url: =Greek Government Press Briefing, 05-09-22\nAqhna, 22 Septembrioy 2005\nO Prwqypoyrgos to apogeyma anaxwrei gia to Parisi, opoy ayrio stis 12.45 qa synanthqei me to Gallo Proedro Zak Sirak. Stis 18.00 qa synanthqei me ton Gallo Prwqypoyrgo Nte Bilpen kai amesws meta anaxwrei gia thn Aqhna.\nO Genikos Grammateas ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas ths Neas Dhmokratias, anakoinwse oti stis 3 Oktwbrioy, hmera enarjhs twn ergasiwn ths Boylhs, qa synedriasei h Koinoboyleytikh Omada ths Neas Dhmokratias.\nQa hqela na ekfrasw ta baqytata syllyphthria ths ellhnikhs Kybernhshs sthn oikogeneia toy apobiwsantos Simon Bizental, o opoios exontas epibiwsei apo ta stratopeda sygkentrwshs toy B` Pagkosmioy Polemoy, eixe afierwsei ektote th zwh toy sthn yphresia ths dikaiosynhs kai toy anqrwpismoy. Oi prospaqeies toy na ferei enwpion ths dikaiosynhs toys ypaitioys twn apexqwn egklhmatwn toy Olokaytwmatos, ton exrisan monimo ekproswpo twn qymatwn kai toy prosedwsan apo to Symboylio ths Eyrwphs, to xarakthrismo ``Stratiwths ths dikaiosynhs, ths eleyqerias kai ths eirhnhs''.\nSIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, askeitai proswpikh politikh edw mesa;\nSIDERHS: Ekfrazete ton Prwqypoyrgo ws eiqistai;\nROYSOPOYLOS: Pali den antilambanomai to erwthma sas.\nSIDERHS: Xqes o k. Meimarakhs, eipe oti o k. Karamanlhs den milhse pote gia ekkaqarish en leitoyrgia ths Olympiakhs. Milhsate mono eseis. Ara ekfrazete ton eayto sas edw mesa; Den milaei o Prwqypoyrgos gia kati tetoio.\nROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton, den akoysa ton k. Meimarakh na kanei tetoia dhlwsh. Deyteron, isxyei ayto poy eipame thn perasmenh Deytera.\nSIDERHS: Oloi ton akoysame.\nROYSOPOYLOS: Kai o,ti allo sas exw pei gia thn Olympiakh Aeroporia.\nSIDERHS: Ma de rwthsa ayto an isxyei h oxi. Rwthsa an ekfrazete proswpikes apoceis opws sas katalogise o k. Meimarakhs.\nBLAXOS: Thlefwnhsate ston k. Meimarakh na ton rwthsete an exei kanei ayth th dhlwsh;\nROYSOPOYLOS: Exw taktikh epikoinwnia kai synergasia me ton k. Meimarakh.\nBLAXOS: Xqes ton phrate thlefwno kai ton rwthsate;\nROYSOPOYLOS: Milame kaqhmerina.\nBLAXOS: Ti sas eipe; Den sas eipe an thn exei kanei h oxi;\nROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa sas pw.\nBLAXOS: Aisqaneste entajei sth qesh sas dhladh; Eiste mia xara meta apo ayth th dhlwsh toy k. Meimarakh;\nROYSOPOYLOS: Mia xara. Den me blepete;\nBLAXOS: To qema einai an sas blepei o k. Meimarakhs mia xara. Ayto einai to qema.\nSPYRAKH: Einai ikanopoihmenos o Prwqypoyrgos apo thn eikona poy paroysiazoyn oi ypoyrgoi ths Kybernhshs toy, na sygkroyontai metajy toys gia zhthmata aixmhs, opws einai h Olympiakh kai apo to anwqen sxolio poy hrqe apo thn pleyra toy k. Mhtsotakh -kai qa to pw komca- gia elleimma politikhs sth diakybernhsh toy topoy;\nROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, gnwrizete thn apanthsh. Oson afora to prwto skelos, qa sas pw oti den yparxoyn dhmosies sygkroyseis ypoyrgwn. Yparxoyn antallages apocewn, oi opoies exoyn ginei se syskeceis twn synarmodiwn ypoyrgwn.\nSOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sthn teleytaia synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, mhpws o Prwqypoyrgos zhthse apo oloys sas na eiste pio synergasimoi; Ekane tetoia ekklhsh -paraklhsh giati ton teleytaio kairo, opws eipe kai h synadelfos k. Spyrakh, (den akoygetai) an yparxei kati apo to reportaz oti einai ejorgismenos o Prwqypoyrgos;\nROYSOPOYLOS: Den parathreitai elleich synergasias. Gia ta osa synebhsan sto teleytaio Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, exw kanei analytikh enhmerwsh. Yparxei kai sxetikh anakoinwsh.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate oti den yparxoyn dhmosies sygkroyseis ypoyrgwn. Yparxoyn mh dhmosies sygkroyseis;\nROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Eipa -kai malista an qymaste synexisa thn apanthsh moy- oti yparxoyn synergasies kat@ idian stis diypoyrgikes epitropes gia to qema ths Olympiakhs, oi opoies exoyn apolyta armoniko apotelesma.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Ekei diafwnoyn dhladh, qelete na mas peite;\nROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Prin kanete thn erwthsh sas, eixa apanthsei hdh s` ayto poy lete.\nKAKALHS: Pote h kybernhsh enhmerwse thn Komision kai thn E.E. gia thn proqesh ths na qesei en ekkaqarish tis Olympiakes Aerogrammes kai thn palia Olympiakh Aeroporia.\nROYSOPOYLOS: Shmera, o ypoyrgos Metaforwn o k. Mixalhs Liaphs einai sthn armodia Epitroph ths Boylhs kai qa apanthsei se oles tis erwthseis, oi opoies exoyn eidiko kai idiaitero endiaferon. Egw o,ti exw na sas pw gia thn Olympiakh, sas to exw pei edw kai polles hmeres.\nTSIODRAS: Se sxesh me thn kybernhtikh apofash, na epitrecei sthn Ekklhsia thn idrysh ekklhsiastikwn sxolwn, mexri twra hjera th syzhthsh poy ginotan, asxetws an symfwnoyse h kybernhsh h oxi, eixe anoijei mia dhmosia syzhthsh gia to diaxwrismo Ekklhsias-Kratoys. Twra blepoyme oti pame sthn entelws antiqeth kateyqynsh. Mallon pros iranopoihsh fainetai oti pame.\nROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw se poia iranopoihsh anafereste. Qa qelate na ginete pio safhs;\nTSIODRAS: Sth dynatothta ths Ekklhsias na exei tis dikes ths ekklhsiastikes sxoles, th stigmh poy yparxoyn Anwtates Qeologikes Sxoles kai sth dynatothta toy Mhtropolith na dinei pistopoihtiko nomimothtas gia na mpei kapoios sth sxolh kai thn iera ejetash poy prepei na pernaei kapoios, prokeimenoy na diapistwqoyn ta qrhskeytika toy fronhmata gia na mpei sth sygkekrimenh sxolh.\nROYSOPOYLOS: Exw na sas pw ta ejhs: Prwton, se ola ta erwthmata, exei apanthsei apo exqes h ypoyrgos Paideias k. Marietta Giannakoy. Deyteron, ayth h fraseologia poy xrhsimopoieite den yparxei oyte sto nomosxedio oyte bebaiws antapokrinetai kai sthn oysia. Triton, se o,ti afora to pistopoihtiko, opws to anaferate -to eggrafo dhladh- einai ena zhthma to opoio qa gnwrizete fantazomai oti isxyei kai shmera kai isxyei epi polla xronia. Kai tetarton, qa hqela na sas pw@\nTSIODRAS: Poy isxyei;\nROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei stis idies sxoles. An den to gnwrizete, diabaste to, isxyei. Kai tetarton, oi sxoles aytes epopteyontai gia to ekpaideytiko toys ergo apo to ypoyrgeio Paideias -opws eipe kai h k. Giannakoy xqes- kai kata ta protypa twn stratiwtikwn sxolwn. Oi sxoles aytes anaptyssontai, anabaqmizontai. Den yparxei loipon kanenos eidoys diaforopoihsh se sxesh me to ti symbainei se alles sxoles apo thn anabaqmish toys, gia na exoyn to kalytero dynato apotelesma.\nTSIODRAS: Qa mas peite, se poia allh dhmokratikh xwra toy kosmoy yparxei; Den ennow to Iran. Yparxoyn sxoles, oi opoies elegxontai apo thn Ekklhsia, prokeimenoy na bgazete.\nROYSOPOYLOS: Ti qa pei na elegxontai; Den katalabainw.\nTSIODRAS: Ma, einai sxoles ths Ekklhsias. Etsi den einai; Yparxoyn oi qeologikes sxoles mexri shmera, poy didaskontai qrhskeytika, qeologia k.lp.\nROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete na sas diabasw ta osa eipwqhkan xqes; Einai para polla.\nPOYLIDOY: Mia erwthsh, se synexeia ayths toy k. Tsiodra.\nROYSOPOYLOS: Mporei na apanthqei h erwthsh sas apo ayta poy qa sas diabasw.\nPOYLIDOY: Den qa apanthqei. Ean einai symbato ayto me ta krithria ths Kopegxaghs, dioti ayta bazoyme apenanti stis antistoixes (den akoygetai)@\nROYSOPOYLOS: Eimai bebaios oti exei ginei h katallhlh proergasia apo to ypoyrgeio Paideias, wste na einai symbato. To nomosxedio afora to synolo ths Orqodojhs Ekklhsiastikhs Ekpaideyshs sthn Ellada kai telei ypo thn epopteia toy kratoys. Sas diabazw to deltioy Typoy toy ypoyrgeioy Paideias: To systhma anabaqmizei me poiotika krithria tis tesseris yparxoyses ekklhsiastikes Sxoles, dhladh twn Aqhnwn, ths Qessalonikhs, ths Ieras Monhs Bella Iwanninwn kai ths Krhths, tis opoies onomazei ``Anwtates Ekklhsiastikes Akadhmies''. Den dhmioyrgoyntai panepisthmia, alla paragwgikes sxoles ths Orqodojhs Ekklhsias sth Ellada, idioy xarakthra me tis paragwgikes sxoles twn Enoplwn Dynamewn. Oi foithtes eisagontai me panellhnies ejetaseis. Meta de thn apofoithsh toys, qa apasxolhqoyn mono se yphresies ths Ekklhsias. Den qa exoyn epaggelmatika dikaiwmata sthn ekpaideysh h opoydhpote alloy. Ayto shmainei oti isxyropoieitai kai anabaqmizetai h Qeologikh Sxolh. H systatikh epistolh apo Mhtropolith problepetai kai shmera kai epi polla xronia gia tis Anwteres Ekklhsiastikes Sxoles. Synepws, sto skelos ayto den allazei tipota. Organwnetai kai leitoyrgei programma ieratikwn spoydwn. Ta ypoloipa programmata spoydwn gia toys alloys tomeis, dhladh dioikhshs kai organwshs ekklhsiastikwn idrymatwn, palaiografias, dioikhtikhs yposthrijhs ierwn Mhtropolewn k.t.l., katonomazontai ep` akribws kai den yparxoyn sta Anwtata Ekpaideytika Idrymata sthn Ellada. Epishs, sto Anwtato Episthmoniko Symboylio orizontai tessera melh apo to ypoyrgeio Paideias, dyo melh apo th Diarkh Iera Synodo, ena melos apo thn Ekklhsia ths Krhths. Sas parapempw sth xqesinh anakoinwsh ths armodias ypoyrgoy k. Giannakoy gia to ti proeblepe to nomosxedio poy afhse pisw toy to PASOK: Ws Proedro se aytoy toy eidoys tis sxoles eixe problecei -kai eixe symfwnhqei me thn Ekklhsia apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh- na einai o Arxiepiskopos Aqhnwn, kati to opoio den isxyei me to nomosxedio poy kataqetei h Nea Dhmokratia. As prosexoyn, loipon, osoi kanoyn kritikh, gia to poy kai an gyrizei ayto to nomosxedio pisw ton topo. Oson afora to kostos, sthn anakoinwsh anaferetai exei mia seira apo ta posa poy xrhsimopoioyntai kai qa xrhsimopoihqoyn. Mporw na sas dwsw ta sxetika stoixeia, meta thn politikh enhmerwsh. Prokeitai gia anagkaia poiotikh anabaqmish kai eksygxronismo twn Anwterwn Ekklhsiastikwn Sxolwn. Oi de apofoitoi twn Qeologikwn Sxolwn twn Panepisthmiwn, diathroyn to dikaiwma toys na katalambanoyn qeseis sthn Ekklhsia. Aytoi qa apotelesoyn, kata kyrio logo, to episthmoniko proswpiko twn Akadhmiwn. Ta epaggelmatika dikaiwmata twn Qeologwn sthn ekpaideysh katoxyrwnontai akomh perissotero, afoy oi apofoitoi twn Akadhmiwn apokleiontai apo thn katalhch opoiasdhpote qeshs ektos ths Ekklhsias. Ayta einai ta kyriotera shmeia toy nomosxedioy. Exw sth diaqesh moy kai th xqesinh synenteyjh ths k. Giannakoy kai bebaiws to nomosxedio, ean qelete na to melethsete. Sas ypenqymizw oti oi apofoitoi aytwn twn sxolwn qa apotelesoyn kyriws to mellontiko klhro. Qa ginoyn iereis.\nTSIODRAS: Eipate oti isxyan ta pistopoihtika. Den to gnwrizw. Profanws exete dikio. Isxyan. Omws, mhpws qa eprepe, anti na ginoyn ws aparaithto systatiko gia tis kainoyrgies sxoles, na katarghqoyn; Gia poio logo o Mhtropoliths me bash pistopoihtiko, qa krinei poios threi@\nROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw kamia antirrhsh na syzhthsoyme gia osh wra qelete to qema. Wstoso, qa hqela na sas pw oti synadelfoi sas apo xqes exoyn kanei aytes akribws tis erwthseis sthn ypoyrgo Paideias, h opoia exei apanthsei se oles. An qelete na moy kanete tis idies erwthseis kai na sas apantw akribws, opws apanthqhkan kai xqes -giati einai safeis oi apanthseis ths k. Giannakoy- den exw kamia antirrhsh na to kanw.\nSIDERHS: Se ayth thn aiqoysa, se dikh moy erwthsh, eixate pei oti den qa yparjei anwtatopoihsh. Ti allaje kai yphrje ayth h anakoloyqh palindromhsei;\nROYSOPOYLOS: Den qymamai kati tetoio.\nSIDERHS: To qymamai, giati sas eixa rwthsei.\nROYSOPOYLOS: Qa to koitajw. Den qymamai. Prepei na dw th diatypwsh ths erwthsh sas kai ti eixa apanthsei.\nSIDERHS: Mhpws k. Ekproswpe joflate grammatia pros th ``Dejia toy Kyrioy'' h mhpws elpizete se mellontikh bohqeia poy qa sas prosdwsei;\nROYSOPOYLOS: Poy to sthrizete ayto;\nKAKALHS: H alhqeia einai oti exete taxqei kata toy diaxwrismoy kratoys-Ekklhsias, alla apo th qesh ayth mexri th qesh toy na emfanizetai h kybernhsh na ikanopoiei pagia aithmata ths Ierarxias, h apostash einai megalh.\nROYSOPOYLOS: Otan h kybernhsh ikanopoiei pagia aithmata twn ergazomenwn, qa mas peite ``mprabo'' h oxi;\nKAKALHS: Peste mas ena gia na sas poyme.\nROYSOPOYLOS: Dhladh, ta pagia aithmata kapoiwn omadwn, otan ikanopoioyntai, einai qetika mono ean einai kapoiwn sygkekrimenwn omadwn kai arnhtika ean einai allwn; Diaxwrizoyme tis omades se mia dhmokratia; Diaxwrizoyme, dhladh, polyariqmes omades anqrwpwn; Sas epanalambanw oti einai sxoles apo tis opoies qa bgainoyn klhrikoi, qa ginontai papades, iereis, kata kyrio logo. Osoi qa apofoitoyn apo aytes tis sxoles qa apasxoloyntai stis yphresies twn Ekklhsiwn. Ara, loipon, kapoia apo ta erwthmata poy exoyn apanthqei apo xqes, aytonohtws apantwntai. Bebaiws, gia kapoion poy epiqymei na einai ypochfios iereas sthn Orqodojh Ekklhsia, qa prepei na gnwrizei h Orqodojh Ekklhsia oti einai kai orqodojos kai den anhkei se allo qrhskeyma. H pistopoihsh ayth, loipon, ginetai apo ton Mhtropolith poy qa epilejei o ypochfios gia na toy dwsei to pistopoihtiko.\nPEPONHS: Mexri twra, aytes oi sxoles htan mesa stoys kolpoys ths Ekklhsias. Ekei epairnan kai ayta ta pistopoihtika poy lete. Twra, tis entassetai sto Panellhnio Ekpaideytiko Systhma. To erwthma moy einai, yparxoyn kai alloi Ellhnes polites poy pisteyoyn se alla dogmata kai se alles qrhskeies. Sas qymizw oti sth Boylh oi moysoylmanoi boyleytes orkizontai sto Korani. Ean aytes oi omades zhthsoyn th dhmioyrgia tetoiwn antistoixwn sxolwn panepisthmiakoy epipedoy, opws einai oi moysoylmanoi h oi kaqolikoi, h kybernhsh qa egkrinei thn idrysh tetoiwn sxolwn;\nROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw oti einai sxoles gia na foitoyn kai na exoyn kalytero pneymatiko epipedo oi ierwmenoi, oi anqrwpoi poy epiqymoyn na ginoyn iereis. Ayto poy lete, apantatai edw kai dekaeties sthn Ellada. Exoyme, hdh, sth xwra mas Qeologikh Sxolh, sthn opoia mporei na spoydasei kapoios kai na maqei ola ta dogmata. Ara, loipon, den antilambanomai th diaforopoihsh me to erwthma poy kanate. Edw, milame gia sxoles apo tis opoies, kata kyrio logo, oi apofoitoi qa einai ierwmenoi. Kai osoi alloi den qa einai ierwmenoi, qa apasxolhqoyn entos toy Organismoy ths Ekklhsias ths Elladas. To ekpaideytiko toys epipedo, loipon -opws symbainei sta dhmosia, sta idiwtika sxoleia h opoydhpote- orizetai apo to Ypoyrgeio Paideias kai qa synexizei na orizetai apo ayto.\nPEPONHS: Kai oi Moysoylmanoi mporei na zhthsoyn mia sxolh panepisthmiakoy epipedoy gia na bgazoyn imamhdes. Qa thn egkrinete;\nROYSOPOYLOS: Me to ``ean'', den qa sas apanthsw. Ean zhthsoyn, qa kriqei apo to Ypoyrgeio Paideias kai ta synarmodia Ypoyrgeia gia to an prepei na ginei ayto. Exoyme, hdh, tesseris sxoles stis opoies anabaqmizontai oi spoydes. Oi apofoitoi twn sxolwn aytwn qa exoyn mia poly isxyroterh gnwsh apo ayth poy eixan, proorizomenoi de, kata kyrio logo, gia ton klhro.\nSPYRAKH: Qelw thn apoch sas, ean h Ellada dinei thn eikona anejiqrhskhs xwras, otan pro kairoy eixe dhmioyrghqei mia terastia syzhthsh gyrw apo to an qa prepei h oxi na yparxei tzami sthn Aqhna. Twra, dhmioyrgoyntai sxoles paragwghs ierwmenwn me kateyqynsh thn Orqodojh Ekklhsia kai aytes anaparagontai. Sthn Ellada katoikoyn Ellhnes polites me diaforetiko qrhskeyma. H eikona poy dinei h xwra pros ta ejw, alla kai sto eswteriko ths, qewreite oti me aytes tis energeies einai h eikona oti ola ta dogmata kai oles oi qrhskeies antimetwpizontai akribws me ton idio tropo apo thn ellhnikh Politeia;\nROYSOPOYLOS: Meta apo polles apanthseis poy edwsa, den blepw to logo -isws na einai lapsus lingue- na xrhsimopoieite to ``twra dhmioyrgoyntai aytes oi sxoles''. Milame gia sxoles poy yparxoyn edw kai dekaeties. Ara, loipon, den dhmioyrgoyntai twra. To na anabaqmizeis, prwton, ena ekpaideytiko Idryma, einai mallon pros thn kateyqynsh toy politismoy, ths dhmokratias, ths kalyterhs enhmerwshs, ths plhroforhshs, ths anabaqmishs toy episthmonikoy kyroys. Prokeitai gia anabaqmish toy epaggelmatikoy kyroys kai oxi pros thn antiqeth kateyqynsh, opws anaferate eseis prohgoymenws. Deyteron, den yparxei zhthma apagoreyshs ths anejiqrhskias. Alimono! Opoios qelei, pisteyei opoy qelei. Triton -kai ejisoy shmantiko qa moy epitrecete na pw- para polles antistoixes sxoles yparxoyn ana ton kosmo stoys kolpoys ths Kaqolikhs Ekklhsias. Antistoixes sxoles yparxoyn stoys kolpoys allwn dogmatwn, allwn Ekklhsiwn. Den antilambanomai, loipon, giati aifnhs dhmioyrgeitai h entypwsh oti kati anaxronistiko symbainei, otan anabaqmizoyme ena ekpaideytiko systhma. Den qeloyme toys ierwmenoys, toys papades, toys iereis, na exoyn pio anabaqmismeno epipedo spoydwn;\nPOYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sygnwmh, thn O.A. den thn anabaqmisate, thn eixate anaxronistikh, problhmatikh kai mphkate sth diadikasia ekkaqarishs h kleisimatos. Pws lete oti otan blepete enan qesmo, o opoios leitoyrgei, epi xronia, einai ypoxrewtiko na ton anabaqmisete; Yparxei kai h epilogh na ton kleisete.\nROYSOPOYLOS: Den antilambanomai ti lete. Na apagoreysoyme stis sxoles na didaskoyn;\nPOYLIDOY: Kai egw den antilambanomai ayto poy lete. Den einai ypoxrewtikh epilogh na thn anabaqmisete. Yparxoyn polles epiloges.\nROYSOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti exoyme diaforetikh proseggish sto ti shmainei dhmokratia. Dhmokratia shmainei oti epitrepoyme na didasketai sta panepisthmia o,ti h kaqe episthmh didaskei. Alimono ean kleisoyme sxoles. To antiqeto qa perimena na moy peite. Ean kleiname kapoia sxolh qa perimena na akoysw kritikh.\nSOYGLERHS: Ean katalabainw kala milate gia aneparkeia, gia eksygxronismo. Poy akribws einai h dikleida ayths ths prwtoboylias poy phre to ypoyrgeio na kanei aytes tis allages;\nROYSOPOYLOS: Den katalabainw ti ennoeite ``aneparkeia''. Sas milw gia anabaqmish ths parexomenhs ekpaideyshs. Opoy, loipon, yparxei anabaqmish ths parexomenhs ekpaideyshs, mallon epi ta beltiw einai gia th xwra, ton politismo, th dhmokratia.\nMPOTSARAKOS: Qewreite oti mexri shmera h politikh ths kybernhshs ston tomea ths oikonomias kai twn metarryqmisewn einai eparkhs h h kybernhsh qewrei oti prepei na kanei kai alla bhmata;\nROYSOPOYLOS: Ayth h erwthsh exei teqei, polles fores, me allon tropo. Thn exw apanthsei me ton idio panta tropo: O exqros toy kaloy einai to kalytero kai h prospaqeia -eidika sthn katastash ths oikonomia poy paralabame- einai synexhs. Kai qa einai synexhs.\nKAKALHS: Den arkei sthn kybernhsh oti qa parakoloyqoyntai oles oi thlefwnikes syndialejeis kai h epikoinwnia mesw toy diadiktyoy, opws apofasise xqes h Komision, qelei na parakoloyqei me tis kameres kai tis diadhlwseis kai tis politikes sygkentrwseis; Mporeite na mas peite poios einai o logos poy o k. Boylgarakhs prosfeygei sto StE gia na parakoloyqoyntai oi diadhlwseis;\nROYSOPOYLOS: Einai dyo diaforetika qemata. Kai bebaiws o tropos ekforas ths erwthshs -den thn krinw thn erwthsh kai kamia fora epitrecete moy na anaferomai sta osa lete, giati bohqa ton kalytero dialogo- yponoei kati. H kybernhsh ofeilei na prostateysei. Ofeilei na leitoyrghsei sto plaisio twn nomwn. Sto plaisio twn nomwn prosefyge to ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs. Den paranomhse. Otan enas poliths exei to dikaiwma na prosfygei sto Anwtato Dikasthrio, giati ayto to dikaiwma prepei na afaireqei apo ena ypoyrgeio; Oson afora to deytero skelos toy erwthmatos sas: Einai zhthmata ta opoia -ean qymaste- ta exoyme janasyzhthsei. Zhthmata poy aforoyn synedriaseis Symboyliwn sthn E.E. Toylaxiston dyo Symboylia exoyn ginei toys teleytaioys eji mhnes. Ekei h kybernhsh eixe ekfrasei epifylajeis. Sas qymizw oti den katelhje sto pro ejamhnoy symboylio, poy eixan metasxei o ypoyrgos Dhmosias Tajhs kai o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, para sthn eishghsh na asxolhqei h Komision me to qema. H Eyrwpaikh Epitroph se synergasia me to Eyrwkoinoboylio proxwra se seira protasewn. Aytes oi protaseis -den syzhthqhkan prosfata sto Nioykastl, epishs, sth synanthsh twn armodiwn ypoyrgwn- qa syzhthqoyn sto epomeno Symboylio. Emeis exoyme ekfrasei epifylajeis. Sas qymizw oti eimaste h monh h mia apo tis dyo xwres poy exoyn ekfrasei epifylajeis gia kapoies apo tis protaseis poy akoysthkan. H anagkh na antimetwpistoyn zhthmata tromokratias einai pagkosmia. Wstoso, opws eipan kai o k. Boylgarakhs kai o k. Papalhgoyras, qa prepei na ejetasoyme me diaforetiko prisma kaqe xwra analoga me toys nomoys, to Syntagma, tis epitropes prostasias anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn, tis anejarthtes arxes Ayth h syzhthsh den exei katalhjei, synexizetai. Meta thn Komision qa ginei jana syzhthsh sto Symboylio ypoyrgwn.\nKAKALHS: Parola ayta den katalabainw arage giati (gia logoys katapolemhshs ths tromokratias;) qa prepei na parakoloyqoyntai oi diadhlwseis me kameres; Yponoeite oti mesa ekei yparxoyn tromokrates h egklhmatika, kakopoia stoixeia;\nROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Gnwrizete oti yparxoyn logoi dhmosias asfaleias, logoi diaxeirishs ths kykloforias. To ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajhs exei epikalestei mia seira apo logoys, oi opoioi einai entos toy plaisioy toy nomoy.\nMPALHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, xqes eide to fws ths dhmosiothtas mia epistolh, apo to 2004 ean den kanw laqos, toy prwhn G.G. toy ypoyrgeioy Metaforwn pros ton armodio Epitropo gia thn proqesh ths kybernhshs gia to mellon ths O.A. Symfwna me ayth thn epistolh yphrxe ena sxedio na teqei ypo ekkaqarish h etaireia afoy prwta proxwrhsei h diadikasia idiwtikopoihshs kai kapoia parallhlh prospaqeia na poylhqoyn kapoia kommatia ths O.A. Ayto to sxedio, ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs, eseis pws to krinete;\nROYSOPOYLOS: Eida ki egw thn apokalych poy ekane o synadelfos sas, o k. Xatzhnikolaoy. Ekeino poy qelw na pw einai oti anadeiknyei ayto to eggrafo thn ypokrisia toy PASOK. O ekproswpos toy PASOK epanalambanei diarkws ceydh gia thn kybernhsh. Ofeiloyn kai o ekproswpos kai o arxhgos toy PASOK na apanthsoyn pws einai dynaton na kathgoroyn thn kybernhsh, h opoia dia toy ekproswpoy ths apo ayto to bhma, thn perasmenh Deytera, milhse gia aorata senaria, apo to prwto ews to teleytaio. Ofeilei, loipon, na apanthsei to PASOK pws einai dynaton na eixe hdh proteinei to teleytaio senario, prin kan proxwrhsei sta prwta bhmata ths idiwtikopoihshs kai shmera erxetai na kanei ton timhth. Einai ekqeto to PASOK meta apo ayth thn apokalych.\nBLAXOS: Mhpws protiqeste na apanthsete kai sto erwthma, to opoio opws exw katalabei kaqe hmera sta apeyqynei o ekproswpos toy PASOK o k. Aqanasakhs gia ton k. Papagewrgioy;\nROYSOPOYLOS: Exw apanthsei dyo fores se dikh sas erwthsh.\nBLAXOS: Epeidh plhroforhqhka apo synadelfo poy kanei reportaz toy PASOK oti kai xqes o k. Aqanasakhs epemeine.\nROYSOPOYLOS: Eyxaristws na epanalabw oxi ayta poy eipa se esas, alla ayta poy eipa xqes me aformh genikotera qemata. Epanalambanw kai shmera me kathgorhmatiko tropo: Den einai oyte prosklhsh, oyte paraklhsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Einai entolh. Opoio stelexos ths kybernhshs h toy eyryteroy kybernhtikoy sxhmatos exei thn opoiadhpote yponoia gia kakodiaxeirish, na prosfeygei sth dikaiosynh. Opoios den to kanei, leei aplws logia toy aera.\nKAKALHS: Mporeite na mas ejhghsete pws enamish xrono meta tis ekloges h kybernhsh den exei poio prwtotypes idees apo aytes toy k. Berelh kai akoloyqei akribws idia politikh me thn politikh poy eixe proteinei kai o Berelhs;\nROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti adikeite tis syzhthseis poy exoyme kanei. Exw janapei kai dhmosiws kai stis syzhthseis poy kaname, oti aneptyja ta senaria ta opoia qa prepei na exei kaneis ypoch toy otan jekina mia diadikasia. Ean kapoioi estiasan sto A` h sto B` senario ayto einai diko toys qema. H kybernhsh, apo thn prwth stigmh, milhse gia ola ta endexomena.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eipate opoio melos ths kybernhshs h allo stelexos na phgainei sth dikaiosynh. Aytoi oi syndikalistes apo thn Patra esteilan to qema sth dikaiosynh, alla xqes toys diagracate gia ena xrono, eji mhnes k.l.p. H ypoqesh einai ston eisaggelea. Einai anwtero to peiqarxiko ths N.D. apo th dikaiosynh;\nROYSOPOYLOS: Kanate dyo laqh sthn erwthsh sas, pisteyw kaloproaireta h apo agnoia ths leitoyrgias orismenwn organwsewn. Se o,ti afora to ``toys diagracate'' poy eipate, h kybernhsh den diegrace kanenan, oyte h N.D. diegrace kanenan. To deytero afora sto ``komma''. Oyte to komma diegrace kapoion. Yparxei syndikalistikh organwsh, h opoia leitoyrgei me toys dikoys ths kanones kai ayth h syndikalistikh organwsh apofasise. Opote, de, moy apeyqynate erwthseis gia qemata poy aforoyn syndikalistikh organwsh, eite gia th DAKE, eite gia opoiadhpote allh, h pagia apanthsh moy einai oti h syndikalistikh organwsh exei toys dikoys ths kanones leitoyrgias, exei ton tropo na ekfrazetai. Parakalw na apeyqynete thn erwthsh sas ekei.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, anwterh apo eisaggelea kai apo th dikaiosynh einai h DAKE twra;\nROYSOPOYLOS: Ti sxesh exei ayto;\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Gia na toys diagrafei. Proswrinh diagrafh gia ena xrono.\nROYSOPOYLOS: Epimenete na rwtate ton ekproswpo ths kybernhshs gia ena qema poy afora mia syndikalistikh organwsh. H kybernhsh, opws ofeile, eipe kai epanelabe kati poly sygkekrimeno. Mhn to epanalabw gia trith fora, nomizw oti egine katanohto.\nBLAXOS: Otan prohgoymenws eipate gia ``logia toy aera'' opoios den paei sto eisaggelea, profanws fwtografisate ton k. Papagewrgioy.\nROYSOPOYLOS: Eipa ti isxyei genikws kai to aneptyja.\nBLAXOS: To katalaba.\nROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, genikws kai oxi aoristws, ti isxyei. Genikws kai eidikws. H genikh kai pagia entolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai ayth, poy sas eipa. Perilambanei oloys osoi metexoyn sto kybernhtiko h sto eyrytero kybernhtiko sxhma.\nBLAXOS: Na symperanw, loipon, oti h qesh toy k. Papagewrgioy einai sto aera;\nBLAXOS: Otan kapoios leei ``logia toy aera''.\nROYSOPOYLOS: Einai san na pianeste apo thn erwthsh toy k. Stamatopoyloy kai na prospaqeite na dwsete synexeia me diaforetiko tropo. O Prwqypoyrgos eipe kati poly sygkekrimeno: Opoios exei opoiodhpote stoixeio ofeilei na paei sth dikaiosynh kai na to kataqesei.\nSPYRAKH: Qelw mia apanthsh se ayto poy leei to PASOK se sxesh me thn apokalych poy egine xqes apo ton ALPHA. Sto eggrafo poy paroysiase o k. Xatzhnikolaoy emfanizetai h tote kybernhsh na leei stis yphresies ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs oti meta thn idiwtikopoihsh twn Olympiakwn Aerogrammwn, qa proxwrhsei sthn ekkaqarish ths O.A. Pisteyete oti ayth h diatypwsh einai diaforetikh apo thn diatypwsh ths ekkaqarishs en leitoyrgia, thn opoia ekane epishmws h kybernhsh, apo esas;\nROYSOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na janadiabasete th dikh moy dhlwsh prosektika kai nomizw oti qa sas dwsei apanthsh. Se kaqe periptwsh ekeino to opoio egw anadeiknyw shmera einai h diglwssia toy PASOK. Oxi gia prwth fora bebaia, mas exei synhqisei.\nMPOTSARAKOS: Eipate oti einai logia toy aera, ean kapoios exei stoixeia kai den ta phgainei sto eisaggelea, aplws ta leei, einai logia toy aera. Oloi jeroyme, ki eseis gnwrizete, oti o k. Papagewrgioy se kapoia efhmerida, prin liges hmeres, afhse sygkekrimenoys ypainigmoys. Leei, loipon, logia toy aera afoy den exei paei stoixeia sto eisaggelea. Kai pws ginetai na paramenei sto eyrytero kybernhtiko sxhma, sthn krisimh qesh ths O.A. paroti den exei paei ta stoixeia ston eisaggelea h den exei anakalesei toys ypainigmoys poy ekane;\nROYSOPOYLOS: Qa janapw, loipon, ayto poy eipa kai ston k. Blaxo: Epi toy sygkekrimenoy apanthsa dyo fores. Exw dwsei kai ermhneia. Parakalw diabaste ayto poy sas exw pei kai qa deite oti den qa xreiazotan na ypoballate thn erwthsh sas.\nkyber2html v1.05c run on Thursday, 22 September 2005 - 14:05:14 UTC


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url: = Anqrwpos phdaei apo to Diasthma sth Gh!\n H episkech ths Agg. Merkel se fwtografies\n "H Merkel aplws eyxhqhke paramonh ths Elladas sto eyrw"\n "Megalo politiko fiasko"\n KKE: Palh gia apodesmeysh apo thn EE\n PASOK: Poly qetikh h episkech Merkel\n Apergoyn stis 17 Oktwbrioy dikhgoroi, symbolaiografoi, giatroi, farmakopoioi kai dikastikoi epimelhtes\n Anoijan oi dromoi sto kentro ths Aqhnas\n "Isopaloi" me 45% Ompama kai Romnei\nO Aystriakos latrhs ths peripeteias Felij Mpaoymgkarten prokeitai na pragmatopoihsei eleyqerh ptwsh, kairoy epitrepontos, apo ena aerostato poy qa iptatai sta oria ths stratosfairas panw apo to Neo Mejiko stis HPA, me stoxo na spasei to fragma toy hxoy kai thn pagkosmia epidosh sthn eleyqerh ptwsh apo ycos.\nO 43xronos kybernhths elikopteroy, xeirisths aerostatoy kai epaggelmatias sthn eleyqerh ptwsh me alejiptwto, qa ginei o prwtos anqrwpos poy qa pragmatopoihsei to egxeirhma ayto apo thn stratosfaira, ena strwma toy opoioy h xamhlh pyknothta prosomoiazei perissotero me to keno toy diasthmatos, para me thn pyknh se ojygono ghinh atmosfaira.\nOi metewrologikes synqhkes kaqysteroysan shmera to prwi thn apogeiwsh toy gemismenoy me hlion aerostatoy, poy qa anycwne sta 36.576 m (120.000 podia) ton qalamisko apo ton opoio qa kanei thn eleyqerh ptwsh o Mpaoymgkarten, anakoinwsan oi organwtes.\nArxika, h apogeiwsh eixe programmatisqei gia tis 15:00, wra Elladas, alla stis 17:00, wra Elladas, to aerostato ejakoloyqoyse na paramenei sto edafos, anakoinwsh h etaireia Red Bull Stratos sthn istoselida ths.\nTo egxeirhma, poy arxika proorizotan na pragmatopoihqei xqes, anablhqhke kata mia hmera eneka twn xamhlwn qermokrasiwn kai twn isxyrwn anemwn poy epikratoysan sthn perioxh toy Rozgoyel, opoy qa eteleito h eleyqerh ptwsh.\nH anycwsh toy aerostatoy sto epiqymhto ycos anamenetai na diarkesei dyo, h treis, wres, enw h ptwsh den prokeitai na diarkesei synolika panw apo 20 lepta ths wras.\nO Aystriakos proetoimazotan epi pente xronia gia thn ptwsh, kata thn opoia qa fora mia eidikh stolh atmosfairikhs sympieshs kai qa pragmatopoiei epi 5? eleyqerh ptwsh protoy anoijei to alejiptwto toy sta 1.500 m. Ean katorqwsei na spasei to fragma toy hxoy, ta 1.277,6 m./wra, o Felij Mpaoymgkarten qa kineitai toso grhgora oso mia sfaira apo pistoli.\nO megalyteros kindynos poy mporei na antimetwpisei kata th diarkeia toy ricokindynoy egxeirhmatos toy o Mpaoymgkarten einai na apolesei ton elegxo twn xeirismwn toy kai na arxisei na peristrefetai h na xasei tis aisqhseis toy.\nOi diorganwtes, poy exoyn qesei se etoimothta mia omada 100 anqrwpwn, anamenoyn?pera apo tis pagkosmies epidoseis poy qa katarricei o Mpaoymgkarten?h ptwsh ayth na symbalei stis ereynes ths iatrikhs se sxesh me thn aeronaytikh drasthriothta.\nH eleyqerh ptwsh qa anametadoqei ap? eyqeias apo thn istoselida ths apostolhs www.redbullstratos.com, xaris se 35 kameres sto edafos kai ston aera, orismenes ek twn opoiwn qa briskontai prosarthmenes sth stolh toy idioy toy Mpaoymgkarten.\nDeite to fwtografiko afierwma toy AMPE sthn episkech ths Agg. Merkel sthn Aqhna.\n``Apo tis dhlwseis ths kas Merkel kai toy k. Samara to mono apto kai kaqaro symperasma poy ajizei na krathsei kaneis einai oti h ka Merkel aplws eyxhqhke paramonh ths Elladas sto eyrw'', dhlwse o ekproswpos twn Anejarthtwn Ellhnwn Xrhstos Zwhs, sxoliazontas tis dhlwseis toy prwqypoyrgoy kai ths Kagkelarioy ths Germanias.\nSymfwna me ton ekproswpo twn Anejarthtwn Ellhnwn, h k. Merkel parepemce ``me peisma sthn ylopoihsh enos programmatos gia to opoio oloi synomologoyn oti den bgainei kai einai epwdyno kai yfesiako, o de k. Samaras aifnidiasmenos apo thn sxetikh erwthsh protimhse na thn prosperasei kai na anaferqei sthn yfesh kai sthn anergia''.\nGia ``megalo politiko fiasko'' ekane logo o epikefalhs toy SYRIZA, Alejhs Tsipras, sxoliazontas ta apotelesmata ths episkechs ths Aggela Merkel sthn Aqhna, milwntas apoce sta egkainia toy pararthmatos Elladas toy Idrymatos Roza Loyjempoyrgk.\nSe ektenh anafora sthn episkech Merkel, o k. Tsipras anefere oti den eixe tipota kainoyrgio na komisei, peran ths epibebaiwshs toy adiejodoy kai ths epimonhs ths sto laqos. H episkech ths sthn Aqhna ``apodeixthke ena megalo politiko fiasko'' epishmane o k. Tsipras kai symplhrwse: ``Hrqe mono kai mono gia na sthrijei thn etoimorroph kybernhsh kai to katastrofiko mnhmonio, ta nea metra twn 13,5 dis., ta opoia an efarmostoyn qa boyliajoyn akoma perissotero thn Ellada kai qa apostaqeropoihsoyn akoma perissotero thn Eyrwph''.\n``Oi dhlwseis ths kagkelarioy ths Germanias kai toy prwqypoyrgoy apokalyptoyn pws oloi aytoi poy isxyrizontai, oti ftaiei mono h troika, apoprosanatolizoyn to lao giati kryboyn tis eyqynes kai thn tajikh strathgikh ths EE, toy DNT kai ths EKT. H Merkel epanelabe kynika o,ti kai h troika kai oi alloi hgetes ths EE: Oti prepei o laos na apodextei tis agries qysies poy ton katadikazoyn sth ftwxeia kai sthn ejaqliwsh'' epishmainei to KKE me anakoinwsh toy Grafeioy Typoy ths KE toy.\n``Oi ergazomenoi, ta ftwxa laika strwmata prepei na jemperdeyoyn me ta dilhmmata kai tis aytapates. H palh gia katarghsh twn mnhmoniwn syndeetai anapospasta me thn palh gia apodesmeysh apo thn EE. Osoi to kryboyn lene sto lao cemata'' katalhgei h anakoinwsh toy KKE.\nPoly qetiko xarakthrizei to PASOK kai mono to gegonos ths episkechs ths Germanidas kagkelarioy Agkela Merkel sthn Aqhna, symfwna me phges ths Ippokratoys.\nOi idies phges, elleicei epishmhs enhmerwshs, htan sygkrathmenes, anaferontas oti to PASOK perimenei thn enhmerwsh ayth apo ton prwqypoyrgo gia th synanthsh kai tis synomilies toy me thn ka Merkel, alla kai apo to oikonomiko epiteleio gia th xqesinh synedriash toy Eurogroup.\nSe panelladikh apergia katerxontai stis 17 Oktwbrioy 2012, dikhgoroi, symbolaiografoi, iatroi, farmakopoioi kai dikastikoi epimelhtes, se endeijh diamartyrias gia ta prowqoymena kybernhtika metra poy plhttoyn toys kladoys toys, enw thn idia hmera qa pragmatopoihsoyn sygkentrwsh kai poreia diamartyrias pros to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn.\nAnoije to kentro ths Aqhnas. Toso oi dromoi perij toy megaroy toy koinoboylioy, oso kai oi ypoloipes odoi kai lewforoi ths prwteyoysas, poy eixan kleisei apo nwris gia thn asfalh eleysh kai metakinhsh ths Germanidas kagkelarioy, Agkela Merkel, exoyn doqei sthn kykloforia.\nWstoso, dynameis twn MAT paramenoyn prolhptika ejw apo th Boylh.\nO Mit Romnei, o Repoymplikanos ypochfios gia thn proedria twn HPA, exei kleisei entelws th diafora poy ton xwrize apo ton aperxomeno proedro Mparak Ompama, epibebaiwnei dhmoskophsh toy institoytoy Ipsos kai toy praktoreioy eidhsewn Roiters poy doqhke shmera sth dhmosiothta.\nTesseris ebdomades prin apo tis proedrikes ekloges oi dyo ypochfioi lambanoyn pososto 45% metajy twn atomwn poy einai piqano na proselqoyn kai na chfisoyn stis 6 Noembrioy.\nO Ompama diathroyse staqera to probadisma olo ton Septembrio alla o Romnei periorise th diafora meta thn prwth thleoptikh anametrhsh toys, thn perasmenh ebdomada. Symfwna me th dhmoskophsh, h apoch twn chfoforwn gia ton Repoymplikano politiko beltiwqhke meta apo aythn thn emfanish toy.\nana2html v2.01 run on Tuesday, 9 October 2012 - 16:30:46 UTC


url: =Greek Government Press Briefing, 02-11-11\nAqhna, 11 Noembrioy 2002\nMeta th lhjh ths syskechs poy egine to prwi, sto Megaro Majimoy, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy, yphrje enhmerwsh pros ta radiothleoptika Mesa apo ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn Giwrgo Papandreoy. Ean xreiastei, qa epanalabw orismena apo ta qemata sta opoia anaferqhke o k. Papandreoy. Yphrje, epishs, mia syskech, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy, me thn paroysia toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn, toy ypoyrgoy Anaplhrwth Ejwterikwn Tasoy Giannitsh, toy ypofainomenoy, toy dieyqynth toy Diplwmatikoy Grafeioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy Q. Swthropoyloy, toy symboyloy toy N. Qemelh, toy ekproswpoy toy YPEJ P. Mpeglith kai toy kaqhghth G. Papadhmhtrioy. Kata th diarkeia ths syskechs, egine mia teleytaia proetoimastikh anafora panw sta zhthmata poy syndeontai me to meizon qema ths epilyshs toy politikoy problhmatos ths Kyproy, oson afora, bebaiws, tis qeseis ths ellhnikhs pleyras, giati to keimeno, opws gnwrizete, sto opoio qa klhqoyme na topoqethqoyme qa doqei stis 5 m.m. Sthn Kypriakh Dhmokratia qa doqei apo ton eidiko apestalmeno toy G.G., toy OHE k. Albaro nte Soto, stoys de ypoloipoys, metajy twn opoiwn kai se mas, qa doqei apo ton OHE, sth Nea Yorkh. Dhladh, qa mas erqei mesw Neas Yorkhs.\nEpishs, yphrje makra thlefwnikh epikoinwnia toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Proedro ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias Glayko Klhridh, kata thn opoia syzhthqhkan ta megala qemata poy syndeontai me thn epilysh toy kypriakoy problhmatos kai diapistwqhke h plhrhs synantilhch, gia mia akomh fora, ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias kai ths Elladas. Yphrje synantilhch se ayta ta megala qemata kai sthn oysia toys.\nEpishs, yphrje epafh toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn Giwrgoy Papandreoy me ton k. Albaro nte Soto, o opoios dierxomenos apo to aerodromio Aqhnwn, milhse me ton k. Papandreoy, kyriws gia diadikastika qemata.\nTo brady stis 7 m.m., afoy paralhfqei to keimeno, qa yparjei mia nea syskech, me eyreia synqesh, sto Megaro Majimoy kai sth synexeia -sto diasthma 8-8:30 m.m.- o Prwqypoyrgos qa kanei mia prwth dhlwsh, opoy qa yparxei mia arxikh, qa elega, proseggish toy keimenoy. Ej oswn gnwrizw, analogh dhlwsh qa ginei kai apo ton Proedro Klhridh.\nTo brady, epishs, qa eimaste se qesh na sas poyme gia to poio xronodiagramma energeiwn qa yparjei. Bebaiws, gnwrizete oti gia ola ayta ta zhthmata, ton prwto logo ton exei pantote h Kypriakh Dhmokratia. Apo kei kai pera, me bash tis synennohseis poy qa yparjoyn, qa ginontai synexeis epikoinwnies toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Proedro Klhridh kai qa kaqoristei, telikws kai to xronodiagramma twn energeiwn apo thn ellhnikh pleyra. Einai safes oti to keimeno qa doqei ston Proedro ths Dhmokratias apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo. Qa ginei synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy. Qa doqei, kat arxas, apo ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn stoys politikoys arxhgoys, ennow ws paradosh toy keimenoy kai qa prosdioristoyn kai oi synanthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys politikoys arxhgoys, prokeimenoy na yparjei, molis einai etoimoi, syzhthsh kai epi toy keimenoy. Gia opoies alles kinhseis xreiastei na ginoyn, qa enhmerwqeite. Einai poly piqanon na yparjei kai episkech toy Proedroy Klhridh sthn Aqhna, gia synanthsh ergasias me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Ean telikws prosdioristei ayth h synanthsh, qa enhmerwqeite gia thn hmera kai thn wra. Ayto einai to xronodiagramma twn energeiwn, xwris na mporw na pw, giati ton prwto logo prepei na ton exei h Kypriakh Dhmokratia, gia to pote qa ginei to kaqena apo ayta. To brady qa eimaste se qesh na sas ta anakoinwsoyme, meta th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy.\nQelw, epishs, na pw oti eimaste etoimoi na enisxysoyme th syzhthsh, dioti o prwtos logos anhkei pantote sthn Kypriakh Dhmokratia, alla qa sthrijoyme energa tis prospaqeies ths. Eimaste, loipon, etoimoi gia mia syzhthsh kai mia diapragmateysh, h opoia qa prepei na ginei xwris xronodiagramma kai me epidiwjh thn ejeyresh mias lyshs poy qa dwsei ena telos se ena problhma poy apasxolei gia peripoy treis dekaeties ton ellhniko lao kai bebaiws thn Kypro,. Bebaiws kai thn allh pleyra kai poy apotelei genikotero paragonta apostaqeropoihshs sthn perioxh. Qeloyme na yparjei mia lysh dikaih, biwsimh, leitoyrgikh kai apolyta symbath me to eyrwpaiko kekthmeno.\nEimaste merikes wres prin apo thn kataqesh toy keimenoy. Xreiazetai nhfaliothta, synesh kai apofasistikothta, prokeimenoy na kataqesoyme th dikh mas symbolh sthn ejeyresh mias lyshs poy qa anoijei, qa elega, mia nea selida, mia nea epoxh.\nKWNSTANTINIDHS: Liges wres prin paradoqei to sxedio Anan gia to Kypriako, yparxei h aisqhsh oti anaptyssetai enas entonos problhmatismos sthn ellhnikh, alla kai sthn kypriakh kybernhsh kai dierwtwmai gnwrizete kati apo to sxedio; Syzhthsate kati epi toy sxedioy, dioti an den yparxei kati tetoio, dierwtwmai ti syzhtage o Prwqypoyrgos treis wres me ton k. Papandreoy. An pali, exete meros toy sxedioy, einai pragmati arnhtiko gia thn ellhnikh pleyra, opws metadidetai synexws ta teleytaia 24wra apo ta MME; Epishs, epeidh ta pragmata einai poly epikindyna kai xreiazetai enothta kai eqnikh omocyxia, opws eipate, yparxei ayth thn wra ston ellhnismo;\nPRWTOPAPAS: H enothta prepei na yparxei kai prepei na kataktatai. H enothta apaitei synesh, nhfaliothta stis dhlwseis kai tis kinhseis mas, apofasistikothta gia thn katakthsh toy stoxoy. Kai stoxos einai mia dikaih, biwsimh kai leitoyrgikh lysh toy problhmatos. Ayto prepei na exoyme oloi sto myalo mas, oti qa anoijei mia nea epoxh, mia nea selida sthn perioxh gia toys laoys ths Elladas kai ths Kyproy. Ekeino poy qelw na tonisw einai oti bebaiws sxedio den yparxei kai kaneis den mporei na syzhthsei epi enos sxedioy poy den gnwrizei. Ayto, omws, poy mporoyme na kanoyme -kai to kanoyme pantote se synennohsh me thn kypriakh pleyra- einai h proetoimasia sta megala problhmata. Oloi gnwrizoyme oti yparxoyn problhmata, opws gia paradeigma to syntagmatiko, ayto poy exei na kanei me to zhthma ths eniaias kyriarxias, me thn iqageneia, me to edafiko, me ta qemata asfaleias k.t.l. Se ola ayta prepei na eisai etoimos, oxi apla kai mono gia na anaptyjeis mia qesh, alla ayth h qesh na brisketai se synantilhch me th qesh poy qa ekfrasei h Kypriakh Dhmokratia. Prepei na exeis melethsei poly prosektika tis kata kairoys protaseis poy exei ypoballei o OHE, na exeis melethsei tis antidraseis poy mporei na yparjoyn apo thn toyrkokypriakh pleyra kai na exeis anaptyjei oles ekeines tis apanthseis, ta senaria, tis parembaseis, oi opoies qa xreiastoyn, kata th diarkeia mias diapragmateyshs, prokeimenoy na fqaseis ston epiqymhto stoxo. Otan, loipon, jereis ti qa syzhthqei, oxi poio qa einai to sxedio, poia kefalaia qa exei to sxedio kai ti kata kairoys exei pei o OHE kai h toyrkokypriakh pleyra gi` ayta, tote mporeis na anaptyjeis ta dika soy senaria, tis dikes soy protaseis kai an qes th dikh soy diapragmateytikh qesh, h opoia prepei na einai se synantilhch me thn Kypriakh Dhmokratia. Ayto syzhthqhke kai xqes kai shmera, opws kai toses meres. Exei ginei mia poly kalh, sobarh kai ypeyqynh proetoimasia kai ayto einai poly logiko.\nKWNSTANTINIDHS: Yparxei h aisqhsh sthn Kypro oti odhgoymaste se katarghsh ths apofashs toy Elsinki. Oti, dhladh, qa fqasoyme na katarghqei pleon ekeinh h perifhmh oyra, h "9 B", h opoia leei oti h entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E. telikws qa ginei efoson yparxoyn ta dedomena ths stigmhs ekeinhs poy shmainei kypriakh lysh kai epeidh ta periqwria einai poly stena, mhpws sto telos breqoyme ekteqeimenoi kai mas baloyn pro dilhmmatos h to ena h to allo. Einai etoimh h kypriakh kai h ellhnikh kybernhsh na apodexqoyn kai na aporricoyn ta kakws keimena;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Den fainetai kati tetoio ws piqano ston orizonta, mexri ayth th stigmh poy milame. Eyxomai pragmati kati tetoio na mhn perilambanetai kai den prepei na perilambanetai sto keimeno. Epanalambanw, omws, oti ayth th stigmh poy milame kati tetoio den fainetai dynato. Den einai dynato na ginei mia diapragmateysh se toso lepta kai shmantika zhthmata me thn epiklhsh kapoias xronikhs stigmhs poy einai poly konta, oyte na teqoyn tetoia apagoreytika xronodiagrammata. Liges wres ypomonh kai qa to epibebaiwsoyme ayto. H antilhch toy "h to pairneis h to afhneis", den mporei na dwsei peistikes apanthseis se ena toso sobaro problhma poy ekkremei gia 28 xronia. Xreiazetai o dialogos, h diapragmateysh kai na antimetwpistoyn zhthmata.\nFILHS: Apo osa eipate, nomimopoioymai, apo o,ti katalaba, na pisteyw oti h kybernhsh kat` arxas, me bash tis plhrofories poy exei, qewrei ws bash twn diapragmateysewn, me opoies dynates allages ginoyn, to keimeno poy gnwrizei peripoy kai to opoio qa doqei to apogeyma apo ton OHE;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Prwton, den to gnwrizoyme oyte peripoy, oyte mporoyme na eimaste bebaioi gia to ti keimeno qa doqei. Deyteron, gia na qewrhseis ena keimeno, ws bash diapragmateyshs, prepei na to deis. Ara, ligh ypomonh mexri tis 20.00 gia na apanthsoyme stis erwthseis sas.\nFILHS: Den moy apanthsate an yparxoyn synqhkes eqnikhs synennohshs gia to Kypriako.\nPRWTOPAPAS: Kata th gnwmh moy, yparxoyn synqhkes, arkei na epikrathsei aisqhma eyqynhs apo oles tis pleyres.\nFILHS: Se sxesh, twra, me to kybernwn komma poy ephreazei amesa th bash ths kybernhtikhs politikhs, exoyn diatypwqei apoceis kai apo ton k. Arsenh oti prepei na aporrifqei to sxedio Anan kai o Prwqypoyrgos na mhn epitrecei, sth Synodo Koryfhs ths Kopegxaghs, na symperilhfqei sta Symperasmata, protroph twn "15" gia synexish twn diapragmateysewn basei toy sxedioy Anan. Problepetai kapoia topoqethsh ek meroys ths kybernhshs kai kapoia diadikasia ek meroys toy PASOK gia na yparxei mia synennohsh sto kybernwn komma gia to Kypriako;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws, qa yparjei kai einai logiko. H kybernhsh qa apanthsei epishmws sth diadikasia ayth gia to sxedio kai qa enhmerwqoyn oloi. Einai safes oti qa ginei poly syntoma Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Pote akribws, qa to maqete to brady, dioti qa prepei na prohghqei h synedriash toy Eqnikoy Symboylioy ths Kyproy. Me bash, epomenws, th diadikasia poy qa epilejei h Kypriakh Dhmokratia, qa ginei kai h epilogh ths dikhs mas diadikasias. Pantws, sas apantw eyqews oti exei problefqei na yparjei synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy gia to qema, poly syntoma.\nFILHS: Sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PASOK;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Sth synexeia qa doyme kai tis alles anagkaies kinhseis. To prwto poy xreiazetai einai, h kybernhsh epishma, dia toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, na topoqethqei.\nFILHS: Syzhthsh sth Boylh epi arxhgwn, opws eixe zhthsei to KKE, qa yparjei;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Se prwth fash einai xrhsimo, oi arxhgoi na paralaboyn to keimeno. Gi` ayto to qema qa sas enhmerwsoyme to brady. Sth synexeia, meta thn paralabh toy keimenoy, oloi qeloyn ligo xrono gia na to melethsoyn, qa yparjei amesws synanthsh twn politikwn arxhgwn me ton Prwqypoyrgo.\nFILHS: Ennoeite kata monas;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Qa yparjoyn diadoxikes synanthseis twn politikwn arxhgwn me ton Prwqypoyrgo, poly syntoma. Epitrecte moy to brady na sas anakoinwsw tis hmeromhnies.\nFILHS: Pisteyete oti to Kypriako einai ena qema poy epitrepei na ginei syskech twn politikwn arxhgwn me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Pisteyw, oti se prwth fash einai xrhsimo na skycoyme oloi me prosoxh panw sto keimeno, na to melethsoyme, na ginoyn oi synanthseis twn politikwn arxhgwn me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai apo ekei kai pera na ekfrasei o kaqenas th dikh toy apoch kai na symbalei se ayth thn poreia. Ayto einai to anagkaio ayth thn wra.\nFILHS: Qelw na rwthsw, ean exei katastei safes h an einai bash ths diapragmateyshs.\nPRWTOPAPAS: To eipa, hdh. Den exei katastei safes. Oso den to exeis parei, den mporeis na eisai bebaios gia tipota. Alla fainetai apo tis diadikastikes syzhthseis poy exoyn prohghqei oti kati tetoio -bebaiws, opws katalabainete, den mporoyse na ginei kai apodekto- den qa yparjei. Den einai dynaton ena keimeno -to opoio qa perilambanei protaseis, poy den jeroyme kai pws qa einai panw sta meizona zhthmata poy exoyn na kanoyn me qemata kyriarxias, ekproswphshs, iqageneias, alla kai toy eyrwpaikoy kekthmenoy- na antimetwpistei se mia logikh ths antilhchs, poy eipate "take it or leave it". Ayto se kamia periptwsh den mporei na mas ekfrasei kai den mporei na ginei apodekto. Gi` ayto xreiazetai idiaiterh sobarothta kai prosoxh. Qewrw poly qetiko oti o OHE asxoleitai me to qema kai etoimazei protash. Qelw na sas qymisw oti epi 28 xronia oles oi ellhnikes kybernhseis zhtoysan thn parembash toy OHE. Ara, exoyme ena poly sobaro zhthma oti o OHE analambanei na askhsei th dikh toy parembash se ena toso krisimo qema. Einai, loipon, logiko oti xreiazetai o aparaithtos xronos kai oi katallhles diadikasies, prokeimenoy ola ta zhthmata poy yparxoyn na lyqoyn. Kai na lyqoyn me th symbolh twn dyo koinothtwn.\nBITALHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, afoy melethsete to keimeno kai yparxoyn kapoia qetika stoixeia se ayto, sthn periptwsh ayth, sto endexomeno ayto blepete piqano na prosypografei mia arxikh symfwnia kai na synexisoyn to qema meta thn Kopegxagh;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Giati prepei na bazoyme oria ston eayto mas; Nomizw oti eiste para poly empeiros politikos syntakths kai ta jerete ayta.\nBITALHS: To zhtaei@\nPRWTOPAPAS: Me sygxwreite, den jeroyme an qa zhthqei kati tetoio. Den exoyme kamia endeijh peri aytoy. Alla nomizw oti den eimaste emeis ekeinoi poy qa prepei na emfanizomaste oti bazoyme xronika oria ston eayto mas. Bebaiws, prepei na breqei mia lysh. Ayto einai epiqymhto apo oloys kai h ellhnikh pleyra qa doylecei gi` ayto. Na eiste bebaioi oti doyleyoyme gia na breqei lysh. Den qa afhsoyme na diaiwnizetai mia katastash kai na fqanei se logikes de facto dixotomhshs. Ayth h logikh toy na mhn asxolhqw me kati, epeidh einai dyskolo, epeidh piqana ayth h lysh -oloi to katalabainoyn- qa exei ena xarakthra symbibastikhs lyshs, epeidh qa xreiastei na lhfqoyn kai shmantikes apofaseis, den einai swsth. Den einai dynato na mh qetoyme to xeri epi ton typon twn hlwn kai na protimoyme thn eykolh, alla epikindynh logikh, th logikh ths anabolhs poy oysiastika enisxyei tis logikes ths de facto dixotomhshs. Prepei na proselqoyme me sobarothta kai apofasistikothta se enan tetoio dialogo. Bebaiws, apo ekei kai pera, ean mporei na symfwnhsoyme kai se kati prin apo thn Kopegxagh, kalo qa einai. Alla, se kamia periptwsh den mporei na syndeetai me th diadikasia ths entajhs. Prepei ayto na einai safes. Se kamia periptwsh den mporei na apotelei proypoqesh ths entajhs ths Kyproy sthn E.E.\nKWNSTANTINIDHS: Epeidh sthn oysia odhgoymaste se diapragmateysh, einai safh ayta poy lete, shmainei toyto oti piqanws na entaxqei h Kypros sthn E.E., na ginei h dieyrynsh ths Koinothtas kai h diapragmateysh na paei pera@\nPRWTOPAPAS: Poly piqanon.\nPOYLIDOY: Einai gnwsto oti mexri twra yphrxan epafes ajiwmatoyxwn ths E.E. me ton OHE, wste na einai symbato me to koinotiko montelo to sxedio-lysh. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw ean exete plhrofories oti oi ajiwmatoyxoi ths E.E. elaban diabebaiwseis apo ton OHE, oti sto sxedio Anan qa lambanetai ypoch to eyrwpaiko montelo.\nPRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei ena erwthma poy tiqetai sthn E.E., gyrw apo to an qa lhfqei ypoch to eyrwpaiko kekthmeno. Ayto einai mia pragmatikothta. Kai diko mas erwthma einai, ejalloy. Gi` ayto to logo kai polloi Eyrwpaioi ajiwmatoyxoi exoyn zhthsei na enhmerwqoyn oson afora ayto to shmeio. Pisteyw oti qa yparjei kai enhmerwsh ths E.E.. Einai logiko, otan zhtas thn entajh ths Kyproy sthn E.E., na prepei na toys enhmerwseis kai gia qemata poy aforoyn thn thrhsh toy eyrwpaikoy kekthmenoy. Epanalambanw, omws, se ayto to shmeio. Opws gnwrizete, ayto to zhthse kai o Germanos Kagkelarios prosfata kai eipwqhke oti qa enhmerwsei o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn Giwrgos Papandreoy ton Germano YPEJ k. Fiser, alla nomizw oti qa ginei kai epishmh enhmerwsh pros thn E.E., eidika gi` ayto to qema.\nPOYLIDOY: Mia dieykrinish. Ennoeite oti exei meinei erwthma, den exoyme apanthsh;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Mporei na yparxoyn kaqhsyxastikes parembaseis, alla ean den melethsoyme to keimeno, kaneis den mporei na einai bebaios.\nPOYLIDOY: Mhpws mporeite na mas peite, o Prwqypoyrgos apo thn Paraskeyh mexri thn Kyriakh poy gyrise sthn Aqhna, poy briskotan kai ean eixe epafes;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Gnwrizete oti o Prwqypoyrgos briskotan sth Germania apo thn Paraskeyh. Epestrece thn Paraskeyh to brady sto Parisi, opoy eixe seira epafwn me eidikoys episthmones poy gnwrizoyn arista ta qemata ayta kai syzhthse mia seira apo zhthmata nomikhs fyshs kai Dieqnoys Dikaioy poy exoyn na kanoyn me orismenes ptyxes (Synqhkes k.lp.), oson afora th lysh toy Kypriakoy. O Prwqypoyrgos eixe polywres synanthseis kai proetoimasia gi` ayto to sxedio.\nSOYRMELIDHS: Qelw na rwthsw an qa doqei to sxedio Anan sth dhmosiothta.\nPRWTOPAPAS: Qa akoloyqhsoyme tis epiloges ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias.\nMPOGIOPOYLOS: Exete kapoio sxolio gia to gegonos oti h israhlinh Presbeia zhthse apo thn ESHEA na labei metra kata kapoiwn efhmeridwn metajy aytwn kai o "RIZOSPASTHS" gia to gegonos oti oi efhmerides aytes yperaspisthkan to dikaiwma toy skitsografoy Staqh Stayropoyloy na kanei skitsa poy aforoyn to Israhl kai ton palaistiniako lao;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Dikaiwma kaqe skitsografoy kai genikotera kaqe dhmosiografoy einai na kanei th dikh toy kritikh. Epomenws kai o skitsografos poy prepei na einai kai pio "aixmhros" ek twn pragmatwn, dioti aytos einai kai o rolos toy, prepei na einai pantote eleyqeros na kanei to diko toy skitso, oso kako kai an einai ayto gia thn kaqe morfhs ejoysia. Giati ayto einai dhmokratia. Ara, o k. Stayropoylos epraje poly kala apo th dikh toy pleyra gia na ekfrasei ayto poy, en pash periptwsei, einai entetalmenos, ws leitoyrghma, na ekfrazei. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, qelw na sas pw, ws pros to texniko meros, oti den yphrje kamia parembash ths israhlinhs Presbeias. Exoyme sta xeria mas kai prepei na thn exete kai eseis, giati stalqhke kai pros thn ESHEA, mia epistolh toy Israhlinoy presbh k. Sanson, o opoios mas plhroforei oti den yphrje kamia parembash apo thn Presbeia, alla apo kapoio stelexos ths me allh idiothta, oxi me thn epishmh idiothta toy. Prokeitai gia kapoia mh kybernhtikh organwsh poy parenebh, sthn opoia tygxanei na symmetexei ayto to stelexos ths Presbeias. Ara, o men k. Stayropoylos epraje symfwna me to leitoyrghma toy kai th syneidhsh toy kai oydeis mporei na ton krinei gi` ayto, oi de Israhlinoi den parenebhsan epishma.\nNa oloklhrwsw thn enhmerwsh sas me to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy:\nAyrio, stis 10 to prwi, qa exei synanthsh me ton ypoyrgo Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn Niko Xristodoylakh me qema ton Proypologismo. Opws gnwrizete, stis 19 toy mhnos qa egkriqei o Proypologismos apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Stis 12 to meshmeri, qa synanthqei me thn ypoyrgo PEXWDE Basw Papandreoy kai stis 14.00 me ton ypoyrgo Gewrgias Giwrgo Dry.\nThn Pempth to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos qa anaxwrhsei gia th Barsobia, apo opoy qa epistrecei thn Paraskeyh to brady.\nkyber2html v1.05c run on Monday, 11 November 2002 - 14:05:13 UTC


url: = KAROGIAN HPA TOYRKIA KYPRIAKO\n PROEDROS - ARXHGOS ASTYNOMIAS - DIORISMOS\nProsqese pws oi HPA den exoyn rolo se ayth th diadikasia ektos toy oti endiaferontai na yparjei mia dieyqethsh poy na einai dikaih, diarkhs kai na bohqhsei sthn epanenwsh ths Kyproy se mia dizwnikh, dikoinotikh omospondia.\nAnefere pws einai polytimo gia ayton na exei mia baqyterh katanohsh twn synexizomenwn dyskoliwn kaqws epishs kai ths proodoy poy exei epiteyxqei ws twra stis synomilies kai na akoysei tis skeceis toy k. Iakwboy gia to pws qa proxwrhsoyn mprosta.\nErwthqeis ean metaferei opoiodhpote mhnyma apo ton Proedro twn HPA Mparak Ompama, o k. Mpraiza anefere: ``Mono ayto poy eqesa molis twra. Oti h politikh mas paramenei ayth poy eipa molis twra. Oti epidiwkoyme na kanoyme otidhpote mporoyme gia na bohqhsoyme tis pleyres na fqasoyn se mia symfwnia poy na einai dikh toys, poy qa dhmioyrghsoyn ta idia ta merh sthn Kypro, poy na epanenwnei to nhsi se mia dizwnikh, dikoinotikh omospondia. Alla den exoyme opoiodhpote sxedio diko mas, den exoyme opoiadhpote prwtoboylia, den problepoyme na paijoyme opoiondhpote neo rolo ektos ean ta merh ta idia, jekinwntas apo edw sth Leykwsia, poyn parakaloyme kante kati''.\nKlhqeis na pei ean einai aisiodojos apo osa akoyse, o Amerikanos ajiwmatoyxos eipe pws einai realisths, prosqetontas pws kai o k. Iakwboy einai realisths kai exei megalh empeiria.\nAnefere akomh pws exei akoysei to ti exei pei o Eidikos Symboylos toy GG toy OHE Alejanter Ntaoyner kai prosqese: Prospaqoyme na sxediasoyme gia thn epityxia, poy shmainei oti qeloyme na prosblepoyme kai na prosdokoyme oti qa yparjei mia symfwnia mexri to telos toy etoys``.\n``Alla xwris na eimaste meros ths diadikasias, eite pw oti eimai aisiodojos eite apaisiodojos den qa exei nohma'', anefere.\nKlhqeis na sxoliasei thn epiteyjh symfwnias metajy toy Proedroy Xristofia kai toy k. Talat gia to odofragma toy Limnith, o k. Mpraiza eipe pws ``eimaste poly ikanopoihmenoi apo ayto. Einai to pio xeiropiasto, epoikodomhtiko bhma pros ta empros poy mporoyme oloi na doyme edw kai kapoio xroniko diasthma''.\nSynexarh ton k. Iakwboy gia olh th doyleia poy exei kanei gia ayto kai prosqese pws prosblepoyn sthn efarmogh ths symfwnias to syntomotero dynato.\nAnefere pws prokeitai gia ena bhma poy qa bohqhsei ton kosmo kata ena apto tropo, kai eipe pws syzhthsan gia to pws ton teleytaio kairo kapoia atoma peqanan epeidh den yphrxe tropos na metaboyn syntoma sto nosokomeio, logw toy oti to odofragma paremene kleisto.\n``Etsi doja tw Qew ayto qa allajei pros to kalytero'', anefere.\nErwthqeis gia to endexomeno anoigmatos kai alloy odofragmatos, o k. Mpraiza eipe pws ayto enapokeitai sta merh. Anefere pws den syzhthsan gia kati tetoio, prosqetontas pws h apoch twn HPA gia ayto den exei shmasia, afoy den einai meros twn diapragmateysewn.\n``Alla ean ta merh mporoyn na katalhjoyn se mia tetoia symfwnia ayto qa htan poly qetiko'', katelhje.\nH dianoijh toy odofragmatos Limnith qa ejarthqei apo to pote qa ylopoihqoyn kapoia erga, poy xreiazetai na ginoyn sthn perioxh, dhlwse th Deytera o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos Stefanos Stefanoy, o opoios eipe pws stoxos ths Kybernhshs einai ayto na ylopoihqei to syntomotero dynaton.\nSe dhlwseis toy, o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos eipe oti h Kybernhsh qelei na elaxistopoihsei oso einai dynaton ayto to xrono. ``En pash periptwsei'', eipe, ``to shmantiko -toyth thn wra- poy prepei na ektimhsoyme einai h apofash symfwnia poy telika epeteyxqh, anaforika me th dianoijh toy odofragmatos toy Limnith''.\nSe erwthsh ean yparxei opoiadhpote periptwsh h apofash ayth na mhn pragmatopoihqei telika, o k. Stefanoy eipe oti ``h symfwnia einai symfwnia''. Se parathrhsh dhmosiografoy oti ``eidame polles fores symfwnies na katalhgoyn mono symfwnies sta xartia'', o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos eipe: ``Emeis pantote se o,ti symfwnoyme to ylopoioyme kai pros ayth thn kateyqynsh qa synexisoyme na ergazomaste. Den qelw na ginw kai se ayto to qema manths kakwn''.\nApoceis panw stis teleytaies ejelijeis sto Kypriako antallajan se synanthsh poy eixan th Deytera sth Boylh twn Antiproswpwn, o Proedros toy Swmatos Marios Karogian kai o Bohqos Yfypoyrgos Ejwterikwn twn HPA Maqioy Mpraiza, me ton k. Karogian na tonizei ston Amerikano ajiwmatoyxo thn anagkh askhshs pieshs sthn Toyrkia gia epiteyjh lyshs.\nSe dhlwseis toy meta th synanthsh, o k. Karogian eipe pws enhmerwse ton k. Mpraiza gia tis trexoyses ejelijeis se sxesh me tis diapragmateyseis anamesa ston Proedro Xristofia kai ton T/k hgeth Mexmet Ali Talat, didontas parallhla to ``stigma'', opws eipe, se sxesh me ayth thn poreia.\n``Ypogrammisa to shmantikotato rolo poy exoyn oi Hnwmenes Politeies gia na askhsoyn apotelesmatika piesh pros thn Toyrkia etsi poy na egkataleicei ayth thn adiallakth politikh poy akoloyqei ola ayta ta xronia se sxesh me to Kypriako, tonisa to gegonos oti sthn Toyrkia brisketai to kleidi gia th swsth epilysh toy kypriakoy problhmatos giati einai h Toyrkia poy synexizei na katexei ena megalo meros ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias, einai h Toyrkia poy exei ola ayta ta xronia steilei peripoy 180 xiliades epoikoys, kai einai h Toyrkia h opoia perifronei to dieqnes dikaio, katastrathgei kaqe arxh ths dieqnoys nomimothtas parabiazontas tis arxes kai ths ajies ths EE'', eipe.\nDioristhke apo ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias neos Arxhgos kai Yparxhgos ths Astynomias.\nSe dhlwseis toy, o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos Stefanos Stefanoy eipe oti ``o Proedros ths Dhmokratias Dhmhtrhs Xristofias, askwntas tis ejoysies poy toy parexei to syntagma, diorise ton Mixalh Papagewrgioy sth qesh toy Arxhgoy ths Astynomias, se antikatastash toy paraithqenta arxhgoy ths Astynomias Iakwboy Papakwsta.\nParallhla, anefere o Proedros ths Dhmokratias, askwntas tis ejoysies poy toy parexei to syntagma, diorise sth qesh toy Yparxhgoy ths Astynomias ton Andrea Nikolaidh, o opoios htan Bohqos Arxhgos Dioikhshs ths Astynomias, se antikatastash toy Mixalh Papagewrgioy.\nProsqese oti ``egnoia ths Kybernhshs kai toy idioy toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias einai kai se synergasia me th nea hgesia ths Astynomias na antimetwpisoyn ta opoia arnhtika fainomena yparxoyn kai na mporei h Astynomia anabaqmismena, enisxymena na ekplhrwnei thn apostolh thn opoia exei mprosta ths, poy einai poly shmantikh''.\nkypegr2html 2.01 run on Monday, 29 June 2009 - 13:29:20 UTC