url: = "Kratos pelateiakhs spatalhs"\n "Plhgma se ND kai PASOK"\n"H agora asfyktia, oi mikromesaies epixeirhseis ypoferoyn kai h ellhnikh oikogeneia antimetwpizei thn apeilh ths anergias, to de kratos ta teleytaia xronia einai to kratos ths pelateiakhs spatalhs kai twn adiafanwn synallagwn me isxyroys kai hmeteroys", dhlwse o proedros toy PASOK Giwrgos Papandreoy, meta th synanthsh toy me paragwgikoys foreis toy Peiraia, sthn edra ths epixeirhshs Marco Pumps.\nKai prosqese oti "se kapoia synanthsh moy me toys paragwgikoys foreis toy Peiraia, diapistwsa oti exoyme terasties dynatothtes kai oti mazi mporoyme na bgoyme apo thn krish pio dynatoi".\nO Giwrgos Papandreoy tonise oti "ayto qa ginei oxi rixnontas nea barh sth mikromesaia epixeirhsh kai ton ergazomeno, alla sthrizontas thn anaptyjh, mesa apo thn tonwsh ths agoras, sthrizontas to noikokyrema se ena kratos poy spatala pelateiaka, sthrizontas thn apasxolhsh kai dhmioyrgwntas ena neo anaptyjiako protypo, poy qa ferei neo ployto sth xwra".\nO proedros toy PASOK anefere epishs oti "qelw oloi na jeroyn pws qa eimai konta ston ergazomeno, sth mikromesaia epixeirhsh, stoys paragwgikoys foreis gia na baloyme jana mprosta thn Ellada".\nSe panstratia gia thn yperchfish toy KKE, prokeimenoy na doqei "isxyro plhgma sth ND kai to PASOK", kalese shmera h genikh grammateas toy kommatos Aleka Paparhga se synenteyjh Typoy gia tis boyleytikes ekloges ths 4hs Oktwbrioy.\nIdiaitera, apeyqynqhke "se aytoys poy apeixan stis teleytaies eyrwekloges, sto laiko kosmo toy PASOK kai se oloys toys rizospastes, oloys toys aristeroys, osoys amfisbhtoyn ton eyrwmonodromo kai niwqoyn ahdia apo th sapila toy politikoy systhmatos", epishmainontas oti "oloi mazi mporoyme na dhmioyrghsoyme thn epomenh twn eklogwn ena megalo rizospastiko kinhma rhjhs kai anatrophs".\nAnaferomenh sto LAOS kai toys Oikologoys yposthrije oti den exoyn diafwnies arxhs me ta dyo megala kommata kai oti aplws epidiwkoyn na exoyn dynamh gia na pazarecoyn th symmetoxh toys se antilaikh kybernhsh.\nXarakthrise ton SYRIZA "ekato ta ekato afereggyo", kaqws apodeixqhke, opws eipe, dynamh poy den mporei na amfisbhthsei oyte strathgika oyte praktika th dikommatikh enallagh kai "poy to dhqen atoy toy, h enothta ths aristeras, tinaxqhke ston aera".\nTonise, oti h diafora politikhs anamesa sto KKE kai ta alla kommata egkeitai sth stash toy apenanti sto megalo kefalaio, sta monopwlia, sta epixeirhmatika megaqhria, sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, sto NATO kai stis HPA. Epishs, se mia fereggya politikh symmaxiwn thn opoia exei, sthn antilhch kai stash toy apenanti sto kinhma kai to eniaio metwpo ergatwn - agrotwn aytoapasxoloymenwn, kaqws kai sthn protash ejoysias poy diaqetei.\nAnaforika me piqana senaria kybernhtikhs synergasias kommatwn se periptwsh poy to apotelesma twn eklogwn den ejasfalisei thn aytodynamia, dhlwse oti katastrwnontai sxedia gia piqanh kybernhsh ND-PASOK, me paramerismo twn oikogeneiakwn onomatwn, enw ektimhse ws oysiastika adynath thn kybernhsh synergasias me mikrotera kommata.\nEpishs, anaforika me thn apofash toy Alekoy Alabanoy na mhn katebei ypochfios stis epomenes ekloges, dhlwse:\n"Den eimaste eisaggeleis proswpikwn epilogwn. Ayto poy apodeixqhke einai oti o SYRIZA epaije kai paizei arnhtiko rolo sthn anagkh rizospastikopoihshs poy epiballoyn oi kairoi mas. Ayto fainetai apo to oti qewrei jeperasmenh thn tajikh palh, qelei mia eksygxronismenh sosialdhmokratia kai paradernei se antifaseis".\nGia to LAOS eipe oti "o rolos toy einai eidikos kai epikindynos, einai se diatetagmenh yphresia, sthn ejyphrethsh toy ekmaylismoy twn laikwn strwmatwn".\n"Emeis -prosqese- qa ton jeskepazoyme (to LAOS) giati syndyazei to synqhma patris-qrhskeia-oikogeneia kai me enan apisteyto amoralismo. Emeis mporoyme na antimetwpisoyme to dhlhthrio toy eqnikismoy kai toy ratsismoy, poy diadidei to LAOS pros ofelos toy systhmatos".\nAnaforika me thn ypoqesh ths Siemens kai thn apofash toy germanikoy Syntagmatikoy Dikasthrioy na mhn ekdoqei o k. Xristoforakos, th xarakthrise "sygkalych ekato ta ekato", prosqetontas oti "epeidh kai ta dyo kommata einai boythgmena sthn istoria, kapoy ta brhkan paraskhniaka, isws kai mesw ths germanikhs dikaiosynhs".\nSxetika me ta "ntimpeit", jekaqarise oti to KKE einai antiqeto se mia antiparaqesh twn dyo arxhgwn twn dyo megalwn kommatwn, giati ayth h antiparaqesh oysiastika ginetai gia na fanei poios einai o kalyteros gia prwqypoyrgos.\nYpogrammise, oti "alloy qa kriqei h maxh. To swsto qa htan na yparxoyn koines erwthseis gia oloys toys symmetexontes sto ntimpeit kai ayto na mhn ginetai gia na fanoyn oi idiaiterothtes twn kommatwn h gia na bgalei o kaqe dhmosiografos ta apwqhmena toy".\nProsqese oti "oysiastika, to ntimpeit, etsi opws ginetai, den prosqetei tipota, aplws primodotei thn ahdia".\nAnaferqhke diejodika stis "tesseris megales apates", opws eipe, se baros toy laoy poy prowqoyn h ND kai to PASOK. Eidikotera, anefere, oti h prwth apath einai oti taxa sygkroyontai sthn eklogikh anametrhsh dyo politikes, h deyterh apath oti einai dynaton h idia strathgikh, ayth dhladh poy xarazetai sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, na efarmozetai me tropo poy eite na wfeloyntai to idio ploytokratia kai ergazomenoi, eite na plhrwnoyn kai oi men kai oi de, to idio kostos.\nWs trith apath xarakthrise ta diafora "mh dhmofilh metra" poy dhqen aforoyn ena diasthma gia na bgoyme apo thn krish, enw sthn pragmatikothta aforoyn thn epiqesh sta ergatika laika strwmata kai ws tetarth apath, oti to problhma einai ta adeia tameia kai ta elleimmata kai oti ara einai qema ikanothtas h qelhshs na eispraxqoyn esoda.\nOson afora tis eidikoteres protaseis toy KKE epikentrwse thn anafora ths sth laikh stegh, stis foroapallages ews 30.000 eyrw kai 5.000 gia kaqe paidi, 45% forologia toy kefalaioy kai katarghsh toy FPA sta eidh platias laikhs katanalwshs, sta farmaka kai sta sxolika eidh.\nArxizei shmera kai epishma h proeklogikh periodos, me th qyrokollhsh toy Proedrikoy Diatagmatos gia th dialysh ths Boylhs, thn prokhryjh eklogwn gia thn Kyriakh 4 Oktwbrioy 2009 kai th sygklhsh ths Boylhs, poy qa prokycei apo tis ekloges, thn Tetarth 14 Oktwbrioy 2009.\nAyrio Trith 8 Septembrioy 2009, stis 14:00, ypo thn proedria toy ypoyrgoy Eswterikwn Prokoph Paylopoyloy, qa synedriasei h Diakommatikh Epitroph Eklogwn.\nSymfwna me anakoinwsh toy Ypoyrgeioy, sth synedriash qa asyzhthqoyn ta qemata:\n``1. Oroi, proypoqeseis kai xronos probolhs kata thn proeklogikh periodo twn politikwn kommatwn kai synaspismwn kommatwn, poy ekproswpoyntai sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn apo toys dhmosioys kai idiwtikoys radiofwnikoys kai thleoptikoys staqmoys eleyqerhs lhchs, kaqws kai toys foreis paroxhs syndromhtikwn, radiofwnikwn kai thleoptikwn yphresiwn kaqe morfhs stis boyleytikes ekloges ths 4hs Oktwbrioy 2009.\n2. Kaqorismos anagkaiwn leptomereiwn sxetika me tis emfaniseis sta kratika kai idiwtika radiothleoptika mesa twn ypochfiwn boyleytwn kai twn orizomenwn ekproswpwn twn kommatwn h twn synaspismwn, stis boyleytikes ekloges ths 4hs Oktwbrioy 2009.\n3. Kaqorismos anwtatoy orioy twn eklogikwn dapanwn twn ypochfiwn boyleytwn.\n4. Eklogikh xrhmatodothsh twn politikwn kommatwn kai twn synaspismwn kommatwn kata tis genikes boyleytikes ekloges ths 4hs Oktwbrioy 2009.\n5. Kathgories apotimwmenwn paroxwn kai dieykolynsewn poy synypologizontai stis eklogikes dapanes.\n6. Pinakides kai bohqhtika grafeia ypochfiwn''.\nO aperxomenos proedros toy Afganistan Xamint Karzai se synenteyjh toy poy dhmosieyetai shmera sth gallikh efhmerida Le Figaro, tonizei thn proqesh toy n'arxisei, ean epaneklegei, "dialogo eqnikhs symfiliwshs" me toys talimpan "kata tis ekato prwtes hmeres" ths neas qhteias toy, ean einai o nikhths twn eklogwn.\n"Einai kati poy qa kanw entos twn prwtwn ekato hmerwn", dieykrinise o Karzai kai prosqese:"Den tiqetai qema dialogoy me toys talimpan poy den qa stamathsoyn na exoyn sxeseis me thn Al Kainta h me aytoys poy qa arnhqoyn na anagnwrisoyn to afganiko Syntagma.\nO aperxomenos proedros tonise oti einai etoimos ana pasa stigmh na xorhghsei adeia eleyqerhs kykloforias stoys talimpan gia na mporesoyn na metaboyn sthn Kampoyl gia tis synomilies.\nH anejarthth eklogikh epitroph anakoinwse xqes oti o Xamint Karzai prohgeitai me 48,6% toy antipaloy toy Ampntoylax Amntoylax, me katametrhmeno to 74,2% twn chfwn. Ta telika apotelesmata anamenetai na anakoinwqoyn stis 17 Septembrioy. An kanenas apo toys dyo ypochfioys den ejasfalisei to 50% kai pleon, qa akoloyqhsei epanalhptikos gyros ton Oktwbrio.\nO Karzai anaferqhke sto natoiko bombardismo konta sto Koyntoyz ton opoio exei hdh epikrinei: "Poso laqos ektimhsh. Panw apo 90 nekroi gia ena aplo bytioforo, to opoio epipleon htan akinhtopoihmeno sthn koith enos potamoy. Giati den esteilan xersaies dynameis;".\nO Karzai epeshmane oti o dioikhths twn amerikanikwn dynamewn kai toy NATO sto Afganistan, amerikanos strathgos Stanlei MakKristal, toy thlefwnhse gia na toy zhthsei syggnwmh kai ton diabebaiwse oti den htan aytos poy edwse th diatagh gia to bombardismo.\nSthn idia synenteyjh o Karzai kathgorei toys dytikoys dhmosiografoys oti prospaqoyn na apostaqeropoihsoyn thn afganikh kybernhsh dhmosieyontas plhrofories gia ektetamenh noqeia stis proedrikes ekloges.\n"Einai idiaitera apogohteytiko to gegonos oti bretanika kai amerikanika MME de sebasthkan tis ekloges aytes. Oi dhmosiografoi aytoi prospaqoyn na apostaqeropoihsoyn th mellontikh afganikh kybernhsh. Ean ayth h xeiragwghsh apo ta MME aposkopei sthn egkaqidrysh mias kybernhshs andreikelwn, de qa petyxei ", tonise.\n"Oi Amerikanoi epitiqentai ston Karzai giati ton qeloyn pio ypakoyo. Kanoyn laqos. Den einai pros to symferon kanenos na einai o proedros toy Afganistan andreikelo twn Amerikanwn", ypogrammise o Karzai.\nKataggelies gia paratypies\nana2html v2.01 run on Monday, 7 September 2009 - 12:30:31 UTC


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url: =Greek Government Press Briefing, 00-11-06\nAqhna, 6 Noembrioy 2000\nO Prwqypoyrgos dexqhke shmera to Gallo Presbh k. Riper, o opoios prosfatws topoqethqhke sthn patrida mas. Ayth thn wra synantatai me omada boyleytwn toy PASOK, sto plaisio twn taktikwn synanthsewn poy exei kaqierwsei thn teleytaia periodo me ta melh ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas.\nAyrio stis 10 to prwi, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai to Ektelestiko Grafeio toy Kinhmatos, me qema syzhthshs thn en ejelijei eyriskomenh anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos. Gia to qema ayto eixe ginei pali synedriash, otan eprokeito na arxisei h syzhthsh sthn armodia epitroph. Gnwrizete oti epikeitai syzhthsh sthn Olomeleia ths Boylhs, ara einai epikairh ayth h synedriash. Qa akoloyqhsei synedriash toy KYSEA, me antikeimeno to mnhmonio synergasias Elladas-Kyproy. Argotera, to apogeyma, o Prwqypoyrgos qa pareyreqei sthn ekdhlwsh poy organwnetai sth Boylh, pros timhn twn Ellhnwn poy elaban meros stoys Paraolympiakoys Agwnes ths Aystralias.\nThn Tetarth kai thn Pempth, o Prwqypoyrgos episkeptetai thn Italia, th Rwmh. Einai episkech ergasias. Exoyn kaqierwqei aytes oi taktikes epafes, peripoy ana ejamhno, metajy twn hgetwn twn dyo xwrwn.\nThn Paraskeyh to prwi, o Prwqypoyrgos anaxwrei gia th Qessalonikh opoy qa labei meros kai qa milhsei sthn Panellhnia Syndiaskech toy PASOK gia thn politikh sto xwro ths Ygeias kai Pronoias.\nMIXAHL: Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh to rolo poy epaijan ta MME kai eidikotera ta hlektronika diktya kai h thleorash toy Alpha sthn ypoqesh ths apagwghs toy lewforeioy me toys Iapwnes toyristes kai thn paradosh, telika, toy drasth;\nREPPAS: Prepei na epishmanw oti ta hlektronika MME eixan mia poly qetikh stash se ayto to qlibero peristatiko. O rolos toys htan ypeyqynos. Den prokalesan to paramikro problhma stis armodies yphresies, enw briskotan se ejelijh mia orismenh epixeirhsh apo thn Astynomia. Qa elega, malista, oti ypobohqhsan, kata kapoio tropo, to ergo twn armodiwn yphresiwn. Ayto einai poly shmantiko. To epishmainw ws mia poly qetikh ejelijh. Prepei na pw oti kai o sygkekrimenos dhmosiografos, o k. Triantafyllopoylos, dieqese to kefalaio empistosynhs toy drasth pros to proswpo toy sthn yphresia twn armodiwn arxwn, prokeimenoy etsi na diathrhqei mia synexhs epafh me to drasth ayths ths lewforeiopeirateias kai na mporesoyn etsi na oloklhrwsoyn tis prospaqeies toys oi andres ths EL.AS. kai kyriws oi eidikoi episthmones poy eixan analabei na feroyn se peras ena poly shmantiko ergo.\nKOYIN: Shmera o k. Xrysoxoidhs, milwntas se ena radiofwniko staqmo, ejefrase th dysareskeia toy gia to rolo twn MME, legontas oti symballoyn sthn probolh arnhtikwn protypwn kai tonise thn anagkh na arxisei dialogos me ta MME, alla kai me thn ESHEA. Yparxei mia tetoia skech;\nREPPAS: Kanete laqos. O k. Xrysoxoidhs, apo thn prwth stigmh, epainese to rolo twn MME. Oson afora to genikotero qema, poy exei qesei o k. Xrysoxoidhs kai qetete ki eseis me thn erwthsh sas, mas apasxolei oloys. Den to syzhtoyme gia prwth fora. Ta MME einai mesa epikoinwnias kai enhmerwshs. O zwtikos xwros ston opoio kinoyntai einai akribws aytos: na plhroforoyn toys polites gia osa diadramatizontai sth xwra h ton kosmo. Ta MME den mporoyn na diekdikoyn zwtiko xwro apo th dikaiosynh, giati ena meso enhmerwshs den einai dikasths. Oyte apo thn Astynomia, giati den einai astynomos ena meso enhmerwshs. Ena meso enhmerwshs den einai ena idryma paroxhs koinwnikhs bohqeias se diaforoys polites poy exoyn tis dikes toys anagkes. Ayto einai ena terastio qema poy mporei na antimetwpistei apolytws, me thn eyqynh @kata prwto logo- twn idiwn twn leitoyrgwn twn MME. H politeia exei dhmioyrghsei ena qesmiko plaisio deontologias poy prepei na threitai. Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh @kai einai safes ayto poy h kybernhsh apo thn prwth stigmh eipe kai to epanalambanw- ta MME leitoyrghsan me ypeyqyno tropo.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na sxoliasete th synenteyjh toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy poy ``bgazei'' oti h kybernhsh den phgainei kala kai den einai eyxaristhmenos o kosmos.\nREPPAS: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos, sto plaisio ayths ths synenteyjhs, eipe tis apoceis toy, opws exoyn kanei kai polloi alloi, opws exei kanei kai o idios polles fores mexri twra. Ayto poy exei shmasia einai na petyxoyme ton koino stoxo, na antapokriqoyme sthn entolh poy mas edwse o ellhnikos laos, efarmozontas to programma, thn politikh poy exoyme apofasisei sto plaisio kybernhtikwn kai kommatikwn organwn. Se teleytaia analysh, qa kriqoyme apo ta apotelesmata ayths ths prospaqeias. Afoy einai koinos o stoxos, h prospaqeia einai syllogikh. Exoyme dedomeno to plaisio mesa sto opoio kinoymaste. Pisteyw oti o k. Tsoxatzopoylos, opws ola ta melh ths kybernhshs @einai aytonohto, alla to epanalambanw- einai entagmenoi kai prwtostatoyn se ayth thn prospaqeia. Allwste, to parelqon ayths ths kybernhshs kai ayths ths paratajhs apotelei thn kalyterh eggyhsh gia to mellon.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos, omws, me ayta poy leei, pisteyei oti me ton k. Shmith den prokeitai na epiteyxqei o stoxos.\nREPPAS: Den leei ayto o k. Tsoxatzopoylos. Alla, ayth thn wra, den qa mpoyme se ena dialogo peri toy ti leei o k. Tsoxatzopoylos. O k. Tsoxatzopoylos milhse, edwse apanthseis se sygkekrimena erwthmata kai gnwrizete poly kala oti den yparxei periqwrio gia opoion trito na ermhneysei ayta poy leei, giati milhse o idios me tropo prwtogenh kai ayqentiko. Me ayth thn ennoia, loipon, exoyme tis apoceis toy.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos einai melos ths kybernhshs@\nREPPAS: Eprepe na to gnwrizete ki eseis, prin qesete thn erwthsh sas. Ayto to eipa egw kai milhsa gia ta organa -kybernhtika kai kommatika- poy exoyn labei apofaseis poy oloi mazi efarmozoyme.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Alla bgazei kai ton Prwqypoyrgo kai thn politikh toy axrhsth.\nREPPAS: Exei staqei dipla ston Prwqypoyrgo o k. Tsoxatzopoylos. O Prwqypoyrgos exei tyxei ths epidokimasias toy ellhnikoy laoy se dyo synexeis eklogikes anametrhseis. Ayto, nomizw, oti leei ola.\nMOYRTZHS: Sto prohgoymeno qema, epeidh milhsate gia genikes arxes, ki egw milaw gia genikes arxes, telika qa teqei fragmos se ayta ta reality show, se ayta ta loympen stoixeia, toys anajiopaqoyntes poy dhmioyrgoyn toys dikoys toys hrwes h kai oi idioi einai antihrwes;\nREPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti ta hlektronika MME, antiqeta me ta entypa mesa enhmerwshs, ypokeintai se ena aysthrotero elegxo, oson afora to periexomeno toy programmatos toy, giati askoyn mia, kata paraxwrhsh, dhmosia yphresia. Xrhsimopoioyn syxnothtes poy einai eqnikh kai koinwnikh perioysia. H eleyqeria ths ekfrashs den einai dynato na perioristei. Oydeis mporei na dianohqei kan oti qa epiblhqoyn logokritikoy xarakthra periorismoi sth leitoyrgia twn MME. Apo thn allh @epanalambanw- qa prepei ta MME na antapokrinontai stis pragmatikes anagkes twn politwn: na toys enhmerwnoyn, na toys epimorfwnoyn, na toys cyxagwgoyn. Yparxei ena plaisio deontologias poy prepei na throyn. To ESR einai to organo poy ek meroys ths politeias exei epifortistei me ayto to rolo toy elegxoy kai ths epibolhs kyrwsewn ekei opoy qewrei oti ayto einai epibeblhmeno. Me ayth thn ennoia, thn eyqynh thn exoyn oi idioi oi leitoyrgoi twn MME. Thn eyqynh thn exei h politeia me toys elegktikoys mhxanismoys poy diaqetei, wste na elegxei an throyntai aytoi oi kanones deontologias. Kai bebaiws kai oi idioi oi polites einai aytoi poy sto plaisio mias dhmokratikhs, ployralistikhs koinwnias epilegoyn ta MME ths protimhshs toys.\nKARGOYDH: Eystaqoyn oi plhrofories poy hrqan sto fws ths dhmosiothtas, oti o Prwqypoyrgos dysaresthqhke apo th synenteyjh toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy;\nREPPAS: Ayto den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. O Prwqypoyrgos oyte dysaresteitai, oyte eyxaristeitai otan ta stelexh lene tis apoceis toys. O Prwqypoyrgos gnwrizei oti exei synergates, idiws toys ypoyrgoys kai ta melh toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy, sth megalh prospaqeia poy kanoyn h kybernhsh kai to PASOK gia na antapokriqoyn sto poly shmantiko rolo poy mas aneqese o ellhnikos laos na kybernoyme kai pali th xwra mas.\nBIDALH: O k. Flwridhs, shmera, milwntas sto "Skai" ekane logo gia mafia sto podosfairo kai idiaitera sto xwro ths diaithsias. Xqes, eixame kai ena peristatiko. Protiqetai na kanei kati h kybernhsh sto xwro ayto;\nREPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti o aqlhtismos kai idiaiterws to podosfairo, poy xarakthrizetai kai einai laiko aqlhma, sygkinei megalo tmhma toy plhqysmoy. Asfalws, h diejagwgh twn prwtaqlhmatwn prepei na xarakthrizetai apo diafaneia. Pantote yparxei periqwrio na analambanontai prwtoboylies poy beltiwnoyn to hdh yfistameno plaisio. Pisteyw oti se ayth thn kateyqynsh, opws to exei dhlwsei kat` epanalhch, kineitai kai o armodios ypoyrgos. To plaisio poy exei qespistei sth xwra mas einai ayto, basei toy opoioy diejagontai ta prwtaqlhmata. Otan parathroyntai tetoia ekfylistika fainomena, prepei na patassontai amesws. O armodios ypoyrgos, epanalambanw, exei dhlwsei -kai ayto kanei- etoimos na analabei sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisei opoia tetoia fainomena diatrexoyn ton aqlhtiko xwro.\nGEROPOYLOS: Sth synenteyjh toy o k. Tsoxatzopoylos anaferei oti oi pleyres ths kybernhtikhs politikhs poy askhqhkan, ta prohgoymena xronia, einai neofileleyqeres. Kai epishs, anaferei oti h stash toy gia ayth thn tetraetia den einai dedomenh. Qa hqela to sxolio sas gi` ayta poy eipe.\nREPPAS: Sxoliasame ta sxetika me th synenteyjh toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy. Qa moy epitrecete na mhn mpoyme se enan tetoio atypo, alla telikws oysiastiko kai epishmo dialogo, di` aytoy toy tropoy. To mono poy exw na pw kai kleinw etsi oles tis anafores, einai toyto: O k. Tsoxatzopoylos einai apo toys politikoys paragontes toy PASOK kai ths kybernhshs poy prwtostathsan, prokeimenoy na exoyme ayta ta epiteygmata sthn politikh mas. Pws qa htan dynato, allwste -gia na anaferqw se ena qema ths dikhs toy armodiothta- na proxwrhsoyme se shmantikes apofaseis gia toso megala ejoplistika programmata, ean prin den eixame ejasfalisei toys oikonomikoys oroys. Th dynatothta, dhladh, ths ellhnikhs oikonomias na antapokriqei kai na shkwsei to baros aytwn twn ejoplistikwn programmatwn. O k. Tsoxatzopoylos paramenei ena stelexos toy E.G., ena melos ths kybernhshs se enan poly shmantiko tomea, opws einai h Eqnikh Amyna ths xwras. Nomizw oti h symbolh toy kai sto mellon -einai aytonohto ayto, einai dedomeno, den to nomizw aplws- qa einai kaqoristikh, shmantikh gia na petyxoyme toys epomenoys stoxoys.\nDHMOSIOGRAFOS: Shmera to prwi, o k. Giannopoylos milwntas sto Alter Channel, sthn ekpomph toy k. Lamcia, eipe oti o k. Giannitshs einai maqhteyomenos ypoyrgos. Poio einai to sxolio ths kybernhshs;\nREPPAS: O k. Giannitshs einai ypoyrgos Ergasias kai Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn ths kybernhshs kai kanei mia poly shmantikh prospaqeia, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme, me thn politikh poy eishgeitai, polla problhmata, metajy twn opoiwn, thn anergia, poy apotelei mastiga gia polles xwres kai gia th dikh mas.\nKWSTANTHS: Symmerizeste tis apoceis poy ejefrase poy ejefrase o k. Tsoxatzopoylos, sxetika me to endexomeno na kanei komma o k. Abramopoylos kai na eisprajei, ektos apo th N.D., kapoies dynameis kai apo to PASOK; Kai to rwtw ayto, giati mexri twra, polla stelexh toy PASOK lene oti einai mia dienejh poy afora mono th N.D. Kai kati synafes: Yphretoyn ton koino stoxo poy anaferate, dhlwseis opws aytes toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy poy askoyn eyqews kritikh se pleistes drasthriothtes ths kybernhshs;\nREPPAS: Den askei kaneis kritikh ston eayto toy h toylaxiston den askei kritikh me enan tetoio tropo, wste na akyrwnei kai na anatrepei th dikh toy paroysia kai symbolh se mia petyxhmenh politikh diadromh, me sygkekrimena epiteygmata, poy kai o idios o ellhnikos laos ta anagnwrise kai ta epikyrwse me thn chfo toy. Oson afora tis erwthseis, poy sto plaisio twn synenteyjewn diatypwnontai apo esas kai apo toys synadelfoys sas kai dhmioyrgoyn aytomatws mia ypoxrewsh ston erwtwmeno na apanthsei, nomizw oti den prepei na epektaqoyme perissotero. To qema ths idryshs h mh kommatos apo ton k. Abramopoylo, einai qema poy exei syzhthqei poly. Nomizw oti den einai swsto, den einai deontologiko, na syzhtoyme toso poly gia kati to opoio den yparxei. Den einai swsto gia toys dhmosiografoys, ektos an exoyn kaqe logo na synthroyn ena qema sthn epikairothta, prokeimenoy na dhmioyrgeitai mia analogh epikoinwniakh pragmatikothta, alla yparxei mia diafora.\nMOYRTZHS: O k. Pagkalos parathrhse oti stoxos toy PASOK kai ths kybernhshs twra, einai h ejygiansh ths oikonomias. H ejygiansh ths oikonomias den ginetai me sosialistikoys oroys, alla me fileleyqeroys, neofileleyqeroys oroys. Isxyei ayto;\nREPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala poies apofaseis exei labei h kybernhsh, prokeimenoy na enisxysei akomh perissotero thn anaptyjiakh troxia ths xwras mas. Otan exoyme epityxei ryqmoys anaptyjhs 4,1%, gia to xrono ayto, panw apo 3,9% poy eixame ypologisei kai otan stoxeyoyme -kai fainetai oti einai efikto- thn epomenh xronia na exoyme ryqmoys anaptyjhs sto epipedo toy 5% toy AEP, antilambaneste pws exoyme balei tis baseis mias poly isxyrhs koinwnias. Giati isxyrh oikonomia exoyme. Ayto apodeiknyetai, allwste, me ton tropo me ton opoio antedrase h ellhnikh oikonomia stis kriseis poy ekdhlwqhkan palaiotera h kai prosfata, me aformh thn anodo ths timhs toy petrelaioy h thn anodo ths timhs toy dolarioy. Exoyme parei apofaseis, oi opoies einai sthn orqh kateyqynsh kai h politikh poy efarmozoyme einai se armonia me tis apofaseis aytes. Exoyme empistosynh sto programma mas kai tis dynameis mas. Kai pisteyw oti o ellhnikos laos, otan erqei h wra, opws mexri twra, qa mas empisteyqei kai pali kai qa mas timhsei me thn chfo toy.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh den apanthsate sto sygkekrimeno erwthma, eipate oti o k. Tsoxatzopoylos bohqhse na eklegei to PASOK. Alla ayth th fora, o k. Tsoxatzopoylos, sth synenteyjh toy, den qewrei oti qa einai oloklhrh thn tetraetia sto PASOK. Ayto pws to sxoliazete;\nREPPAS: Einai poly ayqaireto to diko sas symperasma kai den exw kanena logo na sxoliazw ayqairesies.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh den sas symferei.\nREPPAS: An dexqw th dikh sas logikh, xrhsimopoiw ayto to krithrio toy symferontos. Mono eseis den to xrhsimopoieite gia diko sas logariasmo.\nALEJAKH: Eipate gia ton k. Giannitsh, prohgoymenws, oti prosferei ws ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs ergo. Sth syndiaskech toy PASOK, omws, gia ta ergasiaka, tis dyo hmeres, dexqhke pyr omadon gia ta metra toy. Ti qa ginei, qa perasoyn ta metra Giannitsh; Qa kanete kapoies allages; Kai stelexh ths kybernhshs ypogrammisan oti prepei na ginoyn allages.\nREPPAS: Kat` arxas, den yparxoyn metra Giannitsh. Yparxei mia kybernhtikh politikh. To plaisio ths politikhs ayths to exoyme syzhthsei, to exoyme apofasisei. Pisteyw oti den prepei na epitrecoyme, ayth h xwra na meinei se ena telma. Ta problhmata einai para polla, einai krisima gia thn poreia ths xwras kai gia th zwh twn politwn. An qeloyme, apo th nea kiolas xronia, na exoyme, fer` eipein, meiwsh twn wrwn ths megisths apasxolhshs, qa prepei na analaboyme antistoixes nomoqetikes prwtoboylies.\nO k. Giannitshs einai sth diaqesh twn forewn. Exei akoysei tis apoceis toys. Qa ajiopoihsei opoies apoceis exoyn diatypwqei sto plaisio toy koinwnikoy dialogoy. Akomh kai twra, mexri thn kataqesh toy sxetikoy nomosxedioy, einai etoimos na yioqethsei kai na enswmatwsei protaseis oi opoies, kata th dikh mas antilhch, odhgoyn sthn epiteyjh aytoy toy stoxoy. Pisteyw oti oloi exoyme eyqynh na ekfrasoyme mia apoch h opoia odhgei se ayth th lysh, giati h diatypwsh twn apocewn, opws gnwrizete, ginetai me enan tropo aneto. Oi apoceis, o qewrhtikos logos einai eyryxwros, xwraei toys pantes, ekfrazei toys pantes, einai eyxaristos, mporei na mh dysarestei kanenan. H ypografh, omws, mias apofashs periexei mia idiaiterh eyqynh, giati pantote krinetai apo to apotelesma, enw o logos den paragei pantote apotelesma. Ara, krinetai thn idia wra poy akoygetai. H prajh einai ayth poy polles fores dysarestei. Alla qa perimenoyme to apotelesma ths kaqe prwtoboylias gia na bgaloyme to teliko symperasma. Mexri twra h kybernhsh exei deijei oti exei programma, basei toy opoioy kyberna th xwra pros th swsth kateyqynsh. Ayto o ellhnikos laos to anagnwrise.\nALEJAKH: Mhpws problhmatisthke o Prwqypoyrgos apo th synenteyjh toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy; Mhpws qewrhse oti se kapoia shmeia mporei na eixe dikio o Ypoyrgos Eqnikhs Amynas gia tis epishmanseis toy;\nREPPAS: Apanthsa se sxetikh erwthsh, prin apo ligo.\nALEJAKH: An ton dysaresthse, htan h erwthsh. Egw sas rwtw, an o Prwqypoyrgos ejefrase kapoion problhmatismo ws pros ayta poy leei o k. Tsoxatzopoylos.\nREPPAS: Apanthsa se ayth thn erwthsh. Giati an me kaleite na apanthsw akomh kai gia th skech kai toys problhmatismoys toy Prwqypoyrgoy, antilambaneste pws jepernoyme kaqe orio gia th diafaneia se ayto ton topo! Kai an qelete parabiazoyme kai to nomo gia ta proswpika dedomena!\nkyber2html v1.05c run on Monday, 6 November 2000 - 14:05:24 UTC


url: = HSAP: Diakoph ths kykloforias sto tmhma Omonoias-Tayroy\n Agwnes 2004: Asfaleis kai epityxeis\n Sto eleos twn oplwn h M. Anatolh\n Libyh: Metabibasthke h apozhmiwsh gia ta qymata toy Lokermpi\n Entopisthkan ta syntrimmia rwsikoy elikopteroy\n Tesseris nekroi sto Milano apo pyrobolismoys agnwstwn\n Polynekrh ekrhjh pyrayloy sth Brazilia\n Diadhlwsh kata ths politikhs Mpoys sto Siatl\n Kanadas: Xiliades anqrwpoi egkataleipoyn ta spitia toys logw pyrkagias\n Ekkenwqhke h bretanikh presbeia;\n Treis Bretanoi stratiwtes nekroi sth Basora\n O nta Silba sth qesh toy nte Melo\n Stibos: Tetarth h Stratakh sta 100m. empodia, toy eptaqloy\n Mpits Bolei: Htta twn Gkortsanioyk/Moyrtzioy\n Peqane ston ypno toy, apo ta... gelia\n23/8/2003 10:32:00 pm\nXwris hlektriko sidhrodromo qa meinei shmera Sabbato apo to prwi ews tis 4 to apogeyma to tmhma metajy Omonoias kai Tayroy, logw ergwn. Oi epibates qa ejyphretoyntai sto tmhma ayto apo astika lewforeia xwris na plhrwnoyn deytero eisithrio.\n22/8/2003 11:54:00 mm\nOi Olympiakoi Agwnes qa einai asfaleis kai epityxeis, diabebaiwse h Proedros toy Aqhna 2004 Gianna Aggelopoyloy, toys arxhgoys twn apostolwn, apo tis 201 xwres poy qa paroyn meros, ariqmos rekor, sthn istoria twn agwnwn. Sthn asfaleia twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn, anaferqhke kai o Amerikanos presbeyths sthn Aqhna, Tomas Miler, poy episkefthke thn Paraskeyh to Kentro Istioploias, ston Agio Kosma. O k. Miler, edwse idiaiterh emfash sthn ellhnoamerikanikh synergasia, gia thn asfaleia twn Agwnwn.\nKaqhsyxastikos kai o Tomas Miler\nMeta ton ajiwmatoyxo ths DOE Ntenis Osbalnt kai ton Phter Raian poy anaskeyase tis dhlwseis toy, kaqhsyxastikos emfanisthke thn Paraskeyh kai o amerikanos presbhs Tomas Miler, legontas oti einai kalytera na mhn anhsyxhsoyme gia ola ayta ta arqra.\nO Amerikanos presbhs, poy proebh stis sxetikes dhlwseis kata thn episkech toy sto kentro Istioploias, prosqese akoma oti den htan alhqeia osa egrafhsan apo toys New York Times gia thn Al Kainta kai tonise oti prepei na synexistei h poly kalh, opws th xarakthrise, synergasia HPA kai Elladas gia thn asfaleia.\n23/8/2003 11:30:00 pm\nTreis Palaistinioi maxhtes - melh ths organwshs Tajiarxies Martyrwn toy Al Aksa skotwqhkan to brady ths Paraskeyhs, kata th diarkeia israhlinhs epiqeshs sthn polh Namploys ths Dytikhs Oxqhs, enw me antipoina apeiloyn h Xamas kai h Tzixant, gia to qanato toy hgetikoy stelexoys ths Xamas, Ismahl Ampoy Sanamp, meta thn koinh toys anakoinwsh pws janarxizoyn tis epiqeseis enantion twn Israhlinwn. "H Palaistiniakh Arxh qa parei metra enantion twn enoplwn organwsewn, monon afoy aposyrqoyn oi israhlines dynameis apo tis palaistiniakes perioxes", anakoinwsan Palaistinioi ajiwmatoyxoi. Sta dyo h Lwrida ths Gazas apo to prwi ths Paraskeyhs, otan o israhlinos stratos egkatesthse ek neoy stratiwtiko fylakio sthn kentrikh odikh arthria poy syndeei to boreio me to notio tmhma ths perioxhs, enw apo ta jhmerwmata ths idias hmeras, sth Tzenin, isxyei apagoreysh ths kykloforias.\nSynomilies me toys maxhtes epidiwkei h Palaistiniakh Arxh\nPalaistinioi ajiwmatoyxoi dhlwsan oti h Palaistiniakh Arxh einai etoimh na afoplisei tis maxhtikes organwseis, na apotrecei tis epiqeseis enantion Israhlinwn, na kleisei kapoia idrymata poy syndeontai me thn Xamas kai thn Islamikh Tzixant, na elegjei toys trapezikoys toys logariasmoys kai na labei alla perioristika metra.\nEpipleon, eipan pws se mia synedria toy ypoyrgikoy symboylioy thn Paraskeyh, parontos toy Giaser Arafat, apofasisthke na epidiwxqei na ginoyn synomilies me toys maxhtes gia thn epanafora ths ekexeirias poy tinaxthke ston aera tis teleytaies deka hmeres me tis nees palaistiniakes epiqeseis aytoktonias kai tis israhlines stratiwtikes epidromes.\nNwritera, o Amerikanos proedros apofasise th desmeysh twn perioysiakwn stoixeiwn eji stelexwn ths Xamas kai pente organwsewn poy ferontai na thn xrhmatodotoyn kai kalese toys Palaistinioys na apomonwsoyn tis ejtremistikes organwseis poy pragmatopoioyn epiqeseis kata twn Israhlinwn.\nO Amerikanos presbeyths sto Israhl enhmerwse ton dieyqynth ths kybernhshs toy Ariel Saron gia thn apofash ths kybernhshs toy na pagwsei ta perioysiaka stoixeia ths organwshs Xamas. ''O Amerikanos presbeyths Ntan Koyrtser synanthqhke thn Paraskeyh me ton Ntob Baisgklas kai ton enhmerwse gia thn apofash twn HPA na pagwsoyn ta perioysiaka stoixeia ths Xamas'', dieykrinise to israhlino radiofwno.\nSymfwna me thn idia phgh, o Baisgklas eixe synomilies me ton Tzon Goylf, eidiko apestalmeno toy Amerikanoy proedroy Tzortz Mpoys kai me thn Amerikanida symboylo eqnikhs asfaleias Kontoliza Rais. O Baisgklas dhlwse stoys synomilhtes toy oti prepei na piesoyn ton Palaistinio prwqypoyrgo Maxmoynt Ampas na agwnistei gia thn ejarqrwsh twn tromokratikwn organwsewn, gia th syllhch, ton afoplismo kai thn prosagwgh sth dikaiosynh twn melwn toys, opws problepei o ''odikos xarths''.\nTo Mesanatoliko kai h katastash sto Irak, htan sto epikentro twn thlefwnikwn synomiliwn poy eixe o Rwsos ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn, Igkor Ibanof, me toys omologoys toy twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn, ths Gallias kai ths Germanias.\nSto metajy, peripoy 100.000 Palaistinioi paresthsan thn Paraskeyh sthn khdeia toy Ismahl Ampoy Sanamp, toy koryfaioy stelexoys ths Xamas, poy skotwqhke thn Pempth sthn polh ths Gazas apo pyraylo poy ektojeyqhke apo israhlino maxhtiko aeroplano.\nXiliades atoma fwnazan anti-israhlina synqhmata kai zhtoysan ekdikhsh. Epikefalhs ths poreias htan Palaistinioi maxhtes, melh ths enoplhs pterygas ths Xamas, ths Islamikhs Tzixant kai twn Tajiarxiwn twn Martyrwn Al Aksa.\nNwritera, eikosi Palaistinioi aktibistes, poy eixan brei katafygio sto arxhgeio toy Giaser Arafat sth Ramala, egkateleican to kthrio kaqws ekfrasthkan foboi gia endexomenh israhlinh epidromh. Oi aktibistes aytoi, poy anhkoyn sthn organwsh Tajiarxies twn Martyrwn toy Al Aksa, eixan teqei ypo krathsh sto arxhgeio toy Arafat (Moykataa) stis 2 Aygoystoy me entolh ths Palaistiniakhs Arxhs. Arxika eprokeito na metaferqoyn sthn Ierixw alla paremeinan sto arxhgeio toy Arafat meta tis pieseis ths organwshs toys.\n23/8/2003 11:45:00 pm\nH Libyh metabibase 2,7 disekatommyria dolaria sthn Trapeza Dieqnwn Diakanonismwn gia thn apozhmiwsh twn oikogeneiwn twn qymatwn ths bombistikhs epiqeshs sthn pthsh 103 aeroskafoys ths Pan Am, panw apo to Lokermpi ths Skotias to 1988, dhlwsan thn Paraskeyh Amerikanoi ajiwmatoyxoi. Me th metabibash twn xrhmatwn kai thn apodoxh ths eyqynhs thn perasmenh ebdomada gia thn anatinajh ston aera toy tzampo ths Mpoingk, h Tripolh ekplhrwse tis apaithseis twn HPA kai ths Bretanias gia th dieyqethsh ths makroxronhs diamaxhs kai th monimh arsh twn kyrwsewn poy ths exei epibalei o OHE. To kata poson qa arqoyn oi kyrwseis, oi opoies epiblhqhkan to 1992 kai anestalhsan to 1999 meta thn paradosh apo th Libyh dyo Libywn ypoptwn se dikh, ejartatai apo to an h Gallia qa xrhsimopoihsei to beto h an qa epidiwjei na kaqysterhsei mia chfoforia kaqws qa prospaqei na diapragmateyqei ychloterh apozhmiwsh gia th bombistikh epiqesh se galliko aeroplano to 1989.\n23/8/2003 10:55:00 pm\nTa swstika synergeia entopisan to Sabbato ta syntrimmia enos rwsikoy elikopteroy poy eixe ejafanistei apo thn Tetarth sthn Kamtsatka ths rwsikhs Apw Anatolhs. Kai ta 20 atoma poy epebainan s' ayto skotwqhkan, egine gnwsto apo to ypoyrgeio Ektaktwn Katastasewn sthn Kamtsatka. To elikoptero, typoy MI-8, breqhke 115 xiliometra notioanatolika toy Petropablosk-Kamtsatski, konta ston potamo Apatsan, dieykrinise ekproswpos toy ypoyrgeioy. To elikoptero metefere 17 epibates metajy twn opoiwn ton kybernhth ths perioxhs ths Saxalinhs kai trimeles plhrwma. To elikoptero xaqhke mia wra meta thn apogeiwsh toy apo to Petropablosk-Kamtsatski me proorismo to Sebero-Koyrilsk, stis Koyriles nhsoys poy anhkoyn sthn perioxh ths Saxalinhs.\n23/8/2003 10:53:00 pm\nTesseris anqrwpoi, metajy twn opoiwn kai ena koritsaki triwn etwn, skotwqhkan to brady ths Paraskeyhs se polysyxnasto dromo se proastio toy Milanoy, otan dyo agnwstoi arxisan na pyroboloyn enantion toys. Opws egine gnwsto apo thn italikh astynomia, to paidi kai enas hlikiwmenos andras skotwqhkan kata laqos apo toys dyo enoploys, stoxos twn opoiwn htan dyo alloi nearoi andres, hlikias peripoy 20 etwn. To koritsaki, o hlikiwmenos andras kai oi dyo nearoi ypekycan sta traymata toys enw oi drastes kataferan na diafygoyn me aytokinhto.\n23/8/2003 10:31:00 pm\nDekaennia anqrwpoi skotwqhkan sth Brazilia otan ejerragh enas pyraylos, sth qesh ektojeyshs toy sto tropiko dasos, o opoios eprokeito na ektojeyqei tis epomenes meres, odhgwntas taytoxrona se apotyxia thn trith prospaqeia ths xwras na ekplhrwsei ena oneiro pollwn xronwn kai na ginei diasthmikh dynamh. Alloi 20 anqrwpoi traymatisthkan sobara apo thn ekrhjh, h opoia esteile mia terastia sthlh kapnoy ston oyrano panw apo th bash ektojeyshs sto tropiko akrwthri poy katalhgei ston Atlantiko. ''Dekaennia anqrwpoi skotwqhkan kai peripoy 20 traymatisthkan sobara'', dhlwse o Raimoyndo nte Soyza, ekproswpos Dhmosias Asfaleias toy boreioanatolikoy kratidioy Maranxao. Stoys nekroys perilambanontai polites kai stratiwtikoi, dhlwse.\nH ekrhjh akoysthke dekades xiliometra makria sthn polh Sao Loyis. Ajiwmatoyxoi dhlwsan oti otan ejerragh o pyraylos den briskotan se diadikasia ektojeyshs. Den einai gnwsto ti prokalese thn ekrhjh sth bash opoy peripoy 800 anqrwpoi etoimazan thn ektojeysh toy pyrayloy, h opoia eixe programmatistei na ginei thn epomenh ebdomada.\nO pyraylos eixe mhkos 20 metra kai kostise 6,5 ekatommyria dolaria.\nOtan synebh to atyxhma, stis 1.30 m.m. topikh wra, o pyraylos "kaqotan" se mia megalh kataskeyh sthn ejedra ektojeyshs ths diasthmikhs bashs Alkantara ths Brazilias, sth xersonhso toy tropikoy dasoys poy katalhgei ston wkeano.\nH Brazilia hlpize na pragmatopoihsei thn prwth epityxhmenh apostolh sto diasthma apo latinomerikanikh xwra. Oi pyrayloi poy ektojeythkan apo th Brazilia to 1997 kai 1999 katastrafhkan ligo meta thn apogeiwsh toys logw texnikwn problhmatwn. Oi eidikoi doyleyan apo tis arxes Ioylioy gia na synarmologhsoyn to apokaloymeno Oxhma Ektojeyshs Doryforoy. O pyraylos qa pernoyse apo ta telika test ews tis 24 Aygoystoy, meta apo ta opoia oi ajiwmatoyxoi ths bashs dhlwsan pws qa htan etoimos na jekinhsei th diadikasia ektojeyshs.\n23/8/2003 11:26:00 pm\nPeripoy 500 anqrwpoi diadhlwsan thn Paraskeyh diamartyromenoi gia thn episkech toy proedroy twn HPA, Tzortz Mpoys, sto Siatl kai kataggellontas thn oikonomikh politikh ths amerikanikhs kybernhshs kai ton polemo sto Irak. "O Mpoys ceydetai, o laos peqainei" fwnazan oi diadhlwtes, polloi apo toys opoioys ejefrazan epishs thn antiqesh toys sthn politikh toy Amerikanoy proedroy ston periballontiko tomea. Arketoi ekproswpoysan ergatika syndikata, opws ayto ths aeronayphgikhs etaireias Mpoingk poy anakoinwse thn Paraskeyh oti katargei 1.250 qeseis ergasias apo ta ergostasia ths poy briskontai sto Siatl.\n''Prepei na htthqei''\n"Xasame 57.000 qeseis ergasias apo th stigmh poy anelabe kaqhkonta o Mpoys. Prepei na htthqei stis prosexeis proedrikes ekloges toy 2004", dhlwse o proedros toy Dhmokratikoy kommatos sthn Politeia Oyasingkton, Pol Mperent.\nOi diadhlwtes epekrinan epishs thn politikh poy akoloyqoyn oi HPA sto Irak. "Den mporoyme na apaitoyme na eimaste oi kyriarxoi toy kosmoy" eipe xarakthristika enas anergos, o Al Soyingken. "H ejwterikh politikh toy Mpoys basizetai sta cemmata kai dhmioyrgei to diko toy Baterlw", ypogrammise o Alexantro Nti.\nH episkech toy Mpoys sto Siatl eixe ws stoxo th sygkentrwsh porwn gia th xrhmatodothsh ths proeklogikhs ekstrateias toy gia tis proedrikes ekloges toy 2004.\n23/8/2003 10:40:00 pm\nPyrkagia anagkase ews kai 10.000 anqrwpoys na egkataleicoyn tis esties toys sthn Kelooyna sth Bretanikh Kolombia kai alloi 3.000 isws anagkastoyn na tis egkataleicoyn, se mia apo tis xeiroteres periodoys pyrkagiwn sto Dytiko Kanada edw kai dekaeties. Ajiwmatoyxoi ektaktwn anagkwn sthn pio dytikh eparxia toy Kanada dhlwsan thn Paraskeyh pws epalhqeyqhke ''to xeirotero toys senario'', otan h pyrkagia, afoy katekace 17.000 ektaria notia ths polhs, perase thn antipyrikh zwnh kai kateyqynqhke pros mia geitonia akribwn kai sthn pleiochfia toys neoktistwn spitiwn thn Pempth to brady. Ews to prwi ths Paraskeyhs, pykno synnefo kapnoy eixe aplwqei panw apo thn polh twn 96.000 katoikwn, krybontas th qea twn boynwn opoy mainotan akomh h fwtia. Den anaferqhkan qanatoi h traymatismoi, wstoso symfwna me anafores twn topikwn MME perissotera apo dwdeka spitia isws exoyn ypostei zhmies h exoyn katastrafei apo tis floges.\nPhgh: APE 23/8/2003 11:36:00 pm\nThn perasmenh Tetarth, mia hmera meta thn polynekrh epiqesh enantion twn grafeiwn toy OHE, ekkenwqhke h presbeia ths Bretanias, kaqws yphrxe ''basimh apeilh'' gia epiqesh enantion ths, yposthrizei se shmerino dhmosieyma ths h efhmerida ''Taims''. O Kris Segkar, o epikefalhs ths bretanikhs diplwmatikhs apostolhs, mazi me toys alloys diplwmates, toys fylakes kai toys ypallhloys, apomakrynqhkan kai egkatastaqhkan sto kentriko ktirio ths amerikano-bretanikhs symmaxias sth Bagdath, prosqetei h efhmerida, poy epikaleitai phges toy Forein Ofis. Na shmeiwqei oti to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn ths Bretanias den exei epibebaiwsei thn ekkenwsh ths presbeias.\n''Apomakrynqhkan thn epomenh ths epiqeshs se baros toy OHE'' sthn opoia skotwqhkan toylaxiston 23 anqrwpoi, metajy twn opoiwn kai o ekproswpos toy Organismoy sto Irak, Sertzio Bieira nte Melo, anefere enas Bretanos ajiwmatoyxos.\nH efhmerida den dieykrinizei ean to diplwmatiko proswpiko exei epistrecei sto ktirio ths presbeias poy brisketai stis oxqes toy Tigrh kai palaiotera stegaze thn katoikia toy Oqwmanoy kybernhth.\n23/8/2003 10:35:00 pm\nTreis Bretanoi stratiwtes skotwqhkan kai enas traymatisqhke to Sabbato se epiqesh sth Basora, sto notio tmhma ths xwras, anakoinwse Bretanos stratiwtikos ekproswpos. ''Sobaro epeisodio shmeiwqhke sto kentro ths Basoras to prwi. Epibebaiwnoyme oti treis Bretanoi stratiwtes skotwqhke kai enas traymatisqhke sobara'', tonise o idios ekproswpos o opoios den anaferqhke stis synqhkes toy epeisodioy aytoy. Prohgoymenes plhrofories aneferan oti oi stratiwtes traymatisqhkan apo pyra poy erijan enantion toy oxhmatos toys enoploi oi opoioi epebainan se ena leyko Toyota. Symfwna me to BBC, oi drastes erijan kai xeirobombida enantion toy stratiwtikoy oxhmatos.\n23/8/2003 10:21:00 pm\nRamiro Lopes nta Silba\nO Portogalos Ramiro Lopes nta Silba oristhke, proswrina, eidikos ekproswpos toy genikoy grammatea toy OHE gia to Irak, sth qesh toy Sertzio Bieira nte Melo, o opoios exase th zwh toy thn Trith, sthn polynekrh bombistikh epiqesh enantion toy arxhgeioy toy dieqnoys organismoy sth Bagdath. Shmeiwnetai oti o g.g. twn Hnwmenwn Eqnwn qa symmetasxei sthn agrypnia sto Rio nte Tzaneiro eis mnhmhn toy synergath toy. Apo thn pleyra toy, o Amerikanos proedros ektimhse oti to Irak qa apotelesei to pedio mias paratetamenhs maxhs, ston polemo enantion ths tromokratias.\n23/8/2003 11:20:00 pm\nThn 13h kalyterh epidosh sta 100m. empodia toy eptaqloy petyxe h Argyrw Stratakh, sta plaisia toy Pagkosmioy Prwtaqlhmatos Stiboy poy diejagetai sto Parisi. H Ellhnida prwtaqlhtria, symmeteixe sthn 1h seira kai me epidosh 13.93 katekthse thn 4h qesh, poy htan kai h 13h kalyterh epidosh sto agwnisma ayto. Thn prwth qesh sth seira ths Strath phre h Israhlinh Sbetlana Gnezntilof me 13.62, enw ton kalytero xrono apo tis treis synolika seira poy diejhxqhsan, petyxe h Gallida Enis Mparmper me 13.05.\n23/8/2003 12:12:00 pm\nThn htta gnwrisan oi Andreas Gkortsanioyk/Panagiwths Moyrtzios apo toys Giore Siemperoynt kai Bergkarnt Xointalen. Oi Norbhgoi, No8 sthn pagkosmia katatajh kai No1 sto tamplo toy toyrnoya Tsalentzer, nikhsan eykola me 2-0 (21-13, 21-13 se 29 lepta) kai phran thn prokrish stoys '8", opoy qa antimetwpisoyn toys Nisimoyra/Asaxi apo thn Iapwnia.\n23/8/2003 11:43:00 pm\nProblhmatismo stoys giatroys kai tromo stoys katoikoys enos xwrioy sth boreia Taylandh exei prokalesei o qanatos enos odhgoy forthgoy me pagwta, o opoios, opws anaferei dhmosieyma peqane ston ypno toy apo to poly gelio. O Ntamroen Saenoym, 52 etwn, koimotan to brady ths Triths sto spiti toy sthn perioxh Moyangk ths eparxias Frae boreia ths Mpangkok, otan opws eipe h gynaika toy Loyan arxise na cellizei kai na gelaei. H efhmerida Kom Tsat Loyek anaferei oti symfwna me ta osa eipe h Loyan, ekeinh eixe jypnhsei apo ena xtyphma sthn porta, ligo prin arxisei o antras ths na gelaei. Otan phge na anoijei den brhke kanena, enw para ths prospaqeies ths den mporese na jypnhsei ton antra ths prin aytos stamathsei na anapneei.\n''Hrqe na ton parei!''\nH efhmerida anaferei sth synexeia oti oi geitones toy Ntamroen pisteyoyn pws to xtyphma sthn porta htan apo to diabolo poy eixe elqei gia na ton parei, kai pws apo th stigmh poy eixe zhsei mia kalh zwh, ton afhse na peqanei xaroymenos!\nSymfwna pantws me ton Somsak Goyantnigongk, to giatro sto nosokomeioy toy Frae, poy ypegrace to pistopoihtiko qanatoy toy, o qanatos toy ofeiletai piqanotata se kardiakh aneparkeia, xwris wstoso na einai apolytws bebaios, afoy o Ntamroen htan se kalh fysikh katastash.\n"Den exw janasynanthsei paromoia periptwsh", dhlwse o anaplhrwths dieyqynths toy tmhmatos cyxikhs ygeias toy nosokomeioy Somtsai Tsantrampant. "Einai pantws piqano na paqei kapoios kardiakh prosbolh apo poly dynato gelio h klama", prosqese o idios.\neragr2html v1.00 run on Saturday, 23 August 2003 - 8:55:52 UTC


url: = Toylaxiston 24 nekroi apo bombistikh epiqesh sto Irak\n Emporeyontan akatallhlo kreas alogoy\n``Exontas stis aposkeyes toy'' th qetikh eishghsh twn epikefalhs ths troikas gia ta Ellhnika Amyntika Systhmata (EAS) kai, kat' epektash gia thn ektamieysh ths doshs toy 1 dis. eyrw, metabainei ayrio to brady sth synedriash toy Eurogroup, stis Bryjelles, o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn, Giannhs Stoyrnaras.\nAisiodojia oti to Eurogroup ths Triths qa anacei to "prasino fws" gia th dosh, ejefrazan kybernhtikoi kykloi meta th synanthsh toy ypoyrgoy Oikonomikwn I. Stoyrnara me thn troika. Oi ekproswpoi twn daneistwn apoxwrhsan kai den qa ginei nea synanthsh me ton ypoyrgo Anaptyjhs K. Xatzhdakh.\nToylaxiston 24 siites proskynhtes skotwqhkan apoce otan ejerraghsan taytoxrona dyo aytokinhta gemata me ekrhktika kai mia bomba poy eixe topoqethqei sthn akrh toy dromoy konta sthn polh Gioysfigia, notiws ths Bagdaths.\nPhges toy ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn kai nosokomeiakes phges ekanan logo gia 24 nekroys kai 52 traymaties.\nH epiqesh ayth shmeiwqhke enw oi proskynhtes metebainan me ta podia sthn Kermpala, thn ierh polh twn siitwn poy apexei 110 xiliometra apo thn irakinh prwteyoysa, gia na giortasoyn to Armpain, thn 40h hmera toy penqoys meta thn Asoyra, th shmantikoterh qrhskeytikh giorth toys.\nMia megalh ypoqesh emporias alogisioy kreatos akatallhloy gia katanalwsh, oxi omws aparaithtws kai epikindynoy gia thn ygeia, apokalyfqhke shmera sth notia Gallia meta apo mia ereyna poy epektaqhke kai sth geitonikh Ispania.\nToylaxiston 21 ypoptoi exoyn syllhfqei mexri stigmhs sth Gallia, opws anefere mia phgh proskeimenh sthn ereyna.\nOi arxes ereynoyn kata poson prowqhqhke sthn agora kreas alogwn ta opoia eixan xrhsimopoihqei sto parelqon apo farmakeytikes etaireies kai ergasthria h proerxontan apo ippikoys omiloys. Peripoy 200 aloga, 60 ek twn opoiwn eixan xrhsimopoihqei sto parelqon apo th farmakeytikh etaireia Sanofi, poylhqhkan gia to kreas toys afoy parapoihqhkan prohgoymenws ta pistopoihtika twn kthniatrwn.\nana2html v2.01 run on Monday, 16 December 2013 - 21:30:26 UTC


url: = Systaseis DNT sthn Ispania\n Apoxwrhsh Amerikanwn stratiwtwn apo to Afganistan\n Nees diakopes reymatos\nH Ispania prepei na enisxysei tis prospaqeies gia th metarryqmish ths oikonomias ths, kaqws h krish kratikoy xreoys sthn Eyrwph apeilei na periorisei thn anakamch ths, tonizei to DNT se ekqesh toy, sthn opoia anaferetai to praktoreio Bloomberg.\n``Oi xrhmatopistwtikes synqhkes mporei na epideinwqoyn peraiterw, antanaklwntas thn ayjhsh ths anhsyxias gia toys kindynoys kratikoy xreoys sthn Eyrwzwnh'', shmeiwnei h ekqesh, prosqetontas oti ``ayto mporei na piesei epiprosqeta to kostos daneismoy gia to ispaniko Dhmosio kai tis ispanikes trapezes kai me th seira toy na anatrofodothsei arnhtika thn pragmatikh oikonomia''.\nSe allo shmeio ths ekqeshs anaferetai oti ``h apokatastash ths oikonomias einai atelhs kai oi kindynoi einai shmantikoi'' kai oti den prepei na yparjei ``kamia xalarwsh sth dynamikh twn metarryqmisewn'', prokeimenoy na enisxyqei h anakamch kai na meiwqei to pososto ths anergias 21%, poy einai ``aparadekta ychlo''.\nTo DNT anaferei oti ``kapoia apo ta basika problhmata ths ispanikhs oikonomias, idiaitera to problhma ths asqenikhs ayjhshs ths paragwgikothtas kai ths dysleitoyrgias ths agoras ergasias prepei na antimetwpisqoyn plhrws'', enw kalese tis ispanikes arxes ``na enisxyoyn peraiterw thn ajiopistia ths dhmosionomikhs prosarmoghs, na oloklhrwsoyn th metarryqmish sto xrhmatopistwtiko tomea kai na dynamwsoyn tis metarryqmiseis sthn agora ergasias''.\nO Proedros twn HPA, Mp. Ompama, qa aporricei tis symboyles toy Pentagwnoy kai qa anakoinwsei apoce thn aposyrsh 30.000 stratiwtwn apo to Afganistan mexri ton Noembrio toy 2012.\nH apofash ayth elhfqh para tis proeidopoihseis twn stratiwtikwn dioikhtwn sto Afganistan oti h asfaleia sth xwra ayth einai eyqraysth. Oi dioikhtes aytoi pisteyoyn oti o Leykos Oikos diepetai twra apo politika kai oxi stratiwtika kinhtra, dhladh tis epomenes proedrikes ekloges stis HPA kai zhtoyn apo ton Proedro Ompama na diathrhsei aqiktes tis stratiwtikes dynameis mexri to 2013.\n"Den aisqanomaste aneta me ayth thn prooptikh", dhlwse sthn efhmerida "Gkarntian" toy Londinoy, enas Bretanos stratiwtikos ajiwmatoyxos.\nMe thn apocinh toy thleoptikh omilia, thn ekth apo tote poy ejelegh Proedros, o Ompama qelei na khryjei thn arxh ths apoxwrhshs twn amerikanikwn strateymatwn apo to Afganistan, poy shmera ftanoyn toys 100.000 andres. Opws epibebaiwse o Leykos Oikos, h aposyrsh ayth qa einai shmantikh.\nO Proedros Ompama qelei na kaqhsyxasei thn koinh gnwmh sth xwra toy, poy einai koyrasmenh apo ton polemo sto Afganistan, o opoios jekinhse prin apo deka xronia kai exei stoixisei th zwh 1.522 Amerikanwn. H ektelesh toy Osama mpin Lanten epespeyse th lhch ths apofashs gia thn apoxwrhsh twn stratiwtwn.\nNees diakopes reymatos anamenontai shmera, logw ths apergias ths GENOP poy exei qesei ektos leitoyrgias monades hlektroparagwghs se Ptolemaida, Megalopolh, Layrio kai Komothnh. Symfwna me phges ths GENOP, gia shmera den programmatizetai h ejodos allhs monadas apo to systhma, alla oi syndikalistes qa epanejetasoyn th stash toys apo ayrio.\nPhges ths DEH aneferan sto APE-MPE oti oi kyliomenes diakopes reymatos sto diasyndedemeno systhma (hpeirwtikh Ellada) qa einai diarkeias mias wras peripoy kai qa ginoyn sto diasthma 12 me 3 to meshmeri (mia wra parapanw se sxesh me xqes opote o programmatismos htan apo 12.30 ews 2.30 to meshmeri). Sthn Krhth anamenontai diakopes apo tis 8.30 ws tis 10 to brady kai sth Rodo apo 7.30 ews 10 to brady, me megisth diarkeia sta nhsia mish wra.\nEpekteinetai kai stis misqwseis akinhtwn, apo tis 9 Ioylioy, h ypoxrewsh ekdoshs Pistopoihtikoy Energeiakhs Apodoshs, poy efarmozetai hdh gia tis agorapwlhsies apo thn arxh toy xronoy.\nTo pistopoihtiko ekdidetai apo energeiakoys epiqewrhtes, kostizei 1 - 2 eyrw ana tetragwniko gia ta spitia kai 2,5 eyrw ana t.m. gia ta loipa ktiria, enw o stoxos poy ejyphretei einai na gnwrizei o agorasths h enoikiasths posh energeia qa xreiazetai na katanalwnei gia qermansh, cyjh, fwtismo, aerismo klp.\nH Omospondia Idiokthtwn Akinhtwn zhthse hdh apo th nea hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Periballontos, Energeias kai Klimatikhs Allaghs dieth anabolh ths ekdoshs energeiakwn pistopoihtikwn gia tis misqwseis, kaqws kai katarghsh (sto plaisio ths politikhs apeleyqerwshs twn epaggelmatwn) twn elaxistwn amoibwn poy problepontai gia toys energeiakoys epiqewrhtes.\nMe ta twrina dedomena pantws, osoi noikiasoyn akinhta meta tis 9 Ioylioy qa prepei na ejasfalisoyn prwta to energeiako pistopoihtiko. O ariqmos prwtokolloy toy pistopoihtikoy prepei na anaferetai sto symfwnhtiko kai h eforia den qa qewrei ta symbolaia an o idiokthths den proskomizei antigrafo toy pistopoihtikoy (antistoixa stis agorapwlhsies oi symbolaiografoi anagrafoyn sta symbolaia ton ariqmo prwtokolloy toy pistopoihtikoy kai episynaptoyn ena antigrafo toy).\nana2html v2.01 run on Wednesday, 22 June 2011 - 10:30:26 UTC


url: = Stigklitz: "Anish metaxeirish"\n Yperchfish toy n/s gia thn prostasia twn daswn ths Anat. Attikhs\n Perihghsh sto monadiko oikosysthma twn Limnwn Xeimaditidas kai Zazarhs\nSynanthsh me ton Dioikhth ths Trapezas ths Ellados Giwrgo Probopoylo qa exei o prwqypoyrgos Giwrgos Papandreoy, stis 14:00 sto Megaro Majimoy.\nNwritera, stis 12:45 qa metabei sto proedriko Megaro, opoy qa ginei dektos apo ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias Karolo Papoylia.\nMesa se ayto to plaisio,o k. Papandreoy tonise oti ta mikra krath den mporoyn na lysoyn mona toys ta problhmata kai aisqanontai oti exoyn olo kai ligoterh dynamh gia na kataferoyn kati tetoio. Etsi, opws anefere, yponomeyontai oi dhmokratikoi qesmoi, prokaleitai megalh httopaqeia kai anadeiknyontai laikistes hgetes, oi opoioi yposxontai magikes lyseis.\nTaytoxrona, eipe, parathreitai anodos toy ratsismoy kai ths jenofobias, poy ginontai ergaleia ekmetalleyshs sta xeria epithdeiwn politikwn.\nO k.Samaras dexthke, sta grafeia ths ND sth Rhgillhs, ton Eyrwpaio Diamesolabhth k. Nikhforo Diamantoyro.\nThn apofasistikothta toy na dhmioyrghsei th nea "Nea Dhmokratia" poy qa antapokrinetai stis apaithseis ths epoxhs poy thn prosdiorizei ws nea Metapoliteysh diemhnyse o k. Samaras, milwntas th Deytera sthn ekdhlwsh gia thn koph pittas ths Grammateias Gynaikeiwn Qematwn.\n``Mia Eyrwph me arxes den qa afhsei thn Ellada na matwsei'' anaferei o brabeymenos me Nompel Oikonomias to 2001 amerikanos oikonomologos Tzozef Stigklitz se arqro toy sth bretanikh efhmerida ``The Guardian'' kai egkalei thn Eyrwpaikh Kentrikh Trapeza gia anish ``metaxeirish'' twn xwrwn-melwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.\n``Yparxoyn dyo synqhkes toy Maastrixt, mia gia tis isxyres kai mia gia tis adynames oikonomies'' anaferei o k. Stigklitz kai ypogrammizei oti to omologoymenws terastio dhmosionomiko elleimma ths Elladas apotelei baros perissotero gia toys idioys toys Ellhnes kai ligotero gia to mellon ths eyrwzwnhs. Anaferei oti o proedros ths Eyrwpaikhs Kentrikhs Trapezas k. Zan Klwnt Trise -o opoios ekane sklhres proeidopoihseis apenanti sthn Ellada- agnoei to gegonos oti yparxoyn diaforetika metra kai staqma, anamesa stoys isxyroys kai stoys asqeneis ths Eyrwzwnhs. Tonizei malista xarakthristika oti, otan to elleimma ths Gallias jeperase to orio toy 3% epi toy AEP, eginan mono frastikes epiplhjeis. ``Einai aplws zhthma megeqoys ths oikonomias'' tonizei.\nKanei logo gia ``baqia rizwmena domika problhmata ths xwras poy dieyrynqhkan ta teleytaia eji xronia'' kai ypogrammizei oti me tis dhlwseis toys oi eyrwpaioi hgetes dysxerainoyn akomh perissotero th qesh ths xwras, kaqws ayjanontai qeamatika ta epitokia me ta opoia kaleitai na apoplhrwsei h Ellada to xreos ths.\n``O Papandreoy exei klhronomhsei mia oikonomikh katastash gia thn opoia den eyqynetai, opws kai o Ompama'' kai amfoteroi kaloyntai na diorqwsoyn ``kolossiaia laqh twn prokatoxwn toys'' ektima o k. Stigklitz kai ypogrammizei oti h EE ``den prepei na strecei ta nwta ths ston ellhniko lao''.\n``O neos prwqypoyrgos ths xwras yphrje pantote ypermaxos ths eilikrineias kai ths diafaneias'' grafei o amerikanos oikonomologos kai shmeiwnei oti h EKT ofeilei na syndramei thn Ellada anti na ekdidei ``me tropo kati parapanw apo aneyqyno'' anakoinwseis peri ths ypobaqmishs ths pistolhptikhs ikanothtas ths xwras apo toys dieqneis oikoys ajiologhshs. Allwste, parathrei o k. Stigklitz, aytes oi ajiologhseis exoyn pleon apodeixqei esfalmenes. Apo th mia pleyra ypobibazoyn ton kindyno twn enypoqhkwn ejasfalisewn enw, taytoxrona, apo thn allh diogkwnoyn diarkws ton dynhtiko kindyno twn dhmosiwn xrewn.\nTonizei, epishs, pws mia yperbolika espeysmenh peristolh toy dhmosionomikoy elleimmatos qa mporoyse na odhghsei thn Ellada se baqia yfesh kai shmeiwnei oti oi braxyproqesmoi stoxoi poy exoyn teqei gia thn adynamh oikonomia ths xwras qa prepei na anaqewrhqoyn kai anti aytoy na epidiwxqei h ejaleich ths anergias.\n``Gia to kalo ths eyrwpaikhs enothtas kai dhmokratias, h E.E. prepei na sthrijei tis prospaqeies toy G. Papandreoy me kaqe tropo kai na mhn gyrisei thn plath ths ston ellhniko lao, o opoios prepei na peistei oti h yposthrijh twn metrwn litothtas einai pros to symferon olwn'' shmeiwnei.\nMe thn katb arxhn synainesh ths Neas Dhmokratias, yperchfisthke to nomosxedio toy ypoyrgeioy Periballontos gia thn prostasia twn kamenwn daswn kai dasikwn ektasewn ths Anatolikhs Attikhs. Sthn sxetikh onomastikh chfoforia poy prokalese o LAOS, h arxh toy nomosxedioy sygkentrwse 243 qetikes chfoys, 16 arnhtikes (apo to KKE kai ton LAOS) kai 12 ``parwn'' apo thn koinoboyleytikh omada toy SYRIZA, o opoios dhlwse pws qa katachfisei sto telos to nomosxedio epi toy synoloy toy.\nShmeiwnetai pantws, pws h Nea Dhmokratia katachfise ta basika arqra toy nomosxedioy - to arqro 1 kai to arqro 9 - odhgwntas ton eishghth toy LAOS, Makh Boridh, na egkalei thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh pws ``egkataleipei toys polites ths Attikhs''. O prwhn yfypoyrgos Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs, Kwstas Kiltidhs, poy eixe dhlwsei pws qa katachfisei to nomosxedio, yperchfise telika, eyqygrammizomenos me thn grammh toy kommatos toy, enw o tomearxhs Periballontos, Kyriakos Mhtsotakhs, qewrhse ``swsth'' thn diatajh ths anastolhs twn oikodomikwn ergasiwn mexri thn oloklhrwsh twn dasikwn xartwn, symplhrwnontas wstoso, pws ``h diadikasia qa prepei na exei oloklhrwqei entos eylogoy xronikoy diasthmatos. Giati, otan qetoyme sygkekrimenoys xronikoys periorismoys, den eimaste panta se qesh na toys thrhsoyme''.\nO eishghths ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, Giwrgos Blaxos, proteine epishs prosqhkes sto nomosxedio poy aforoyn tis perioxes Agios Stefanos kai Mpogiati, opoy yparxoyn prohgoymenes oikodomhseis se anadaswtees perioxes me eyqynh ths dioikhshs. Oi prosqhkes, opws ypogrammise - synetaghsan apo toys dhmarxoys twn perioxwn aytwn.\n``Den mporei na yparjei prosqhkh ryqmishs kaqarws poleodomikwn qematwn se ena tetoio nomosxedio prostasias twn daswn'' apanthse h ka Mpirmpilh. ``Prokeitai ontws gia koinwniko problhma, poy qa prospaqhsoyme na antimetwpisoyme, alla anti ths nomoqetikhs kyrwshs anisxyrwn dioikhtikwn prajewn, qa htan protimoterh h epanejetash toy poleodomikoy kaqestwtos twn perioxwn aytwn kai o eyqygrammismos toy me to plaisio toy nomoqeth''.\nO eishghths toy KKE, Giannhs Gkiokas, xarakthrise to nomosxedio ``antidasiko, poy anoigei to dromo se nees ayqairesies, katapathseis, apwleia dasikoy ploytoy, me tis ejaireseis, thn parakamch twn dasikwn yphresiwn, thn asafeia ston orismo toy dasoys sto arqro 9''.\nO kos Gkiokas, opws kai oi eishghtes ths ND kai toy LAOS, zhthse epishs, epikairopoihsh twn periballontikwn epiptwsewn apo ton XYTA sto Grammatiko, krinontas pws ``ta erga den mporoyn na proxwrhsoyn me ta shmerina periballontika dedomena''.\nO koinoboyleytikos ekproswpos toy LAOS, Ast. Rontoylhs, proteine thn nomimopoihsh twn ayqairetwn, krinontas pws h katedafish toys einai adynath. ``Ti qa kanete me thn Eidikh Yphresia Katedafisewn; Qa anatinajete ta ayqaireta; Eiste kai eyaisqhtos anqrwpos - qa gemisete thn Attikh me mpaza. Pio rizospastiko qa htan na nomimopoihsete ta ayqaireta, symballontas me ton diko sas tropo sthn taktopoihsh twn dhmosionomikwn toy kratoys'' anefere apeyqynomenos sthn ka Mpirmpilh.\nH ypoyrgos Periballontos, kata thn syzhthsh epi twn arqrwn, qelhse na dwsei apanthseis stis epikriseis poy dexqhke kata to diasthma syzhthshs toy. Tonise pws to nomosxedio einai pilotiko kai kata thn diaboyleysh poy prohghqhke, egine apodekto apo thn pleiochfia twn koinwnikwn forewn poy symmeteixan. Epanelabe de, pws h katarghsh toy orismoy toy dasoys toy ``nomoy Dry'' toy 2003, den prokeitai na dhmioyrghsei problhma, kaqws oi dasikoi xartes katastrwnontai hdh me bash isxyoysa ypoyrgikh apofash.\nOi xarakthrismoi twn dasikwn ektasewn, den epafientai ston ekastote dasarxh: ``Syzhtietai stis 25 Febroyarioy sto Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio to prodikastiko erwthma toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias gia ta krithria orismoy toy dasoys kai se 4-5 mhnes perimenoyme thn apofash toy. Gia na mhn exoyme wstoso thn ayqairesia toy dasarxh, qa doyme pws me episthmoniko tropo na lysoyme to problhma sto metabatiko diasthma, me poly safeis odhgies pros toys dasarxes. Boylhsh mas se kaqe periptwsh, einai na pame se enan pio aysthro orismo gia to dasos'' anefere h ka Mpirmpilh.\n``Kapoioi sympolites mas qa mpoyn se peripeteia. Shmera afhnete ena keno. Ayto poy eseis qa deite sto mellon, oi polites qa to plhrwsoyn panakriba'' anefere o eishghths ths Neas Dhmokratias, Giwrgos Blaxos.\n``Einai dynaton na jerei o katapathths ton orismo toy dasoys kai na mhn ton jerei to kratos;'' anarwthqhke apo pleyras SYRIZA, o Panagiwths Lafazanhs. ``Giati perimenete to eyrwpaiko dikasthrio; Emeis den mporoyme na kanoyme enan epikairopoihmeno orismo toy dasoys; Einai dynaton na jerei o katapathths ton orismo toy dasoys kai na mhn ton jerei to kratos; Kai giati ayth h latreia sas gia to Kthmatologio poy ypokaqista th dasikh yphresia sthn syntajh twn dasikwn xartwn;''\n``Kataqetw eggrafo poy dhlwnei thn adynamia twn dasikwn yphresiwn na proboyn sthn katartish twn xartwn me tis paroyses synqhkes stelexwshs. Yparxei pragmati qema stelexwshs toys'' apanthse h ypoyrgos. ``Den qa yparjei kamia apolytws anaqesh. H diadikasia qa einai diagwnistikh kai qa yparxei diafaneia ston tropo poy epeleghsan oi melethtes'' katelhje h ka Mpirmpilh.\nEnas monadikos kosmos apo spania eidh poyliwn kai cariwn, se ena ejairetikoy kalloys fysiko periballon, "jediplwnetai" mprosta sta matia twn episkeptwn toy Kentroy Plhroforhshs twn Limnwn Xeimaditidas kai Zazarhs, sto nomo Flwrinas.\nOi episkeptes toy Kentroy Plhroforhshs twn dyo limnwn, poy brisketai se apostash molis dyo xiliometrwn apo to dhmotiko diamerisma Agiwn Anargyroy, toy dhmoy Aetoy Flwrinas, exoyn th dynatothta na anakalycoyn th spania xlwrida kai panida toy monadikoy aytoy oikosysthmatos, mesa apo to programma jenaghshs poy prosferei to Kentro.\nTo Kentro einai xtismeno stis oxqes ths limnhs Xeimaditidas, opoy synantame polla eidh poyliwn, merika ek twn opoiwn spania kai pagkosmiws apeiloymena. Allwste, to oikosysthma twn dyo limnwn anhkei sto eyrwpaiko diktyo prostateyomenwn perioxwn NATURA 2000.\nH jenaghsh jekina apo thn aiqoysa ypodoxhs, opoy oi episkeptes enhmerwnontai gia thn istoria twn tessarwn synolika limnwn toy lekanopedioy Amyntaioy (ektos twn dyo proanaferomenwn, h limnh twn Petrwn kai h Begoritida), to gewmorfologiko anaglyfo ths perioxhs, toys ydroforoys orizontes poy syndeoyn tis limnes metajy toys, kaqws kai gia merikoys apo toys "katoikoys" kai syxnoys "episkeptes" ths perioxhs, opws o lykos, h bidra kai h arkoyda.\nSthn aiqoysa probolhs ginontai paroysiaseis -se morfh video kai powerpoint- gia th xlwrida kai thn panida twn dyo limnwn, enw o episkepths mporei, epishs, na brei ekei plhrofories gia ta eidh cariwn poy briskontai stis limnes, gia ena sygkekrimeno eidos dentroy, to sklhqro, kaqws kai gia ta ygrolibada.\nSto parathrhthrio, o episkepths mporei na parathrhsei ta poylia me kialia kai na parei mia "geysh" apo to pws ginotan ta palaiotera xronia h alieia kai h agorapwlhsia cariwn. Malista, sto xwro ektiqetai kai mia palia jylinh barka, poy xrhsimopoioyntan sthn alieia.\nH Zazarh kai h Xeimaditida, mazi me th limnh Petrwn kai th Begoritida apoteloyn kataloipa ths limnhs ths Eordaias, poy eftane se ektash ta 1.000 xlm2 kai megisto baqos 250 m. Logw enos gewlogikoy fainomenoy ejafanisthke kai afhse kataloipa tis tesseris limnes. Yparxoyn polles istories kai qryloi gia th dhmioyrgia twn limnwn aytwn, enw h istorikh synexeia twn anqrwpwn ths perioxhs apodeiknyetai apo anaskafes poy eginan, apo palaiotatwn xronwn, ki eferan sto fws limnaioys oikismoys kai mia terastia nekropolh 8.000 etwn.\nH Zazarh einai mia grafikh limnh, glykoy neroy, sth Dytikh Makedonia. Einai abaqhs kai pagwnei syxna to xeimwna. Phre to onoma ths apo ton prwto idiokthth ths kai legetai, epishs, mikrolimnh, se antiqesh me th megalh limnh, th Xeimaditida. H limnh Zazarh einai mia apo tis omorfoteres limnes ths Elladas, brisketai se ycometro 602 metra, exei embadon peripoy 2 tetragwnika xiliometra kai megisto mhkos 2 xiliometra To megisto baqos ayths ths limnhs einai 8,30 metra kai to meso baqos 5,5 metra. Trofodoteitai me nera apo th lekanh aporrohs ths kai ton xeimarro toy Sklhqroy (apofygh plhmmyrwn kai tamieysh neroy gia ardeysh). Ta problhmata ths limnhs einai h prosammwsh, poy empodizei thn wotokia twn cariwn kai h paranomh alieia, thn periodo ths anaparagwghs.\nThn periodo ths ardeyshs, h staqmh ths limnhs meiwnetai kata 1.20 m. Sta boreioanatolika ths limnes yparxei qeioyxos qermophgh (mpania), poy to nero ths einai eyergetiko gia reymatikes kai dermatologikes paqhseis.\nH Xeimaditida trofodoteitai me nera apo tis lekanes aporrohs ths kai epishs apo ta pleonazonta nera ths limnhs Zazarhs, mesw ths enwtikhs diwrygas metajy twn dyo limnwn. Ta dika ths pleonazonta nera, mesw toy kanalioy toy Amynta, katalhgoyn sth limnh twn Petrwn. H limnh Xeimaditida einai megalyterh apo th Zazarh, me ektash 10,8 tetragwnika xiliometra kai megisto mhkos 6,3 xiliometra. Einai omws rhxoterh, me to meso baqos ths na mhn jeperna to ena metro kai to megisto ta tria metra. Exei ektetamenes elwdeis ektaseis kai to 70-80% ths limnhs kalyptetai apo kalamiwnes. Dexetai pieseis apo astikes kai gewrgikes drasthriothtes kai einai eytrofikh. Phre thn onomasia ths logw twn xeimadiwn poy briskontai boreiodytika kai ekei jexeimwniazan me ta kopadia toys oi katoikoi toy Lexoboy.\nH limnh twn Petrwn brisketai dytika ths Begoritidas. H epifaneia ths exei ektash 8 tetragwnika xiliometra, megisto mhkos 6 xiliometra, meso baqos ena metro, enw to megisto baqos ths den jeperna ta 3,5 metra. Einai abaqhs kai pagwnei to xeimwna. Enwnetai mesw enwtikhs diwrygas me th limnh Begoritida. Trofodoteitai me nera apo ta pleonazonta nera twn limnwn Zazarhs kai Xeimaditidas kaqws kai apo tis lekanes aporrohs ths. Einai eytrofikh kai dexetai astikes kai gewrgikes pieseis. Sth limnh yparxei poikilia erwdiwn kai ekei fwliazoyn kai anaparagontai ta eidh toy nyxtokoraka, toy kryptotsiknia kai toy leykotsiknia, poy metabainoyn sth limnh Xeimaditida gia anazhthsh trofhs, epeidh einai ploysia se caria aspondyla.\nH limnh Begoritida anhkei stoys nomoys Pellas-Kozanhs-Flwrinas. Exei ektash 68xlm2 kai megisto baqos 65m. kai htan h baqyterh limnh sthn Ellada. Ta teleytaia xronia exei meiwqei h epifaneia ths kai to baqos ths. Einai to xamhlotero shmeio toy symplegmatos twn 4 limnwn. Trofodoteitai me ta pleonazonta nera twn 3 limnwn kai tis lekanes aporrohs ths kai trofodotei me nero tis monades ths DEH ston Agra kai thn Ptolemaida, kaqws kai thn polh ths Ptolemaidas. Oi anqrwpogeneis drasthriothtes ephreazoyn oysiastika thn trofikh katastash kai to ydatiko isozygio, me apotelesma th syrriknwsh toy ydatinoy ogkoy kai thn ptwsh ths staqmhs. An den anastrafei h katastash ths, h limnh den qa yfistatai pleon.\nMexri to '50, oi dyo limnes eixan apeyqeias trofodothsh apo tis aporroes twn lekanwn toys. Oi xeimarroi toy Aetoy kai toy Sklhqroy katelhgan sto elos ths Xeimaditidas. Sto idio elos apofortizontan kai to pleonasma ths Xeimaditidas kai ta nera katelhgan sth limnh twn Petrwn, mesw toy reymatos toy Amynta.\nSth dekaetia toy '50, sth Begoritida apojhrainetai to elos Sari Gkiol, me thn tafro toy Soyloy. Kataskeyazetai h ypogeia shragga, apo th Begoritida pros ton Agra, gia na metaferei nero ston Agra kai meiwnetai h staqmh ths Begoritidas, logw ths antlhshs nerwn gia thn cyjh twn staqmwn paragwghs reymatos apo thn DEH.\nStis arxes toy '60 kataskeyazetai to prwto apostraggistiko ergo ths Xeimaditidas, perilambanomenhs mia kentrikhs tafroy, 14 apostraggistikwn diwrygwn kaqws kai kapoiwn deytereyoyswn tafrwn. H apostraggish prosferei 22.000 stremmata, ta opoia dianemhqhkan stoys katoikoys. Epishs, ginetai h ektroph toy xeimarroy toy Sklhqroy pros th Zazarh kaqws kai h enwtikh diwryga Zazarhs-Xeimaditidas kaqws kai h epektash toy straggistikoy diktyoy.\nTo 1962-1963 anoigetai kai h diwryga Petrwn-Begoritidas, enw se neoteroys xronoys ginetai dieyqethsh kai egkibwtismos twn xeimarrwn Sklhqroy-Aetoy. Shmera, einai ypo kataskeyh to ergo anycwshs kai steganopoihshs toy anaxwmatos ths Xeimaditidas gia na epiteyxqei anycwsh ths staqmhs ths limnhs.\nGia "diaxronika laqh" sthn agrotikh politikh ekane logo o proedros toys LAOS Giwrgos Kratzaferhs, se dhlwseis toy meta apo synanthsh poy eixe me ekproswpoys agrotwn apo th Larisa, th Flwrina kai to Amyntaio\nDyo ebdomades meta to seismo poy sygklonise thn Aith, me toys nekroys na fqanoys toys ekaton penhnta xiliades, h gh ejakoloyqei na doneitai. To amerikaniko institoyto gewfysikhs anakoinwse oti ta jhmerwmata ths Triths (05:00 - topikh wra) egine metaseismos isxyos 4,4 baqmwn ths klimakas Rixter. Oi katoikoi toy Port-o-Prens kai jenoi dhmosiografoi aneferan oti mia wra argotera egine allh mia metaseismikh donhsh antistoixhs isxyos. Meta toys fonikoys seismoys perissoteroi apo oxtakosies xiliades einai oi astegoi sth xwra kai opws anakoinwqhke mesw apostolhs toy OHE, o proedros Rene Prebal zhthse peripoy 200 xiliades skhnes.\nana2html v2.01 run on Wednesday, 27 January 2010 - 7:30:41 UTC


url: =Greek Government Press Briefing, 03-12-15\nAqhna, 15 Dekembrioy 2003\nOpws gnwrizete, o Prwqypoyrgos brisketai sto Londino, opoy ayth thn wra synantatai me ton Bretano omologo toy Tony Mpler. O Prwqypoyrgos qa epistrecei sthn Aqhna ayrio to apogeyma.\n@ To brady qa exei synanthsh me ton Proedro ths Syrias Asant.\nThn Pempth, qa synedriasei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio me qema thn politikh mas gia tis mikromesaies epixeirhseis.\n@ Meta th synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, o Prwqypoyrgos qa episkefqei to Tameio Eggyodosias Mikrwn kai Poly Mikrwn Epixeirhsewn, ena neo qesmo poy exei dhmioyrghqei.\nKWNSTANTINIDHS: H chfoforia egine telika sta katexomena. Qa elega oti yphrje mia nikh twn antipoliteyomenwn kommatwn, alla xwris antikrisma. To kleidi twra, ap` o,ti legetai sthn Kypro, einai sta xeria toy Ntenktas kai ths Agkyras. Qa hqela kai tis dikes sas apoceis sto zhthma ayto.\nPRWTOPAPAS: H kybernhsh qelei na ekfrasei thn ikanopoihsh ths, giati para tis antijoes synqhkes poy epikrathsan, to apotelesma ayths ths chfoforias, poy egine sta katexomena dinei ena mhnyma poy einai mhnyma apodokimasias ths politikhs poy akoloyqei h toyrkikh pleyra. Ena mhnyma apodokimasias ths politikhs poy akoloyqhse o k. Ntenktas. Alla, ean qelete na to ektimhsoyme kai qetika, einai ena mhnyma eirhnhs, symfiliwshs, einai ena mhnyma gia thn anagkaia analhch prwtoboyliwn kai apo thn toyrkokypriakh pleyra gia thn epanenwsh toy nhsioy. Paramenei, bebaia, gegonos oti h politikh se sxesh me thn Kypro kaqorizetai kyriws apo thn Toyrkia. Exw thn ektimhsh, omws, oti meta to apotelesma aytwn twn eklogwn, exei oles tis dynatothtes h Toyrkia gia na analabei tis anagkaies prwtoboylies, allazontas thn politikh ths, prokeimenoy na yparjei h anagkaia enarjh twn diapragmateysewn, me bash to Sxedio Anan kai na dromologhsoyme tis diadikasies, gia na fqasoyme se politikh lysh to Kypriako, me bash tis apofaseis toy OHE.\nLAMPRAKOS: Pws elabe o Prwqypoyrgos, epeidh ton enhmerwsate eseis, tis dhlwseis toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn, en pthsei, gia th diadoxh sto PASOK, legontas oti einai parwn;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei kanena qema na sxoliasei h kybernhsh. En pash periptwsei, epeidh polloi apo esas moy exete thlefwnhsei kai me exete rwthsei, den qa koyrastw na epanalabw oti to PASOK proxwrei dynamika mprosta. Stis ekloges qa pame me epikefalhs ton Kwsta Shmith kai me ola ta stelexh sthn prwth grammh.\nTAKHS: Alhqeyei h plhroforia oti o k. Papandreoy eixe enhmerwsei ton Prwqypoyrgo prin kanei aytes tis dhlwseis;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Den qa mpoyme se mia syzhthsh poy qa exei tetoio xarakthra. Sas eipa oti den yparxei kanena qema gia na sxoliasei h kybernhsh. Sas epanalambanw gia pollosth fora oti to PASOK proxwrei dynamika mprosta, oti stis ekloges qa pame me epikefalhs ton Kwsta Shmith kai me ola ta stelexh sthn prwth grammh.\nTAKHS: Egw allo rwthsa. Rwthsa, ean eixe ginei synanthsh twn dyo andrwn prin o k. Papandreoy probei stis sygkekrimenes dhlwseis.\nPRWTOPAPAS: Menw se ayto poy eipa. Einai apolytws safes kai den xreiazetai kati allo. Den yparxei kanena qema.\nPAPPA: O k. Papandreoy eipe xqes oti yparxei eyrwpaikh qesh gia ton k. Shmith, ean ekeinos to hqele. Qa hqela na mas peite, poia einai h eyrwpaikh qesh, sthn opoia exei piqanothtes o k. Shmiths;\nPRWTOPAPAS: H dhlwsh moy kalyptei ta panta. Den yfistatai qema sxoliasmoy.\nSIDERHS: Mas ypotimate, estw kai an ta senaria ayta jekinhsan apo th Dejia@\nPRWTOPAPAS: Eseis den fantazomai oti eiste ekproswpos ths@\nSIDERHS: Na synexisw. Enw mas eixe dioxeteyqei oti stoys jenoys antapokrites o Prwqypoyrgos qa ``ta ekobe me to maxairi'', frontise na ta diaiwnisei. Erxetai xqes o k. Papandreoy kai ta anazwpyrwnei. Eseis den qelete na mas peite tipota.\nPRWTOPAPAS: Etsi katalabate; Eipa safws.\nSIDERHS: Apo esas jekinane kai anazwpyrwnontai ta senaria.\nSOYGLERHS: H xronikh stigmh sxetizetai me to gkalop ths efhmeridas ``Kaqhmerinh'' poy xqes miloyse gia yperoxh toy k. Papandreoy, me pososto poy ton deixnei fabori, ws epomeno arxhgo sto PASOK, opote ginei ayto;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Sas parapempw sth dhlwsh moy.\nKWNSTANTOPOYLOS: Dhlwseis san aytes poy ekane o k. Papandreoy, oso ki an qelete eseis na mhn tis sxoliasete, den dhmioyrgoyn ena arnhtiko klima sthn kybernhsh kai genikotera ston kosmo;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei qema gia na sxoliasei h kybernhsh.\nSIDERHS: Otan ginontai tetoies dhlwseis kai anazwpyrwnontai ta senaria, den xanei h kybernhsh, mia kai leei oti qelei na dwsei@\nPRWTOPAPAS: H agwnia sas gia thn kybernhsh einai sygkinhtikh.\nBITALHS: O ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn se ayth th syzhthsh poy eixe, eipe oti to PASOK prepei na diatypwsei mia aytokritikh, to idio kai o Prwqypoyrgos. Edw exete kapoio sxolio;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Den eipe etsi.\nBITALHS: Etsi eipe kai anagrafetai se oles tis efhmerides.\nPRWTOPAPAS: Den eipe kati tetoio gia ton Prwqypoyrgo.\nBITALHS: Eipe oti to PASOK prepei na diatypwsei aytokritikh.\nPRWTOPAPAS: Gia ton Prwqypoyrgo den eipe tipota. Apo kei kai pera, den nomizw oti yparxei logos na sxoliasoyme kati.\nKALARITHS: H atzenta ths synanthshs toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Bretano omologo toy k. Mpler, poia einai;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Ef` olhs ths ylhs kai eidikotera o,ti afora qemata poy exoyn sxesh me thn Eyrwph, thn politikh ths kai ta dimerh problhmata me th Bretania.\nKALARITHS: Kai me thn kalych, endexomenws, kapoiwn qesewn se eyrwpaikwn epipedo; Qa syzhthqei ayto to qema;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Ti sxesh exei ayto;\nKALARITHS: Epeidh exoyme ejelijeis@\nPRWTOPAPAS: Den qa exoyme ejelijeis.\nKANELLOPOYLOS: Me ton k. Mpler, o Prwqypoyrgos qa syzhthsei, eipate ef` olhs ths ylhs, kai to endexomeno metabashs toy sthn Eyrwph, gia qesh@\nPRWTOPAPAS: Den yfistatai tetoio anoixto qema.\nKANELLOPOYLOS: @opws, epishs, kai to qema twn Marmarwn toy Parqenwna;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Bebaiws, to qema twn Glyptwn toy Parqenwna. Fantazomai oti qa syzhthqei. Apo kei kai pera, o Prwqypoyrgos qa mas enhmerwsei, amesws meta th synanthsh toy me ton Bretano omologo toy. Alla, to qema twn Glyptwn einai ena zhthma poy apasxolei.\nMPOTWNHS: Se dhlwseis toy o k. Mhtsotakhs sto MEGA, metajy allwn yposthrizei kai ektima oti h katastrofh ths oikonomias einai ayth poy qa odhghsei se prowres ekloges. H N.D. qa klhronomhsei kamenh gh kai eipe xarakthristika oti qa prepei na ginei perioristikh politikh, litothta kai kapoioi mporei na xasoyn th doyleia toys.\nPRWTOPAPAS: O k. Mhtsotakhs htan akrws diafwtistikos, shmera. Teleytaia eidame dyo anafores stelexwn ths N.D., oi opoies teinoyn se ena koino symperasma. H mia einai toy arxhgoy ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs K. Karamanlh (anaferomai sth xqesinh synenteyjh toy sthn ``Kaqhmerinh'') kai h deyterh einai h shmerinh synenteyjh toy epitimoy Proedroy ta N.D. k. Mhtsotakh sto MEGA. Kai oi dyo synenteyjeis, estw kai me diaforetika logia, teinoyn se ena koino symperasma. H N.D. exei epilejei to montelo ths portogalikhs dejias. Opws kaqara omologhse o k. Mhtsotakhs, epifylassei litothta gia toys ergazomenoys, kalei toys Ellhnes na ``sfijoyn to zwnari'' kai toys proeidopoiei oti qa yparjoyn dysmeneis allages sto ergasiako kai asfalistiko kaqestws. Einai, omws, safes oti to montelo ths portogalikhs dejias exei odhghsei se ypanaptyjh, ajeperasta koinwnika problhmata, entones koinwnikes sygkroyseis kai dysmeneis ejelijeis gia toys ergazomenoys. Rwtame, loipon, th N.D.: Ayth einai h qesh ths; Kaloyme to lalistato ekproswpo ths N.D. na topoqethqei kaqara. To kryfo programma toys exei apokalyfqei kai ofeiloyn, epiteloys, na topoqethqoyn kaqara panw se ayto.\nLAMPRAKOS: Meta th dhmosiopoihsh toy qematos, sxetika me ton k. Qeodwroy, o Prwqypoyrgos pws antedrase; Ti zhthse;\nPRWTOPAPAS: O idios o Prwqypoyrgos zhthse na yparjei ereyna panw sta sygkekrimena qemata. Zhthsame na lamcei plhrws h alhqeia kai anamenoyme, ayth th stigmh, to porisma ths ereynas. Amesws meta th dhmosiopoihsh toy porismatos qa laboyme tis apofaseis mas, me bash ta osa problepei to porisma.\nLAMPRAKOS: Ejetazete to endexomeno na einai o k. Qeodwroy ypochfios;\nPRWTOPAPAS: To kalytero poy exoyme na kanoyme, ayth th stigmh, einai na perimenoyme to porisma. Emeis zhthsame na epitaxynqei kai na yparjei kaqarh topoqethsh se ayta ta zhthmata. Na eiste bebaioi oti, me bash thn kaqarh topoqethsh poy qa prokycei apo to porisma, qa paroyme tis apofaseis mas. Ayth th stigmh, omws, einai prowro na topoqethqoyme.\nLAMPRAKOS: To afhnete anoikto, ean qa einai h oxi ypochfios.\nPRWTOPAPAS: Apo th stigmh poy diejagetai mia ereyna, den mporw na prodikasw apolytws tipota. Qa leitoyrghsoyme me bash ta stoixeia kai oxi me ypocies kai opoiasdhpote morfhs dhmosies anafores.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Pote zhthse o Prwqypoyrgos na ginei ayth h ereyna;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Apo thn arxh. Dhladh, peripoy telos ths anoijhs, arxes kalokairioy.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Yphrxan aytes oi skies diaxeirishs kai gia ton k. Qeodwroy.\nPRWTOPAPAS: Gia ton k. Qeodwroy den yphrxe tipota. Qelw na eimai safhs. Yphrjan kapoies anafores, poy efqasan sthn kybernhsh, gia stelexos Epitropwn Diaxeirishs. Kai epeidh gia tetoia qemata den shkwnoyme ``myga sto spaqi mas'' diataxqhke telos ths anoijhs, arxes kalokairioy, h ereyna, h opoia exei proxwrhsei kai anamenetai to porisma.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Apo thn anoijh; Toso poly;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Den einai eykola pragmata ayta. H ereyna ginetai se baqos kai afora pragmata poy den ta exoyme mprosta mas. Prepei na cajoyme gia na broyme kati kai ayth th stigmh ayto kanoyme. Mhn amfisbhtoyme pragmata. Epiteloys, yparxei kai ena orio sthn politikh antiparaqesh.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Exei epembei eisaggeleas se ayth thn ereyna;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Diejagetai ereyna apo tis armodies astynomikes arxes kai den pisteyw na tis amfisbhteite. Oi eisaggeleis, apo th stigmh poy gnwrizoyn oti diejagetai ereyna, parakoloyqoyn thn ypoqesh. Molis ekdoqei to porisma kai prokycoyn endeijeis ajiopoinhs prajhs, qa parembei o eisaggeleas. Etsi ginetai panta.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Oi astynomikes arxes caxnoyn kai tis kataqeseis stis trapezes, xwris entolh eisaggelea;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Yparxei sxetikh kalych gia ereyna. Dhladh, h entolh gia thn ereyna yparxei.\nDHMOSIOGRAFOS: Giati o k. Papaggelopoylos zhthse na epispeytoyn oi diadikasies;\nPRWTOPAPAS: H entolh yparxei. Me bash ta stoixeia ths ereynas, qa yparjei sth synexeia askhsh diwjhs h mh. Ayto qa to ektimhsei o eisaggeleas.\nKANELLOPOYLOS: Twra, eipate, me bash ta stoixeia ths ereynas. Kai prin apo ligo eipate, oti den mporoyme ayth th stigmh na paroyme apofaseis me ypocies.\nPRWTOPAPAS: Eipa, oyte me ypocies, oyte me anafores. Anefera oles tis periptwseis.\nKANELLOPOYLOS: Profanws, yparxoyn stoixeia gia na ginei h ereyna.\nPRWTOPAPAS: Sas eipa oti yphrjan kapoies plhrofories, kapoies anafores. Ti ofeile na kanei h kybernhsh; Ofeile na diatajei ereyna, opws kanei panta se aytes tis periptwseis. O Prwqypoyrgos einai kaqetos se ayta. Den qelei na yparxei kamia skia. Apofasisame, loipon, me entolh toy idioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy, na ginei h ereyna. Kai apo ta apotelesmata ths ereynas qa lhfqoyn oi opoies politikes h poinikes apofaseis. To kalytero poy exoyme na kanoyme einai na perimenoyme ta apotelesmata.\nKANELLOPOYLOS: Eprepe, loipon, na to apokalycei h ``Apogeymatinh'' gia na kanoyme ayth th syzhthsh; Giati den to anakoinwsate;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Ginetai ereyna poy exei proxwrhsei se baqos. H ereyna den diejagetai mystika. Th gnwrizoyn kai o eisaggeleas kai h astynomia.\nKANELLOPOYLOS: Briskomaste, omws, se proeklogikh periodo kai hqika qa elega afora to qema ena stelexos ths kybernhshs.\nPRWTOPAPAS: Efoson den exei bgei to porisma, den qa anaferqw se tipota,\nKANELLOPOYLOS: Milhsa gia hqiko qema.\nPRWTOPAPAS: Ligh ypomonh, wspoy na bgei to porisma.\nKANELLOPOYLOS: Giati den egine tipota gnwsto;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Diatajame thn ereyna kai enhmerwqhkan o eisaggeleas kai h astynomia. Molis ekdoqei to porisma, qa ginoyn ola gnwsta.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Gia ton k. Smpwko exei ginei kapoia ereyna;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Giati na ginei ereyna;\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Giati me kapoies skies diaxeirishs, emeine ektos listas.\nPRWTOPAPAS: Den yparxei kamia skia diaxeirishs.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Giati emeine ektos listas o k. Smpwkos;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Giati politika etsi apofasise to PASOK.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Den yphrxe, dhladh, kati to mempto;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Ean krinei to PASOK oti to chfodeltio prepei na exei mia allh domh, mporei na to apofasisei.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Sthn Kentrikh Epitroph milhsan gia skies diaxeirishs.\nPRWTOPAPAS: Oydeis milhse gia skies diaxeirishs. O idios o k. Smpwkos eipe oti den yparxei skia diaxeirishs.\nSTAMATOPOYLOS: Sto Ektelestiko Grafeio ti eipan;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Den exw tetoia endeijh.\nMPOTWNHS: H syllhch toy Santam Xoysein allazei ta dedomena sthn perioxh kai ti shmainei ayto genikotera;\nPRWTOPAPAS: Epeidh o k. Mhtsotakhs biasthke se ayto to shmeio, prepei na sas pw oti o Prwqypoyrgos exei steilei thlegrafhma pros ton Amerikano Proedro Mpoys. Einai gegonos oti h syllhch toy Santam Xoysein kleinei ena kefalaio. Dinei th dynatothta na proxwrhsei h epitaxynsh twn diadikasiwn gia thn omalopoihsh ths katastashs kai thn epistrofh twn dhmokratikwn ejelijewn sto Irak.\nkyber2html v1.05c run on Monday, 15 December 2003 - 14:05:13 UTC


url: =Read Online Bible - Modern Greek Bible online on Jesus Work Ministry 2 Chronicles Chapter 2:1-18.\n2CHRON 2:1  Kai apefasisen o Solomwn na oikodomhsh oikon eiV to onoma tou Kuriou kai oikon basilikon eiV eauton,\n2CHRON 2:2 Kai hriqmhsen o Solomwn ebdomhkonta ciliadaV andrwn acqoforwn, kai ogdohkonta ciliadaV liqotomwn en tw orei, kai treiV ciliadaV exakosiouV epistataV ep' autwn.\n2CHRON 2:3 Kai apesteilen o Solomwn proV Couram ton basilea thV Turou, legwn, KaqwV ekameV eiV ton Dabid ton patera mou, kai epemyaV proV auton kedrouV dia na oikodomhsh eiV eauton oikon na katoikhsh en autw, outw kame kai eiV eme.\n2CHRON 2:4 Idou, egw oikodomw oikon eiV to onoma Kuriou tou Qeou mou, dia na kaqierwsw touton eiV auton, dia na prosferhtai enwpion autou qumiama euwdiaV kai oi pantoteinoi artoi thV proqesewV kai ta olokautwmata ta prwina kai esperina, en toiV sabbasi kai en taiV neomhniaiV kai en taiV epishmoiV eortaiV Kuriou tou Qeou hmwn× touto einai creoV tou Israhl eiV ton aiwna.\n2CHRON 2:5 Kai o oikoV ton opoion oikodomw einai megaV× dioti megaV o QeoV hmwn uper pantaV touV qeouV.\n2CHRON 2:6 Alla tiV dunatai na oikodomhsh eiV auton oikon, enw o ouranoV kai o ouranoV twn ouranwn den einai ikanoi na cwreswsin auton; TiV de eimai egw, wste na oikodomhsw oikon eiV auton; eimh monon dia na qusiazw enwpion autou;\n2CHRON 2:7 Twra loipon aposteilon proV eme andra sofon eiV to na ergazhtai eiV cruson kai eiV arguron kai eiV calkon kai eiV sidhron kai eiV porfuran kai eiV kokkinon kai eiV kuanoun, kai episthmona eiV to egglufein glufaV meta twn sofwn twn met' emou en th Ioudaia kai en th Ierousalhm, touV opoiouV Dabid o pathr mou htoimasen.\n2CHRON 2:8 Aposteilon moi kai xula kedrina, peukina kai xula algoumeim ek tou Libanou× dioti egw gnwrizw oti oi douloi sou exeurousi na koptwsi xula en tw Libanw× kai idou, oi douloi mou qelousin eisqai meta twn doulwn sou,\n2CHRON 2:9 dia na etoimaswsin eiV eme xula en afqonia× dioti o oikoV ton opoion egw oikodomw qelei eisqai megaV kai qaumastoV.\n2CHRON 2:10 Kai idou, qelw dwsei eiV touV doulouV sou touV xulotomouV eikosi ciliadaV korouV sitou kopanismenou, kai eikosi ciliadaV korouV kriqhV, kai eikosi ciliadaV baq oinou, kai eikosi ciliadaV baq elaiou.\n2CHRON 2:11  Kai apekriqh o Couram o basileuV thV Turou di' epistolhV, thn opoian esteile proV ton Solomwnta, Epeidh o KurioV hgaphse ton laon autou, se katesthse basilea ep' autouV×\n2CHRON 2:12 eipen eti o Couram, EuloghtoV KurioV o QeoV tou Israhl, o poihthV tou ouranou kai thV ghV, ostiV edwken eiV ton Dabid ton basilea uion sofon, econta fronhsin kai sunesin, ostiV qelei oikodomhsei oikon eiV ton Kurion kai oikon basilikon eiV eauton×\n2CHRON 2:13 apostellw loipon twra anqrwpon sofon, econta sunesin, tou Couram tou patroV mou,\n2CHRON 2:14 uion gunaikoV ek twn qugaterwn Dan kai patroV Turiou, episthmona eiV to na ergazhtai eiV cruson kai eiV arguron, eiV calkon, eiV sidhron, eiV liqouV kai eiV xula, eiV porfuran, eiV kuanoun kai eiV busson kai eiV kokkinon× kai eiV to egglufein pan eidoV glufhV, kai efeuriskein pasan efeuresin eiV o, ti problhqh eiV auton, meta twn sofwn sou kai meta twn sofwn tou kuriou mou Dabid tou patroV sou×\n2CHRON 2:15 twra loipon ton siton kai thn kriqhn, to elaion kai ton oinon, ta opoia o kurioV mou eipen, aV steilh proV touV doulouV autou×\n2CHRON 2:16 kai hmeiV qelomen koyei xula ek tou Libanou, kata pasan thn creian sou, kai qelomen ferei auta proV se me scediaV dia qalasshV eiV Iopphn× kai su qeleiV anabibasei auta eiV Ierousalhm.\n2CHRON 2:17 Kai hriqmhsen o Solomwn pantaV touV andraV touV xenouV touV en gh Israhl, meta ton ariqmon kaq' on Dabid o pathr autou hriqmhsen autouV× kai eureqhsan ekaton penthkonta treiV ciliadeV kai exakosioi.\n2CHRON 2:18 Kai ex autwn ekamen ebdomhkonta ciliadaV acqoforwn, kai ogdohkonta ciliadaV liqotomwn en tw orei, kai treiV ciliadaV exakosiouV ergodiwktaV epi ton laon.


url: =Read Online Bible - Modern Greek Bible online on Jesus Work Ministry Isaiah Chapter 8:1-22.\nIS 8:1  Kai eipe KurioV proV eme, Labe eiV seauton tomon megan, kai grayon en autw dia grafidoV anqrwpou peri tou Macer-salal-caV-baz×\nIS 8:2 Kai parelabon eiV emauton pistouV marturaV, Ourian ton ierea kai Zacarian ton uion tou Iebereciou.\nIS 8:3 Kai proshlqon proV thn profhtissan, htiV sunelabe kai egennhsen uion. Kai eipe KurioV proV eme, Kaleson to onoma autou Macer-salal-caV-baz\nIS 8:4 dioti prin maqh to paidion na proferh, Pater mou kai mhter mou, ta plouth thV Damaskou kai ta lafura thV SamareiaV qelousi diarpacqh emprosqen tou basilewV thV AssuriaV.\nIS 8:5 Kai elalhsen eti KurioV proV eme, legwn,\nIS 8:6 Epeidh o laoV outoV apebale ta udata tou Silwam ta reonta hsucwV, kai cairei eiV ton Resin kai eiV ton uion tou Remalia,\nIS 8:7 dia touto, idou, o KurioV anabibazei ep' autouV ta udata tou potamou, ta dunata kai ta polla, ton basilea thV AssuriaV kai pasan thn doxan autou× kai qelei uperbh panta ta aulakia autou kai plhmmurhsei pasaV taV ocqaV autou\nIS 8:8 kai qelei perasei dia tou Iouda, qelei plhmmurhsei kai uperanabh, qelei fqasei mecri laimou kai to exaplwma twn pterugwn autou qelei gemisei to platoV thV ghV sou, Emmanouhl.\nIS 8:9  Enwqhte, laoi, kai qelete katakoph× kai akroasqhte, panteV oi en toiV escatoiV thV ghV× zwsqhte, kai qelete katakoph× zwsqhte, kai qelete katakoph.\nIS 8:10 Bouleuqhte boulhn, kai qelei mataiwqh× lalhsate logon, kai den qelei staqh dioti meq' hmwn o QeoV.\nIS 8:11 Dioti outwV elalhse KurioV proV eme en ceiri krataia, kai me edidaxe na mh peripatw en th odw tou laou toutou, legwn,\nIS 8:12 Mh eiphte, Sunwmosia, peri pantoV ekeinou, peri tou opoiou o laoV outoV qelei eipei, Sunwmosia kai ton fobon autou mh fobhqhte mhde tromaxhte.\nIS 8:13 Ton Kurion twn dunamewn, auton agiasate kai autoV aV hnai o foboV saV kai autoV aV hnai o tromoV saV.\nIS 8:14 Kai qelei eisqai dia agiasthrion qelei eisqai omwV dia petran proskommatoV kai dia bracon ptwsewV eiV touV duo oikouV tou Israhl dia pagida kai dia brocon eiV touV katoikouV thV Ierousalhm.\nIS 8:15 Kai polloi qelousi proskoyei ep' auta kai pesei kai suntrifqh kai pagideuqh kai piasqh.\nIS 8:16  Deson thn marturian, sfragison ton nomon metaxu twn maqhtwn mou.\nIS 8:17 Egw de qelw perimeinei ton Kurion, ostiV kruptei to proswpon autou apo tou oikou Iakwb, kai ep' auton qelw eisqai pepoiqwV.\nIS 8:18 Idou, egw kai ta paidia, ta opoia moi edwken o KurioV, dia shmeia kai terastia eiV ton Israhl para tou Kuriou twn dunamewn, tou katoikountoV en tw orei Siwn.\nIS 8:19 Kai otan saV eipwsin, Erwthsate touV econtaV pneuma manteiaV kai touV nekromanteiV, touV mormurizontaV kai yiqurizontaV, apokriqhte, O laoV den qelei erwthsei ton Qeon autou; qelei prostrexei eiV touV nekrouV peri twn zwntwn;\nIS 8:20 EiV ton nomon kai eiV thn marturian ean den lalwsi kata ton logon touton, bebaiwV den einai fwV en autoiV.\nIS 8:21 Kai qelousi perasei di' authV thV ghV sklhrwV bebarhmenoi kai limwttonteV kai otan peinaswsi qelousin aganaktei, kai qelousi kakologei ton basilea autwn kai ton Qeon autwn, kai qelousin anableyei eiV ta anw.\nIS 8:22 Epeita qelousin embleyei eiV thn ghn kai idou, tarach kai skotoV, qambwma agwniaV kai qelousin exwsqh eiV to skotoV.


url: =11-02-2005, 23:36 #31\nas postarei ki allos koulos\nBasilis / 21 / foititis Fisikis sto aristoteleio\nlol. 1 xrono kai kati peripou.\noles mou oi gnwseis peri mousikis thewrias: nto re mi fa sol la si nto. :\_\ntharxisw mathimata ilektrikis pantws 100% sto ameso mellon (proteinete kanenan theo stin thessaloniki an kserete, kai times eeee )\n- agaphmenoi ki8aristes/bassistes/mousikoi (drummers den anaferoume gia eunohtous logous)\nKirk Hammett, Steve Vai, Mikael Akerfeldt.\nESP LTD KH-203, enisxitis mou to pc (ixeia 150Watt kai SB audigy ZS)\ndistortion: boss MT-2\neffects: ena zoom pedal, alla den to xrisimopoiw\neixa kai mia klasiki Dekabala xeiropoihth, apisteuti kithara, alla xathike\ntwra sintoma tha parw to MXR doubleshot pedal\notan eimai methismenos paizw kalitera.\ni etsi mou fainetai..\nepisis, GKAULWNW apisteuta pou mporw kai paizw ta kommatia pou goustarw pleon. (an kai oxi oloklira )\na episis, xinw ton blitzer giati egw mporw na paizw me daxtila kai pena tautoxrona enw autos de mporei huhuuhhuhuhuhhuhuhuhu\n(m'exei omws )\n12-02-2005, 01:14 #32\nTa arpismata mou se xynoun sta magoula :**\n12-02-2005, 03:36 #33\n12-02-2005, 03:40 #34\npou xathikes esy mwrh?\n12-02-2005, 03:42 #35\nproBlhmata me to pisi kai diaBasmata (axaxaxaxa) alla epanerxomai siga siga\n15-02-2005, 21:10 #36\nANTE RE TAKH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\nXATHIKES GAMW TO GIDI SOU!!!\nEKAPSES TO PC E?AXRISTE!!!DWSE SIMEIA ZWHS RE!\nANTE KATEVA SE ENA MHNA NA SE DOUME!\nAPO VDOMADA THA EXO....DSL MADE IN BG\n...to live without regret...\n16-02-2005, 01:56 #37\ngabrihl /25/ eleu8eros epaggelmatias\n3ekinhsa prin 10 xronia.Ta prwta 3-4 xronia phgaina kala.Meta logo lukeiou/stratou/douleia to exw amelhsei to spor\ntipota apolutos/twra lew na 3ekinhsw ma8hmata\nEinai para polloi\nBOSS JS-5 + amp axtech\nMaxon PH350 rottary phaser\nena palio quadroverb\nCarvin MTS3200 Tube amp 100w\nSkeftomai na parw kai mia Fenderia kapia stigmh gia na exw kai ton twang hxo.\nPezw me kapia atoma 1 me 2 fores thn evdomada.\nPote den pezw piwmenos.Ma pote.\n16-02-2005, 13:17 #38\n-BOSS DS1 modded\n-Carvin MTS3200 Tube amp 100w\nGia lege kamia plhroforia . To DS1 einai japan made? Ti diafora exei se sxesh me ta stock? Gia pes nte...\nTi leei o Carvin? Exw akousei kala logia kai en genei oti einai shredoenisxutes. Gia pe kamia plhroforia h post kana clipaki an mporeis.\n16-02-2005, 16:52 #39\nloipon to DS-1 einai moded apo ton Keeley sugkekrimena http://www.robertkeeley.com/product.php?id=10\nAlla den leei para polla se sxesh me thn lampa.Einai genikotera polu psifiakos hxos kai xalnaei ton olo hxo mou.kai den einai made in japan.\nO carvin einai kai gamw ta mhxanhmata einai all tube amp sta 100w rms.Ta ka8ara einai 8eika kai to lead channel einai super. Einai kuriolektka plug 'n play.Oute pedalia 8elei , oute efe , oute tipota, h lampa den pezetai.einai combo me 2x12" hxeia me dunatothta proektashs.4 luxnies gia to power amp kai 5 gia to preamp section.Genika polu dunamh kai polu ogko.\ngenikotera : http://www.carvin.com/products/single.p ... 212&CID=GA\nEpisis ena gamato preamp pou ebgaze palia h carvin einai to quad-X.Exw pe3ei me auto.Einai proenisxush me 9 lampitses kai gamaei.eidika me ta noisegate pou foraei ta 4 channels kai to eq tou.Pou einai polu kalh protash gia ton Witchkiller.(ean exei fusika effect loop).To kako einai oti den to bgazoun pleon kai mono ebay.Egw to brhka new sto kouti xwris footswitch omws , alla me zhtousan 700 eura.Kai den to peira.\nMakari na mporousa na postarw clips alla ean mporousa 8a to eixa kanei idi gia to thread me ta backing tracks.Den ton exw spiti to mhxanhma , to exw ekei pou pezoume kai ekei gia na grapsw einai megalh fasaria.\n17-02-2005, 02:03 #40\nade n apostaroume kai kamia fotomas me ton exoplismo kai etsi siga siga\n17-02-2005, 02:45 #41\nyparxei thread re mlks\n17-02-2005, 12:30 #42\nTo DS1 gamei en genei kai to xrhsimopoiw sa boost gia ta leads ston Ampeg pou exw. Ti diafores exei to modded me to aplo? To phres kateu8eian apo to site h tous esteiles to diko sou? Skeftesai mhpws na to poulhseis ? Sovara, an de s' aresei kai to poulas to exw parei, giati outws h allws to aplo to goustarw trela.\nTon Carvin apo pou ton ephres? O Nakas tous fernei ellada? Gia pe kana antiproswpo.\n17-02-2005, 15:51 #43\nCoroner to ds-1 to peira apo to site.Den a3izei na to steileis pantws gia na sto moddarei.kaluetera na to pareis apeu8eias.Exei 2 mods to ena einai pio distorted kai to allo bgazei pio warm hxo auto ru8mizete me to diakoptaki pou exei panw.Me to stock exw pe3ei 1 fora olo kai olo kai den mporw na sugkrinw.Den sunh8izw na poulaw.(alla ean mou thn dwsh kapia stigmh 8a se exw upopsin).Pezoun kai allou modded ds-1 pou lene oti einai kala.Apo ton sugkekrimeno kurio :\nTon Carvin ton peira apo ton palio antiproswpo pou htan sthn Alex/poli.Den tous fernei o Nakas.Tous fernei o Tsitiridis(kapws etsi legetai).Pas dokimazeis kai ama goustareis perneis apo to ebay.Apo to ebay giati exoun polu xamhlo resale value.8a breis to idio dld me 400$(3eftula).\nTo 8ema tou carvin kai genikotera o hxos einai oti einai entelws upokeimeniko emena mou aresei kai mou kalubei tis anagkes mou kai h pleipsifia pou ton dokimase apo gnwstous tous arese.Aplws ean pas kai dokimaseis na prose3eis to e3hs: Epeidi einai AB class amp oso perissotero volume bazeis toso kanei drive sta ka8ara.P.X otan pezw xamhla sto 2 einai polu kalo gia jazz/arpismata.otan paei panw apo 6-7 einai gamata gia blues/rock.To 8ema einai oti den mporw na to exw panw apo 6 se proba giati peftoun antikeimena kai kalubw tous pantes.Sto lead channel (ta pedalia wxrioun mprosta tou) alla 8a preipei na deis ean se ikanopoiei to sustain pou krataei.Twra o combo kapou periorizei ta pragmata oson afora ton hxo gia auto kaluterh lush einai mia cambina 4x12 + kefali .Apo thn allh na 3ereis oti 8elei na to dokimaseis se eidiko xwro.Giati apo gwnia se gwnia akougetai diaforetika.(egw proswpika 8elw na brisketai sta 40cm panw apo to edafos me mikrh klisi kai na exw ta hxeia 45-50 moires apo mena.Giati alliws trww ta mid/treble sthn mapa kai xanei.\nTa parapanw den isxuoun mono gia to sugkekrimeno enisxuth.Alla gia tous perissoterous.Aplws polloi thn patane akoune ton enisxuth se xamhles entaseis tous areseis kai otan to gkazwnoun uparxei dusforia h' akoma to anti8eto.\nTespa oti allo 8eleis sthn dia8esh sou.\n18-02-2005, 02:31 #44\nalo to thread ekei s-11 kai alo to thread edo pos pict re zoa\n18-02-2005, 11:27 #45\nThanks gia tis plhrofories. Logika 8a to riskarw kai otan 8a exw ta fragka 8a to parageilw to DS1.\nAuta pou les gia to 8esh tou hxeiou se sxesh me to auth kai ta gkazia tou enisxuth ta exw upopsi mou, mia kai gw katoxos lampas eimai kai cabinas. Gia ton Carvin rwtaw epeidh den eixa upopsi mou kapoion antiproswpo kai gnwstoi pou rwtousan kata kairos tous elega pws mallon den uparxei. 8a to psa3w to 8ema giati ena filaraki 8elei na akousei ton legacy combo kai de 8a me xalage. Thanks reee