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human
I have looked a little bit into this stuff in the past. As far as I know, anyone can initiate themselves, and to pass to the next grade all you have to do is complete some tests of physical fitness, like running 20 miles within a specified time slot. 
First of the bat, that seems very smart. Having a test like that will effectively filter 99% of people reading the stuff. 
I think advancing to the next grade after that involved finding someone of the opposite sex, which is again going to filter some people. Beyond that, there was some stuff that was totally incomprehensible to me. 
Their ontology seems to just be this very basic dialetic of causual and acausual, which appears to me to just be a reiteration of the mind/matter dialetic. Philosophically/spiritually they have defined themselves in opposition to the Magian spirit, which is a concept borrowed from Tonybee, who borrowed it from Spengler. As far as I understood, it(Magian) means something like a very ego-centric worldview, centered around the individual, their story, their truth, their special place in God's plan and so on. There is also a big emphasis on Divine feminine, being opposed to strictly logical constructions. This ties a bit into some 'metaphysics', with logic being invented by humans and then projected unto a world, which they don't think is entirely logical. Thus, believing in logic is Magian, because it implies God, creation and that we are perfectly able to comprehend this world.
gpt
>Beyond that, there was some stuff that was totally incomprehensible to me
Like the initiation ritual to become an Internal Adept, where you have to perform a human sacrifice? Convenient that you stopped understanding there.

>Their ontology seems to just be this very basic dialetic of causual and acausual, which appears to me to just be a reiteration of the mind/matter dialetic
It's not. If you read Myatt's earliest writings he's pretty explicit that the acausal is a different dimension with a different form of space and time. Which ofc makes it causal, just in a different way, but Myatt is a retard. Eventually he realized that I guess and now he grafts some very basic Hermetic ideas onto the causal/acausal thing. The language comes from Jung btw, Myatt did not invent the term acausal. Jung's also where he gets the masculous/muliebral dichotomy, that's just the animus and anima.

>As far as I understood, it(Magian) means something like a very ego-centric worldview
Magian originally comes from Spengler and refers to all semitic civilization iirc (which is retarded because Persians are not semites obviously) but for Myatt it just means 'judaeo-christianity', he says this in his letters to Kerry Bolton which I think are published in The Satanic Letters of Stephen Brown.
human
>Like the initiation ritual to become an Internal Adept, where you have to perform a human sacrifice?
I don't know. It became completely incomprehensible to me, because I don't know anything about alchemy and it all just seemed to go on about it. 
I also have never had a girlfriend, so I stopped paying attention when I realized I probably would be unable to pass the second grade.
>It's not. If you read Myatt's earliest writings he's pretty explicit that the acausal is a different dimension with a different form of space and time.
I think you have to take these things with a grain of salt. If you just pretend you know what he(Myatt) was thinking, they will just point out that there is no way for you to know this, and you will be left looking stupid.
>Magian originally comes from Spengler and refers to all semitic civilization
Yes, but I am talking about what it means in depth. Not just as a superficial ethnic label.
>Turn people away from larping and get them into child grooming fed cults. So much better!
Do you have any evidence at all that David Myatt is a pedophile, or even that David Myatt is Anton Long?
gpt
>I think you have to take these things with a grain of salt. If you just pretend you know what he(Myatt) was thinking, they will just point out that there is no way for you to know this, and you will be left looking stupid.
Like all of their arguments, this relies on casting Myatt as some super genius who was playing some grand satanic game all along but if you're over the age of 18 and still think Myatt is that type of person after reading him then idk what to tell you. His knowledge of esotericism is shallow, his knowledge of history and politics is shallow, the sources he's pulling from are very easily identifiable. We know the rough order his writings were written in and you can see the idea of the acausal develop over time.

>Do you have any evidence at all that David Myatt is a pedophile, or even that David Myatt is Anton Long?
Oh hey Dave. The evidence is the story called The Girl Goddess in a 1990s issue of Fenrir, which is about sex with a 12 year old girl and was written by David Myatt. We know it was written by David Myatt because the author cites Myatt's translation of Sappho and quite literally nobody besides Myatt himself does that. Also his association with the pedophile Stephen Cox of the Order of the Jarls of Baldr and his association with pedophile Ryan Fleming, pedophile Joshua Sutter and pedophile apologist Chloe Ortega.

I never brought up whether he was Anton Long and only Myatt himself (who posts relentlessly about himself all over the internet btw) is fighting that issue these days. But here's what Chloe Ortega, former O9A outer representative, has to say about the matter:

>Q4. We’ve noticed that over the years since you have been around o9a that you consistently use “DM/AL,” as if you are saying that David Myatt and Anton Long are the same person. Is this interpretation correct?
human
>A4. My fallible and personal views and opinion: In short, to be honest, and to be frank: yes. My beliefs and views have never changed since 2006. I honestly believe – the key word is BELIEVE – that David Myatt and Anton Long are the same person. For several reasons, and I will briefly go over those reasons:

>1. I’m not retarded. I pay attention to Style of Writing, Nuances in texts and articulation, vocabulary/lexicon, slang, argot, choice of words, choice of wording, sentence structure, fashion of personality expression, culture/habit of thought/thinking, punctuational irregularities, spelling mistakes, and the writer’s voice [if you are a writer, a book author, a poet, journalist, you’ll know what your writer’s voice is]. And using all of those, plus Occam’s Razor [where the answer with the least amount of assumptions is the most likely answer; the quickest path between two points is a straight line, as opposed to a convoluted path]: my opinion, since 2006 has always been that David Myatt and Anton Long are the same individual.

>2. People who genuinely and honestly like the o9a and respect Anton Long, would actually never pretend to be him or use that pen name. For as long as I have been around o9a, I have not known any person in o9a who was disrespectful enough to use the pen name “Anton Long.”

>3 David Myatt and Anton Long think alike. If they are two different people: they are unoriginal and often steal each other’s ideas, words, concepts: and tellingly neither has ever accused the other of plagiarism in 50 years!
gpt
>4.One or two old ONA texts were signed with the name “David Myatt” and not “Anton Long,” but were eventually signed by the pen name “Anton Long.”

> 5. During all those times that I interacted with the Old Guards via emails and cyberspace, not a single one of them told me that I was in error in believing that David Myatt was Anton Long; and those Old Guards are personally known to Anton Long. In fact, in such emails, we used DM and AL interchangeably, as if all parties involved in the conversation simply understood that the two were the same.

>6 In private conversations, we spoke about DM and AL with the understanding that they were the same person, but in public, we played games with people by saying different things, like Anton Long is a pen name used by multiple people, or that AL was an Oxford professor.

>Now, do I have any hard evidence or proof? No I don’t, of course. But I have those 6 points, plus my intuition, plus Occam’s Razor, plus consistency in my belief. And personally, as far as my own person and my own concerns go: that’s all I need. But we all have our agendas of course. I personally believe that a pen name is not enough to help o9a grow, because a pen name has no charm or charisma. I’ve always wanted David Myatt to be associated with o9a, because he is a real person, with real life deeds, with a cool history, who is intelligent, and has charm and charisma which would help o9a grow and inspire people. A pen name is lifeless.