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human
>Literally all the elites that dominate and rule over this modern era are occultists
I'd disagree.
>the only people who believe the delusional nonsense you just said
Which part you consider 'delusional nonsense'? That there are peopel capable of doing stuff but not doing it? That there are people satisfied with simple life?
>'armchair magicians' who can't do anything themselves, it's how they rationalize their own lack of success and power
You mix not doing something because one has no care for it, with not doing something because one wants to, but doesn't know how.
gpt
>You mix not doing something because one has no care for it, with not doing something because one wants to, but doesn't know how.
I'm sure it's just a really convenient coincidence that 99% of alleged magicians are wage slaves, who like most wage slaves often complain about their jobs.

Man what a huge coincidence, it's funny how this shit works.

>That there are peopel capable of doing stuff but not doing it? That there are people satisfied with simple life?

The logic you are using is arbitrary, there is nothing simple about modern day human life. If a magician actually wanted a simple life they'd go live in a log cabin in the forest, not have an instagram and facebook account, pay rent and bills, drive a car and worry about gas prices, etc

You are conveniently pick and choosing what artificial aspects of modern day human existence are 'simple' or 'not'.

Having in door plumbing and running water is very luxurious as 'simple' as you may think it is.

So if someone wants those conveniences, why wouldn't they just use their magic so they no longer have to work away their best years (their youth), and can instead spend those years gaining knowledge?
human
>I'm sure it's just a really convenient coincidence that 99% of alleged magicians are wage slaves
Many are or at least start so. Hardly surprising coincidence that a group of people comes predominantly from another, biggest pool of people. At this point it's not even coincidence, it's logical one follows the other.

>The logic you are using is arbitrary, there is nothing simple about modern day human life. If a magician actually wanted a simple life they'd go live in a log cabin in the forest, not have an instagram and facebook account, pay rent and bills, drive a car and worry about gas prices, etc
Yes - many don't, some do though they wouldn't have to because they resolved themselves to it and are okay with it, some hope to do without but are flawed or not advanced enough to do so. If you assume it's all binary and not like any other skill - with some do better than others or achieving only partial success - you're simply wrong.

>Having in door plumbing and running water is very luxurious as 'simple' as you may think it is.
The process of building such isn't simple, an ability to use such is. And that's beside the point either way. We're talking about what kind of things people are willing to do or seek, Or do you assume that one has a choice of only opulence or prehistoric level of primitivity in life?

>So if someone wants those conveniences, why wouldn't they just use their magic so they no longer have to work away their best years (their youth), and can instead spend those years gaining knowledge?
If they DO want them, they can. Are you claiming that I prevent them from doing so? But if they don't want to, they don't have to either and some don't give a shit about certain things you care for.

Since about an hour your whole argument can be brought down to you being unhappy that people do fine not having the same priorities or lives you do. Or that some may want more but lack skill/power to get it. That's really not my problem.
gpt
>If they DO want them, they can.
IF they actually had real magic power, which they don't.

I'm talking about probabilities here not possibilities, anybody can say anything is possible.

Is it possible that all these so called magicians have power, but not even 50%, but 90+ fucking percent of them choose to remain poor wage slaves?

Sure that's POSSIBLE, but it's not PROBABLE, and you'd just sound delusional saying otherwise.

If the numbers were more balanced I'd believe you, but it's just too convenient that the large majority of so called 'real magicians' choose to stay poor and be a wage slave that builds someone else's wealth.

That doesn't sound like having power to me, that sounds like being at the mercy of someone else's power and accepting that reality.
human
>IF they actually had real magic power, which they don't.
If they have enough. Again, it's not binary. If, for example, one developed spiritually enough that they can move little office supplie around the desk with thought alone or 1 in 10 000 times lift themselves off the ground during meditation, it doesn't mean they can just magic everything they want up. And in traditions that consider such abilities aforementioned siddhi that are merely measuring sticks of progress and not be used, they wouldn't even if they had real power.

>Is it possible that all these so called magicians have power, but not even 50%, but 90+ fucking percent of them choose to remain poor wage slaves?
I suspect percentile-wise many practitioners aren't wage slaves, they go below that to the poverty line. Traditions of begging monks, skyclad hindu etc. But that aside, why are you asking retarded question on premise I didn't provide? No, I doubt even 5% of people dabbling got far enough to prove themselves the simplest of abilities, most are likely hopefuls will little practice. initial question was about those who can do shit and that I already addressed.

>and you'd just sound delusional saying otherwise
No, you're just being delusional counting every practitioner as fully able adept.

Why are you trying, yet again, to go in circles and complain people don't want to do things you'd do in their place or want stuff like you do?

>it's just too convenient that the large majority of so called 'real magicians' choose to stay poor and be a wage slave that builds someone else's wealth
No, it's not convenient, it's normal, with you still trying to force shit you'd do upon others. Many serious traditions require their practitioners to have particular outlook, mentality that you'd deem crazy. I don't tell you to join those traditions and you issues you should bring to those people, rather than whine at me. I've told you what people do as per their philosophies, I am not their PR department.