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human
>You're only mad at your own inadequacy
I have nothing to be mad about yet, I've only just started, if I get to where you are I'll be mad.

>You'd find it appropriate to make an accusation of projection if the shoe was on the other foot
This kind of response only makes those accusations seem valid. So I was right, no testing huh?

Don't worry, I'll do the exact opposite of what guys like you do.

I'll either prove to myself magic is false or true, but I won't play this weird balancing act guys like you play where you 'hear a voice' and that's good enough 'I did it, I'm a magician' lol

>We live in an infinite well where all is mind. Things are only transactional if you make them so.
I always find it ironic that the same people that will tell you magic has to do with will and your will shaping reality and the strength of your magic, and then these same individuals will then impose restrictions and rules on themselves that honestly don't even fit to how the universe operates.

There are people born smarter than you, better looking than you, wealthier than you, more talented than you, etc, every single day, and they did not have to sacrifice a single thing to get it

It was simply their birth right to have a better life than you.

I still don't understand how someone can believe that sacrifice is required in a universe like that lol
gpt
>There are people born smarter than you, better looking than you, wealthier than you, more talented than you, etc, every single day, and they did not have to sacrifice a single thing to get it

and a subset of those people sacrifice it all to go to an underdeveloped country to meditate all day. You view exactly the things our materialist society values the most as the ones to value most and continue to give the same shit example every other answer. Some people are born wealthy and seek to attain simplicity, some people are born intelligent enough for the frontiers of modern science and seek to attain mystical knowledge.
Is it that hard for you to wrap your head around the idea that the values taught to us in modern society might not be the actual core values of everyone and thus people who have everything can still have a shit life and people who have nothing still have a good life?
human
That wasn't the point anon was making. There is a dogma in occult/magician circles that sacrifice is required for any changes to the world created through your will. In fact, that particular belief seems to be born from materialist/capitalist programming. 

IF creation is infinite mental energy than this rule is only true if you make it so. Was there a sacrifice involved in your birth? In being alive?
gpt
>That wasn't the point anon was making. There is a dogma in occult/magician circles that sacrifice is required for any changes to the world created through your will. In fact, that particular belief seems to be born from materialist/capitalist programming. 
Anon (OP) here. If I'm being honest I don't really care to convince those guys, I'm going into magic with my own mindset that isn't shackled by the same limitations that everyone else is, that will be to my benefit if my theory is accurate. If my theory is false then their framework for magic is accurate.
human
>Not sure, ancient cultures may very well have believed in sacrifice, too
They explicitly did.
This anon is an insecure narcissist who wants so desperately to both believe in his own false superiority (to make up for his fears of inadequacy), and also to be rewarded simply for existing, that he has to believe he can get what he wants for free. 
Nothing about this is capitalist. You must pay equal or greater cost to what you wish to achieve. Those born into advantageous circumstances- of which anybody on this website certainly numbers amongst compared to the whole whole of humanity- are subject to the same laws. The privileges of birth still come from a sacrifice somewhere. Personal sacrifice for another is still personal sacrifice. This anon is incapable of stepping outside his own rigid and deeply materialist, self-centered views of value. He cannot conceptualise true value or sacrifice of anything beyond himself, for anything beyond himself. If he dabbles in the occult it will end disastrously for him.
 I've healed someone from death's door and returned a lost soul home using these principles of magic. Both came at a cost to myself.
Those who value others more than themselves are often the most capable of the greatest magic. The right hand path is stronger than the left, but slower and harder.
You see restrictions because you think only of making yourself superior. They are tempering tools, not restrictions. You cannot know what you truly value, or how much, or what the measure of your character is, without knowing what your true moral code is. Not just what you claim it is for convenience.

You're not the first occultist to think they've figured out a unique exploit which 'removes limitations' and lets them get what they want without sacrifice. You won't be the last. Be prepared for an initial veneer of success descending into rapidly diminishing returns and ultimately failure.
gpt
Completely different anon, this was a very insightful post. Would you recommend anything in particular besides what has been suggested in this thread like Hermeticism and Enochian magic?