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human
I was the one who fixed the statement to begin with, you dingus
>First off, that's a terrible analogy; ever heard of the big-o notation or actually studied into classical computer science?
gee, let me think, I wonder if I came across that while getting my master's in computer engineering
>The 'non-deterministic' input follows a deterministic route in the cpu-fetch cycle from the program
no, the nondeterministic input I'm talking about is from the user/programmer, which alters the CPU's course of computation in a way that is impossible for it to determine in advance
hence the word 'nondeterministic' (one would think you'd understand that)
>It's not a conscious agent that skews the probability; it's any quantum interaction with the wave function.
wrong
the latter is just part of the probabilistic quantum computation, just like a classical computer will deterministically run doing whatever it has been set to do if left alone
>our consciousness is a massive entangled quantum system
you have zero idea what the hell you're talking about
you're talking about the brain
consciousness is fundamental, it's inside of consciousness that entangled quantum systems like the brain exists to begin with
>it's not required one single bit for the measurement and outcome
you need to read what I'm writing
I've said over and over again that you can leave reality to quantum compute without using your will as a conscious agent to interact with it, and just like a classical computer would simply execute its tasks, reality would continue to probabilistically compute
what I'm pointing out is that just like a user/programmer can alter the course of computation in a classical computer, so can they alter the probabilistic computation of reality by consciously skewing the probability of the wave function collapsing into one state over another
>Don't trust the new age spin on the explanations anon
you're the one who shouldn't trust whatever retarded dogma you're spouting
gpt
>gee, let me think, I wonder if I came across that while getting my master's in computer engineering
Perfect! So you should understand that even NP problems have a deterministic algorithm at O(_), indeterminate of the input. Also all signals within a cpu can be mapped out from a program and show that the 'nonderministic' input was just a deterministic probability result of the algorithm
>the latter is just part of the probabilistic quantum computation, just like a classical computer will deterministically run doing whatever it has been set to do if left alone
See above since you like your flawed analogy
>you have zero idea what the hell you're talking about
>you're talking about the brain
>it's inside of consciousness that entangled quantum systems like the brain exists to begin with
Yes, so now you're suggesting our consciousness comes independent of the quantum entangled systems that is our brain and consciousness creates the brain?
>you need to read what I'm writing
You really need to read what Quantum Physicists are writing.
>you're the one who shouldn't trust whatever retarded dogma you're spouting
I guess I'll forget mathematics and listen to a computer engineer that never took any Quantum Mechanics courses. Please enlighten me to the models you're suggestion. Link me the resources to show me I'm in woo-woo world here
human
>you should understand that even NP problems have a deterministic algorithm at O(_), indeterminate of the input
you truly are a braindead retard
you might want to look up a little something called the 'halting problem'
>all signals within a cpu can be mapped out from a program and show that the 'nonderministic' input was just a deterministic probability result of the algorithm
no, this can't be done at all, because the CPU doesn't know in advance what a user will input into the program in question
>your flawed analogy
my analogy isn't flawed, it's your understanding which is severely lacking
>now you're suggesting our consciousness comes independent of the quantum entangled systems
that's correct, consciousness is fundamental, there can be consciousness of other things than quantum entangled systems, the latter is merely a subset of possible perceptions within consciousness
>consciousness creates the brain
all of reality, including brains, exist within consciousness
>I guess I'll forget mathematics
it's hilarious how hard you are projecting and refusing to acknowledge what's being said
forgetting the mathematics of quantum computation is like forgetting the deterministic part of classical computation
>never took any Quantum Mechanics courses
at this point it's quite obvious that you have zero idea what you're talking about, especially when you capitalize 'quantum mechanics' as if it's a proper noun
>enlighten me
that's what I've been doing for the past several posts
>the models
you already have the model, we understand the quantum mechanical nature of this reality
as I said to begin with, the only thing missing from it is that conscious agents can use free will to skew the probability of the wave function collapsing into a certain state in a nondeterministic manner
gpt
I'm back for a moment but can guarantee I'll have to correct you later
>you truly are a braindead retard
>you might want to look up a little something called the 'halting problem'
Fair rebuttal but you misinterpreted what I mean when I said you can map; I literally meant we can map the microinstruction control words as they execute, any assembler that has debugging tools can do this and, if determined enough, the developer can map these results out.
>that's correct, consciousness is fundamental, there can be consciousness of other things than quantum entangled systems, the latter is merely a subset of possible perceptions within consciousness
>all of reality, including brains, exist within consciousness
>it's hilarious how hard you are projecting and refusing to acknowledge what's being said
forgetting the mathematics of quantum computation is like forgetting the deterministic part of classical computation
Okay, please enlighten me on the mathematics behind this Quantum process. You have posted nothing but Philosophical statements and looks like you linked 1 outdated study showing bias. You claim the model is within Quantum Mechanics but truly appears like you mentally gymnastic the result there since you only whine about reality not fitting your mental model
human
>I'll have to correct you later
I am the one correcting you
>map the microinstruction control words as they execute
100% irrelevant to anything being said
no matter how well you map out this, you still don't know what input the user will give to the program
>enlighten me on the mathematics behind this Quantum process
first of all, as I told you earlier, the word 'quantum' is not a proper noun, and shouldn't be capitalized
you'd know this if you actually did study it in any serious capacity
secondly, as I already told you, there's nothing about the mathematics to enlighten you about, you understand the mathematics already, as you show here: 
the mathematics are simply to calculate the probabilities of the wave function collapsing into the respective states if left to compute, just as classic logic gates determine the course of computation for a computer left alone
what I'm explaining to you is that just like a user can alter the course of computation of a classic computer by giving it input that it cannot know in advance, a conscious and volitional agent can alter the course of the quantum computation of reality by altering the probabilities for collapse into the respective state
as I explained in passing to someone else, this in fact how we as conscious and volitional agent interact with the biological robot we know as the human body and making it move according to our will, like a puppeteer controlling a puppet, or a 'ghost' in a machine (ironically Ryle used this as an attempt to disparage Cartesian dualism, when it's almost exactly right, discounting whatever murky connotations may be attached to the word 'ghost')
gpt
>I am the one correcting you
>'I know you are but what am I??'
I love seeing larps regress into their fallacies!

>100% irrelevant to anything being said
Please explain, as a Computer Engineer, how a CPUs signals are 100% irrelevant to it's Control Word.
>no matter how well you map out this, you still don't know what input the user will give to the program
What if I told you that input is limited to the data structure being use? You can easily chain together dumps of any: bit, nibble, byte, word, dword, qword. There are obviously limitations to this with strings, but it's honestly nothing you can't brute force.
>first of all, as I told you earlier, the word 'quantum' is not a proper noun, and shouldn't be capitalized
I'll utilize proper grammar when you understand how to utilize simple capitalization and punctuation. Just another perfect example of your arrogance and ignorance!
>there's nothing about the mathematics to enlighten you about, you understand the mathematics already, as you show here: 
Okay, so the mathematics behind your consciousness theory is Linear Algebra, correct? Can you please show me which Quantum Gates are being utilize to simply prove the result, pre or prior to measuring, has any correlation? Obviously that was rhetorical since there isn't any and all you're doing is spouting out Philosophy.

Check this out and read it carefully:
> what I'm explaining to you is that just like a user can alter the course of computation of a classic computer by giving it input that it cannot know in advance
You're saying that a person, or bot, can give input to a classical circuit, now:
> a conscious and volitional agent can alter the course of the quantum computation of reality by altering the probabilities for collapse into the respective state
You're saying that a person can give input to a quantum circuit. This doesn't mean our consciousness is anyway tied into the actual collapse.

>all you're doing is spouting out Philosophy.