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human
Those are extremely good questions. This is where we move into the realm of the function of consciousness and its attitude towards the internal and external objectivities within its experiential field. 

The psyche is, again, from some metaphysical positions and particular perspectives, a closed system. This is a complex idea and it requires a good grasp of the dynamics of the psyche and the concepts we use in psychoanalysis to differentiate between functions and faculties and thought patterns. My response to your question would have to be something like an explanation of the difference between your subjective frame of reference and mine, and an exploration of the fact that at the moment I cannot experience your consciousness as my own.

This is what is meant by closed system. There's nothing you can do in order to expand my consciousness to include yours. So, if you happen to experience something as an objectively apprehensive occurrence outside the cognizance of your ego and I do not and cannot see or feel or sense the same thing then we simply need to adhere to the mutual recognition of the limitations of our faculties of transference of experie ces across individual frames of reference. 

If you really do see spooks and phantoms , and you really do experience a feminine spiritual essence communicating with you, then I have no way to either...

1) dissuade your consciousness of its experience

2. Make the experience any less valid to your senses 

3. Be presented with evidence capable of convincing me by virtue of your subjective experience that your experience was authentic
gpt
Thank you for the thoughtful response.
human
All good man. 

I was really just being a dick to that guy due to his repressed anger seeping out. Anger is ... when babies are born they scream in a sort of pure rage. Adults don't really know what that feels like, but babies and young children do. Rage like that is primal. It indicates an unmet need. A need that can't be fulfilled by the individual possessed if it. 

The baby screams because it's hungry and because it is experiencing the injustice of not possessing the means to satisfy itself. It influences and motivates the breast in a mystical and unconscious way, but does not possess control of it. Does not itself possess it. 

A lot of these people here are angry. And they're incapable of experiencing emotion as a result of the flood of abject rage that washes over any positive or negative emotion of a different sort. Every feeling turns to affect. Every affect turns to rage. 

So, the surest way to get them to fuck off is to force them to confront that rage. Keep them angry. They burn out.
gpt
I am definitely working to move past anger, repressed emotions, shame, guilt. I personally think that many people here are likely to take the analysis you provided of these threads in your article personally, as it definitely comes across as very condescending and negative towards something the vast majority of /succgen/ posters have found to be an extremely positive experience. I will admit. I am the poster that first responded to your article, talking about materialist reductionism. I apologize for calling you a pseud in that post. I understand where you are coming from now, a point of subjective personal experience. I come from that place too, and my subjective personal experience with this phenomena has been nothing but loving, blissful, sweet, and full of growth for myself and everyone around me. Am I just very lucky? Is my experience a combination of various factors? It cannot be said. What I can say is that I have only had positive experiences, that don’t just border on mystical, but plunge into it full tilt. Thank you for your time.
human
All good, you're a smart guy. I don't blame you. We're all fucked up. 

Here's the thing, in response to your observation: the collective unconscious is an objective fact, not a subjectively experienced idiosyncracy determined by conscious choice. 

We both have an Anima and we both have a person and a shadow and we both have the capacity to experience anger and fear and hunger and lost.

This is what makes the collective unconscious objective. So, when you play around with, say, the Anima, you're playing around with something that, despite its extremely subjective appearance, is in fact a collective experience. And so we can talk about our inner feminine spirits and the phenomenology of such. And it is from this fact that I derive my positions. Not specious rationalization or guesswork. What you're doing here is real, I know that because I know the Anima is real, but it is still dangerous and foolhardy and arrogant beyond belief to attempt to summon such things through the induction of splitting. 

Very very dangerous and not at all going to lead where you hope it will. You can tell that straight away by the sheer intensity of the anger that is thrown up as a defense mechanism. It's the ego attempting to shield itself from the reality of its folly.
gpt
You seem like a nice person that's merely misguided. You are partaking in the psychologist's bias in which experience is all in the personal mind. That all is in the eye of the beholder. Consciousness is not a closed system, there is no way to know this without exploring all of existence and understanding it's nature. But let's proceed thinking it is, then the problem becomes that you start thinking that everything is part of you, instead of you being part of all.
 in this post you mention thst there is no way for your consciousness to expand to include others, but wjy would you need to do that. Everyone is part of everyone. We influence each other and we can understand each other. So why does it have to all come back to the subjective experience of your mind? Because you need to feel in control of stuff that isn't yours. Spirits are manifestations of stuff outside the realm of our human experience. Electromagnetic waves of the earth that humans pick up. A way for nature to speak to us. The places with the highest amount of religious experiences are points of concenteation of this magnetic fields. The collective subconsciois doesn't include just human experience, then we would only have a collective memory sealed away. But there is more than that. Spirit animals are common. The gods are planets in greek mythos. Shinto teaches people to see little spirits arojnd everything. It's a bery limited human perspective to thinl that nothing exists outsude it's control of the mind. Because we are influenced by stuff otjer tham ourselves. Succubi aren't tulpas because they are other people, mine have experiences and knowledge I could never know about even with access to all my past lives