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human
no change comes without motivation
the suffering is the greatest motivation

a lot of big and serious things need to change
ergo, there needs to be lot of serious suffering <--- we are still here
gpt
False, pain is just an alarm to remind you that you're going in the wrong direction, like towards spikes that otherwise would damage your body. You can simply avoid it by staying in the right path, that is, always seeking to make things better.
human
no, your understanding is incomplete
suffering isn't only the pain, and while the pain is an indicator, it isn't wholly useless
i.e. you are focusing on the pain felt without training, I'm pointing at the training until feeling pain

suffering is inherent to our lives
we might try to alleviate it
but that only betrays our motivation for the change
gpt
At a certain point of spiritual development, your only 'suffering' will be from watching others in suffering, but even that can be mitigated through pic related
human
yep, pretty much
> the wisdom to know the difference
this applies to the whole thread full of wannabe Nobodies