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A chat on 4chan
human
Buy agrippa's three books on occult philosophy. That is your Bible. Sprinkle in D'Abano and maybe a good grimoire. It is a very personal journey so I doubt you will find any 'forum' with anything besides some people jerking each other off. Remember to banish
gpt
>Not of the mother who bore me for 9 months, then had me at her breast.
>Surely not her sacrifice.


>Yes perhaps that was a poor example
>And yes, 9 months of carrying a child is surely a sacrifice
It wasn't a poor example, the sacrifice was on the mother's part, not the person who was born.

My point is that there are people who benefit without THEM having to sacrifice anything. You let him move the goal posts lol. The entire conversation has been about personal sacrifice.



>Remember to banish
Do you have a book/guide on that (is it already in Agrippa's books?)
human

>My point is that there are people who benefit without THEM having to sacrifice anything.

>The entire conversation has been about personal sacrifice.

The mere sacrifice of personal fitness, in reference to self but also for many is enough reason to discuss that even when personal sacrifice is a topic of conversation, we can not muster the energy to sacrifice our own belief for the conversation at hand let alone the arduous task of following physical discipline.

But look at the rewards of making such a sacrifice. So then.

Look at sacrifice as something that can reward personal desire, there is not one person that can achieve something that they desire without sacrifice of energy in some shape or form. Take the flow of your own blood and nutrients in that blood.
gpt
>there is not one person that can achieve something that they desire without sacrifice of energy in some shape or form

You mean like people born rich, men born to be 6ft+ tall (an amazing perk, all due to random chance), someone born with photographic memory, someone born with a genius IQ, etc?

Sorry, you are clearly wrong

>Take the flow of your own blood and nutrients in that blood.
This is where you start being disingenuous and making blatantly fallacious arguments, and that's when I stop responding lol.

If you are now going to argue that someone 'just existing' is their sacrifice (as the flow of blood is done by your heart automatically) then no argument can be had.

Next you'll say you simply breathing air is your sacrifice to an entity to grant you great power, talk about convenience lol.

You are no longer conducting the argument under good faith.
human
faith is an interesting topic to discuss on the internet.

Wim hof demonstrates with scientific evidence that breathing air in the correct manner when applied with other techniques like extreme cold exposure can reduce inflammation and thus reducing ailments and depression. Even just doing the breathing helps in that regard.

So i consider that a great power, to heal one's self. And it requires sacrifice, especially of physical discipline to achieve.

So in good faith, how do you suggest that someone's genetic attributes are even relevant when comparing something they can't control with something they can? How does the sacrifice that a fit 5'2 man equate to any more or less than that of a fit 6'0 man
gpt
I tried Wim Hof's method once and I outright held my breath for 2 minutes, something I had never done, also got really relaxed, was genuinely impressed and I will look further into it quite soon