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human
>make crux of your argument that other guy doesnt have sources
>post an obviously not primary source as evidence that the original gnostics all thought the material world is evil
you are being disingenuous
gpt
i said post 'a source, any source'. I never once specified that it had to be a primary source.

you're being disingenuous or retarded.

and incidentally, the source that i linked originally, while not primary source, was at least correct in what it derived from primary sources, so your quibbling is pretty pointless. All i was asking for was a source, any source, primary or otherwise. At the time, all i was getting from you (or whomever it was i was arguing with earlier) was 'muh Logos', which isn't a source at all, primary or otherwise.
human
okay, then i just disagree with the disingenuinity of your argumentation in general, not just in this one conversation
gpt
and how am i being disingenuous at all? I originally said gnosticism was anti-material world. I later corrected this statement after it was brought to my attention that there are some gnostic sects that don't go full out 'material world is evil'. I showed a source for where i got my impression that 'gnostics are anti material world'. The other guy didn't give ANY source at all, only said 'muh Logos' like it was a magic word or something.

Then you come along and tried to imply that i asked for primary sources, which i never said, i only asked for ANY source whatsoever, just something that i could research (any source is better than 'muh Logos')

honestly... you sound like you're just butt hurt that someone disagreed with you at all. That you were proven even half wrong. The fact that something like that would upset you makes me think you're very tied to your Ego, even though this discussion has nothing to do (or *should* have nothing to do) with Ego. I'm just trying to understand what gnosticism is, and people on here are misrepresenting it as being 'one single shade of gnosticism, a pro material world gnosticism', when that isn't factually correct as we've discovered; there are varying shades of gnosticism.
human
>I'm just trying to understand what gnosticism is
I'll jump in again to reiterate that getting your understanding from /x/ directly is a bad idea, because there is so much misinformation and you encounter the exact problem you're having now. Arguing with stubborn people won't help you anywhere near as much as looking for yourself.
gpt
yea i agree with you, which is why i normally don't even bother to talk to people on /x/ or anywhere online really. Sometimes though i just 'get in a mood' and decide to jump in anyways... and then regret it. 

I normally do what you say, and just research stuff on my own, though there are times where i've only even *heard* about something obscure by reading about it online (which is why i tend to keep coming back here, just to get that initial reference, at which point i'll go do research on my own). 

I think getting my information (solely) from /x/ is what led to my initial misunderstanding of the difference/similarity between gnosticism and hermeticism: i 'heard it on here' that gnosticism was anti-Demiurge, and hermeticism was pro-Demiurge. Though now that i've done a little bit more research on my own (thanks to this thread!) i see now there is more nuance to it than that.

But holy crap the 'stubborn people' on here are so annoying