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human
>true free will doesn't exist but most of you aren't ready to accept that yet
Free will does exist, there's just an inherent irony to the fact that having the will to do something doesn't mean you have the capability to do it.

Don't confuse will with capability.

I'm free to want to be able to fly just by thinking it, but I'm incapable of doing so.



>But what if punishment is the only means in which they can realize the error of their ways?
Remember the cliche because its true - 'You aren't sorry, you're just sorry you got caught'

What you are talking about isn't these people learning any 'error', it's them learning that they will be punished for what they did. In other words there is no error because the punishment is artificial.

If everytime you stabbed someone you magically received the same injury, that would be a world where it's an 'error' to harm someone. But if harm is only one sided there is no 'error', only punishment which must be forced upon you to create the illusion of your actions being 'wrong'.

In reality there is no such thing as 'right' or 'wrong' in this universe, they are made up human concepts that only exist in our minds.
gpt
You're discounting the spiritual necessity of penance. Yes it is correct to say that punishment should not be for its own sake. You're also correct to say that the carrot and stick method only teaches obedience. However, penance as a means to admit fault, or understand ones own guilt can't just be thrown out. That's way too one dimensional and penance does not require self infliction.
human
>You're discounting the spiritual necessity of penance
There is no such thing as 'necessity', especially when it comes to penance.

What penance with God/Gods have to undergo for the many atrocities they have committed?

'Penance only applies to humans'

Then it doesn't exist, and again, it's just a human concept and it's something forced upon us.

You see it's not that it exists, it's just forced upon you.

'Jail' isn't an actual thing that exists in the universe, humans created jails and then force eachother to stay there.