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human
Why do you look for power? Are you threatened by others? A feeling of insecurity? Searching for material comfort?
gpt
>Why do you look for power?
Power is the only objective way to see that you are in fact doing something that defies reality.

Any person can claim they are enlightened because it's all subjective.

Who would you believe is enlightened between two individuals:

Person A whose feats of enlightenment are all things that cannot be observed or tested.

Person B who is levitating physical objects before your very eyes.

People who are seeking just to have their ego stroked, and 'feel special' and talk about how 'enlightened' they are, don't care about objective criteria, and they don't care about testing, because for them it's 'THE EXPERIENCE' that matters.

This is why you'll notice a lot of the new agey types like to use drugs, they don't care if they are LEGITIMATELY doing something mystical, they only care if they FEEL LIKE IT.

That is nothing but delusion.

This stuff is either real or it isn't, and I'm not going to purposefully pursue obfuscations that convince me it's real (like drug induced trances).

I have to be able to do observable and testable feats in order to KNOW (not feel) that it's real.

Too many people are satisfied with just 'the experience' and to me that's them not really taking it seriously.

Spirituality and the occult in the modern era is treated with disrespect, like it's just another form of entertainment, and the people who do this ironically don't see it as disrespect.



>In-fact over reliance can make it so you can only access it via sacred herbs
My point exactly, this is why I won't use substances. It's 'fake enlightenment', and it's nothing but self delusion.


What's the name of the Discord?
human
Sounds very immature, you just want to do magic tricks to win others' validation and admiration. Why do you need to prove to others you are enlightened?
gpt
>You're about to make a huge commitment and lifestyle change because some random fag in one dream you had told you a word.
>Seems like an overreaction desu.
What else important am I doing with my life in this modern era that revolves around nothing but pleasure chasing?

Some people decided to become a musician after listening to a single composition, or they get into art after seeing an art piece that they felt had significant meaning.

I guess these people 'overreacted' too.

Maybe this is just the 'spiritualist' equivalent, in fact 'visions' are often said to have been held by many people who go on a path like this.



>Sounds very immature, you just want to do magic tricks to win others' validation and admiration. Why do you need to prove to others you are enlightened?
I'm going to assume english isn't your first language because it's like you didn't read a thing I said.

Examples:
>This stuff is either real or it isn't, and I'm not going to purposefully pursue obfuscations that convince me it's real (like drug induced trances).

>Power is the only objective way to see that you are in fact doing something that defies reality.

>I have to be able to do observable and testable feats in order to KNOW (not feel) that it's real.

I'm trying to prove it to myself you idiot, that's obvious to anyone who took the time to read properly. Spend less time responding and more time reading.
human
Why do you believe that only external things that occur outside of yourself are real? You must first change yourself to be able to change your surroundings. Based on your hostile and defensive responses it seems you have an inflated ego which you must first learn to control before you can get anywhere.
gpt
>You're in for a world of disappointment. Only the very best of the best (as in learning and practicing for countless lifetimes) can do stuff like that.
I won't argue with that, this might be true, and even then I will pursue it.



>Why do you believe that only external things that occur outside of yourself are real?
You keep strawmanning rather than reading, I literally address exactly why It needs to be external

You see it's people like you who end up getting tricked by charlatans and joining cults, and falling false prophets, because there is no criteria.

ANYBODY can claim to be enlightened, and if someone is charismatic enough, he'll have people literally drinking poison.

If something can't be observed or tested, you believing in it makes no sense

The funny thing is you'd call people who join cults and follow false prophets stupid, or misguided, or naive, but they are choosing who to follow based on the same criteria as you choose what to believe - 'This FEELS right'

If you aren't testing your faith, you don't actually care about it, what you care about is how it makes you feel, and so long as it makes you feel 'special' or 'enlightened' you are alright with treating vague untestable personal anecdotes as 'proof'

Like I said, this is akin to treating the occult/spirituality like it's a form of entertainment. So long as it makes you feel good, you don't really care to look any further to test the limits of it.