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human
Gee that would be a really easy question to answer by appeal to the corpus itself.

To become an idol of the Living Truth, an embodiment of the New Flesh. Equipoise. Tossing oneself into God's Winepress. Capable service. The transmutation of I-consciousness into a bridge spanning Otherness in totality. The fostering of, as far as I can tell between my peers, completely unique states of yogic consciousness. A thousand little reflections and refractions that echo through yesterday into the present.

But the best answer I've ever heard from an advanced initiate is this: Nothing. You gain Nothing. It's not a path that gives you stuff. The Dragon takes from you your hopes, your dreams, your fears, your obstacles, your aspirations, your emotions, your perceptions, your sense experiences, your habits, your preconceptions, and casts them into the hearth burning at the circle's heart and the void of eternity. And in recompense the Dragon offers you Nothing. But don't take my word for it, take Peter Hamilton-Giles'.
gpt
Then go sit. Less trouble and far more likely to arrive at your destination intact. You also have the benefit of following a protocol with a proven track record.
human
Unresolved issues from the previous thread.

Who here has read the Gnza Rba? 
1) It’s Ginza Rba or Ginza Rabba. 
2) Can you explain how is it possible for the DBOE, written somewhere between 1995 and 2004, to have material from the Ginza Rba, which was translated into English for the first time in 2011, 7 years AFTER Chumbley’s death.
>The first full English translation of the Ginza Rba was published by Carlos Gelbert in 2011… Gelbert's 2011 edition is currently the only full-length English translation of the Ginza... 
That’s only one (1) example were you inserted into Chumbley and DBOE material he had no physical or temporal way of knowing because the material in question was translated/published both after his death AND after the publication of the DBOE. How, exactly, did he access a full translation of Tantraloka in the 90’s when the only translation available back then was Gnoli’s? In fucking ITALIAN? How, exactly, did Chumbley access Palo Alto material that was first published on 2014 and 2016?

>If I am to sit before... named Andy? 
One has the power of tradition behind it. It had helped many a seeker achieve liberation since its creation somewhere in the 8th-9th centuries AD. The fact that Tulku Khenpo Rinpoche was trained by teachers in flesh in a lineage whose historical roots go into he 10th -11th century. At least. I can meet people trained by Tulku Khenpo who actually have achieved the supreme goal of Buddhism, which means the tradition works. Tulku Khenpo Rinpoche himself is, actually, a living example that the tradition works. Tulku Khenpo studied for 13 years and had to pass an examination on five subjects to be called a teacher of Buddhism (Since that’s how you earn the title khenpo).
The other is an art project by some Brit whose claims to teaching and enlightenment and empowerment aren’t fully and properly documented and hence dubious to the highest degree.
gpt
The other is an art project by some Brit whose claims to teaching and enlightenment and empowerment aren’t fully and properly documented and hence dubious to the highest degree. By a Brit whose religious historical background is murky, hazy, rooted in pragmatic peasant magic that had absolutely zero fucking interest in transcendental matters outside the scope of their livestock and crops. By a Brit whose teaching didn’t produce even one (1) person of the same spiritual caliber as Tulku Khenpo. A Brit whose own character is highly dubious and who published his first grimoire at the ripe wise age of 22 wherein he had written that he had come to teach - The Sabbat's Arte, to learn, to teach - without zero (0) qualifications whatsoever.
Therefore it’s a choice between something that works 50% - 75% percent of the time - taking into account the historical claims of success starting from the Buddha - and something that works, by present estimation and based on lack of any current evidence of success, 0% of the time. 

>Especially, I might add, if the Essex cunt has empowerment through some of the same streams as the Tulku
Do you even fucking know what an empowerment is?
It's the permission to PRACTICE A SADHANA.
IT DOES NOT MEAN ENLIGHTENED.
IT DOESN'T MEAN ONE'S ALLOWED TO TEACH.
IT DOESN'T MEAN ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO TRANSFER IT TO OTHERS.
Chumbley having empowerments, if he ever had them - and if he had them they were probably basic, low tier - means he was allowed to do certain practice.
In order for him to be considered a master he needed the constant presence of a teacher who
1) supervised his practice
2) confirmed his enlightenment when it came
3) granted him higher empowerments and gave permission to teach
human
All of which don't apply on Chumbley's case since he spent his whole life in Essex with sporadic forays into London, which means his practice wasn't checked by anyone in flesh and so could be totally unbalanced and lead to unwholesome results, and which means the whole Cultus stand on shabby dubious ground and isn't neither authorized nor accepted by any serious spiritual body of today.
By your words it means every thoth and grifter and beatnik and hippie that has received empowerment from any single Rinpoche since the sixties is allowed to start their own sangha and to propagate dharma and be considered a teacher in his or her own right. Do you see how fucking retarded your interpretation of empowerment is?
The only paranormal thing on this board is that you claim to be well educated and well read in every fucking thread you're active, but you lack even the most elementary basic bitch tier knowledge of religions, like what the fuck an empowerment actually means. 
And the sad thing is that people actually fucking listen to you. 
Actually ask advice from you.
gpt
How would you classify allowing someone who obviously causes you so much butthurt to live rent free in your head?
I would classify it as hilarious.