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human
you have to read them a million times before you understand them, he can be very cryptic lol
gpt
How about you don't waste your time with that overly esoteric garbage.

There are two kinds of authors in the world of the occult.

Author A who see's his writings as a kind of 'performance' and loves 'theatrics', so his writings are excessively esoteric and you spend more time trying to decode what he's saying than being able to learn and put into practice what you decoded (IF you ever even decode it)

Author B who quite literally explains in a straight forward and very specific manner what you're supposed to do and even try to imagine during a specific ritual, breathing exercise, etc. Any esotericism is only included in the book because he explains that too, so you can notice it in other peoples writings and understand the core ideas about it.

One author is trying to treat the occult as a 'super secret special club' protected by an elitist wall, the other is genuinely trying to teach people new to the occult 'true knowledge' rather than wasting years of their time.

A good example of this is comparing the writings of Aleister Crowley against the writings of Frank Rudolph Young (or some of the writings of William Walker Atkinson)

Skip the Crowley.

Here's the thing, all of these occultists are talking about the same thing, and there are just a few core concepts you need to grasp and then everything else will make sense.

Why take the complicated path on purpose that's going to waste your time, only to end up at the same destination as the person who skipped all the flowery words and games.

Well, to be honest, it depends on what you want to do. If you 'really' believe in magic then skip AC so you can progress faster. If it's just a hobby that interests you (armchair magician), then ignore this post.



That's a nice way to say he's a waste of time.

If you want to learn math, you don't use a math text book that's written in a foreign language

Also, the more time I spend on this forum, the more I believe the image I posted.
human
In my case I will partially agree, since I already know the message and information that authors A dress up in a charming dress for mere aesthetics, because I have already read the knowledge from authors B. For me reading Crowley is, as I already stated in , to understand 'the phenonemon of Crowley', and that therefor I can discourse with secret societies initiates in their native philosophical system, or to phrase differently, I am learning new languages for the sake of speaking with them in their language, however, I already do have the ability to speak. Nevertheless, aside from my situation, I wholly agree with your message apart from a few things for it should be noted that employing that method does make it lose some of the beauty of the occult and the secret, esoteric, elite status of the occult, and, moreover, those methods conform with the blatant 'Marxism'-isation (loss of beauty and aesthetics, everything dumbed down to the same) already present in all aspects of life.

By the way, just for interest, what is your undertaking in the occult?
gpt
>By the way, just for interest, what is your undertaking in the occult?
DESU I would consider myself a complete noob, I was just lucky enough (well skeptical enough) to be very picky and specific about what info I take seriously, and as of now I've narrowed down what I need to read to actually start my true path.

I'll take any advice and check it out if you have any to offer, and yes, I'd like to skip all the 'beauty', for me the beauty in life comes from having the power to have the experiences you want in life. I don't really see 'beauty' in a well painted wall of secrets that only exists to keep me away from what I desire in life.

A prison with a really nice paint job is still a prison, to me the beauty exists in escaping it.