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human
>I don't understand what you mean by it. I was hoping you would elaborate.
It's just what we historically called the exact same system at a certain point in time. There is no difference between jesus and secular christian culture. We shouldn't even call it christianity. Jesus was just one emanation of god, but he did so much for it, that we even started calling it after him.
>And the Sermon on the Mount is a fundamental statement of dogma.
No, it's about making you understand. He talked TO jews, to make THEM understand. The speech on the mountain was what it sounded like making jews understand the idea.
>So much so that He fulfilled the Law.
He was so succesful, that he actually did. So yes.
>never once took anything from the Law. 
He said they didn't even understand the law.
gpt
>We shouldn't even call it christianity.
It started as a pejorative term. What would you call it?
>He talked TO jews, to make THEM understand.
Indeed. Because there was a corrupted understanding of the Scriptures and this ultimately divided the Jews who had the incorrect expectations for the Messiah.
>He was so succesful, that he actually did. So yes.
Yes, but the point was not about reformation or turning the belief system on its head. The point is that the Law had a meaning, both a material and a spiritual meaning, and that it was from God and it was good.
>He said they didn't even understand the law.
Christ never once broke the Law. When the Pharisees accuse Him of breaking the Sabbath, this was a situation which was not even expressly predicted (healing the sick) so they invent reasons against it. They also accuse Him of not respecting the ritual cleansing before eating, but this was a competing oral tradition which was culturally prevalent but not a part of the Scriptures. They finally accuse Him of blasphemy for calling Himself 'I AM' and proclaiming to be the Son of Man, but this would only ever be blasphemy if He wasn't Who He said He was.

I still think Christianity is dogmatic. There are things that you can't exactly take as 'opinion' like the Holy Trinity and Original Sin. Things like the Apostles Creed are the briefest of dogmatic and catechetical statements.
human
>It started as a pejorative term. What would you call it?
Truth
>the point was not about reformation or turning the belief system on its head.
He said, THEY turned it on its head.
>calling Himself 'I AM' and proclaiming to be the Son of Man, but this would only ever be blasphemy if He wasn't Who He said He was.
When the gospels tell the story of him saying 'i am god', this can only mean god speaking out of him. If it’s god talking out of a person, then him calling himself god is true. The gospels make that very clear: Jesus prayed TO god, he was in doubt about god and the gospels tell exactly that, he even cried on the cross about god haven forsaken him.
gpt
>When the gospels tell the story of him saying 'i am god', this can only mean god speaking out of him.
I don't believe God would be into play acting. The Son is the Son, the Father is the Father. These are clearly distinct Persons Who all share Godhood.
>If it’s god talking out of a person, then him calling himself god is true.
That's a much too subjective criteria. By that definition, anyone can be God. But John 1 says clearly that Christ is God and co-eternal with the Father. And obviously Christ conquered death itself, which no other prophet has done, and again marks His divinity.
>The gospels make that very clear: Jesus prayed TO god, he was in doubt about god and the gospels tell exactly that, he even cried on the cross about god haven forsaken him.
True God and True Man. The Son prays to the Father because the Son is not the Father. And seeking intimacy with God is again something that you should do, it's a pious example.
Christ was never in doubt about God. Not once. He only cried on the cross not because He doubted the Father but because He was perfectly innocent and for how much longer would God's Justice allow such a thing.
human
He asked god why He was forsaken. Even Christ was like dude cmon this is alot
gpt
>Even Christ was like dude cmon this is alot
Yeah, I'm agreeing with you there. But this wasn't about doubting.