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human
>10 For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.
God is the savior of all in the meaning that the door is open for anyone who knocks but it will not be open for those who rejected it and ask out of fear of judgement for God is JUST

Matthew 10:33-35
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
gpt
OK how does that refute anything?

Yes and where in God's law does he state infinite pu ishment for a crime

For example in the Torah the penalty for stealing is paying back double

In Christianity it is being tortured forever

Those are not the same punishments 


1 The wages of sin is eternal torture, eternal separation from God, or eternal never-ending death.
 
2 Jesus died on the cross for your sins , he paid the debt in full as a sin offering.

3 Jesus was not tortured forever, or dead forever, or separated from God forever.
 
4 Ergo(therefore) the wages of sin is not eternal never-ending torture, eternal never-ending death, or eternal never-ending separation from God. If anyone of these things was the wages of sin Jesus could NEVER rise again from the dead. Let me repeat that again, if ANY of those things were teh wages of sin Jesus could NEVER rise again from the dead. 

- If eternal torment is the wages of sin Jesus would still be on that cross to this day, he would never have time to die since he would have be tortered forever!

- If eternal death is the wages of sin Jesus could never be raised back to life!

- And if the wages of sin is eternal separation from God, Jesus could never return to the Father in heaven. Jesus would be cast out of heaven FOREVER 

 All 3 deny the death, entombment and resurrection 3 days and nights later of Jesus. All 3 deny the atonement of Jesus on that cross. All that happened is that Jesus died, that is the wages of sin, to suffer and then die. 

Jesus always does the will of the Father. If Jesus does not accomplish his goal then Jesus failed his Dad! Jesus can not fail! It is prophesied that Jesus will accomplish ALL that the Father wills.
human
>For example in the Torah the penalty for stealing is paying back double
>In Christianity it is being tortured forever
you should not be talking with so much authority over topics you dont know about.

this is why the pharisees wanted Jesus (who made them leave the temple and forbid trading along with currency) crucified, they need people to pay for their sins because it sustains their lifestyles instead of focusing on developing a healthy society

>christianity it is being tortured forever hurr durr

once you are baptized (not the ritual... why do i have to explain everything to you, do you see why you shouldnt talk with so much authority?. baptized as in born again as a son of God) you can no longer sin again if you sin willingly then you are considered a fallen angel and those will be judged accordingly
gpt
>fallen angel

Did you know Jesus died to reconcile the demons as well?

Colossians 1:16-20
King James Version
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

>to reconcile all things unto himself
In order for something to be reconciled both parties must come together
>all things unto himself
the word things isnt in the greek, its just says ALL unto himself
>or things in heaven.
Read that carefully, what in HEAVEN needs to be reconciled by the BLOOD OF JESUS?!

> thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers
Where have I heard these things before?

Ephesians 6:12
King James Version
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

The blood of Jesus can and WILL save the evil angels (this is why the body of Christ goes to heaven, to reach out to them, while Israel ministers to those on earth)

Ephesians 1:10
King James Version
10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
>in heaven

Christianity has no clue how great Jesus is, not only is he the saviour of Earth but HEAVEN as well!
human
you are so dense, you are making stuff up 


Matthew 10:33-35
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

can you read? it does not matter if its in greek, hebrew, chinese, mongolian or spanish

the message is clear
gpt
Now what about the lake of fire?

Revelation 20:10
And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever[aion - plural] and[and is not in the greek, the word inbetween the first aion and the second aion is the greek word ton which is the diffinite article and means the] ever[aion -plural].

Here is a more literal Translation


Youngs Literal Translation
and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night -- to the ages of the ages.

Concordent Literal New Testament
 And the Adversary who is deceiving them was cast into the lake of fire and sulphur, where the wild beast and where the false prophet are also. And they shall be tormented day and night for the eons of the eons.'

Emphatic Diaglott
and the accuser the one deceiving them, was cast into the lake of the fire and of the brimstone, where both the wild-beast and the false-prophets; and they will be tormented day and night for the ages of the ages.

Rotherham Emphisized Bible
and, the Adversary that had been deceiving them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where [were] both the wild-beast and the false-prophet; and they shall be tormented, day and night, unto the ages of ages.

Barean Literal Bible
 And the devil, the one deceiving them, was cast into the lake of fire and of sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet also are; and they will be tormented day and night to the ages of the ages.