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human
I was referring to the other part of the post.
>All rituals, gestures, medals, candles, incenses, holy water, blessed salt, etc. are forms of White Magic; so no, Christianity doesn't disapprove of it in principle unless you're some kind of Protestant.
Now I agree with you that Jesus seems to have been doing something other than white magic, by that definition. We don't need to go into what exactly, because it's beside the point.
gpt
I wouldn't say that those things are white magic. Rituals are common in the Bible, given that the Jews celebrated the Sabbath, as well as passover. They used incense as well, and was actually a part of the old covenant. Holy water I wouldn't say is magic either. Never heard of blessed salt. Candles from what I know are just ways to pay tribute to a saint or devote towards a prayer.
human
I'm not clear on how the Hebrews doing these things causes them not to be magic. As I said, white magic is not restricted to Christians.
gpt
It was part of the old covenant, and the rules in that covenant was a zero tolerance policy for magick in all of its forms (which is the same thing in Christianity).
human
Jewish definition of magic:
>If we burn incense, perform rituals and sacrifices, that's a prayer.
>If the Greeks burn incense, perform rituals and sacrifices, that's magic.
>If we set a bronze serpent on a pole that heals people, that's a miracle from God.
>If Apollonius places a statue in the square that heals people, that's magic from the devil.
>If the Pope consecrates a piece of wax, or Agnus Dei, and people wear it ward off lightning, that's—not magic.
>If Tiberius wears a jewel consecrated to Jove to ward off lightning, that's magic.
So if you rely on the Jewish definition, then yes, there is not such thing as white magic. But if you read actual books on magic, such as Cornelius Agrippa, then you will understand what magic really is.
gpt
Isaiah 47:8-14

8 “Now then, listen, you lover of pleasure, lounging in your security and saying to yourself, ‘I am, and there is none besides me. I will never be a widow or suffer the loss of children.’ 9 Both of these will overtake you in a moment, on a single day: loss of children and widowhood. They will come upon you in full measure, in spite of your many sorceries and all your potent spells. 10 You have trusted in your wickedness and have said, ‘No one sees me.’ Your wisdom and knowledge mislead you when you say to yourself, ‘I am, and there is none besides me.’ 11 Disaster will come upon you, and you will not know how to conjure it away. A calamity will fall upon you that you cannot ward off with a ransom; a catastrophe you cannot foresee will suddenly come upon you. 12 “Keep on, then, with your magic spells and with your many sorceries, which you have labored at since childhood. Perhaps you will succeed, perhaps you will cause terror. 13 All the counsel you have received has only worn you out! Let your astrologers come forward, those stargazers who make predictions month by month, let them save you from what is coming upon you. 14 Surely they are like stubble; the fire will burn them up. They cannot even save themselves from the power of the flame. These are not coals for warmth; this is not a fire to sit by.