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human
There are no souls. No magic. No supernatural. These are all fairytales to make us forget the harsh truth:
We are all just patterns of information controled by natural laws.
It is our curse that we can be aware of this.
gpt
There is free will but not in the sense that most people think.


I agree.
>you are born with a specific mental state.
>then your parents, society, relatives and other adults educate you
>then, you start looking into yourself (again, you're still stuck in your mind) and want to be 'different'
>you become some modern equivalent of hipster, emo or scene teens
>you stop listening to parents and most of society and you start listening to some specific contrarian group
>then, you either evolve from that state and become more normal or average, or you keep being a 'contrarian'
>but no matter what you do, you went from a state in which you were fed stuff, to a state in which you feed on previous stuff, again and again
there's just no way to ignore your feelings and past conditions and choose 'freely'.
But you could make the point that free will is your specific point of view in the world, even though it's conditioned by past and present conditions.
human
Makes sense. Depends on how you define it I guess. But somehow I doubt that this is the definition most people would agree upon.

You could say that it is not really 'free'...
gpt
It's not really free at all but most people wouldn't want to accept the reality that we all have our benefits and disadvantages. It's not just about whether your dad was rich or not, but it extends even to your mind, body and everything else.

People agree that simple stuff such as IQ, race, height and looks are inheritable. True. But no matter how small you go when you look for inherited traits, it's all conditioned by cum and eggs essentially.

Then, you try to evolve in that space and make do with it, while also being born in an area that you didn't choose.
I feel like not agreeing with this means that:
>unsuccessful people don't want to face their reality and want to hope for more
>successful people don't want to think that something else generated their success and want to think that they themselves were 'self-made'

But the secret to self-development is to accept your conditions, but also to strive for more while being aware of who, why, and what you are.
human
bullshit.
Determinism is not free.
Random is not free.
Any combination of both is not free.
You can't chose anything, you can only dream you do.
And honestly, it is probably better.

On the other hand - we can't say 'I don't know' anymore. There is no agency in the entire universe. All is causaly baound by chains of cause and effect.


Indeed.
I believe that accepting the truth and trying to work with that truth - no matter how harsh - is better than to run into delusions like gods and souls.
Didn't they do enough evil already?
gpt
>I believe that accepting the truth and trying to work with that truth - no matter how harsh - is better than to run into delusions like gods and souls.
Yes, but it is psychologically simpler to either:
>hope for too much
or
>start thinking like a victim