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human
how do you work on dream clarity?
the best dreams i have i can feel or smell things, but those are very rare 

my dreams measure about 5 minutes long i believe
gpt
They can happen spontaneously, but there is a couple things you can focus on to increase your chances:
>Keeping a dream journal and focusing on small sensory details
Since in a dream, nothing exists unless you focus on it, the goal is to train your brain to focus on small sensory details when dreaming. The more things you unconsciously focus on, the more realistic it will feel.
>Having proper timing
Dreams tend to be more vivid in the later stages of sleep, on the other hand, attempting to lucid dream when you first go to bed will pretty much guarantee low clarity. Try to time your attempts so that you enter a dream in some of the later REM stages.
>Setting correct expectations
Dreams react to your expectations, all of the lucid dreams of this anon here () will be muddy and unclear, because he has convinced himself that this is how they are supposed to be. This creates a feedback loop - the more unclear they are, the more unclear he will expect them to be in the future, and that's exactly what will happen. You need to convince yourself that your dreams can be vivid, clear, and encompassing all five senses without any sort of jankiness. Technically, there is nothing that would prevent them from becoming exactly like that, it's just a matter of your mindset.
I personally think that expectations also are the reason why all of AP/'shift' experiences seem to be so realistic - because people expect them to be so.
>Improving clarity from within the dream
You can improve the clarity of your lucid dream from within by focusing on your senses one by one. When you first find yourself lucid, try to touch something and feel its texture. Look at something and try to discern every little detail that you can see. Focus on your hearing, if there are no sounds, create them yourself, e.g., by clapping your hands. Try to smell something. I usually don't bother with taste, but it has worked most of the time when I actually tried to taste something in a lucid dream.
human
I know what you're saying, and I'm sayin that's not correct - you can shift into a reality with rules that allow magic or pissing out of your fingers or whatever else you come up with, and yes, that would still be a shift into a reality as solid as this one, not a lucid dream.



>I personally think that expectations also are the reason why all of AP/'shift' experiences seem to be so realistic - because people expect them to be so.
I have had multiple failed shift attempts from lucid dreams, fully expecting to be in an actual solid reality, and while said dream did feel much more crisp and life-like, to the point where I once lost track of being in a dream, in hindsight its dreaminess is still very easily recognizable.
You also missed a part of my statement, I'm not merely saying that you need your senses to be all there and working correctly, you need them to be there the WHOLE time, without any fluctuations, without any touching stuff to make it more vivid, no deepening techniques, and you need the whole dream to remain solid and consistent, all the way throughout.

Idk how else to explain this to you, have you actually had these super real dreams yourself? I have been lucid dreaming for years with various expectations of how real they should feel, but I have still never had one that, after waking up, I wouldn't just go 'damn it's so obvious it was a dream because of this and that and that...', neither have I EVER encountered other people claiming to have experienced 100% real-life-like dreams the dream-telltale signs of which couldn't be recognized in hindsight, it's always people who don't lucid dream saying shit like this.
gpt
>I'm not merely saying that you need your senses to be all there and working correctly, you need them to be there the WHOLE time, without any fluctuations, without any touching stuff to make it more vivid, no deepening techniques, and you need the whole dream to remain solid and consistent, all the way throughout.
I did not miss anything, I'm aware that these 'deepening techniques' are not supposed to be necessary during the supposed AP/'shift' experience. I was only trying to give that other anon some tips to attain more clarity during a lucid dream. Those tips and techniques are unrelated to what I was previously talking about - indeed, the high-clarity lucid dreams I talked about were spontaneous.
>have you actually had these super real dreams yourself?
I've been lucid dreaming for about 10 years, I think. On a select few occassions, I did spontaneously experience super realistic dreams. Well, to be completely honest, they were dream-like in the sense that I was excercising dream control in them (e.g., flying, which really is a tell-tale sign of a dream), but if we are talking sensory input, it was 100% convincing and realistic with no fluctuations until I started waking up.
>...neither have I EVER encountered other people claiming to have experienced 100% real-life-like dreams the dream-telltale signs of which couldn't be recognized in hindsight, it's always people who don't lucid dream saying shit like this.
I find it curious that you reject the notion of realistic dreams, but you are willing to entertain the idea that 15 years old TikTok 'witches' actually are capable of jumping realities and spending years in Hogwarts (or do you? I'm not sure which anon is which anymore).
human
Not him but what are you trying to accomplish?
I recommend you look up Jon Wilkinson, an experienced Adult shifter rather than tiktok little girls
gpt
He used to have a video on perma-shifting and his thoughts on it but he seems to have made it private (it shows up in google searches on my phone but requires permission to view). I wonder why.