How did planets have an elliptical orbit in the first place? [duplicate]
Why are orbits elliptical? [duplicate] (9 answers)
Why don't planets have Circular orbits? (6 answers)
I know that planets speed up when getting closer to the sun, but they speed up because they have an elliptical orbit, and they have an elliptical orbit because they speed up. Why did they have an elliptical orbit in the first place?
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Qmechanic♦
C. GautretC. Gautret
$\begingroup$ It appears to me that the question assumes that orbits would be circular unless something intervenes and makes them non-circular. This has come up many times: Why is the Earth's or other planets orbit elliptical instead of being circular such as of moon? , Why do planets move in an elliptical orbit? , Why are orbits elliptical? , and Why don't planets have Circular orbits? $\endgroup$ – David Hammen May 28 '17 at 22:45
$\begingroup$ There are others. Note that the first three were closed as duplicates of the last one. Rather than asking why orbits are elliptical, a much more interesting question is asking why the orbits of many of the planets in our solar system are so close to circular. That's where the interesting dynamics lie. $\endgroup$ – David Hammen May 28 '17 at 22:49
$\begingroup$ @DavidHammen You mean like this question asked an hour or two ago? $\endgroup$ – tpg2114♦ May 28 '17 at 22:52
$\begingroup$ @tpg2114 -- Yes, but that question also has already been asked: Why are the orbits of planets in the Solar System nearly circular? $\endgroup$ – David Hammen May 28 '17 at 23:16
Just as an analogy, consider a simple harmonic oscillator whose equilibrium is at origin. The potential energy is a parabola with vertex at $x=0$. The minimum energy the oscillator can have is $E=0$ which means that it is at rest at the equilibrium position. As we increase its energy, it gets kinetic energy which is constantly interchanged with potential energy, giving rise to oscillations.
The motion of a massive particle under the inverse square force is also determined by its energy but also by its angular momentum. The solid line in the plot bellow shows the effective potential as a function of the distance $r$ to the centre of force. That potential looks that way because angular momentum is conserved and rotational kinetic energy behaves as a repulsive potential energy, the so-called centrifugal potential.
The minimum energy a particle can have is $-\epsilon$. This corresponds to constant $r=r_0$ and you can think of this circular motion as a sort of dynamic equilibrium. In order to increase planet's energy one needs to give it some impulse. No matter the direction of this impulse, the planet will tend to move out of its circular motion and therefore change $r$. This change cannot be arbitrary though. Energy conservation shows that for mechanical energy $-\epsilon <E<0$, the value of $r$ lies in the interval $r_{\mathrm{min}}\leq r\leq r_{\mathrm{max}}$. The orbit therefore can no longer be a circle, the radial distance oscillates. Since potential energy changes, kinetic energy and velocity also change. In fact, $r_{\mathrm{min}}$ and $r_{\mathrm{max}}$ correspond to the semi-minor and semi-major axes of the ellipse. However, a simple energy diagram is not enough to show the motion is actually an ellipse. This can be obtained by solving Newton's second law in the form of the so-called Binet equation or exploring the conservation of the Runge-Lenz vector.
As you can see, a circular orbit is actually a very special orbit in the sense that the particle must have the exact energy $-\epsilon$. It is therefore statistically more probable that during a bounded orbit formation, the orbit be be non-circular, i.e. elliptical.
DiracologyDiracology
The laws of physics.
Take a tiny body (relative to the sun) and drop it off in some random position and velocity.
Its motion will be described by a conic section formula. As it falls toward the sun, it speeds up because that's how potential energy works. When it picks up enough speed, it flys away again because its tangential velocity is greater than what "falling" can bring back. Famously, Newton figured this out based on the premise of an inverse-square force.
If the body was dropped off with too much energy, the curve is a hyperbola and it flys away never to return. If it's aimed exactly right you get a line, which crashes into the sun. What's left? Ellipses.
The shape and speed behavior is a consequence of having a central force that falls off with the square of the distance.
$\begingroup$ I like this: "the only orbits you see are ellipses because all the others are ephemeral." $\endgroup$ – Floris May 29 '17 at 0:23
Not all orbiting bodies did originally have elliptical orbits.
Those that didn't either spiralled into (or away from) the sun or they acquired elliptical orbits (which are locally stable).
By the way, perfectly elliptical orbits are not possible according to GR.
lemonlemon
$\begingroup$ What do you mean by your first statement? As far as I remember, "orbiting" typically means that the object is not on an escape trajectory. $\endgroup$ – probably_someone May 28 '17 at 17:51
$\begingroup$ @probably_someone To quote Wiki: "Normally, orbit refers to a regularly repeating path around a body, although it may occasionally be used for a non recurring trajectory or a path around a point in space." $\endgroup$ – lemon May 28 '17 at 17:53
$\begingroup$ Ah, ok. That clears things up. $\endgroup$ – probably_someone May 28 '17 at 17:54
Compared to the Sun, planets are sufficiently tiny that they generally don't affect each other's orbits. Therefore, orbits in a typical solar system can be thought of as two-body interactions between a planet and the Sun. Closed two-body orbits are always elliptical (as per Kepler's First Law), and this can be derived directly from Newton's Laws. For a derivation, see the following: http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/classes/152.mf1i.spring02/KeplersLaws.htm.
probably_someoneprobably_someone
Some orbits look more circular than others, but nature never presents us with perfect circles. All orbits are ellipses to some extent. There are a few factors that influence eccentricity of the orbits. Most of the orbits are pretty much the same as when the solar system was first formed. Then you have the cumulative gravitational influences of the planets on each other, effect of the moons, collisions with other celestial objects, and the gravitation influences of comets and other kuiper belt objects that have extremely elliptical orbits that penetrate the solar system from time to time.
0tyranny 0poverty0tyranny 0poverty
$\begingroup$ No,this is incorrect. Go check the facts at nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet Venus has the least elliptical orbit. All the gas giants are less eccentric than Mars and Neptune is less eccentric than Earth. Mercury has the largest eccentricity of a major planet. $\endgroup$ – Bill N May 28 '17 at 19:18
$\begingroup$ @BillN Thank you for pointing that out. I have revised my answer to reflect. $\endgroup$ – 0tyranny 0poverty May 31 '17 at 13:58
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