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February 24th, 2004

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08:34 pm
OK, I need to hear from as many of you as I can in the next 90 or so minutes: do I want to go to a midnight showing of "The Passion of the Christ"? Doing so will not have a terribly huge bearing on my work tomorrow.

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Date:February 25th, 2004 10:25 am (UTC)

Re: Too late to respond

A question:
Don't Christians regard the crucifiction as a good thing? Don't they celebrate it as God's will, Jesus giving his life for the good Christians, etc, etc? If that's so, how can Christians hate Jews for killing Christ? Shouldn't they be thanking them?

Also: "rat-bastard ass-hats"... I'm amused.
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Date:February 25th, 2004 11:45 am (UTC)

Re: Too late to respond


I'm not sure if "thanking" anybody, Jews, Romans, or otherwise, for the torture of Jesus is on any Christian's agenda. See, this is where this gets mentally sticky for me... bear with me on these hypotheticals, and keep in mind I am saying these things as a Christian. If as a Christian I believe that Jesus rose from the dead to save the world from sin... and if I believe this was inevitable and foretold by prophecy...

...then it kind of distorts the whole concept of free will. Somebody had to kill him. It happened to be a few soldiers acting on orders from politicians bending to the will of a mob riled by authoritarian egomaniacs in fear for their power. But somebody had to be responsible. Somebody, like Judas Iscariot, had to betray him. If it's foretold, it had to happen, or what's the point of foretelling?

And if it had to happen, were those people truly responsible? And if they were not truly responsible, and free will was not a factor, then is free will ever a factor? And if not, why did we need a Savior?

So, yeah, it's a bit complex even for me, and I've spent a lifetime asking myself and theologians questions like these.

But yeah, if he hadn't been killed, then we wouldn't be saved, so his death (and resurrection, can't forget the resurrection) is a good thing, so why be pissed off at the people who helped bring about the salvation of the world? In my opinion, even the torture was "necessary". So there's no point in being mad. But some of those aforementioned rat-bastard ass-hats (I like that phrase, too), particularly the ignorant, stupid, racist types, decide that hey! We don't like that race of people, and here's another reason to hate them! Grrr! Get 'em!

And as I posted on my own LJ recently, the concept of deicide is rather weak. At best, if you believe in Jesus as the resurrected Savior, it was attempted deicide. (By law, as far as I am familiar with it for most states, if a person is killed but is then resuscitated, the perpetrator can't be charged with murder... just attempted murder.)

So, yeah. Necessary bad stuff, free will in question, rat-bastard ass-hat racists misusing misinformation for evil purposes, not the fault of the rest of us.


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