Breaking the Five-fold is Breaking the Torah–Titles and Leadership Part II

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This week I want you to meditate on what it would be like not to use your thumbs for a day ( try it) or possibly be deaf to sound. Shove cotton balls in your ears if you must. Picture being led by someone because you’ve lost your vision. Think of a time when you broke a bone and couldn’t use a limb. Picture the body as one whole with many parts. Now envision losing one part of your body this week. Gotta visual?

You shall appoint for yourself judges and officers in all your towns which the LORD your God is giving you, according to your tribes, and they shall judge the people with righteous judgment.” (Deuteronomy 16:18)

We left off in Part One of this teaching with multiple scriptures on how the Body should be flowing and working in order. I posted numerous scriptures from Acts and other books on the five-fold ministry and what it entails, like the verses below.
But in fact, God (Elohim) has placed the PARTS (plural) in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. (I Corinthians 12:18).
“Now there were at Antioch, in the church (ekklesia) that was there, prophets and teachers:” (Acts 13:1).
And God (Elohim) has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, and various kinds of tongues. (I Corinthians 12:28).
Many have read Ephesians 4, which mimics the verse above but shows a MATURE BODY.

Have we matured to the full measure? No, and why is that? Because we have thrown out the apostles and prophets, and we would do good to have them overseeing the teachers and the Elders.

We need corporate discipline! We need to be building on the foundation that He, (OUR FATHER), laid in Ephesians and Corinthians.
When you throw out the apostles and prophets, you break the Torah. You are actually not keeping His Commandments. We would be wise to ponder this!

If we don’t need apostles, teachers, and prophets, why did Rabbi Paul (Sha’ul) list the fivefold both in Ephesians and Corinthians?
Why did Luke write about all the different leaders and their titles in Acts? The Book of Acts was thought to have been written somewhere between 65 AD and 85 AD. Not once do we read that none of these ‘titles’ are needed after this period.
Why did Rabbi Sha’ul say this?
(Do your Elders preach and teach?) They should–because Elders are scholars.

Even Saul knew he couldn’t come before the prophet Samuel to inquire of his father’s donkeys without bringing a gift, but today we often don’t honor those who teach us enough to bless their ministries.  When was the last time you gave a love gift to the person you are running to for food? Carefully read these next few verses.
(Translating to give the sense so that they understood the reading.)

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But we men and women in the West don’t need teachers or people to explain anything? And teachers sure don’t need apostles and prophets checking up on them or working beside them? Not true! And it would be beneficial for the Body to know its parts. Even a child like my grandson starts to learn their body parts at an early age. They point to their nose, ears, eyes, hands, feet, etc. Israel doesn’t even know their body parts.
“A Song of Ascents, of David. Behold, how good and how pleasant it is For brothers to dwell together in unity!” We look like a Mister Potato head without any parts. The oil is needed.

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“Behold, how good and how pleasant it is
For brothers to dwell together in unity!
2It is like the precious oil upon the head,
Coming down upon the beard,
Even Aaron’s beard,
Coming down upon the edge of his robes.” Psalm 133.
No, it’s not about titles, but what if you were hired for a new job and you walked into the office or door of the assembly, and they said: “go to work.”
“Doing what?”
“Oh, we don’t like to give titles or explain what your job is here at the plant/ office, so just do whatever?”
Not asking of what you were trained to do or gifted to do would be quite ignorant.
From the beginning, Moses needed help, and seventy men were chosen for assistance. Aaron and Miriam were also there with titles and gifting. One verse that often gets misconstrued is the next one from 1st Timothy.
Do not lay hands upon anyone too hastily and thereby share responsibility for the sins of others; keep yourself free from sin” (I Timothy 5:17, 22).
They laid hands on them to anoint them for offices (plural). This verse isn’t about demons jumping on you. All these false doctrines have crept in, and even in the Messianic groups.
Many teach that these groups listed in Ephesians were only for that time period and after the Gospel was preached throughout the earth, all we need today are teachers, and some do not even think they need a teacher. And they sure wouldn’t give them the title of teacher, even if they were a Rabbi, a master; a man or women so sold out, they would devote their whole lives to the study of Our Father’s Words. Studying both day and night and many times for hours longer than your work week. But we do not honor them, and we often lack honor among each other.

Oh, Abba pour the oil over the head and let it fall down even to the skirts before You pull our skirts up for all to see our nakedness.
When people fight against the leadership and the order that The Father sets into place, it grieves me. Not because I am itching to get a title, no, the calling is one of crushing and crushing at times is a thorn in the flesh—a daily burden. “Did I give birth to all these people?” If you think the apostles, prophets, evangelist, teachers, and missionaries back then did not have a burden, you are wrong. We are told to bear one another’s burdens. They died horrific deaths for the Gospel.

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Why do people fight so much against order? There are many different gifts given by the same Spirit, but how can anyone use theirs and strengthen it if they don’t even believe they have any?

If you are in leadership and you do not have an apostle or prophet over  your ministry, I beg you to reconsider. Half the garbage being preached among us would be thrown out if we had the offices of leadership in place. If we had apostles like Paul, Rabbi Shaul, who told the Corinthians, “I’ll straighten out this mess when I get there,” we would do good. May He mature and open the eyes of the self anointed and appointed and those He has called to an order of leadership, so we can get busy looking and operating as a Body that works like a fine tuned machine, oiled and prepared to set up camp and set up schools, and to have all the positions in place as needed.

We are breaking His Torah by not building on the foundation He set up.

Next, I will discuss mentors and being mentored.  This may turn into a series and possibly a later book because my heart is so grieved over what I see and hear. And because I long for unity.

Part I HERE. 








Photos taken from unsplash.

Roberta Sorge–olive oil

Torah- Tanner Mardris

Blindfold– Ryoji Iwata


3 Comments Add yours

  1. Lisa Sargent says:

    Your blogs are always educational!
    So much action is needed.

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  2. eshetchayil says:

    Thank you, thank you, thank you! A working Body has been burning in me for so long. Years ago, I had a vision of three churches. The church of the arms, the church of the legs, and the church of the heads. In my vision, an arm from the church of the arms came into the church of the legs. But it was not allowed to be an arm. It had to conform to become a leg and in trying to fit in, it became useless – both as an arm and as a leg. More recently, our little fellowship is struggling to recognize individual giftings and callings as well as those around us in order to function as a whole body with pieces parts in place, each respected and allowed to operate. It is hard to break out of the millenia old paradigm, and I pray we do not stumble back into the complacency of ease and convenience.

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    1. Tekoa says:

      What a great analogy!! Thanks for sharing and adding wisdom to the message. Blessings, Chayil. I pray you are unpacking and getting settled.


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