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---Logopened Fri Jan 09 00:00:34 2004
00:05<captbunzo>Octane: you still here?
00:05<captbunzo>what kernel should I be using?
00:05<captbunzo>what would you recommend, that is.
00:06<captbunzo>and are there any special patches that I should have applied to it before compiling?
00:06<Octane>uhmmmm low latency i think
00:06<Octane>a bunch of stuff that are recommended
00:07<Octane>READ the ML!
00:07<captbunzo>so, it's better for me to search for a needle in a haystack then for you to just give me the help that I need?
00:08<Octane>fuck off
00:09<Octane>searchable mailing list
00:09<Octane>thats how ever user did it, and so should you. or read the many docs and howtos
00:09<captbunzo>thanks, punk.
00:09<Octane> has many tuts
00:09<Octane>captbunzo one thing i learned about the mythtv users is that its most a do-it-yourself. you will not get spoonfed every command
00:10<Octane>there is a wonderful mailing list where you can get assistance on issues that have not been discussed. but most of them have, so many of us hate repeating ourselves, over and over again
00:10<Octane>the questions you are asking are the most basic questions
00:10<Octane>neither i or anyone else will waste their time on a user who has obviously not read a single mythtv-related sentence
00:11<captbunzo>you know what, if you guys put together a decent FAQ or whatnot, jackass, you wouldn't have to repeat yourself so many times.
00:11<Octane>okay im done with you, really
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00:11<captbunzo>don't be an asshole - I have worked on Open Source Software projects for years. I understand having the "same old questions" asked.
00:12<captbunzo>you can do the best you can by actually putting the material together in a usable format.
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00:12<Octane>then you out of everyone should know to trfm first
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00:13<Octane>checkout knoppmyth out perhaps its more suited for you
00:14<captbunzo>I did RTFM first, you jackass.
00:15<captbunzo>the FM doesn't have the F answer.
00:15<captbunzo>I did every F thing the FM said.
00:15<Octane>new mythtv acro: RTFML
00:15<captbunzo>bah, no excuse to be an asshole.
00:15<captbunzo>it's fine to say "I'm sorry, I don't have time to help you now".
00:15<captbunzo>it's another thing to just be a jerk.
00:17<Octane>look over our entire conversation and see why i got frustrated dude
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00:18<captbunzo>you got rude when your quick fix didn't fix the problem.
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00:44<tdb30_>hey, when I tell mythweb to record a show it seems to remove any shows I had scheduled before from the list of shows to record. what am I doing wrong?
00:45*DJ_Rican hasn't messed with mythweb... trying to setup mythgame... :)
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00:50<captbunzo>Octane: I am SURE you'd be glad to know I am having some success.
00:54<Octane>yah!! nice
00:54<captbunzo>Octane: I apologize for being a bit offensive earlier.
00:55<Octane>'sall good
00:55<captbunzo>of course, I still don't have audio.
00:56<captbunzo>and the video seems to hickup about once per second.
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00:58<DJ_Rican>hmm... does anyone know ho to make mame games appear fullscreen?
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00:59<Salec>can someone help me? I have a pvr 350 and cannot get the output to work with X
00:59<captbunzo>here's an easy one, how do I change the channel?
00:59<Salec>all the drivers are installed
00:59<Salec>and I can dd fine
01:00<Octane>rmmod ivtv
01:00<captbunzo>ah, again.
01:00<Octane>cd /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/media/video
01:00<Octane>mv msp3400.o msp3400.o.back
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01:00<Octane>then modprobe ivtv
01:01<Octane>depmod -a first though
01:02<Salec>i did that
01:02<Salec>everything but ivtv-fb is loaded
01:02<Salec>i have a voodoo3 PCI and a WinTV PVR 350 fyi
01:02<Salec>when i run modprobe ivtv-fb my terminal display on my monitor just sits there and hangs
01:03<Salec>but i can still type
01:03<captbunzo>Octane: lirc_dev and lirc_i2c are not required for audio, correct?
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01:06<captbunzo>woooho, audio working.
01:06<Salec>now my prob :)
01:08<Salec>someone in here has to have a pvr 350 :(
01:09<tdb30_>I have a 350
01:10<tdb30_>but I'm a nobody
01:23<Salec>can you help me to get it working in linux?
01:25<tdb30_>you should go to channel #ivtv-dev there are more knowledgable people than I there.
01:25<tdb30_>and that channel is devoted to the PVR 350 and 250 cards
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01:25<Salec>i am in there
01:25<Salec>and they can't help me :(
01:25<tdb30_>did you read the documentation?
01:26<Salec>the problem is using ivtv-fb
01:26<Octane>captbunzo: those are for lirc
01:27<captbunzo>I'm working on other pieces of the equation.
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01:28<captbunzo>Got to recompile my kernel to enable DMA.
01:28<dyrty>anyone running mythtv in gentoo?
01:28<dyrty>I do not see a setup directory in /usr/share/mythtv on my gentoo box
01:29<captbunzo>is lirc compiled with the main kernel, or seperately?
01:29<dyrty>I'm on step 9 in myth tv documentation
01:29<captbunzo>(if it is with the main kernel, then I want to compile that now)
01:31<captbunzo>looks like I can compile the module individually...
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01:42<dyrty>what do I put for my videi device and VBI device when using a PVR250?
01:43<dyrty>anyone here?
01:46<tdb30_>do you have /dev/vb0
01:46<tdb30_>or something like that?
01:46<tdb30_>err vbi0
01:47<dyrty>can look
01:47<dyrty>video1934? do not see vbi0
01:48<captbunzo>must reboot
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01:48<tdb30_>I don't know then
01:48<tdb30_>I have a /dev/vbi0
01:48<dyrty>u have a PVR250?
01:49<dyrty>hmm 250 here
01:49<tdb30_>also you proably want to use /dev/video or /dev/video1 or whatever for your video.. to answer your first part.
01:49<overridex>has anyone here made this ir blaster?
01:50<dyrty>ug lol just see video1934
01:50<tdb30_>I'm not familiar with vbi on the 250 .... I'm not familiar on it on a 350 either but I know that /dev/vbi0 exists for me
01:50<tdb30_>is it symlinked to /v4l/something
01:50<dyrty>using 2.6 kernel should I switch back to 2.4?
01:51<tdb30_>don't know if it would help or not.
01:53<o_cee>there is no vbi suppport with the x50 cards
01:53<tdb30_>not even on the 350?
02:02<Octane>hi o_cee
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02:10<captbunzo>dma working now, audio down again.
02:11<Chutt>oh wow
02:11<rehan>hi - is there a way to setup mythtv without using mythtv-setup? I don't have an X server on the backend machine
02:11<Chutt>is someone on the users list actually saying that they want to display hdtv resolution, fully decoded video across a network?
02:11<Chutt>rehan, export the display.
02:11<rehan>yep - tried that, mythtv-setup segfaults
02:11<o_cee>is the guy who wrote myth_categorize here?
02:12<captbunzo>Octane: should I be using us-bcast or us-cable?
02:12<captbunzo>I assume cable for cable, right?
02:12<Chutt>captbunzo, cable
02:12<Chutt>rehan, exporting the display works perfectly here
02:14<rehan>is there a text-mode setup or a guide on how to configure some text files
02:14<Octane>Chutt, any idea why my video is interlaced even though deinterlace is checked? i compiled with xvmc, it worked but w/ interlaced video.... recompiled w/o but now its interlaced
02:14<Chutt>octane, nope
02:14<Octane>should i try cvs?
02:15<Chutt>if you want
02:15<Octane>would it matter on this issue?
02:16<Chutt>since it's a config issue on your end
02:16<Octane>Deinterlace is set to 1 though ugh, it worked before i messed with xvmc
02:16<Octane>that was stupid of me to try xvmc
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02:20<Octane>Chutt any steps i cant take to troubleshoot/debug?
02:20<Chutt>not that i'm aware of
02:21<Octane>maybe myth still thinks im using xvmc so it ignores Deinterlace's value
02:21<o_cee>do a distclean, that always helps :)
02:21<Octane>i did
02:22<dyrty>anyone here use a PVR250?
02:22<Octane>make clean distclean you mean?
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02:22<Salec>hey guys i'm trying to get the tv out of the pvr350 to work and am having a few probs
02:23<Chutt>salec, ask in the ivtv channel.
02:23<Chutt>or on the ivtv list.
02:23<o_cee>Salec: wtf
02:24<thor_>Chutt, yes ... and they seem very proud of their GigE interface
02:24<Chutt>o_cee, hey, so, have you touched gant at all?
02:24<Octane>i was just about to ask that
02:24<Octane>thats the only theme i use :)
02:24<o_cee>Chutt: nope, not really.. just moved the files and change the dirname ;)
02:24<Chutt>thor, uncompressed hdtv is something like 750mbps
02:25<Chutt>o_cee, you had said something about an update before you took off last month :p
02:25<Salec>kthey are being dicks in that chan
02:25<thor_>and if I parsed correctly, the same little box is supposed to be a firewall and mail server ?
02:25<o_cee>heh, yeah :) i know... i'll try to look at it asap
02:25<Chutt>thor, i thought one guy was wanting to use an xbox
02:25<Chutt>which, afaik, only does 100mbps =)
02:25<thor_>yeah, something like that
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02:26<thor_>how goes the micro-myth-app framework ?
02:27<captbunzo>something has gone all to heck
02:27<captbunzo>I rebooted.
02:27<captbunzo>and now I can't get sound to work.
02:27<captbunzo>and I am getting this vertical banding that sucks.
02:28<Chutt>sound's probably the wrong msp3400
02:28<Chutt>and the vertical banding should go away after changing the inputs
02:28<Chutt>either way, you're in the wrong channel to be discussing ivtv related problems
02:28<Chutt>thor, i haven't touched anything, been working and stuff
02:29<thor_>ah, work
02:29<captbunzo>Chutt: is there a RIGHT channel around here?
02:30<o_cee>ivtv-users mailinglist
02:30<Chutt>or whatever the hell it's called
02:31<Chutt>i'm really quite fed up with people bitching to _me_ about ivtv problems
02:31<Chutt>instead of to kevin =)
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02:31<captbunzo>I used to run an open source project called SquirrelMail.
02:31<captbunzo>I was just glad that people were interested in our software.
02:32<o_cee>Chutt: no news from Mr. Engel? seems to be very promising progress on the 350 support
02:32<Chutt>o_cee, he posted an updated patch a few hours ago
02:32<o_cee>oh? haven't gotten it yet then
02:32<o_cee>getting quite large delays sometimes
02:33<Chutt>captbunzo, ya, see, that 'just glad to have users' feeling goes away once your -users mailing list starts getting > 100 messages a day
02:33<captbunzo>hmmnn, let me think, SquirrelMail was Sourceforge Project of the Month for Dec 02 (or so)
02:34<captbunzo>did we have busy mailing lists, let me remember.
02:34<captbunzo>how about for some real fun - help me figure out what the heck is causing this vertical banding.
02:35<Chutt>change inputs on the card, like i said.
02:35<Chutt>hell, search the ivtv list archives
02:35<Chutt>that's been discussed often enough
02:35<Octane>when chutt will be old with grandchildren he will get the glad to have users feeling :)
02:35<o_cee>new patch sounds promising
02:35<captbunzo>change inputs on the card?
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02:36<Chutt>test_ioctl -p 0 ; test_ioctl -p 4
02:36<Octane>captbunzo try running the test_ioctl stuff we did earlie again
02:36<Chutt>if that doesn't work, unload/reload the driver
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02:37<captbunzo>i've tried that./
02:37<captbunzo>it didn't help!
02:37<Octane>do this
02:37<Octane>remove your pvr250
02:37<Octane>and mail it to PO Box 2391
02:37<Octane>New York, NY 10025
02:38<captbunzo>at least that was a good answer :)
02:38<captbunzo>I'm getting there, slowly but surely.
02:38<Octane>i will send you pictures of it working :D
02:38<captbunzo>and I figured out the DMA crap all by myself.
02:38<Octane>captbunzo it has taken the average mythtv user a month to set up his first mythtv box
02:38<Chutt>i doubt that
02:38<Octane>that would actually be an interesting survey
02:39<thor_>Chi squared distribution I'd bet
02:39<Octane>i am talking about getting a 100% working mythtv box that needs no tweaking
02:39<Chutt>people who are smart and use knoppmyth or follow jarod's walkthrough perfectly should be up in a couple hours
02:39<Chutt>assuming their hardware doesn't suck
02:39<captbunzo>not suprising.
02:39<captbunzo>jarod's walkthrough - that sounds promising.
02:39<captbunzo>where can I find that?
02:39<Chutt>it's for redhat
02:40<Octane>or fedora
02:40<Octane>the first time i set up myth i did jarod's walkthrough and it took me about 6 hours
02:41<captbunzo>gotta love it - "get and install apt"...
02:41<captbunzo>er, Debian, done...
02:42<Chutt>if you're using debian, just go source :p
02:42<captbunzo>for what, all of it?
02:42<Chutt>naw, just for mythtv
02:43<captbunzo>well, there's someone that has a apt repository for mythtv.
02:43<captbunzo>that part was no trouble.
02:43<Octane>just do that
02:44<captbunzo>Chutt: is there some reason to not use that apt source?
02:44<Chutt>not really
02:44<captbunzo>okie, seems to be working fine.
02:44<o_cee>i've been running cvs from the beginning
02:44<captbunzo>hehe. :)
02:44<Chutt>you're just having problems with the ivtv driver
02:44<captbunzo>cvs is fun.
02:44<captbunzo>something like that, perhaps.
02:44<Chutt>not myth
02:44<o_cee>more exciting
02:45*captbunzo is looking over jarod's walkthough.
02:45<captbunzo>do you guys recommend using alsa or not?
02:45<rehan>aha - found out why my mythtv-setup failed - i didn't install the mythtv-frontend deb, which contains the themes
02:46<rehan>i must say - it looks jolly nice
02:46<Chutt>alsa's only recommended because it supports full-duplex on more cards than the stock oss drivers do
02:46<Chutt>and newer cards, as well
02:46<Chutt>if the kernel drivers work, use em
02:47<Salec>anyone here have a pvr350?
02:47<Octane>why dont you ask one more time
02:47<o_cee>Salec: DAMMIT! i WAS helping you in the right channel
02:47<Salec>no you werne't
02:47<Salec>you were being a dick
02:47<Octane>lol again
02:47<Octane>lol a third time
02:47<o_cee>hehe :)
02:48<o_cee>if you can't fugire out how to activate verbose logging for X, you're to stupid to play with myth anyway
02:48<captbunzo>does a remote frontend allow you to watch tv from another box?
02:48<captbunzo>as in one that the tv card is NOT in?
02:49<captbunzo>I suppose that'll really only work well on a LAN.
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02:50<thor_>hmmm ... WMA seeking patch
02:50<captbunzo>what's the url for that better interface to the list archives?
02:50<Chutt>linked to from the list section of the webpage
02:50<Chutt>the ivtv lists are elsewhere, 'course
02:51<thor_>play your WMA's on your PC in iTunes by copying them to your linux-based myth box .... gotta do it
02:51<Octane>captbunzo i gave you the url earlier
02:52<captbunzo>I know, I rebooted.
02:52<captbunzo>I guess I can check my history. :)
02:52<Octane>that would be too much work!
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02:53<Octane>your getting roytal treatment tonight compared to other users, dont waste it on url questions :D
02:53<captbunzo>that was meant to be a "woohoo" that I found the url.
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02:54<captbunzo>I am totally lost on this "switch inputs" and vertical banding goes away bit.
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02:56<captbunzo>ha! screw that.
02:56<captbunzo>it just magically went away...
02:56<Chutt>thor, did you see that patch?
02:56<captbunzo>hmmnn. get lirc working or sleep.
02:56<Chutt>it closes, reopens, and then seeks to the position
02:57<captbunzo>hmmnn... :)
02:57<Chutt>since those files don't have (afaik) seek tables or whatnot
02:57<Chutt>it's going to have to regenerate the internal data in libavformat each and every time you seek
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02:59<Octane>Chutt you must in your inifinite knowledge know of something
03:00<Octane>mythtv was working perfect, then being the overachiever i am, i compiled with xvmc and interlacing just wont go away even though i have recompiled w/o it
03:00<captbunzo>Octane: why do you want to get rid of interlacing?
03:01<Octane>captbunzo: youll see when you get your box running hehe
03:01<captbunzo>(I know that is a basic, stupid question)
03:01<Octane>it creaters terrible scanlines on fast-moving video
03:01<captbunzo>it's running
03:01<Octane>wow i really need to start using xchat, i have so many spelling mistakes
03:02<captbunzo>I'm curious to understand the technical side of what it means to "get rid of interlacing".
03:02<Octane>to make it de0interlaced
03:02<Octane>the nvidia drivers dont do it
03:02<Octane>on linux at least
03:02<Octane>so myth tries to
03:03<captbunzo>I assume there is a FM for that too? :)
03:04<Octane>lol no
03:04<captbunzo>where can I find a list of the keys that control mythtv while watching tv?
03:05<Octane>keys.txt in mythtv
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03:06<thor_>anyone used Windows Media Player .... I'm assuming I want "Protect Content" turned off in the Options Dialog
03:06<Octane>it doesnt make a difference but turn it off
03:06<o_cee\afk>thor_: get Zoom Player instead
03:06<thor_>I just need a .wma to test some stuff with
03:07<o_cee\afk>nevermind :)
03:07<captbunzo>Octane: is that mythtv (for keys.txt) in the source, or what?
03:07<Octane>or in /usr/share/doc or whatever
03:08<Octane>while on the subject of media players for windows, Media Player Classic is probably the best :D
03:08<Chutt>or just run mythweb, and go to the keybindings setup page in there
03:08<Octane>that too
03:08<o_cee\afk>or locate keys.txt
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03:09<Octane>that too
03:09<Octane>or slam your hands on the keyboard and have a pen & paper ready
03:09<o_cee\afk>anyone looked at the categorize script? dunno how to add foreign characthers.. now all my shows are "Reality" :)
03:09<o_cee\afk>that too
03:09<Octane>or talk to your computer
03:11<Octane>here is media player classic if anyone is interested
03:11<Octane>the guy has worked on a trillion other open source video-related projects
03:11<Octane>they are all there
03:11<Octane>time to heat up some soup
03:14<o_cee\afk>Zoom Player is still the best.
03:15<captbunzo>fun stuff. :)
03:16<Octane>try mpc please :)
03:17<o_cee\afk>never :)
03:17<Octane>do it or i stop using gant
03:17<o_cee\afk>d'oh. allright ;)
03:17<Octane>i bought two controllers today for my mythbox
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03:17<Octane>gamepads i mean
03:18<o_cee\afk>i bought an xbox instead :)
03:18<o_cee\afk>alot more fun
03:18<Octane>10 bucks each
03:18<Octane>and they rock
03:19<captbunzo>man, this is very cool...
03:19<captbunzo>I'm going to have to hookup a tv out now.
03:20<Octane>yes it is
03:21<o_cee\afk>captbunzo: now you just need a cooler theme. i recommend using G.A.N.T. ;D
03:25<Octane>i didnt know it was an acronym
03:26<captbunzo>what how does one open the program finder?
03:27<Octane>i dont think i have ever met a lazier person
03:29<captbunzo>oh give me a break.
03:29<captbunzo>its 2:30 AM here.
03:29<Octane>beat ya, its 3:30 here
03:29<captbunzo>I read the stinking keys.txt file.
03:29<captbunzo>the keys file doesn't say how to get to the program finder.
03:29<Octane>its in the gui dude
03:29<o_cee\afk>wich "program finder" do you mean?
03:30<Octane>did you run mythfilldatabase?
03:31<captbunzo>if I didn't run mythfilldatabase then I would have any channel data.
03:31<captbunzo>yes, I did.
03:31<captbunzo>I'm not a total dork.
03:31<captbunzo>I just can't figure out how to get to the program finder.
03:32<Octane>in the gui
03:32<Octane>Schedule Recording
03:32<Octane>Program Finder
03:33<captbunzo>I hadn't gone into Schedule Recording yet.
03:33<o_cee\afk>lazy :)
03:33<Octane>for all the patience ive had with you someone must help me with my interlaced video problem
03:33<captbunzo>tell me where you started.
03:34<Octane>i was being a smartass and i tried mythtv with xvmc support
03:34<Octane>when xvmc is enabled, video cant be manipulated, so no deinterlacing
03:34<Octane>i disabled it and recompiled
03:34<Octane>xvmc is off, but video is still interlaced
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03:35<captbunzo>you were right.
03:35<captbunzo>me being able to help you with that IS funny.
03:35<Octane>lol :D
03:35<captbunzo>do you have an wishlist?
03:35<o_cee\afk>muhahhaa :)
03:35<Octane>1. i dont and 2. dude thanks but i dont deserve SHIT
03:36<Octane>none of the devs have one either btw
03:36<captbunzo>that's funny.
03:36<captbunzo>oh well.
03:36<captbunzo>they should
03:36<Octane>they ignore any wishlist/donation requests
03:36<o_cee\afk>kevin (the ivtv guy) has one
03:37<Octane>when i become the major developer for mythgame, ill have wishlist
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03:37<Octane>but that wont happen for another 4 years
03:37<Octane>4 million i mean
03:37<Octane>o_cee\afk am i skipping a step
03:38<Octane>make clean distclean
03:38<o_cee\afk>but, no
03:38<Octane>right right
03:38<o_cee\afk>do a cvs update as well maybe :)
03:38<o_cee\afk>check the db manually for the deinterlace setting
03:39<o_cee\afk>so that there's not two of the same setting or something fucked up like that
03:39<o_cee\afk>try disabling it, then enabling it..
03:39<o_cee\afk>remember that you need to cycle throu it all to save it (finish)
03:40<Octane>yah i did
03:40<Octane>dude i think i did it
03:40<Octane>i dropped my settings table
03:40<o_cee\afk>wh00p :)
03:40<Octane>and ran the statesments to set it back to defaults
03:41<Octane>omg oc oh no!! it made blue my default theme, what should i do!!!
03:41<o_cee\afk>muhahhaha! :)
03:41<o_cee\afk>settings -> appearance
03:41*Octane faints
03:41<Octane>i cant its too late
03:41<Octane>i have melted
03:45<captbunzo>one more dumb question, then I'll install my themes and go to bed,.
03:46<captbunzo>what a shame
03:46<captbunzo>I figured it out for myself. :)
03:48<captbunzo>for installing themes, do you just copy them to the themes directory, or is there something more?
03:48<o_cee\afk>that's it
03:48<captbunzo>gotta install G.A.N.T., afterall. :)
03:48<o_cee\afk>yeah :)
03:51<Octane>im back in business baby!
03:51<captbunzo>woohoo, "installed".
03:51<captbunzo>let's give er a try...
03:51<captbunzo>Octane: regular, or your fancy non-interlaced mode?
03:51<Octane>captbunzo im in a good mood, so ask me as many questions as you want!
03:52<Octane>my soups all cold now
03:52<Octane>i was mtythvsetup happy
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03:53<captbunzo>my glass of orange juice is warm.
03:53<Octane>im going to drink from the coke bottle now brb
03:53<captbunzo>ooooh, pretty.
03:54<Octane>im gonan call my gf and tell her i fixe dit
03:54<Octane>she was pissed off at me cuz i was ignoring her while we were on the phone
03:54<Octane>because i was trying to fix it
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03:54<captbunzo>man, mythtv is freakin awesome.
03:54<Salec>don't say that
03:55*Salec can't get it to work with his pvr 350 ;_;
03:55<captbunzo>so, are there other additional themes besides the 4 on the main site?
03:56<Salec>knight-: you wouldn't by anychangce have a pvr350 would ya?
03:56<Octane>Salec now youre like that bum outside of mcdonalds in my neighborhood
03:56<o_cee\afk>Salec: WRONG CHANNEL STILL
03:56<knight->Salec, no i use pvr250's... you need to visit the ivtv website.
03:57<knight->captbunzo, yes, but you'll have to search the mailing lists for them.
03:57<o_cee\afk>you need to wait a couple of weeks before getting the 350 up, drivers and myth cvs should be alot better by then.
03:57<captbunzo>that's ok.
03:57<o_cee\afk>captbunzo: none that's updated and work with cvs i'd say
03:57<captbunzo>I probably don't care that much.
03:57<o_cee\afk>or .13
03:58<captbunzo>Purplegalaxy is broken.
03:58<o_cee\afk>probably just gant and visor that actually works
03:58<captbunzo>what a shame.
03:58<captbunzo>PG is pretty.
03:59<o_cee\afk>i made gant if you didn't notice.. that's the one you should use :)
03:59<captbunzo>ah... hehe.
03:59<captbunzo>gant was the one I looked at first.
04:00<captbunzo>my wife's favorite color is purple.
04:00<captbunzo>she REALLY likes purple.
04:00<knight->really, myth should identify what version themes are, and then should use limited theme functionality for old themes
04:00<captbunzo>so I have this natural inclinations towards all things purple... :)
04:00<knight->to maintain "backwards compatibility"
04:00<captbunzo>yeah, it'd be nice if mythtv didn't just explode when it had a theme issue.
04:01<captbunzo>hmmnn, let's see if sleek blows up as well....
04:01<o_cee\afk>it's pretty new
04:02<captbunzo>Octane: btw, aside from lirc/remote control, I seem to have gotten mythtv up and working in just a couple of days?
04:02<captbunzo>with a little help. :)
04:03<captbunzo>sleek works.
04:03<captbunzo>pretty simple, not bad.
04:03<captbunzo>gotta try out visor...
04:03<captbunzo>then I'll switch back to gant. :)
04:06<Octane>captbunzo: well done :D
04:06<Octane>captbunzo: but now youll see what i mean itll take you a month untl you leave it alone
04:06<captbunzo>Octane: fun to tweak.
04:06<Octane>sure is
04:07<captbunzo>Octane: is there a way to get change the number of channel rows in the EPG?
04:07<Octane>edit the database or use mythweb to do it
04:07<Octane>ohh oops
04:07<Octane>yes in the setup
04:07<Octane>under uhmm
04:07<Octane>i forget
04:07<Octane>tv settings somewhere
04:12<captbunzo>found it
04:12<captbunzo>anyhow, thanks again for the help.
04:13<captbunzo>sorry again for being a bit crabby earlier.
04:13<captbunzo>Octane, I assume you are active on the lists?
04:13<captbunzo>ah, whatever.
04:13<captbunzo>night all.
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04:13<Octane>lsnot at all
04:14<Octane>not active*
04:14<Octane>well i am active when i have a problem or on that rare ocassion where ive done something useful lol
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05:59<PCjabber-solderi>heh, diodes matter, on which way they are soldered, right?
05:59PCjabber-solderiis now known as PCjabber
06:00<PCjabber>and if so, how do I tell the direction of them?
06:00<StuartL>There's a black stripe.
06:00<StuartL>That black stripe is the cathode/negative.
06:00<StuartL>That's "downstream".
06:00<StuartL>So if you connected the cathode to 0v and the anode to 5v it would conduct and short out your supply.
06:00<StuartL>The other way round wouldn't.
06:04<PCjabber>k thanks =)
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06:38<overridex>has anyone here made this ir blaster?
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07:52<ronino2>hello again
07:52<ronino2>i'm trying to compile 0.13
07:52<ronino2>but i doesn't go on with globalsettings.cpp
07:52<ronino2>the computer is getting slow, the compiler seems to grab all the cpu
07:53<ronino2>is this a known issue?
07:53<ronino2>i had the same problem with globalsettings.cpp with version 0.12
07:54<oc>no such problems
07:54<oc>do "make clean && make distclean && make
07:55<oc>do "make clean && make distclean && qmake && make" :)
07:55<ronino2>maybe it's got to do with the -march=pentiumpro gcc flag
07:55<ronino2>i'm running an amd duron
07:55<oc>why so?
07:55<ronino2>i don't know
07:55<oc>pentiumpro should always work
07:56<ronino2>i'm just trying to find out the reason
07:56<oc>what error do you get? have you tried distclean? are you running 0.13 or CVS?
07:56<ronino2>there is no error
07:56<ronino2>it just eats up all the cpu and doesn't get further with globalsettings.cpp
07:57<ronino2>it compiles that file for half an hour and more
07:57<ronino2>i guess that's not normal
07:57<oc>then it's more likely to be like a gcc problem
07:57<oc>depends on your cpu
07:57<oc>it takes time to compile myth
07:57<ronino2>i know
07:57<ronino2>but not hours for one file ;-)
07:57<oc>what version of gcc?
07:57<oc>you said 30 mins :)
07:58<ronino2>gcc (GCC) 3.3.1 (Mandrake Linux 9.2 3.3.1-4mdk)
07:58<ronino2>damn ;-)
07:58<oc>gcc (GCC) 3.2.3 20030422 (Gentoo Linux 1.4 3.2.3-r3, propolice)
07:58<oc>that one's working at least
07:58<oc>dunno, mail -users or something
07:58<ronino2>oc: can you send me your gcc? ;-)
07:58<oc>probably not a good idea :)
07:59<oc>it's glocalsettings.cpp in mythfrontend?
08:00<oc>and you still didn't answer my questions before
08:00<ronino2>there's only one such file
08:00<oc>(mythvideo has one as well)
08:01<oc>(and mythmusic)
08:01<ronino2>i didn't try distclean
08:01<ronino2>and it's 0.13
08:01<oc>try distclean
08:01<oc>and clean
08:01<oc>and ./configure
08:01<oc>and qmake
08:01<oc>and make
08:02<ronino2>qmake exactly, right?
08:02<oc>i don't have to do that, but yeah
08:02<oc>something like that
08:03<ronino2>i did as you suggested
08:03<ronino2>it compiles again
08:03<oc>yepp.. let me knpow
08:03<ronino2>takes some time to reach globalsettings.cpp
08:03<oc>yeah :)
08:03<oc>but if that doesn't work, send an email instead
08:03<ronino2>okay, and where?
08:04<ronino2>unfortunately i haven't found out how to SEARCH the mailinglists
08:04<oc>it says "archive"
08:05<ronino2>but no search button or something
08:05<oc>heh, sure there is :)
08:05<ronino2>shouldn't archives be searchable? ;-)
08:05<oc>"Here is the mailing list archive for MythTV-users."
08:05<oc>not that one
08:06<oc>look there at the bottom
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08:08<ronino2>that's why links shouldn't be labeled "here"
08:08<ronino2>or "click here"
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08:08<o_cee>heheh ;)
08:18<o_cee>gotten there yet?
08:18<ronino2>nope, gcc is at moc_mythcontext.cpp
08:18<ronino2>i got 750 mhz
08:18<StuartL>I have mythTV compiled apparently.
08:21<o_cee>did anyone try the categorize script? or is familiar with bash scripting?
08:22<StuartL>I know bash scripting.
08:22<StuartL>What's up?
08:23<o_cee>you know what the script does?
08:23<o_cee>it categorizes stuff that doesn't have categories, like my listning ;)
08:24<o_cee>there's a bunch of files named after the category, example Comedy
08:24<o_cee>inside, there's words that should be matched, for example Komedi in swedish
08:24<o_cee>tricky part is swedish characters, like \xE5\xE4\xF6
08:24<o_cee>he has some of them (the guy who wrote it is danish) but i haven't been able to figure them all out
08:25<StuartL>What can I do to help?
08:25<o_cee>example it says: "æventyr" wich should be the right way to do it.. any suggestions?
08:25<o_cee>i need a way to enter "\xE5" the same way he did so that i don't break it :)
08:26<StuartL>You should be able to use the alt-keycode shortcut.
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08:26<StuartL>e.g. Try holding down the alt key and type 138 on the numeric keypad.
08:28<o_cee>it seems they need to be in some other format
08:28<o_cee>he has:
08:28<o_cee>"æventyr" wich _should_ be: "\xC4ventyr" (correctly so to speak)
08:28<StuartL>Is this matching against xmltv or something?
08:28<o_cee>it looks directly against the db
08:29<o_cee>hmm, unicode or something?
08:29<StuartL>Perhaps, could be.
08:29<StuartL>What is the field format in the DB?
08:30<StuartL>Pop into mysql and do a "show columns from tablenamegoeshere;"
08:30<o_cee>"description text"
08:31<o_cee>how do i make nano write unicode then.. hmm :)
08:38<GreyFoxx>and for less typing but the same output, describe tablename;
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08:50<StuartL>GreyFoxx: Didn't know that one :)
08:54<dja>ok, can someone tell me what "afk" is? I've seen several people change their nick by adding "afk"...:-)
08:55<StuartL>Away From Keyboard
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09:06<ronino2>damn, hangs again
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09:17<ronino2>o_cee\afk: make distclean didn't help
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09:29<Henk_Poley>My hardware just arrived, but the CPU has a broken pin :-(
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10:29<_rkulagow>chutt: are you here?
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11:50<Chutt>rkulagow, what's up?
11:56<unixxprt>has anyone used a radio shack 276-640 IR reciever?
11:56<unixxprt>I need to know a pinout on it
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11:56<pcjabber>the diagram isnt very clear
12:00<pahli_bar>pcjabber: i built a receiver with it. i don't have pin layout right now with me
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12:02<pcjabber>k thanks pahli
12:02<pcjabber>do you remember if the middle pin was + or GND?
12:02<pcjabber>did you use the reciever?
12:04<pahli_bar>pcjabber: hm. i used another circuit but looking at the lirc circuit it seems to be the same (with TSOP 1738)
12:05<pahli_bar>pcjabber: what i remember is that the 276-640 has the pin layout different from the lirc circuit
12:08<pahli_bar>pcjabber: trying to recall... i think pin 3 was data. pin 2 was gnd and pin 1 was +
12:08<pahli_bar>the cover in which the receiver came has the pin layout on it
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13:32<Netslayer>what's a good cheap audio card that is fully compatible with alsa?
13:37<Netslayer>when watching live tv or recordings, after about 15 minutes, the sound gets all garbled, i have to check the backend logs, but i'm assumming it's the sound card. It's an oboard cmedia
13:40<captbunzo>that's no fun!
13:40<captbunzo>My sounds is onboard as well, so I can't really help.
13:41<Netslayer>i should post this q
13:41<captbunzo>on the mailing list?
13:42<captbunzo>sounds like a good plan.
13:45<captbunzo>Anyone present able to tell me much about the default format that MythTV uses to save video in?
13:45<Netslayer>i'm thinking about a 5.1 live, or an audigy since i have one in this myth box
13:45<captbunzo>good plan.
13:45<captbunzo>I just got my box working last night.
13:45<Netslayer>what do u need to know
13:45<Netslayer>custom nuv formatted divx/mjpeg codec
13:46<captbunzo>well, I'd like to be able to copy the recorded video over to my windows laptop so that I can watch recorded TV shows while I travel
13:46<thor_>no divx, nupple's a container ... if you encode on a PVR-x50, it's just mpeg
13:46<captbunzo>i.e. watch them in Windows Media Player, or something similar.
13:47<captbunzo>mpeg1 or mpeg2?
13:47<captbunzo>I noticed that the files, even for only a half hour of video, are awfully large.
13:47<thor_>just copy the file over and change the extension to mpg
13:47<thor_>_if_ it's from a PVR-x50
13:47<captbunzo>it is.
13:47<captbunzo>Wow, that's cool.
13:47<thor_>Netslayer, watch out for Audigy 2's
13:48<captbunzo>right now I am getting about a 1 GB/half hour of video.
13:49<captbunzo>why is that so large?
13:49<thor_>you can change resolution and bitrate on a per profile basis
13:49<Netslayer>heh thor
13:49<captbunzo>hmmnn, let me guess.
13:49<captbunzo>basically, I'm capturing at Live TV quality?
13:49<thor_>whatever you set it at
13:49<Netslayer>my audigy came with a emu10k2 chipset for some reason, but in general it works
13:50<captbunzo>If I want smaller video, I have to sacrifice quality somehow?
13:50<thor_>captbunzo, that is essentially a tautological statement
13:50<thor_>Netslayer, just heard of people complaining about Audigy 2's under Linux, no personal experience
13:51<captbunzo>tautological, let me look that up.
13:52<Netslayer>ya i was one of em
13:52<Netslayer>actually with gentoo i think it works now for some reason or the new kernel, combination of everything. i await getting digital out working however
13:52<captbunzo>thor_: the default out of my card is Mpeg2, right?
13:53<thor_>bitrate directly determines file size
13:54<thor_>you can use the transcoder to make smaller files and then see those on windows as well
13:54<thor_>or just lower the bitrate to begin with
13:54<thor_>or both
13:56<thor_>or set your PVR-x50 to do a standard DVD format, burn stuff off directly, and watch that on just about aything
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14:01<thor_>Chutt, that thread pool patch doing anything different ?
14:03<captbunzo>thor, are you one of the developers?
14:03<Netslayer>ya he is
14:03<Netslayer>heh well ya are
14:03<thor_>as long as you put "developer" in quotes and snicker a bit
14:04*captbunzo isn't going to snicker...
14:04<captbunzo>is it possible to encode it to some other format, such as DIVX, and maintain quality?
14:05<captbunzo>...while reducing file size.
14:05<Netslayer>anyone using a sb live 5.1 here?
14:05<thor_>Chutt, I don't actually see how ProcessRequestThread::killit() will ever succeed ?
14:06<Chutt>how so?
14:07<thor_>I'm going in circles on the patch
14:07<Chutt>it looks correct
14:07<Chutt>i doubt that the race would happen ever, but
14:08<thor_>above while(true), he gets a lock on prtlock
14:08<Chutt>unlocks the mutex
14:08<Chutt>then locks it when it's woken up
14:09<thor_>I'm going to change the similar code in mfd stuff then
14:11<Peit|Home>is it possible to manually build a seektable for a transcoded file (mpeg4)?
14:12<thor_>Chutt, you want me to apply the wma patch (it's bad seeking, but at least it's seeking) ??
14:12<Chutt>i'll do it
14:12<captbunzo>wow, some of this is like greek.
14:13<Chutt>and my email will be 'fix this, please'
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14:13<thor_>the unload, load, then seek thing
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15:17<Netslayer>can someone clarify what the stream and delete setting in the 'setup' area actually does?
15:18<Netslayer>When checked would the slave backend record localy in the livetv directory, then move the file to the master backend's shared directory after it's done? At what times during that process would the recording be available in the watch recordings area?
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15:19<Octane>Chutt, dunno if you care, but I solved solving the interlace problem by dumping the entire settings table and inserting the default one
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15:24<Greensky>does anyone know a good place to advertise if I want to sell a linux based mythtv box? (I got a tivo for x-mas so I don't need it anymore)
15:25<kvandivo>you started that question out so well to have ended it so badly
15:25<Salec>you're actually saying
15:25<Salec>you choose tivo over myth tv?
15:25<Salec>what..what are you @#$#@ retarded?
15:26<Greensky>a little... :P
15:26<Greensky>It's basically a matter of $$, tivo == free, mythTV I paid for
15:26<Salec>fine print buddy
15:26<Greensky>Salec, want me to re-word my question... hehe
15:26<Salec>tivo = monthly service or $300 upfront service charge
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15:27<Greensky>ok, well the tivo isn't 100% free, but it only cost me $150... and I'll say it again... MythTV is better...
15:27<Greensky>my gf paid the other half of the service charge
15:27<Salec>i rest my case :)
15:27<Salec>WinTV PVR 350 - $200
15:28<Henk_Poley>*clap* *clap* *clap*
15:28<Salec>old linux server that i've been running - $free
15:28<Salec>running a PVR that beats the piss out of Tivo - Priceless
15:28<Greensky>ok, not that you've shot me down... :P
15:29<Octane>Greensky give it to afriend
15:29<Salec>you can do it eeeeeeeeeeebay!
15:29<Octane>or Greensky sell the parts seperately
15:29<Greensky>yeah, I was wondering if Ebay was best or if there was somewhere else to recommend
15:30<Greensky>the PC is pretty slick for a linux pvr... it's a 650mhz PIII that is low profile w/a DVD-rom and it runs almost completely silently
15:30<Greensky>worst case is I finish setting up mythtv and use it... :P
15:31<Octane>650 p3 who would buy that for a mythtv :D
15:31<Greensky>Octane, well it has the PVR-250 so it does hardware encoding
15:31<Greensky>the Tivo is just 200mhz, but w/hardware encoding that doesn't matter much
15:32<Greensky>it can be upgraded to 1Ghz
15:32<Octane>its nice to have a fast box though to play good roms :D
15:33<Greensky>oh well, I'll just set it up and use it... I don't need newer roms... just nes & super-nes... will it play those?
15:36<Henk_Poley>That should work, NES is Z80-ish isn't it?
15:36<Greensky>I'm not sure what "Z80-ish" is
15:36<Henk_Poley>Don't know about SNES, but I do know that emulators for it were around a couple of years ago, so it should run
15:36<Henk_Poley>Greensky: never mind
15:36<Henk_Poley>Z80 is a processor
15:37<Greensky>Henk_Poley, gotcha... thanks... I'm guessing it probably would work
15:37<Salec>i thought the tivo was 50mhz?
15:37<Greensky>oh well that's the fun... I'll try it out and see what I can come up with
15:37<Greensky>Salec, that's series 1 I think that series 2 is 200mhz
15:38<Salec>i know the series 1 tivo was 50mhz with 16megs of ram
15:39<Henk_Poley>It doesn't really matter for the TiVo, people can only run the EPG, so..
15:40<Henk_Poley>On the other hand a thing like the DreamBox (Satalite timeshifter) can play games, it's fully opensource (FAIK)
15:40<Salec>electronic program guide
15:40<Greensky>does mplayer support dvd menu's?
15:40<Henk_Poley>Thank you Salec
15:41<Greensky>well I'll just RTFM... nm
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15:42<Greensky>do you all use mplayer or totem or something else for DVD's ?
15:42<Greensky>to play them that is
15:43<Henk_Poley>I dunno, I even want to know what DVD layer for linux (Gentoo specificaly) will play 'encrypted' DVDs
15:44<Henk_Poley>..DVD player..
15:44<Greensky>Henk_Poley, you need the css stuff to do that (not cascading style sheets, the other css)
15:44<Henk_Poley>I know
15:45<Henk_Poley>But _most of the time_ having a lib will not magicaly make it work under Linux
15:45<Greensky>do you mean dvd player not layer?
15:45<Greensky>Henk_Poley, it did for me in Debian
15:45<Henk_Poley>Okay, I'll see
15:45<Greensky>do you use totem or mplayer or ??
15:45<Henk_Poley>When I bend my CPU into shape :-/
15:46<Henk_Poley>I currently use mplayer or xine (like xine more), never played DVDs though
15:46<Henk_Poley>don't even have a running mythtv
15:46<Greensky>Henk_Poley, do you just run it under linux?
15:46<Henk_Poley>just what?
15:47<Greensky>well under linux but not myth
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15:47<Greensky>do menus work under xine?
15:49<Greensky>I guess I'll try it and see
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17:06<dpryo>videotree.o: Your database sucks
17:06<dpryo>That's a nice error message.
17:06<thor_>that would be me
17:06<dpryo>mythtv segfaulted somehow :/
17:07<thor_>mysql is probably not running
17:08<thor_>or you can't talk to it
17:08<dpryo>It is, and mythbackend is also running.
17:08<dpryo>Perhaps mysql returned an error on the query?
17:08<thor_>mysql -p -u mythtv mythconverg
17:08<thor_>SELECT intid FROM videometadata ;
17:09<dpryo>Ah, couple of tables that doesn't exist.
17:09<thor_>yup, Your database sucks :-)
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17:18<Peit|Home>does mplayer need a patch to play .nuv files? i know there's specific stuff for windows but
17:21<roodee>any ideas why my playback looks like crap (720x480x8K), but DVDs look fine?
17:23<Morbo>mplayer patch for nuv:
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17:27<Peit|Home>thanks Morbo
17:28<Peit|Home>hmm, i'm on mplayer 1.0 something,.. *ponders
17:29<Morbo>latest mplayer in the gentoo portage tree is 0.92
17:32<Peit|Home>i beg to differ "Latest version available: 1.0_pre3" but then i'm probably running ~arch
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17:35<Morbo>yeah, their website shows 1.0pre3 as the latest
17:36<Morbo>but the latest I see in portage is 0.92
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17:37<Peit|Home>try ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge -s mplayer
17:37<Peit|Home>have you run emerge sync recently?
17:38<Morbo>yeah, freshly synced
17:39<Morbo>yep... with ~x86 it shows 1.0pre3
17:40<Morbo>but anyway... 0.90pre10 with the patch seems to work perfectly well
17:42<Peit|Home>i'll have to grab that and try it seperately later then,.. i have a 14gig mpeg4 file that was a 4gig mpeg2 file that i'd like to re-code
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17:51<_rkulagow>chutt: here?
17:55<mythmichale>Anyone know why, when using output thru a PVR350, that I would get mythfrontend twice??
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19:00<pahli_bar>Chutt: you around?
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19:13<captbunzo>howdy again, folks.
19:13<captbunzo>I am trying to figure out how mythtv commercial skipping, cutting, etc works.
19:13<captbunzo>and the documentation seems to be pretty quite on the issue.
19:15<captbunzo>I see references to "commercial break markers".
19:15<captbunzo>but no indications on how they are supposed to be set!
19:17<_rkulagow>start watching a recording. press e to go into edit mode. press z to import a commercial cutlist. use the left right arrow to move forward and back, up and down to change the skip time, space to set/unset. page up and down to move to previous / next marker. e to exit.
19:18<captbunzo>z to import a commercial cutlist?
19:19<captbunzo>well, that's a good start.
19:19<captbunzo>gotta get home and try it out, I suppose.
19:20<captbunzo>sounds mostly useful for transcoding...
19:21<_rkulagow>chutt: that slow down i was running into seems to be directly affected by the number of programs that i've got. i've been deleting some older ones and i've gotten down to around 290. response time is definately faster now; i was having a lot of "lost connection to backend" error on the frontend and "recorded programs" on mythweb was returning no programs. is 300 a "magic number" as far as you know?
19:23<_rkulagow>the weird thing is that doing a select * from recorded would come back in 0.01sec on the masterbackend.
19:25<Chutt>i tested stuff with like 9000 programs
19:25<Chutt>everything worked fine, far as i could tell
19:25<Chutt>i didn't test mythweb, though
19:26<Chutt>pahli_bar, what's up?
19:26<pahli_bar>Chutt: what was that slideshow transition you were mentioning?
19:26<Chutt>was i mentioning a slideshow transition?
19:26<pahli_bar>yeah. some pan and zoom thing
19:27<Chutt>oh, it's more of a display effect
19:27<Chutt>i forget exactly what it's called =)
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19:27<pahli_bar>i'm working on some opengl based slideshow effects and got blending,fading to work nicely
19:28<_rkulagow>chutt: the pause seems to be in QUERY_RECORDING Play according to the frontend. of course, "nothing changed" other than me updating to CVS from an earlier CVS. i'll see if Mandrake has fixed their broken gdb/libc and try to see why that's taking so long.
19:28<pahli_bar>rotation, pan, zoom works too.
19:28<Chutt>rkulagow, when was your earlier cvs checkout?
19:28<Chutt>a bunch of stuff changed in all that
19:29<_rkulagow>why do you ask such hard questions!
19:29<_rkulagow>not sure. but, just to make sure, the version strings that are printed on startup - are those hardcoded, or updated at compile time?
19:29<Chutt>compile time
19:30<Chutt>but, they're only updated when somethinig changes in libmyth, not elsewhere
19:31<Chutt>i need to update the website with stuff
19:32<_rkulagow>ok, because i'm getting 20040102-1 in my version string. i just resynced, make distcleaned and i'm compiling now.
19:38<thor_>Chutt, I'm not so sure about that thread pool patch
19:38<captbunzo>hmmnn. seems that mythfilldatabase is only pulling in around 10 days worth of program data.
19:38<captbunzo>is there any way to get it to do more then that?
19:38<captbunzo>or is that a limitation of our program data source?
19:39<cmorgan>is there a reason why we don't map the delete key to delete a program in the recordings window?
19:40<Chutt>thor, what about it?
19:40<Chutt>cmorgan, it is.
19:40<cmorgan>Chutt: i press delete on my keyboard and it doesn't work for me in the recordings window, but 'D' does
19:41<Chutt>oh, the delete key
19:41<Chutt>map it yourself
19:41<thor_>I'm debugging now ... probably just how I implemented it
19:41<cmorgan>mind a patch for that?
19:41<Chutt>keybindings are user configurable
19:41<cmorgan>if 'D' or DeleteKey ? ;-)
19:41<Chutt>if you want something mapped, just do it.
19:41<Chutt>i won't accept a patch, since that'd be silly.
19:42<cmorgan>maybe default key bindings for delete->'D' and Deletekey?
19:42<cmorgan>alright ;-) seems to make sense for users of myth with keyboards...
19:42<Chutt>no it doesn't
19:43<Chutt>since it's user customizeable
19:43<Chutt>if the user wants a particular keybinding
19:43<cmorgan>i guess i still can't see the harm in it
19:43<Chutt>they can set it
19:43<cmorgan>aren't we supposed to help users out? ;-)
19:43<knight->cmorgan, but will it improve the performance of the key binding? ;)
19:44<Chutt>thor, what are you seeing happen?
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19:45<knight->Chutt, do you know if there are any intentions on themes to be "backwards compatible" up to a specific old version but function with just a limited functionality, or not?
19:45<Chutt>not really
19:45<Chutt>if it's just a missing page
19:45<Chutt>then the theme _should_ work, just without that page
19:45<Chutt>eventually, i'll try to standardize that
19:45<Chutt>but i figure there's no point just yet
19:46<Chutt>everyone just copies crap from blue anywya
19:46<Chutt>anyway, so i don't really see how it matters much =)
19:46<knight->i'm mainly checking so that my auto theme download code can do version checking
19:46<Chutt>ah, cool
19:46<knight->no sense in that now :)
19:46<Chutt>well, i'd make it test for equality
19:46<Chutt>theme is version 0.13, myth must be 0.13
19:46<knight->that's just the thing
19:47<knight->i've been doing some thinking about that
19:47<knight->I'm sure there would be a way for us to specify a "theme template version" or whatever
19:47<thor_>Chutt, I got threads sitting on that waitcondition line
19:47<thor_>when they should be exiting
19:47<thor_>again, it's probably how I did it
19:47<Chutt>well, i don't kill threads off in mythbackend, so =)
19:47<knight->so that as long as a theme follows that standard, it can be used... and, if we know the standards, we can even support "old" themes since we know a strict format
19:48<Chutt>there's just a lot of flux with themes from version to version right now
19:48<knight->so indeed
19:48<knight->but, no harm in adding a theme version right?
19:49<knight->rather... theme format version
19:49<Chutt>nope, not really
19:49<Chutt>anyway, cool that you're working on that stuff =)
19:49<knight->and if those dont match against what myth expects then it's not used
19:49<knight->yeah, it's cool
19:50<Chutt>i'll bbl.
19:50<knight->ok, so once that's implemented, we should rarely hear people complain that xxxx theme didnt work, since it was using THEME_FORMAT_VERSION 1 versus the required 2, etc
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19:59<captbunzo>there are a couple of shows that start at X:59 PM.
19:59<captbunzo>they are causing conflicts with the shows that go for the hour before them.
20:00<captbunzo>is there some way to tell myth to start a 8:59 PM show recording at 9:00 PM?
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20:02<knight->captbunzo, are you saying that they are listing in the EPG at :59 or you're telling myth to record 1 minute before start?
20:06<captbunzo>they are listed in the EPG at :59
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20:18<knight->captbunzo, only reliable solution i can offer, is to add another encoding card
20:19<knight->i have 3 or 4 in my machine just so that if i have 2 shows at some weird time like that and there are current shows already, i can still get that to perform
20:20<captbunzo>I wonder if changing the record table manually would be bad.
20:24<pahli_bar>captbunzo: you can go into advanced recording dialog and tweak it yourself
20:24<captbunzo>I was thinking that might be the case.
20:24<captbunzo>cool - thanks!
20:25<knight->but in the future, keep in mind that you're better off with additional cards
20:25<knight->because you wont be able to go into advanced for every possible recording
20:25<knight->since you might not notice it
20:25<knight->and then you'll be mad that it didnt record it
20:26<captbunzo>when I tweak that for the recording of this show this week, will it figure it out for next week as well?
20:32<tdb30_>hey, I set up a recording but it created a 0 byte file
20:32<tdb30_>any idea why?
20:48<cmorgan>it didn't record?
20:48<cmorgan>can you capture using dd like the docs say?
20:51<Chutt>look in your syslog for the error from the ivtv driver as to why it stopped recording
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20:54<beetle>when I try to transcode something I get an error message in the log saying "Unknown video codec: strange error flushing buffer ..."
20:55<beetle>I have set the transcode profile to Mpeg-4
20:56<beetle>and I compiled mythtv from cvs on Monday.
20:56<beetle>on Fedora Core 1.
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21:02<knight->i'm actually very impressed on the additions in cvs over the last 7 days
21:03<knight->i'm guessing everyone had uneventful holidays :)
21:03<knight->0.14 will be a nice release for the non-cvs folks
21:04<Chutt>and i haven't done anything major :p
21:04<Chutt>it's all been pahli_bar
21:04<captbunzo>knight-: what in particular is new?
21:04<knight->captbunzo, read the cvs commit mailing list
21:04<captbunzo>not on that yet.
21:05*captbunzo investigates
21:05<captbunzo>myth is awesome. :)
21:07*captbunzo is appalled.
21:07<captbunzo>apparently I'm not on any of the lists yet!
21:08<captbunzo>that's terrible. :)
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21:08<beetle110>is ffmpeg required to use the transcoder?
21:10<Chutt>rkulagow, hey
21:10<Chutt>oh, doh, he's not here
21:11<Chutt>some dumbass emailed him yesterday about creating a 'consumer set-top box' because mythtv 'has about 80% of the features that I am including in my box'
21:11<Chutt>the same guy just called my house
21:11<Chutt>what a wanker
21:12<captbunzo>make him pay you for help.
21:12<captbunzo>since he's going to sell the box.
21:12<Chutt>nothing'll come of it
21:12<captbunzo>yeah, no kidding.
21:12<Chutt>there's been many such people =)
21:13<captbunzo>knight-: no commits list archive :(
21:13<Chutt>this is just the first that actually called me
21:13<captbunzo>ah, perhaps someday they'll actually do it then.
21:13<Chutt>just a pipermail archive
21:13<captbunzo>I betcha they do...
21:13<captbunzo>ah, nead to get a link to that archive on the website.
21:13<Chutt>it's indirectly there
21:14<Chutt>link to the list has a link to the pipermail stuff
21:16<captbunzo>well, thanks for the pointer!
21:16<captbunzo>gotta go.
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21:42<knight->Chutt, can we introduce a version number into theme.xml (i.e. <myththeme version="1">) and have it fallback to standard operation for now?
21:43<knight->that way i can still take advantage of it right away, but not interrupt existing cvs from working?
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22:12<Chutt>knight, sure
22:12<knight->Chutt, perfect timing, just got out of the shower :)
22:13<knight->should we use a major and minor version? (are you anticipating that kind of change?)
22:13<thor_>while you're doing it, you might a slightly larger thing <themeinfo> </themeinfo>
22:13<monkeyBox>Hey I think there's something wrong with the 1.3 theme .tar.gz's on the website.. when I extract any of them I get this error: gzip: stdin: decompression OK, trailing garbage ignored tar: Child returned status 2 tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
22:14<knight->thor, great idea
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22:14<knight->thor, what else?
22:14<Chutt>naw, just a single number
22:14<thor_>I dunno
22:14<knight->Chutt, great, makes it simple
22:15<knight->Chutt, and will force us to standardize our changes in batches
22:17<monkeyBox>actually, it seems that just PurpleGalaxy and Visor have errors
22:17<knight->have we created any email wrapper classes yet?
22:17<monkeyBox>could someone else verify these errors?
22:18<knight->it would be nice to let users send the <complaints_to> address a message from the interface if it's not working
22:18<Chutt>remove the spanish and catalan translations on / near the lines it bitches about
22:18<Chutt>to get purplegalaxy to work
22:18<knight->perhaps just have a "Report Problem" button
22:18<knight->and it would automatically send a templated email
22:18<Chutt>that'd be scary :p
22:18<Chutt>but, no, there aren't any email classes
22:19<thor_>or automatically fill this irc channel with a random complaint
22:19<cmorgan>just send the email to mythtv-users ;-)
22:20<monkeyBox>Chutt: ? the error happens while decompressing the .tar.gz file...
22:20<Chutt>oh, those targz's are fine
22:21<monkeyBox>hmm.. why would I be getting the errors?
22:21<monkeyBox>...I've downloaded them several times
22:21<thor_>just tried it here, no problem
22:23<monkeyBox>strange.. well guess it's aprob. on my end :-p
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22:32<knight->well, we could have it send a message to a web page which passes the message here through a bot or something
22:33<thor_>and it should definitely wring someone's cell phone
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22:36<hadees>what is the max size you think my root partion would need to be for a mythtv install? excluding space for storage of tv recordings and what not
22:37<thor_>about 3 megabytes more than the size you will soon choose
22:39<knight-><myththeme version="1">
22:39<knight-> <themeinfo id="PurpleGalaxy" version="1.3">
22:39<knight-> <title>Purple Galaxy</name>
22:39<knight-> <releasedate>2004-01-05</releasedate>
22:39<knight-> <authorname>Bob Dole</author_name>
22:39<knight-> <authoremail></authoremail>
22:39<knight-> <description>This is a blahblah theme</description>
22:39<knight-> </themeinfo>
22:40<thor_>I think I'd put the version in the info ... not really sure why though
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22:41<knight->yeah, the myththeme version is for the "myththeme protocol" version
22:41<knight->oh also, temporarily
22:41<knight-> <compatibility>
22:41<knight-> <mythversion type="greaterthanequal">0.13</mythversion>
22:41<knight-> </compatibility>
22:41<knight->i put that in themeinfo
22:41<knight->it'll only be used until the myth libraries check the myththeme version
22:42<knight->anyways, gotta go take my girlfriend out for dinner and drinks, later.
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