

How ''out'' are you to family and friends? (Cross-posting on r/GoldandBlack, r/christian_ancaps, r/Libertarian, r/Anarcho_Capitalism, r/voluntarism)

After my father became a Libertarian (as a married adult, but long before I was born), he tried discussing his new worldview with his parents. When he got to explicitly saying ''taxation is theft,'' they had had enough: ''Say that again and we will disown you.'' He didn't stop saying it... except to them.

I'm curious if any of you have had similar experiences. How have you dealt with that? How ''out'' are you with your viewpoints to your family members? Your friends?

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born and lived under communism the family dont trust gov in any way since they was everything and one went to jail then released after the fall of communism

Your friends?

most are minarchists and some are "anarquistas" in the spanish tradition, the more recent conversion was one that got robbed for about 4k€ and police basically did nothing that was the tipping point for him

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The only people I've hid my power level from is people I've worked with. If anyone else doesn't like my beliefs then I don't need them.

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6 points · 3 days ago · edited 3 days ago

Fam all know my philosophical leanings. They're standard normies. They dont like hearing about it wen convo leads that way, but they ultimately concede and agree I'm right.

I engage in social engineering via the wearing of ancap/libertarian shirts while out, posting ancap/libertarian themes stickers all over the city, rest stops, etc.

Tag ancap/libertarian themed phrases all over sidewalks, walls, etc.

Have a red 'taxation is theft' stamp I mark any cash I come across with. Tend 2 use cards most the time but wen I do use cash, I make sure its marked.

In business settings I keep politics out unless associating with known friendlies.

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Live in the UK. Mum works as middle management in the NHS and dad works as a Project Manager in County Council, so work that one out for yourselves. Totally out with friends.

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Big Government = Tyranny
3 points · 3 days ago

I put a bumper sticker on my car which reads: "Don't steal, the Government hates competition", except from that, I try to keep my politics to myself.

level 1

Depends on the group or individual.

My wife is a libertarian and we share everything, so she knows I'm a full blown anarcho capitalist.

Most coworkers think I'm a libertarian.

Some friends who can openly discuss politics know everything, though

level 1
-1 points · 4 days ago · edited 4 days ago

Out to the point that I'm locked in my room every day, refusing any real life interaction with anyone who isn't an anarcho-capitalist vegan, which includes my entire family and 99.9999% of the population; in fact, I know of only a handful such people in the entire country. I justify sneaking out every night to take some food on the grounds that I've been born in a place where independently gathering food is completely impossible. Tell me I'm delusional as much as you want, but I consider myself to be in the same position as Jean Valjean when it comes to that matter.

People here will call me lazy and a thief, but I don't give a fuck. Any way I could possibly have of getting money on my own comes with having to pay extortion money to the state, or risking being thrown into a cage. I'll remain like this until I die or am physically thrown out (at which point I can't imagine surviving for long, and I'd probably commit suicide before winter), or until society stops with their violent ways; I'm not holding my breath.

The sad part is that I'm not lazy at all, I'd be overjoyed to work and contribute to society if it weren't for the overhanging threats of violence. I simply won't give in to terrorism.

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2 points · 3 days ago

Plants r alive too, why do u differentiate between them and animals?

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First of all, you'd have to be a complete moron not to differentiate between the different levels of sentience displayed by animals and plants, especially taking into consideration that we ourselves are animals.

Secondly though, I don't support killing plants either, as I regard them too as sentient beings, albeit obviously less so than animals. All of my food is derived from products it's possible to take a part of without causing the plant any problems. This includes all botanical fruits, which are given freely by plants expressly for us to eat, viz. things you commonly think of as fruits and berries, but also many culinary vegetables (like tomatoes, squashes, pumpkins, peppers, cucumbers), grains, both cereal grains and legumes (beans, lentils, chickpeas), as well as seeds and true nuts. Additionally, there are parts of plants which can be harvested without causing it any problem, much like cutting your hair or nails, e.g. roots, tubers and leafy greens, as long as it's done in moderation.

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You must live a miserable life.

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No step on snek!
1 point · 3 days ago

If you eat grains and beans, why not human embryos? Same thing, really.

level 5

You'd have to be an absolute moron not to understand why that's a false analogy.

First of all, beans are grains, just not cereals; secondly, a seed of any sort is analogous to the seed in any animal, i.e. the sperm in humans. Only when it is brought in contact with fertile soil, which is analogous to the egg in humans, is a new plant life born, which is analogous to the embryo.

Thus the correct analogy would be that it's like eating sperm, which there's nothing ethically wrong with if you're into that, but I'll stick to grains.

level 6

Hmm, cool I'm glad you wrote this out. That's smart and very clear. I was tripping out a while ago eating canned garbanzo beans because they look exactly like brains anatomically more and more as you scrutinize them. I have always understood their role as seeds (germ cells/eggs) but I kind of just stopped worrying about it.

Do you think that all plants are best meant to be left rooted and alive and tended for years season to season, plucked from, and allowed to regrow if society gave rise to more ideal agricultural methods? I mean I guess now that I write it out it's obvious. But ofc I am assuming that the greater proportion of farmers just till the crop under after it fruits to plant again. your journey seems to have either resulted from or instilled in you a really high amount of common sense (which truly, as they say, is not so common) and I am mostly a suburb dweller so I'm curious if you cared to continue elaborating

level 7

Yes, that's precisely what I believe; permacultural union between humans and plants, essentially the same voluntaryist relationship that's required for humanity. Modern monocrops and tilling the field every year is an abomination. I am sadly a suburb dweller as well, so I don't really have any hope of experiencing that in my lifetime, but the ideal is what's important.

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No step on snek!
1 point · 3 days ago

You think those plants aren't fertilized? They're fertilized by the air.

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