XSF Discussion - 2013-12-09

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  34. dwd http://netsecpro.spreadshirt.de/ - I've asked Steffan Winter (the creator) if he'd mind us stealing the idea. Perfect concept for FOSDEM, I suspect.
  35. ralphm heh
  36. ralphm But would you fly with one?
  37. Zash Hehe
  38. dwd No, it's not a great t-shirt for airport security checkpoints.
  39. dwd > Would you be upset if I purloined that phrase for t-shirts for the XMPP > Standards Foundation to give away and/or sell? On one condition: I want one of those then :-) XL! Stefan
  40. Kev I wonder if 'chat encryption' is more XMPP that 'mass encryption'
  41. dwd Well, "mass encryption" is a better prhase.
  42. Kev It is.
  43. ralphm and hey, XMPP is more than chat. Tsk.
  44. Kev Indeed.
  45. Kev But 'weapons of mass encryption' is vague and not particularly related to XMPP.
  46. Kev So...swings and roundabouts.
  47. dwd Wait, there's swings?
  48. intosi Wheeeee!
  49. Kev dwd: Uhm, yes. What type of roads do /you/ drive on?
  50. intosi Roads? Where Dave goes, there are no roads ;)
  51. dwd That's true on my commute into the office.
  52. intosi Morning traffic was hell: major delays at the shower.
  53. dwd intosi, If there was actual congestion at the shower, that sounds like it might have been fun.
  54. intosi :)
  55. Kev I had major delays on the 'why on Earth did I try a jog only two days after training?'.
  56. ralphm Jogging. Pft. Nothing beats drumming.
  57. Kev I hadn't considered doing that for exercise. Might be more fun :)
  58. intosi Sports: drumming.
  59. ralphm Indeed.
  60. intosi I like the sound of that.
  61. ralphm I think it also exercises many more different muscle areas.
  62. dwd So does swimming.
  63. dwd I wonder if you could combine the two.
  64. ralphm http://vimeo.com/49273882
  65. ralphm But don't do it if you're attached to your gear.
  66. dwd ralphm, Well, if you're attached to your gear, and your gear is at the bottom of a pool, you'd drown.
  67. intosi Best not to use your vDrums for that.
  68. dwd Although Sony ones might be waterproof, these days.
  69. dwd If Sony make them.
  70. ralphm dwd: amateur! There are ways to deal with that. Diving equipment has been around for quite some time now.
  71. intosi Also: hard to get your timing right.
  72. dwd writes a mail to members@ suggesting they hang around in the chatroom more.
  73. Kev intosi: My vDrums are going nowhere near water.
  74. dwd You live in Wales. Water falleth from the sky.
  75. ralphm Kev: do they ever go outside?
  76. Kev ralphm: They do not.
  77. dwd How did you get them in the house?
  78. Kev ralphm: I haven't gigged in a very very long time, and if I did I would take an acoustic kit.
  79. Kev dwd: Are going, not have never been.
  80. ralphm Ah, I sometimes take them along for a gig. I think a few times played outside, even.
  81. intosi ralphm: not when there was the slightest chance of rain.
  82. Kev I've got a set of Flats that would be as convenient as vdrums for shipping around the place, and are acoustic.
  83. dwd Kev, You see how confusing it gets when you don't use RFC 2119?
  84. Kev I don't have a 'real' acoustic kit any more.
  85. ralphm intosi: well, once I used them at a xmas thing. Wasn't there snow? (We were under a tent)
  86. intosi Lemme check, I think I still have a few pictures.
  87. intosi Ah, I don't have pictures of that gig. You might be right.
  88. dwd Ah, "You might be right" == "I lack evidence you are wrong"
  89. Kev Oh. My vdrums are quite a lot cheaper now than they used to be. A lot a lot, actually. How upsetting.
  90. ralphm Have you seen the TD-30 module, though? Pretty nice!
  91. intosi dwd: rightr
  92. Kev Mine's only the TD-4 module.
  93. intosi I smell G.A.S....
  94. ralphm I have a TD-12
  95. Kev Although with the mesh heads instead of the rubber mats.
  96. ralphm intosi: well, probably a Octapad, first (http://www.roland.com/products/en/SPD-30/)
  97. intosi That would be great. No more overloading of thunder or whoops on the bell of your crash ;)
  98. ralphm Interestingly, the white ones are less expensive than the black ones.
  99. Kev The octopads are cute.
  100. Kev s/to/ta/
  101. intosi The cool kids pick black, the even cooler ones can get away with white.
  102. intosi The white one will match nicely with the mesh on your drums.
  103. ralphm true, but all of the /rest/ of the kit is black
  104. intosi Right.
  105. intosi And to make this more XMPP-ish: your kit should set your user mood based on the way you drum
  106. Kev I still want an XMPP-based way of jamming.
  107. ralphm MIDI over XMPP doesn't seem like it would be hard
  108. ralphm Dealing with latency: delay a few bars
  109. Kev Doesn't 'delay a few bars' rather introduce latency, rather than deal with it? :)
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  111. dwd I don't know what the delay in audio/Jingle is, but having synchronized MIDI and Jingle would be amusing.
  112. intosi You want hard promises on latency.
  113. dwd intosi, "There WILL be latency. I promise".
  114. intosi dwd: true, and you can anticipate, as long as you have ridig limits (not being: latency will be between 0.0 and 60.0 seconds)
  115. intosi But still, any noticeable latency will kill all the fun in jamming.
  116. dwd I wonder if you could synchronize multiple audio streams, so as long as your remotes were all playing to a metronome, you could at least do a distributed performance?
  117. ralphm my point was that for *jamming* having sound delayed (exactly) 4 bars might make the experience fun
  118. intosi That could actually work.
  119. Kev That might work.
  120. intosi So you would play something, I would hear it immediately, and you'd hear my lines four bars delayed.
  121. Kev Well, you'd need it delayed too, surely?
  122. ralphm http://www.tml.tkk.fi/Opinnot/T-111.5080/2006/FPaperit/Latency_Kleimola_final.pdf
  123. intosi Not by the same interval as Ralph would.
  124. Kev So Ralph plays something at B=1, you hear it and play over at B=5, Ralph hears your stuff over B=9 that you played when you heard B=1.
  125. ralphm it appears that latencies <=20ms should work reasonably well
  126. intosi Kev: no point in me hearing Ralph's B=1 when he's at B=2 so that he can hear my first beat when he's at B=5
  127. intosi No issue in
  128. intosi You need to delay and distribute the audio anyway.
  129. fippo i've heard this music-over-webrtc usecase before...
  130. fippo https://github.com/atamborrino/ztream
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  137. dwd I wonder if it's worth pinging HTA about Google Talk.
  138. MattJ HTA?
  139. dwd Harald Alvestrand. Google, I *think*, IETF guy.
  140. dwd https://plus.google.com/u/0/+HaraldTveitAlvestrand/posts
  141. dwd Yep, Google.
  142. ralphm By the way, Chris Messina was mentioned before, but he left Google months ago.
  143. dwd Yes, I said as much shortly after mentioning him
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