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'''Abdullah Gül''' is the deputy prime minister and foreign minister of Turkey.
'''Abdullah Gül''' is the current president of [[Turkey]].  He also served as the deputy prime minister and foreign minister of Turkey under previous President Ahmet Necdet Sezer.

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Abdullah Gül is the current president of Turkey. He also served as the deputy prime minister and foreign minister of Turkey under previous President Ahmet Necdet Sezer.


By Abdullah Gül

I'm going to add my commentary to Gül's commentary in order to point out some... shortcomings in his arguments. --Raffi 22:51, 29 March 2007 (PDT)

Washington Times, DC
March 28 2007


Or not helping, as the case may be...

This relationship also has an important bearing on regional and global stability. Yet, such strategic cooperation is jeopardized by a single interest group that solely pursues its own political agenda over national interests. Once again, Armenian lobbying organizations are determined to politicize the past -- and impose their view of history -- without any regard to the overriding and lasting interests of the United States or Armenia.

Jeopardized by who? The Armenian-Americans wanting their own government in Washington to recognize plainly and honestly a historical event that happened almost a hundred years ago? Or Turkey who throws a tantrum like a 2 year old baby not getting its way every time it hears the "g" word, saying things like "I'm not going to be your friend anymore"??


Oh boy, the word "mutual" has come up... where could he be going with this I wonder??


Ah, how did I know? The poor Turks, their victims should memorialize them too when they remember the genocide! Just like the Jews are told to mention the suffering the Germans went through and the loss of life during WWII, the Armenians should always remember to mention that Turks died during WWI as well! Oh, what's that you say? The Jewish victims are not actually expected to mention German loss of lives? But how is that possible? Could it be this request is actually a bit on the insane side, and perhaps a diversion and distraction from the issue at hand?


Ah yes, the OTTOMAN government... so why are you having such a tizzy fit if you don't feel so... what's the other "g" word? Guilty? And why hasn't the Armenian government accepted your offer? Because everybody already knows it happened - including you and your government. We are not jackasses with nothing better to do than sit around contemplating whether or not for example there was a place called the Soviet Union, so why should we be expected to sit around and discuss this? Not only did the guy who invented the word genocide call the Armenian Genocide just that, but third parties have again and again confirmed it, as have many Turks, and even the Turkish government appears to accept that it was a genocide. So again, we have better things to do than sit on a panel with your "historians" for 20 years trying to figure out what happened while you happily announce to every government considering recognizing the genocide that it's being discussed, no need to interfere! We're not that stupid, but thanks so much for the implication.


I almost choked when I read that Turkey has no difficulties facing it's past. Even somebody blind, deaf and dumb wouldn't say that if they'd spent any time in Turkey, so we can just assume you are ok with even lay people on this topic knowing you are a liar. It's good to establish these things in a dialog. Now moving on to your next claims. The Turkish archives were notoriously closed for about 80 years while they were being "cataloged". Can you say sanitized? Do you think we could believe for one minute that a government spending millions of dollars a year denying the genocide would allow that process to go ahead without removing whatever they could about the genocide? You can remove all the orders you like about the genocide - I'd like to see you produce one single, solitary document that shows that Armenians being "relocated" were actually provided with any of the following: transportation, food, shelter, protection (even from the troops escorting, raping, robbing and murdering them). The fact that no Armenians remain in Anatolia is proof enough that they were wiped out - we don't need your documents for that. But can you show us they were ever, in any case, at any point cared for? Clearly not, or we'd have seen it already. As for your tendency to try and twist EVERYTHING you are accused of around at us, Armenia's archives have been open since independence, and nobody has ever been turned away, Turk, Chinese or Argentinian...


We eagerly await your apology for the genocide, and almost a hundred years of painful, unforgivable denial. We eagerly await the reparations, the admission of guilt, and humane treatment. The only thing needed for a normalization of Turkish-Armenian relations is for your government to stop acting like a bunch of assholes, and we'll have normal relations. YOU are responsible for the complete lack of diplomatic relations, YOU are responsible for the close land border, YOU are responsible for the antagonizing railway being built in a circle around Armenia to cut it off completely, YOU are responsible for the lack of a single mention of Armenians at their ancient capital of Ani... yes Abdullah, YOU are the problem. Stop dreaming of a commission, and start dreaming of a normal relationship with a country and people you have wronged so violently, for so long.
A recent resolution introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives makes mention of the events of 1915 as "genocide."
As have resolutions passed in many another country...


The Turkish people have nothing to do with this. The Turkish Government (represented by you) have blindfolded the Turkish people since WWI and have made it illegal to talk of the Armenian Genocide - a policy which led to article 301 making "insulting Turkishness" illegal. That article convicted Hrant Dink, and Armenian living in Turkey and that conviction led directly and irrefutably to his murder. And still you carry on with this charade, you murderous asshole. You can't even say that the genocide is in the past, when this sort of environment exists.


We already established you are directly responsible for Hrant Dink's death, so don't you think it's in poor taste for you to invoke his name for any reason? This is a man who stated quite clearly there was a genocide, why have you failed to mention that? His only fear was that genocide resolutions in the west cause Turkey to have tizzy fits, and stir up unreigned ultra-nationalists like the one who ended up killing him, and posing with policemen who captured him like he was their hero. A hundred thousand did march to remember him, they are the good ones... it has always been the Turkish government that's been the problem though, not the people.

As Mr. Dink himself said in a published interview shortly before his tragic death, "What I want from the Armenian Diaspora is not to make any demands about accepting the genocide, neither from Turkey, from the parliament nor any other governments."

See my last comment.

Today, there are 70,000 Armenian citizens working in Turkey.

I'm sorry your plans didn't work completely... but considering there were 2.5 million Armenians a hundred years ago, you did pretty a pretty good job I'd say. You still have time, too.


You are only determined to weasel your way out of the truth as long as your pawn (the USA) allows it. Keep threatening to revoke uses of US military bases in Turkey, keep threatening your cooperation... you've been quite stingy with it anyway, let's see how much longer that can work.


Ummmmm....... right.

As a politician, I fully understand the pressures imposed by narrow interest groups. However, there is also the imperative to rise above such pressures and see the national and international repercussions of one's choices. After all, the decisions we make return back to us in this globalized world, where the interests of nations -- especially neighbors -- are intertwined.

As a politician, you fully understand what a despicable asshole you are.


Absolutely disgusting, he's an embarrassment to the Turkish people.




AZG Armenian Daily #175, 30/09/2005

Turkish FM's letter

Turkey's foreign minister Abdullah Gul sent a letter to the organizers of the September 24-25 closed-door conference on Armenian issue. Bellow we present the minister's letter extracted from Turkish Daily News September 26 issue:

The last years of the Ottoman Empire are subject to discussion and research in academic circles, with increased interest. Nearly every day new documents from that era emerge and new books, articles and research papers are published. Yet it is not possible to say that all data and documents related to those times have been properly analyzed. With the aim of helping redress this shortcoming, our government is in the process of taking important steps to enable the Ottoman archives to serve researchers under modern conditions. Our archives have begun to serve scientists through documents converted to a digital medium since 2003. Within this context many researchers, coming from 75 different countries, have completed their research in the Ottoman archives. These activities are ongoing. We want not only our own archives but at the same time all other archives that will shed light on the history of the day to be opened in an organized fashion that will serve all researchers. We believe that deeper research into that era will bring new historical facts to light and will facilitate an improvement in relations between countries and peoples. Thus, we have proposed to the government of Armenia the establishment of a historical commission between our two countries that will research joint Turkish-Armenian history and which will make its findings public. We hope to reach a conclusion on this subject.

The history of Turkish-Armenian relations is one of a coexistence and common life of almost 1,000 years. During the course of this period, the Turkish and Armenian peoples have contributed to each other's culture, prosperity and security. We should not ignore this reality when we examine the tragic period when the Ottoman Empire was crumbling and the Turks and Armenians were suffering deeply, like all other peoples of the empire.

It is a fact that in some chapters of history, or even today, some societies cannot tolerate one other's language, religion, identity or even very existence. It is an unfortunate reality that such intolerance can turn into deep-rooted and destructive ideologies or prejudices that become ingrained in the social subconscious. Some serious and very dangerous trends, from xenophobia to racism and from anti-Semitism to attitudes against Muslims, are present and are on the rise today, even in societies that represent the highest level of contemporary civilization.

It is a source of pleasure that such a psychology does not exist between the Turks and Armenians. This also constitutes a major advantage for the future of relations between the two peoples.

Another issue I want to draw your attention to is that many studies carried out so far on the theme of "Ottoman-Armenians during the Breakup of the Empire," particularly outside Turkey, have been conducted with political motivations in a manner inconsistent with scientific ethics and objectivity. Regretfully, humanitarian issues have been sacrificed to political designs, and double standards have been applied in determining and presenting human suffering. There have been attempts to impose subjective, non-legal and artificial claims upon Turkey and the Turkish people, with political motivations. Furthermore, there have been situations in which some foreign circles could not even tolerate scientific skepticism. Young generations from all nations must know and draw lessons from the facts that during the last years of the Ottoman Empire the imperialist-colonial powers ruthlessly exploited peoples' ethno-religious sensitivities for their own interests and that some elements, knowingly or unknowingly, became instruments to these provocations. I hope your conference will be a contribution to raising awareness on this issue as well.

The Turkish people are at peace with themselves and with their history. The approaches of our government and our people towards our past, including Turkish-Armenian relations, constitute an indication of our confidence in ourselves and our future.
