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Odd beeping noise

Did anyone else notice kind of a high pitch squeaky noises at various parts inbetween the sections?

Location, location, location!


They didn't NFITC1

A couple of transcript points


Somebody noted the following in an abortive Real-World Reference:

Now that IS scary




I'm assuming none of us are mean. If we were, we'd be trolls. Also named Sean

Homestar's transformations


3^5=243 combinations. Let's divide and conquer!



The Table

{table removed}





The Code

This is the code for the ending:

function showEnding () {
    var _local3 = 0
        _local3 = (_local3) + answers[_local2]
    _local3 = (_local3) % 5
    _root.gotoAndPlay("end" + (_local3) + 1)


end1: tofu
end2: eyeball
end3: Frenchman
end4: grodelated Marzipan
end5: the Goblin


For some reason I get something different:

function showEnding()
    var _l3 = 0;
    var _l2 = 0;
    while (_l2 < TOTAL_QUESTIONS)
        _l3 = _l3 + answers[_l2];
    } // end while
    _l3 = _l3 % 5;
    _root.gotoAndPlay("end" + (_l3 + 1));
} // End of the function

Using Sothink SWF Decompiler 2005b. Must be something in the ActionScript that was extracted.-- 00:25, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

I only know a little about ActionScript, but my guess is that the difference lies in the way that the programs reverse-engineer (as well as interpret) the ActionScript, which is supposed to be a type of Machine-like language. Less sophisticated programs may not be able to extract all of the original information and produce code that's closer to the original. However both functions, in fact, produce exactly the same code! (for loops are nothing more than glorified while loops) Hope that helps. On another note: Tofu IS first! I was right! hehe Oh, wait, It's Dot com already pointed that out. Nevermind, just call me captain obvious. Thanks, 'tis Dot com! (How does that sound, too over the edge? Shall I stick to It's or just plain old, vanilla old, flavored old, Dot com . . . ?)--Stux 01:12, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Whoa, now hold on there... Dot com is not vanilla. It's dot com is my long name, the name I use to sign with. My official name. Dot com is my familiar name, the one I like to be addressed by in conversation. — It's dot com 05:04, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
I stand corrected. It is not vanilla, for you are anything but. That is twue! I shall make note of that in future posts! Now I must get sleep. My bed beckons me forth. Good night all! --Stux 05:17, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Transformations theory...


Halloween Costumes



Homestar Variations


Prob just wait to see if they reappear -NFITC1

Order of transformations



Bucket O' Chicken




Via the monster truck article:
About that "Essence of putting Strong Mad's Hand in Warm Water While He's Asleep", I read somewhere that people do that to others during sleepovers to make them go to the bathroom while they're asleep. I could be wrong, but that's what I remember. --arrow4.PNG~Rebecca~ RJMT speaker-noise.gif 01:46, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Terlet Brush?





The word 'terlet' is just an 'accented' way of saying toilet. The Pardack

Original list





Undeniable! But the version I was responding to read "at least according to legend." Minivet 02:08, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

4th wall breaking?



Opening scenario a reference?





That's what happens, Langham. That's what happens when you hack a wiki in the back door!

Tofu Homestar Update?



Gossamer Goof



How Do They Know?




Throw a TV on 'im!




Homsar's highlight

This fact has been added and deleted multiple times:


The last time with:

Homsar can be highlighted because he is a sprite overlaying the scene


My two and one half cents: A glitch implies that Flash is behaving in a way that it should not. Flash is behaving exactly as it should, though. Wot. -- 19:08, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
You have a good point, 65. But a Goof implies that TBC are behaving in ways that they should not. TBC put that scene together exactly as they should, so it's not a Goof. Goofs should be reserved for bona fide mistakes. If Glitches is out, then that just leaves Remarks. But on the other hand, I think Glitches is a good fit for this fact, because putting it there highlights pecularities in the Flash file without stigmatizing the result. I think that's the direction the Glitches category is ultimately taking. — It's dot com 03:52, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi guys. When the page was being built I was actually the first one to move this comment from a goof to a remark. The way I saw it at the time was that, even if they had time limitations to deal with, and given that putting homesar in there the right way would be much work, I thought and still think that it was purposely left the way it was made because it was "homesar-ish". The odd behavior fits perfectly with... well... everything else he does. One way or another I'm pretty sure that TBC knew of the flash limitations and that it would behave the way it does now. In the end they probably decided this would be a good way to present homesar's easter egg. Following that line of reasoning I think it belongs as a remark. That's just my opinion. --Stux 04:09, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Marzipan's Eyes


Welcome to the Homestar Runner Wiki, where parts of outlines disappearing for fractions of a second are noticed. All sarcasm aside, it is interesting. Add it on. - KookykmanImage:kookysig.gif(t)(c)(r)
LOL! That is so true (the noticing part)! That cracked me up! Anyway, for the record, I have not YET checked to verify the comment. --Stux 00:02, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Strange Looking Marzipan


Oh gods... I hate you, Burnsides. I followed that link and watched the Salad Fingers toons and I can't remember the last time I was as thoroughly creeped out. Reading the theories about it on the wikipedia afterwards didn't help either. I think I'll have that stuff stuck in my head for months... -Krendal


Can someone please put mirrors of the endings? Mini-Trogdor

Try downloading the Flash Decompiler, then saving the flash file from the bottom of the article. You can move backwards and forwards all over the place! —AbdiViklas 23:38, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
A seek bar is also good for quick access. I don't have a good link, but I know there's one around here somewhere. — It's dot com 23:43, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Same middle name.


Neat. - KookykmanImage:kookysig.gif(t)(c)(r)
Yea, I guess that's a better chance than your first or last names. Thunderbird 01:20, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
It must be a reference to you! ;)
Do you spell it Micheal or Michael as I do? (It's my first name, but I go by my middle) --NFITC1
Micheal, man. Bassium! m OCE

Possible Ref

This may be a ref when the KOT is digging for something he baried when he was 9 and now can't find it may be a ref to the film Stand By Me when one of the kids I can't remember witch one. Buried a jar of pennies when he's 9 and then can't find it when he's older.

Can anyone verify this? - KookykmanImage:kookysig.gif(t)(c)(r)
I saw the movie, but I think that is a stretch. Besides, I think if we put any more references, this article might pop. I R F 00:02, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Different endings

Can I get one combolation of choices that produces each of the endings? Thanks ahead of time. - KookykmanImage:kookysig.gif(t)(c)(r)

How about End 1 (1, 3, 2, 3, 1); End 2 (3, 1, 3, 2, 2); End 3 (1, 3, 1, 1, 1); End 4 (3, 1, 3, 3, 3); and End 5 (2, 2, 2, 1, 2). Those will give you a different ending each time, as well as show each different stop along the way. — It's dot com 00:15, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks a ton, dot com! - KookykmanImage:kookysig.gif(t)(c)(r)
  • thanx alot!

Chuck Taylor Reference?

In my opinion, Homestar said "The woods are chuck full of.." or something to that effect. This may refer to his shoes, Converse All-Stars, or Chuck Taylors. What do you think?

I think he simply mispronounced the word "chock" - the term "chock full" is a common phrase. - KieferSkunk 20:02, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Althought Strong Bad did mention this once before when he said "Chuck Taylor wearing low self-esteemers." I R F 20:05, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Found it: best thing (the Limozeen cartoon episode). Given that, I think this reference is possible, but it may be a bit of a stretch, considering (a) Homestar wasn't talking about his shoes, and (b) "chock full" is still a common phrase that is entirely appropriate for this context. - KieferSkunk 20:17, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Date of release

While I do agree that it was released a little too late, shouldn't we (and don't we always) go by the official date on the Main Pages? I remember A Folky Tale was released shortly after midnight, but TBC called it a Monday update, and so did we. —BazookaJoe 01:10, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

This wasn't just a little after midnight, this was 1:30 a.m. Atlanta time. They admitted they were late with their message: "It's still Halloween in certain timezones." Sorry, guys, but you released it in November. — It's dot com 01:31, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Yeah but like TBC said, it was still October in some time zones including the Mountain Time Zone which is Utah's time zone and thus the time zone where the server for this wiki resides, is it not!? ;) So by their own admission they've confessed to releasing it for those time zones, and I am sure that they set their watches so that they'd have the "correct" time of 11:30 MST. :D --Stux 01:49, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Ummm... no. They just tried to release it at least in time to let a few time zones appreciate it. Those would be:
  1. Midway island; Samoa.
  2. Hawaii.
  3. Alaska.
  4. The West Coast, most notably British Columbia, Washington, Oregon, California, and a bit of Mexico. To a lesser extent, I think the Yukon's also in there.
  5. And Mountain time. Which has some Alberta, Utah, Arizona, Probably some Northwest Territories, ect.

Besides that, Halloween was over. That would also explain their 12 hour update to the toon, they released it before it was done, then fixed a few minor things they wanted. Thunderbird 01:56, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Whenever there's been a question regarding release time, I can always remember us going with Atlanta time. -- Tom 03:26, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
LOL, now *that* is a detailed time zone list if i saw any! You have done well in combatting my intellect! (However, I did reference a movie, and the source has not been revealed!) To be sure, I hope no one has taken me too seriously with this post and it's accompanying comment-- I do not want to come across as arrogant. I'm just playing a little devil's advocate. (And yes, it does make more sense to go by Atlanta time) --Stux 03:57, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

The Cheat Noises

I missed the discussion (if there ever was any), did we ever come to a decision about guessing what The Cheat says, and noting it in the transcript. Because The Cheat is obviously (to me) saying "I'm the best!", a phrase Toad often said, such as in Mario Kart. Thunderbird 01:36, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

I think we did decide that we don't put words in The Cheat's mouth. However, I also think we can make an exception this time, since what The Cheat is saying is a direct reference to Mario Kart 64 and similar. If he wasn't in costume, I'd say no, but... It's okay if he is. --DorianGray
Yeah, we should just forget about trying to translate the "the cheat" noises there. To hard. — talk Bubsty edits 02:00, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
The previous discussion was at HRWiki:Standards. The best thing I had to say there regarding the situation here was this: "I do believe that there does exist that tiny fraction where it actually sounds like he's saying something. But these cases are quite rare." So, if it really can be determined (from context or whatever) that he's saying "I'm the best", then it should at least be mentioned somewhere. — It's dot com 03:11, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Edit Conflict: I agree. There are several instances where I've heard noises that are very close to the words that would fit perfectly in context. I beleive some of those words might even be in the SB email easter egg where we have his noises translated by a notable expert in the field of The Cheat-speak. --Stux 04:02, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
I thought all the "Learn to speak The Cheat" entries were already in the transcripts. That should be checked on. — It's dot com 04:03, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Oh! They could be... I wasn't saying they weren't. I was just pointing out that what was heard was very close to matching its translation. --Stux 04:23, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
I for one am highly in favor of adding a Fun Fact, that "I'm The Best" is a common Toad phrase. However, in order to do so, it would likely first need to be added to the transcript. Surprisingly enough, it was rather hard to find proof that he actually says that line on the Mario Kart series. But for any who might question this, I found a couple of links that say otherwise. Are there any objections to me adding it to the transcript? Thunderbird 04:00, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
None whatsoever from me. As a Nintendo fan--and supporter of Toad's Mario Kart 64 voice (as opposed to Super Mario Sunshine and later games)--I think this is very noteable. --DorianGray
I also don't like the way the transcript explains "Poomp" as being the effect made when Toad crashes. It has very little do to with Toad crashing, but it always happens when I kart lands after going off a high cliff. I think it should be reworded to reflect that. --NFITC1
Yeah, someone get that outta there. It's already explained in the fun facts. --DorianGray
Done. I thought it was worded like a fun fact, which doesn't belong in the transcripts. --NFITC1

An early version

The version I watched when the toon first came out is different than the version that exists now. Basically, I have a version open in a browser window from last night, and it doesn't have The Cheat's Easter egg OR Homestar returning to himself after turning into tofu. I'm trying to find it in my temp folders. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 04:54, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Yeah there's been some mention of it in the discussions. I remember not seeing a The Cheat easter egg - I didn't even know there was one until you mentioned it! I have read about the Tofu thing somewhere in this talk page (and it's prolly in the FF too). Good luck finding the SWF for your old version! That'll be cool if it's still there! --Stux 05:02, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
EDIT CONFLICT: Yea, I think it was already noted. Although a mirror or two under the links would be a nice touch. (New "The End" screen, Cheat "I'm The Best" easter egg, and an extended Tofu Homestar ending). Thunderbird 05:03, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Whoa! Two edit conflicts with the same person in the same night! <insert Twilight Zone music here> --Stux 05:13, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
I still have it open in the browser window but I can't get it out. It's not in my cache any more and saving the page downloads the new one. Anyone have any ideas? Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 05:39, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Hmmm... Leave it open if you can for now, and Talk to the Tom/Com duo. One of them'll probably be able to help you. I'd use the IRC Chat channel in the external links, you'll get better tech-support that way. There's gotta be a mirror or two floating around the net by now though, right?!?!?! Thunderbird 05:51, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
I think the only way you'd be able to get it in that situation is if you can find it in your cache. Amanda, what browser are you using? -- Tom 06:35, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Firefox. I already searched my disk and memory cache and found the new version. It's really strange. I guess downloading the new version overrode the old version, but the old version is still in my browser window. So where's it being stored on my machine? Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 07:09, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
It appears that Flash has some sort of automatic cache, but it's set not to cache things from Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 07:14, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
See if "about:cache" in your location bar reveals anything interesting. -- Tom 07:23, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Uh... yeah. Quoth the me: "I already searched my disk and memory cache." I searched all the files on my computer, too. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 07:25, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
UPDATE: Lost the window. I accidentally opened a file that opened in the same window as the toon. Sorry guys. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 07:30, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

The Mysterious Man of Mischief

We have all known for a long time that Strong Bad mercilessly torment Strong Sad. But I got to thinking after the Halloween Toon mention the essence of putting Strong Mad's hand in warm water that how many time has SB teased SM? I remember the potato salad in the drawer but are there other examples out there.

Also does anyone think that it is worth it to list the times Strong Bad has tormented other people like glueing SS's hands to his face and locking him in the bath tub at Decemberween? I R F 15:12, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

We already have Strong Bad Hurting Strong Sad. I don't think we need a page like that for everybody. SB is just not a very nice person, and I don't think we need proof by cataloging every instance. small_logo.pngUsername-talk 15:16, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Strong Sad n' Say

Wouldn't Strong Sad saying "each day you die a little more" be a slight reference to Spin n' Say? I found the way he said it in this toon quite similar to the way he said it in the game. Teh_Frossty_One

Already noted in the article. I do think Marzipan's "Yay! Now I'm not the only girl!" is a reference to it, though. - KookykmanImage:kookysig.gif(t)(c)(r)
As for Marzi, I thought I remember saying something similar in an interview also. I R F 23:45, 2 November 2005 (UTC)


Isn't Strong Bad saying "That's a worthy cause if ever there was one!" a reference to Stinkoman "That's the name of a talented fighter if ever there was one."20X6 vs. 1936? User:20X6_GEM

That's what I though at first, but it could easily be a coincidence. - Joshua
That's a worthy fun fact if ever there was one! How can it be a coincidence? If it wasn't intentional, he would have said, "That's a worthy cause if there ever was one," not the other way around. - KookykmanImage:kookysig.gif(t)(c)(r)
Actually, it's usually said the other way around. I think it counts as "common phrase". Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 23:54, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Runnin gag?

When Homestar's singing that song, would that be another refrence to "Eggs"? Cakeman

Annd scene

Isn't Marzipan saying "ennd scene" instead of "annd scene"? I think that makes more sense...

"And scene" is what you say at the end of a brief performance, for example in a theater workshop. A brief search turned up many results, five of which I have listed below:
TOBIAS: (screaming, singing "Amazing Grace") This isn’t a fever! (continues singing) (on the floor) Can’t even see where the knob is! (dramatic sigh) And scene. (takes a bow)
I loved during the Sugarhill theme how Bateman did a sort of "and scene" movement with his hand.
(Broadway auditions)
(From his acting class)
JACK: And scene. Nice work.
It's dot com 04:59, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Homestar gets an item

If it hasn't been mentioned yet, I think that the whole thing with the music and the screen that pops up when homestar acquires an item is a reference to something, but I can't recall exactly what it is from. Could it be the Legend of Zelda?--Martin925 05:14, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, I think it's a reference to any number of video games, including the Zelda series. — It's dot com 05:17, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
That particular jingle is a TBC original. I agree that it's likely modeled after video games that chime when you get a "key item", but there are too many of those games to list. --NFITC1
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