Masturbation Almost Everyone Does It

There are a few topics that are way too interesting to not have multiple postings and sex and the single christian is one such subject. During my blog surfing, I came across Zabeth’s Ladies Stop Treating Sex Casually post which addressed sexual frustration. I recognized that for single Christians, this is an ongoing itch that if scratched outside of marriage (ie by one’s self or with a lover), will result in guilt, shame and self-condemnation. So let me give my unedited opinion and some random thoughts about this issue.

I believe that anything sexually related  has become a dirty and perverse idea in the church. The church and very pious individuals only address sexuality in the context of marriage with the assumption that if you are not married then it does not exist. For those curious about the evolution of sexuality, then watching the History Channel’s 5 part series about The History of Sex will be very eye-opening. So, because most people in the western world are not betroth to be married at birth and neither are we living in ancient times where a 13-year-old girl is on her way to being an experienced married woman with children, then what are the solutions?

Masturbation is more acceptable for men than for women. It is practically a rite of passage for boys and men: nocturnal emissions, uncontrolled morning erections and natural sexual attraction driven erections. For women, our equivalent to the penis is the little clitoris which is safely tucked away and is packed with lots of nerve endings that play a part in female arousal and sexual satiation. Women, especially Christian women, do not talk about such indecent things because heaven help us if we admit to having the desire to indulge in a little release.

One of the politically correct solutions to address sexual frustration is to ‘work it off’ which means exercising or some other physical activity. Seriously? That really works every time? Sex literally starts in the mind the moment a woman sees a very good-looking man that she may be attracted to or for men, when a woman swishes by him with a feminine sway. If you are a Christian or not, “mental masturbation” (a termed use in jest by the psychiatrist in our office) happens whether we want it or not. A friend of mine aptly said that heaven help her husband when she marries because she has a lot of releasing to do :-). Don’t you just love such honesty! Yes, she is a Christian.

I advocate for singles using any method they are comfortable with to help address such a natural feeling. That means adding a toy, using your hands or a combination of both (there are no confirmed cases of going blind), exercising or praying.  It is employing the same self-stimulating strategies most of us would use if we were married (except the exercising and praying). I doubt there is a married couple who can tell me that they do not use some form of self stimulation in their sexual activity. If there is, then I would recommend a sex therapist right away to help you work through your continued guilt and shame.

It is difficult to use the phrase WWJD. I have no answers to that because according to the bible, Jesus was focused solely on doing God’s work and there was no mention of any female interest in his 33-years on earth. In ancient times, it was unusual for a man to be never-married at the ripe old age of 33.  My assumption is that Jesus probably went through the same feelings as any other human but there was no mention of how he dealt with those human urges. Most Christians would stone me for saying that Jesus probably had to deal with ‘wet dreams’ like his pubescent peers.

Do I think masturbation is a sin especially when adults are marrying at later ages? No. (This is not addressing people who has an addiction or obsession with sex). The ‘good Christians’ like to give the impression that they are untouchable about such things but it is a myth.

I think that the early church has vilified everything related to the penis, clitoris and sex. Even today, sex still carries the feeling of sinning even within the christian marriage.

Masturbation is a choice like almost everything else in life. I am sure a large percentage of the world does it but never talks about it unless the person is a porn star or an outspoken psychologist like Dr Ruth. Single christians are especially susceptible to sexual frustration and stress because even the idea of fantasizing can provoke overwhelming guilt and shame. Plus they probably believe that they are the only ones who have such “bad thoughts and feelings.” Talk about neurosis! (an oldie but goodie Freudian term). I say to single Christians go forth and scratch that itch until you marry someone who can do it for you.

91 thoughts on “Masturbation Almost Everyone Does It

  1. My oh my!!!! This was so good! I liked everything about it. In fact, to be quite honest — I’ve actually NEVER stopped to think about Jesus in his ‘puberty’ years— you make a good point. BUT, I definitely don’t want to think about Jesus masturbating — like nah…lol. Did he? I have no idea. But it’s not too far fetched to believe he didn’t —- I mean, after all he was Jesus. At 12, the kid was reciting the Torah in temples — it’s safe to say he might’ve not been your average ‘pubescent’ boy.

    In any case, wether Jesus did or didn’t isn’t the discussion.

    I do appreciate your perspective on this — refreshing!

    Thanks for finding my blog and sharing this with me!

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  2. I have read your original post and many of the responses. I would like to offer a few thoughts, some my own, and some borrowed.

    When the Bible speaks of lust, it does not help us to understand what is meant if we use a modern definition, even if it comes from a reputable dictionary. We need to understand the meaning that would be understood by the writer and original readers. Biblical lust is not necessarily sexual.

    To quote The Biblical Naturist (
    “Careful study reveals that the Greek and Hebrew words translated “lust” and “covet” (which are biblically equivalent) really refer to any sort of strong desire. Jesus actually said that “with great LUST I have LUSTED to have this meal (Passover) with you (His disciples).” That’s not a direct quote, but you can look it up and see that the same word he used for looking at a woman with “lust” is the word he used to speak of His great desire to share a final meal with His followers.

    It is really a matter of context that determines the rightness or wrongness of the desire. In short, I’d say that it has to do with whether or not it is a desire that I can righteously fulfill.”

    Lust that cannot be righteously fulfilled is sinful whether it is lust for a neighbour’s house, car or spouse.

    There is an excellent 4-part treatment of masturbation on the My Chains are Gone (MCAG) web site starting at:
    It is followed by a response to objections at:

    It has been observed that many boys learn about masturbation when they reach puberty because they are curious about the erections they are experiencing, and in that curiosity they discover the pleasure to be derived from stimulating their penises, which ultimately leads to ejaculation. All this may occur before a boy takes an interest in the opposite sex. In our hyper-sexualized society, this may be less common than is once was, yet here we have masturbation without lust. Even after exposure to the temptations of the world (including pornography), it is possible for a man to rediscover masturbation without lust.

    Pornography is pernicious. There is nothing good or redeeming in it. Pornography is based on the lie that the human body is primarily sexual and that any event involving the human body is a sexual event. Perhaps surprisingly, the Church’s promotion of modesty is based on the same lie. Pornography and modesty are not opposite ends of a spectrum, they are two sides of the same coin. We are created in the image (visual representation) of God. We are His self-portrait. It does not honour God to reduce our bodies to being considered primarily sexual.

    Another lie is that men a primarily visually stimulated. It is not the natural state of men. It is a Pavlovian response promoted by marketing agencies and pornographers in order to sell product. As a result of these lies, Christians spend their strength fighting the wrong fight and never having long term success.

    If we instead choose to believe the truth, the truth will set us free. That is what is behind MCAG. By replacing the lies we have believed with a renewed Godly view of the body it is possible to be free of the allure of pornography and the lust that it enflames. This, not by the force of human will, but by the grace of God. This is not just my assertion, it is my testimony. I have been living in freedom for a year.

    I have been married for more than 35 years, so I don’t know the pressures faced by singles today. I do know that the pressures to indulge in pornography and to lust that I faced for most of my life have evapourated.

    I started out trying to prove that Christianity treated women better than Islam, only to discover that by and large, both religions blamed women for men’s lust. I then went looking to see what the Bible really said rather than what has been commonly taught for the past 300 years. I found The Biblical Naturist and My Chains are Gone, and read all of the material there. Along the way, I was surprised to discover that pornography had lost its’ attraction, and that I could appreciate the God-given beauty of the female form without lusting after it. I trust that others can find freedom also.

    I still haven’t reached a conclusion about masturbation, but I do know that release of sexual tension is possible without lust, and I do reject the Gnostic view that spiritual is good and physical is bad.


    1. Han, it’s an old post but still a relevant topic. Thank you for your view.

      I know too many Christians who struggle with the masturbation issues and as I said it has to be an individual decision with prayer.

      Pornography had definitely complicated and interfered with people’s sexuality and thoughts. It has brought on an unhealthy level of sexual desire for many.

      My goal with my sexuality posts is to help Christians recognize that certain things we feel or experience are normal versus the constant message that anything outside of missionary sex is the sinful devil’s influence.

      There are too many sexual dysfunction issues in people’s minds and intimate relationships due to ignorance and shame but yet Christians stay quiet.

      To show how relevant this sexuality issue has become in the Christians lives, this is still my most popular posts and so are the ones in which I address any sex and sexuality issues


  3. Thank you for sharing. I am a male and I am struggling with guilt and condemnation over masturbation. Come on, we have urges. Why the church world like to use masturbation (the act) as always sexual sin. It is like telling a tennager that fantasizing and masturbation is a big No No. Then it makes them “greater sinners”. Just because Jesus said whoever lust after a woman in his mind, commits adultery. And since then, people uses this verse to condemn others. So did call that means after we become a Christian, we should and check must never / to avoid sexual temptation or lust? Good designed by body to long for a partner and we are sexual beings. Even in the old testimony, I have never heard God punishing anyone who masturbates or fantasizes in their mind. So why now the body of Christ condemns those who does it?


    1. Sex has always been taboo in Christianity so it stands to reason that any sexually related behavior can make people uncomfortable even within a marriage. This will always be a struggle in the church




    1. You are welcome. The act of masturbation serves a purpose for people in and out of a relationship. The more people realizes that the less stigma and shame is associated with it


  5. I just turned 30. I’m a conservative Christian woman. I am single. And I like sex. I was kissing at 13. Inappropriately touching/being touched at 14. And “everything but” at 15. My parents and youth group did a great job keeping me from going all the way in high school (much to the frustration of my senior year boyfriend), and in retrospect, probably best I didn’t go all the way at that point in life. But once I got to college (just turned 18), a guy I had started dating went for it after about 3 weeks of dating, and the combination of an older (22) hot guy, privacy of a dorm room, no parents within 100 miles, and my hormones going crazy led to the demise of my hymen. It hurt. It felt good. Two days later, we did it agan. It hurt less and felt better. From then on, it just felt good. Real good. Well, that relationship ship soon ended (for other reasons). Which was fine. The high school boyfriend (went to a different college, said it was OK for us to date others) got pissed off when I told him, but by Christmas break, he must have forgiven me and he ended up losing his virginity. From then on, I have sex when it is a good situation and I want to. I don’t sleep around, but I don’t artificially repress it, either. When there is no “good situation” available, I take care of things solo. I live in the reality of my human condition. If I had gotten married (or if it was on the horizon) right out of high school, I suppose I would have “saved myself” for the wedding night, and then been able to play holier than thou when this topic comes up for discussion. Yes, I’m a sinner. I don’t lie or steal. But I do have sex, be it with myself or I have a partner.


    1. I appreciate your honesty. Living in the Christian community, there is no denying the belief that premarital sex (and any sexually related activity) is a sin. Each person has to sort out their own relationship with God.

      I am oppose to those who lie about their own sexual urges in order to appear “pure.”

      Always Be cautious and respectful of your body, sex is physical, emotional and psychological


  6. You say either use a toy, or pray?! Really?!! What the hell are you praying for if you are coinciding with using a toy, the purpose of prayer would be to
    flee the devil where temptation comes from! You who write this and follow this false teaching are divided between God and the world and your loyalty is divided and you are tossed by the waves. Turn to God, humble yourselves.


    1. If you read my posts, then you know that I do not agree with a few things in the Bible. Just like anything else religious, it is between me and God. Your relationship is between you and God as well – The freedom of choice even with God. FYI – Sexual urges are not from the devil. They are from God who made all of us.


      1. Thanks for your reply. And yes, I understand the multiple facets of one’s life that are affected when one engages in sexual activity. Oddly, I’m far more conservative about it all now than I was that freshman year of college . . . but I suppose it was sort of like getting a new toy — you play with it more than maybe you should at first.

        P.S. Just to clarify, the high school boyfriend lost his virginity to me.


  7. THIS POST IS FALSE! You say go ahead with masturbation until marriage, the bible says if you feel the urge so often then go and get married! It’s either married or don’t.







































            God bless!



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                God bless!



                1. Steve,



  9. I do not feel that masturbation is sinful. It is sad and ridiculous that so many people agonize needlessly over this. To me, masturbation is harmful only if you are obsessed with it.


    1. I do believe that this is one debate that will always have people divided. I do agree that like many other things masturbation can become an obsessive habit. Ultimately, Christians will choose what is right or avoid what is wrong for them.


  10. Where do I begin? First of all, thank you Sister Harley for tackling this very controversial topic. It seems to pop up anywhere Christians congregate to discuss things concerning our lives and the Bible. We have had a very lively discussion on masturbation on Christian Naturist Village, and there have been about as many opinions as there are persons in the discussion.

    For starters, masturbation is NOT prohibited in the Bible, even though lots of misinformed Christians like to point to Onan (Genesis 38-8-10). Yes, God did kill Onan, but not for masturbating. God killed Onan for refusing to give his wife children and an heir for her deceased husband. Sorry folks, but using that example doesn’t get the job done. Study your Bible before trying to pull that one on somebody, particularly on your naive young son who is looking to you for the TRUTH, not some BS. Yes, my parents lied to me too. Using any other Scripture to “prove” that masturbation is “sinful” or “prohibited” is taking texts out of context, which is a pretext.

    How about that command to “Die to self”? Contrary to popular opinion, that command does NOT include not taking care of our normal bodily necessities. Eating is NOT a sin, gluttony is. Drinking wine is NOT a sin, being drunk is. God created our sex organs and our sexuality for the purpose of not only co-creation, but also physical enjoyment. He also created those “sexual urges” we all feel when we haven’t “taken care of business” recently. I find it ironic that the loudest voices in the “Thou shalt not masturbate” camp are those of married folks who have long-ago forgotten what it is like to be single. My “urges” aren’t “normal”, but yours are? Give me a break… Don’t proclaim that crap, and then go home and have sex with your wife.

    Did Jesus go through puberty? Was He fully-human? To say that He didn’t go through a normal male puberty, including those wet-dreams and morning “woodies” is to deny that He was and is fully-human. The Apostle John has very strong words for those who deny His full-humanity – they have the spirit of the Anti-Christ. (1 John 4:1-3) Jesus was NOT asexual. He just never married or had sex. If you are going to stone Sister Harley, I will be right beside her as we are both stoned.

    Guys – if you want to eliminate those urges, go get castrated. That will definitely take care of that “problem”. Just don’t expect to be able to get married, have sex with your wife and father children afterwards. Otherwise, your thumb and four fingers are your best friend for now. Just do it in moderation, but do it often enough to avoid getting one of those nasty prostate infections (prostatitis), because those aren’t particularly easy to cure. Prevention is much better for you.

    In Christ,



    1. LOL, I am aware I may have offended some with the statement that Jesus, if fully human, also had to experience the normal maturation of ALL males. The bible did not talk about him using the bathroom but no one will stone me (or you) if I said Jesus probably urinated and defecated, cut his nails, cleaned his nose and bathed because he needed it. Again, the reason for the upset, is because anything to do with sexuality is equated with being sinful; therefore, something to be avoided.


  11. All this lengthy discussion seems to avoid the obvious (particular reference to The Seventh Warrior) – God made us sexual beings, God created the sex drive, God did NOT turn off the sex drive while single (otherwise none of this would be an issue).

    As to holy and pure – there are other bodily processes that can hardly be considered “holy and pure”…. (unless your body functions differently than any other human body that I know of). We need to respect the natural sex drive that God created in us and manage it in a responsible manner no different than we manage our hunger drive, etc.

    Oh, yes, something about scripture… Well, I covered that above – but “does not even nature teach you…”. You bet it does – loud and clear!

    In Him



    1. I believe that the natural “sex drive” is the most confusing thing for many Christians. It’s natural which everyone understands but there is a social guilt that is imposed on Christians (married and single) which I also experience at times. This conflict makes sex and sexuality such a heated and bipolar topic (as noted from the responses I am still getting after the initial post).


  12. I’m not sure you’ve full grasped the idea of remaining pure. Being single and Christian is not just about Not having sex but it’s about dying daily, and fighting all things that will lead you down the road of impurity. It is indeed hard, but it isn’t biblical to use outlets other than Jesus. Try not to trust in your own understanding of things. That’s what gets us in trouble.

    I pray that you receive this with an open mind.


  13. This is so true, real talk… it helps a lot bcuz I don’t like talking about it, I don’t even want to tell others that I do, but if I do tell, I feel guilty and ashamed… this really helps no condemnation… I’m a Christian and it’s very hard, I don’t want to have sex with guys so I masturbated instead of going to a man I relieves my sexual desire… God for bid, I can’t help it, I prayed about it, stop doing it for a whileaand then I start all over again, but I would want to stop though, how can I?


    1. Vanessa,
      I wish I can give you a guaranteed answer but from a christian stand point you have to make a commitment to yourself and try to focus on other things when your natural sexual urge kicks in. The feelings are as normal as breathing; however, like any behavior that is difficult to control you have to set goals and take it one sexually charged moment at a time. Find other things that may distract you or redirect your energy. If you find that getting out of bed to watch tv for a moment, praying, even doing some exercise or activity that will tire your out and put you to sleep immediately should help. Take a cue from women in sexless marriage. Their biggest complaint for not having the urge is being too tired or too busy.


  14. So, is it a sin for a single Christian woman to masturbate? I know premarital sex is a sin but isn’t single masturbation better than sex before marriage? Is God ok with pleasing yourself or is any kind of sexual act restricted for marriage? for me, masturbation relieves period cramps, that’s why i do it, is that ok? please help!


    1. Christiangirl,
      Well, I will do my best to answer your question but ultimately you will have to search the bible, pray, and decide for yourself. Personally, I don’t see the sin in the act of maturbation. However, other Christians will say yes it is sinful because with masturbation comes sexual thoughts and the bible has spoken against ‘impure’ and lustful thoughts. Sexual intercourse outside of marriage is forbidden biblically. Christianity also extends that to include foreplay, oral, and anal sex with another person.
      Orgasm, according to research and those who have experienced it, which is the holy grail of any sex act has many benefits to include cramps relief, decrease stress, helps improve sleep etc.
      The one thing I can say is that if you are feeling guilt because of masturbating then that is something to look into as to why. I wish I could tell you it’s sinful or not but the bible has not address the act any more than it has addressed intimate kissing between two unmarried people.
      I don’t know if that help.


      1. Masterbation is such a touchy subject and I leave it up to each person to decide according his/her beliefs but it still needs to be a part of the Christian’s open dialogue on sex.


  15. I really like what you say here, I am single and christian and I don’t want to marry, so masturbation to me is a gift from God.. There are no lustful thoughts, just a good release from pressure.. Thanks for the encouragement..


  16. I agree that masturbation in itself is not sin, but we MUST not allow ourselves to have lustful thoughts before, during, or after it. It is not impossible to masturbate without having lustful thoughts, it just may not be as naturally intended as sex was meant to be. However, we can both simultaneously love God by seeking to obey Him by not distorting sex into a casual mind-engaging activity with others that do not belong to us in marriage, and we can choose to release while trying to push away any thoughts that are not of God.
    I cannot say I am perfect at this. I am a single man with a lovely girlfriend that I intend to marry within the next year, and her and I are really attracted to one another. What’s a man to do? Be pure. Seek to be pure and keep her pure, despite mistakes with myself or her, either physically or mentally, and run the race towards Christ that He set before us.
    Masturbate and relieve yourself, but do not allow yourself to have lustful thoughts.


    1. First, congrats to you both on your commitment to each other and future marriage. Second, what’s a man to do? Talk to your intended about the sexual stress or pressure you are BOTH feeling for each other. One way to relieve a bit of the pressure of your sexual attraction is to not let things be clouded in mystery and secrecy. As you said before, “mistakes” happen but you both will have a better understanding of what each other is facing together and apart when your minds linger a little too long on each other. After all, a year is a long time before you are religiously legal to engage in any sexual play and you both will definitely experience a few more “mistakes” prior to the nuptials. I wish you both the best.


  17. Harley, it really is a pity that so many of God’s people torture themselves with endless guilt. The one message from that poor girl of 22 who thought God was angry at her actually made me sad. So many people see God as what can only be.described as an abusive parent or a bad teacher. I know that this distorted view is what kept me from becoming a Christian until.I was 54.


  18. I do not believe that God is offended by masturbation. I think He is merciful and understanding. At least MY God is. I also feel that He is not an angry, prudish old man Who has nothing better to do than rant over people touching themselves.


    1. When you have been around Christians for an extended period of time, there is a distinctive vibe given that God hates anything that is sexually related.


  19. I agree with you on this. If your not married or something and you got the itch then you better scratch or else your gonna have some serious hormone issues thoughtout your day. Thank you for posting these things and makeing people like me feel a bit better about how we view things. Now if i could only find a wife … 😦


  20. I can’t believe I’ve never seen this post. I found it when it was linked to a more recent post. I really can’t follow you in good conscience. I hope you have a good life and a good walk in Christ.


  21. I cant reply directly on your comment 7th Warrior so I’m just writing it here. And sorry it’s so long I tried to get in everything you said and asked.

    I understand your comment came from the scriptures and I have researched, prayed and questioned this issue for awhile now. The reason I believe this issue is purely opinion based is because its not in the Bible, so other christians that I know have used certain scriptures to try and come up with their own belief of what God would want just as I have. So don’t be offended when I say thoughts on masturbation are people’s interpretation and opinions. I respect your beliefs and understand that your choices are due to your love of God. But believe it or not so are mine. He knows my heart better than anyone so He knows that I’m not being rebellious or stubborn on this issue. If He came to me at any point and told me ANYTHING I do is wrong then that thing would be gone lickkety split because my ultimate goal is to please Him not myself. But I have yet to get that message so I think I’m pretty OK.

    And I don’t listen to myself or people when I consider any biblical issue because people are inherently wrong and I include myself in that. It’s not like I have a hyper sex drive and I just want to get off daily regardless to what God or the Bible says. I’m so terrified of living wrong that I research things vehemently trying to weed out shady and biased articles or opinions. I pray about things constantly. And God has yet to send me a negative sign or show me that this is wrong. But if you believe it’s wrong then it’s wrong for you.

    I don’t claim to be an expert on religious beliefs and matters so I admit I’m not sure what purity is and what qualifies as pure/impure. DIfferent christians and churches all believe different things, and they all believe they have the Bible to back them up through scripture. So I’m not sure who to believe and who is right. Which is why I said I try to pray and figure it out through the Bible. And if I don’t come to the same conclusion as another christian it doesn’t make me any more or less close minded than they are.

    I and many other christians and preachers believe that God gave us these feelings and ways of release in order to prevent premarital sex. I don’t see how that would be impure. Purity equals cleanliness and there is not anything unclean, dirty, disgusting, or porn-o-rific about masturbation. I’m sure people can make it that way but not everything people make disgusting is wrong. Just look at sex. God gave us sex he wants us to celebrate it that’s why there is a whole book about sex and love in the Bible. But people have twisted it into something that is impure and unholy. But that doesn’t mean sex is impure and unholy in itself.

    You asked what I think about the scripture. I understand it, yeah but do I think that the line “…they have given themselves to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity” relates to masturbation? Honestly no and I know other christians including you will disagree with me. But the Bible is very specific about what is and is not a sin and what is and is not impure as far as sex. There are tons of rules on it in the Bible. Masturbation is nothing new. Its been actually historically proven that it’s not new. So if “no masturbaton” is not among the many sex rules in the Bible and I’m following the Bible and NOT people with their MANY interpretations of what ‘impure’ means, then I have to believe that God is okay with it.


    1. The reason why I’ve given you Scripture passage is that, I didn’t want to give you any opinion about it, but pointed you rather back to the Gospel. And I never mentioned in my comment that I’ve considered ‘sex’ not pure or not holy. We were talking about the topic: ‘masturbation’. We share the same view about sex. Yes there is nothing wrong in it by itself, but by how people treat it… specifically in unholy unions.

      Let’s get back to the main topic. You just gave me your ‘opinion’ that masturbation is not an impure act in itself… but you’ve never answered my other questions:


      Seriously, can you answer these questions directly?


      1. I gave the analogy of sex and masturbation to show that because something is sexual does not mean its bad/impure. I wasn’t trying to say anything about you and your beliefs.

        Also I said I understood the scripture. But how one interprets a scripture is based on what they already believe. You believe masturbation is wrong so you interpret ‘impure’ to include masturbation. Since I don’t agee that masturbation is impure then I don’t interpret the scripture in that way. No matter what you say what you take from the Bible is all interpretation. Be it literal or not.

        And honestly I’m not changing your opinion and you’re not going to change mine. I can say that masturbation can be pure because it prevents you from commiting the sexual sin that is actually written in the Bible. That God gifted us wiht sexuallity and that I thank God for my clitorus and the ability to feel pleasure because not everyone can. I can say that vague scriptures about purity does not prove anyones point. And you can say that it does and I’m ignoring the truth. I don’t believe you and you don’t believe me.

        I don’t know what God’s view of purity is. Maybe it is complete and total celibacy for all your life. And maybe God understood that in 2011 people won’t get married at 13 anymore so masturbation is Okay.

        HE watches all that I do and if He is displeased I’ll have to deal with it in the long run but He knows my heart. Not you or anyone else. As I said before He knows I feel that He gave us masturbation as a tool just as you believe He doesn’t like it at all. I think He’d be even more disappointed that issues such as this is what tears Christians apart rather than bring them together.

        There is a scripture that states (I’m paraphrasing here and the original scripture was about going to church but I think it applies here) One man believes that (masturbation) is wrong while the other believes (maturbation) is okay. Don’t condemn either man. Both men are doing so to glorify God and God judges the content of a man’s heart.

        You think that understanding the bible is simple and that man makes it complicated to fit their own needs and desries. Really? The book that has caused so many different branches of Christianity. So many wars and online arguments (lol)…And to understand the book is SIMPLE? Nah. Don’t think so. If you read the Bible simply and take everything at its exact word then why are you so set to add masturbation to a list of sexual impurities when it is not listed in the bible? If the scriptures are all 100% God breathed then I’m pretty sure HE doesn’t need your footnotes or corrections/ insertions on what you THINK should have been included. And for that matter He doesn’t need mine or anyone elses.

        Mayb he didn’t include it to see who would follow his word exactly or maybe to see who would study the word (more than just reading passages but seekiing the Word of God through all means).

        Or maybe He left it out to reveal dirty sinners like me for not mixing and matching verses to see how many things they can restrict themselves of out of love. And I don’t mean that as a negative thing. I deeply respect Chrisitans who rid themselves of everything because they feel that is what they need to do to find God. I applaud them. But do I agree? No. Does that make me wrong or them wrong? Not at all. Because God judges man’s heart and f they are doing it for Him rather than personal glory.

        I don’t believe in adding sins/impurities to the bible. Thats what the pharisees did (making the rules about people must wash their hands before eating and a whole host of other rules). Sure these rules made sense to them and alot of other people or else they wouldn’t have had so many people following/believeing them. But when Jesus showed up with his disciples it made Him angry because they were adding rules to His father’s word that were not there originally. Which is why I don’t fall for the hype if something is not in the Bible, I’m not going to believe it is right or wrong without solid proof. I’d much rather piss a few ppl on the internet off than have God ask why I was following the beliefs/rules of man rather than Him. His book. His rules.

        I don’t believe that anything and everything we feel in this flesh is evil. I don’t believe wanting to have sex is evil because God made me that way. Even before the fall of man people had sexual desire. It is a blessing! That’s what Song of Songs is all about dood. The purity of wanting to ‘be with’ or ‘know’ that love of your life. So sexual/ fleshy desires are not all evil. So what makes masturbation evil? You still haven’t even answered my initial question. Is it because it’s solo? Is it becaue we aren’t supposed to experience orgasm before marriage?

        Do I think He is pleased when people do it? I don’t know that’s weird to think about God watching people have any kind of sex. And yea it pleases me but so does wine, chocolate, and anything cheesy. All desires of my flesh or carnel/human body but is it impure if I eat a Hershey bar? Think not.

        You ask me to answer you question but you never even answered mine. My initial question is what is impure about it and you answered with what is pure? But that didn’t answered mine.


        Some christians don’t believe in drinking any alcohol. They believe it is impure. I would ask what is impure about it and their rebuttal question is what is pure about it? How does it glorify God?

        The truth is it doesn’t. Yea God made alcohol so some Christians feel free to celebrate and show appreciation (sometimes too much appreciation which is the only sin.). Just like some people masturbate without regret because God made the penis and the clitorus and they want to celebrate it and all it can do and Thank God for being able to acheive that kind of pleasure.

        Same situation.

        I’m not claiming to have all the answers and I would NEVER dare say I knew what GOD wants/belives/feels because that’s soo not my place.



        I pointed out that the Gospel is simple in the light of knowing good from evil, because It simply guides us to choose from two regions and no in-betweens: life and death, virtue and sin, light and darkness, obedience and disobedience. And Scriptures always remind and warn us to choose: life, virtue, light and obedience.

        There is but one great light. But when a person wears yellow glasses, he/she would perceive the light to be yellow. Another person could wear blue glasses, and thus that person would perceive the light to be blue. And when they start to share about the attributes of the light, each one would speak according to what he/she has perceived. Thus, arguments come in. But if they take off their glasses, they would come to see the light simply as it is. It goes to say, that there is but one great Truth. No matter how people try to interpret that Truth, it wouldn’t change the Truth that it is. In the same way that the light would remain as radiant white, even if one sees it as yellow, or blue.

        And how can one say if he/she is speaking about that one great Truth? The Lord has simply put this standard of truth in one sentence as He said: I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. In Him is the hidden record and the great example of living a life of holiness, of purity, of obedience, in the light. Following the ways of the Lord is therefore, the greatest standard of that one great Truth, because He is Truth Himself. But humans like to complicate things. Our perception of this Truth is veiled by our own egoism, and selfish desires that we try to invent another way, which is most suitable to our concept of life that eventually leads us to create another truth. So then the complexity that you were talking about comes not from the Holy Words, but from the minds that perceive them.

        Even from this point that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life, one can sincerely figure out himself/herself, if masturbation is indeed permissible in a Christian’s life. If we are to wear His mind, what would He think about it?

        2. NO IN-BETWEENS

        You can’t serve two masters at the same time. You can’t have your one foot on the ground of good and the other on the ground of evil. Even if a clothe is so white, when it is smeared, no matter how small that spot of dirt is, it would still be considered dirtied. You found it unreasonable when I asked you that if you think masturbation is not impure, then what is so pure about it, simply because, I have only known two choices for us to choose from in following our Lord. It’s either we choose light against darkness, virtue against sin, life against death. I knew you couldn’t answer that question. For indeed there is no purity in such action, for you are simply permitting yourself to give in to your carnality. It couldn’t even be called a good intention and it couldn’t be called a bad one either. It is somewhere in between. But in God’s definition of holiness, there is no such thing as in-betweens.


        Indeed masturbation is not explicitly written in the bible as something considered sinful. But so are graft and corruption, money laundering, abortion, euthanasia… etc. But we consider them sinful acts don’t we? ‘Coz under the light of the Holy Scriptures, they are forms of sins stemming from, stealing and killing… but why are we so vague when it comes to sexual impurities?

        Saying that God maybe wise enough to think that we don’t marry anymore at 13, and He may have understood our needs… connoting that He may have allowed us to masturbate because of this… now I can say that nowhere in the Bible can this thought of yours be found… Are you speaking in behalf of Him? Your thoughts are not His thoughts; yours ways are not His ways.


        Yes, it is weird isn’t it? To picture God to be watching you when you masturbate? I know. I used to do this before… a lot of times. I know how it feels. I even dreaded to be seen by a person, how much more by God? It feels awkward for Him to see what I was doing, ‘coz I know that what I was doing is something His Holy Eyes would not want to see. I wanted to hide with my indulgence. Even when I tried to justify myself by saying that I was just doing it to release my stress, I know that I wasn’t guilt-free, for I knew what ran in my thoughts every time I did it… of course, it is not something mechanical that it can come out just as simple as literally ‘flipping the bean’ … I knew the pictures I have to play in mind to stimulate myself… by indulging in those thoughts alone; I knew I have committed adultery.


        “For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.” – Matthew15:19

        “You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh” – Galatians 5:13



        “Be perfect, as your Father is perfect” –Matthew 5:48

        Yes I know that if we really have to consider the admonitions in the Holy Scriptures on how to live a holy life, I know that it would be like looking at the peak of Mt. Everest. And some of us might grumble and say that ‘No way! I don’t think that God is that serious to make us climb that height!’… This is the very reason why He has given us His Son to show us the way… and that we may walk in His footsteps.


        I used to masturbate in the past. I used to have your kind of thoughts. But the more I knew GOD, the more I learned of how He wants my life to be lived: in the likeness of His Son. And I was convicted that He does not approve of what I did. I DECIDED to obey Him, and He has given me grace to overcome such act. Now, does it mean that when I have practiced SELF-CONTROL over this act, I don’t feel the sensations of the flesh anymore? Like the rest, I feel the urges of the flesh. But the difference is, I do not indulge on them but call on God for help. There is no sin in feeling the sensations of the flesh; sin comes when we INDULGE in them, by thoughts and by acts. And you may think that this may be the will of God for me, but not for others? Will God wants His children to live Holy lives… everyone, not one is exempted:

        “God has called us to live holy lives, not impure lives.” – 1 Thessalonians 4:7

        I am but another miserable sinner, so far from perfection, like the rest. But it’s different when you are sinner struggling to respond to God’s call of holiness, than a sinner who is blind to which way to follow. Though I am identified with my brothers and sisters as being a sinner, but I’m setting my foot on the narrow way which leads to life everlasting. Do forgive me if I just can’t shut up, looking at my other brothers and sisters heading the broad road, which leads to destruction.

        I understand where you’re coming from, for I have been there. But I encourage you to seek more, and to desire to know His thoughts. Don’t stop in your pursuit of pleasing Him, even if it means sacrificing your comforts and what your own thoughts. To tread on that narrow path, is one tough choice to make. But it’s the only way to heaven.

        I’m not forcing you to change your mind, rather presenting a call to choose.


        PS: Forgive me for quoting Scriptures; it is thus to give evidence to my own testimony… for this is not to my own understanding. ‘Coz if it is? If I were going to have my own way? I’d rather not hassle myself in self-control, and enjoy my freedom.


        1. This really my view of God. Not going to post my name or email but what you said really helped me. Thank you.




      3. I like this version better:


        (Emphasis on “lustful pleasures”)


    2. If man have to be very honest, it is simple to understand what is written in the bible. But since it would require them to abandon many of the things they crave or desire, they try to justify themselves by seemingly intellectual and logical reasons to get away and to give way to their fleshly desires… or ‘biological needs’ as they call it.That’s why they remain blind to what the Scripture is really saying about holiness, and their understanding so obscure to the truth of the word of God.

      -Galatians 5:16-17



      -Galatians 6:8-9

      Tina, you want to please God wouldn’t you? That desire is a good start. I’ll pray that you will indeed walk in the ways pleasing to HIM.




    3. Let me add something to the mix. A long time time ago, I was in church and friend of mine out of the blue asked me if I thought oral sex (in marriage) was wrong. For the longest time anything outside the missionary position was considered impure. These days even though things have changed, there are still Christian women who will not consider any of the other 101 sexual positions in the marriage bed because it is ‘unholy.’ Married people masturbate with or without their partners present. Is it impure if a wife who still have sexual feelings masturbate while her spouse is doing a one year deployment or if they are having phone sex because of long distance? Is masturbation wrong/impure/unholy only because a single person does it? Or is it the problem with the thoughts of being with a partner during masturbation?


      1. I agree with ya harley that’s why I don’t understand why some people consider it impure when it can be done in marriage as well. Is it because it is done solo? I’ve never really gotten an answer.

        You also hit on another point that I have been trying to make. Beliefs on what is impure/pure constantly changes over time and it differs by christian or denomination. Some christians believe alcohol consumption, Harry Potter, Pokemon, hot beverages, girls wearing jeans, pierced ears, mainstream music, disney channel– and a whole host of other things are impure. Does this make it so? I don’t believe it does. But if you interpret it as such by all means do what you do.

        The scriptures provided to “explain” why masturbation is wrong don’t really do so. Since the idea of what is impure varies by person these scriptures often get mis used as ‘fill in the blank’ scriptures where the person inserts their belief of what is wrong and believe that this justifies that belief. But since those scriptures are non specific they can (and have been) used to say that a lot of things are bad, impure, or a fleshy desire. Since they can be used to discredit anything in turn they prove nothing if not backed up by specific scriptures condemning the actual topic at hand. Since there are no such scriptures about masturbation I think it is a bold assumption to say that masturbation belongs or should be included in the list of impurities when it clearly wasn’t included for a reason.

        The Bible is the Bible. Not a mad lib. You can’t insert words into vague scriptures to prove a point. It doesn’t work that way.

        Anyways I love your blog Harleyq it’s good to read the thoughts of a Christian who admits that it is tough to be perfect.

        But this is going to be my final post on this subject. I’ve got homework lol and it is no use arguing religion with people they are not going to see your side of things and I wouldn’t want them to. Don’t go off and flick the bean or whatever just because I say it is ok. Real Christians don’t follow man’s opinions but try their best to follow God. So please do research for yourself anyone who is reading this.

        I pray that you all are blessed. 🙂


  22. I totally agree with ya Harleyq2.

    I think the church has a tendency to believe anything and everything that is pleasurable must be a sin and therefore we must use self control to stop very natural feelings that have nothing to do with the media or porn but sexual urges are just part of being human.

    I came from a church that believes the scriptures are God breathed and therefore should be taken literally in every way.
    That is…it should be taken literally unless it contradicts with what most mainstream churches are saying. Then we get the “Well what God MEANT to say was…” or the “We an interpret this to include….”

    Sorry But I don’t believe that. Everything in the bible is wirtten for a reason and therefore everything NOT in the Bible is NOT there for a reason.

    Maybe God made our fun buttons so easily accesable because he knew we’d get urges as the age of marriage got higher and higher. It’s not my place to say that HE intended us to flick the bean but I don’t think it’s anyone’s place to say He didn’t intend for us to do it either.

    I don’t think masturbation is a sin UNLESS you think it is a sin but do it anyway. That is an example of someone choosing their own desires over God. Other than that I think it’s just a way to celebrate our sexuality. Churches make sex sound so negative that they forget that it’s supposed to be fun. (I know some christians disagree with this and believe in the whole sex for reproduction only thing).

    I thank God for my sexuality-urges and all-because I know they’re not wrong, dirty, or bad.

    Also I think alot of Christians need to research sex in the Bible and the real definition of sexual immorality. They’d notice that the definition has changed over the years and it was not always directed at both sexes.


    1. Can you share how the Bible originally defines sexual immorality? I would love to gain understanding of your statement “They’d notice that the definition has changed over the years and it was not always directed at both sexes.”


      1. The original term in the original language was ‘pornea’ which at the time meant sexually illegal, but is more often translated as sexual immorality or fornication. Acts that were sexually illegal at that time were prostitution, adultry and incest. Alot of churches use sexual immorality as an umbrella term to mean anything that has to do with sex, but I think that is recent thinking (well, not that recent) that originated from earlier churches when they rearranged the bible.

        There is alot of debate about the original meaning of the world, alot of it being people arguing that by using an umbrella term, it obscures the true teachings in the Bible to fit a man’s standard of what is sexually acceptable and what is not while the church argues that the original definition doesn’t matter.

        Also i’m not too good at thinking of bible verses to support my beliefs, but this guys really is:


    2. ‘They have darkened their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity’ -Ephesians 4:18-19


      1. I don’t have a problem with being wrong. I actually like it better when people don’t agree with me so they can explain their understanding and I learn more. But no one has been able to explain why they think it’s wrong. It has always been ‘because the church says so’ but that’s not a very good reason to me. A lot of different churches believe alot of different things are wrong and they all believe that they have the Bible to back them up. So who is right? I find it easier to talk to God through prayer and read my Bible than to listen to a bunch of peoples biased opinions.

        I want to know what is impure about it? I know a lot of Christians say because a lot of ppl who masturbate use porn and are being lustful. But its very possible to masturbate out of boredom with no sexual figure in mind.

        Can anyone explain it to me?


      2. Tina, I have not said a single word coming from my ‘own opinion’ concerning your issue with who’s right or not when it comes to this topic. I just simply quoted a verse from the ‘Scriptures’ not from any ‘churches’ or ‘persons’. It was – A WORD FROM GOD. I was just curious what you think about that verse.

        I am pleased to know that you want to seek ‘God’s mind’ in this issue, when you said that you want to hear ‘Him’ in your prayers. So i’m wondering… what have you heard from ‘Him’ so far? And… are you really hearing ‘His voice’? or your voice? or someone else’?

        What do you think He thinks about purity?

        If you are so closed-minded as to what ‘church people’ say about this topic, then better have a search on your own, on WHAT REALLY GOD THINKS ABOUT THIS.

        You were asking what is so impure about it… I want to throw back a question to you… WHAT IS SO PURE ABOUT IT? IS IT HOLY AND HONORABLE ACT? IF GOD IS WATCHING YOU DOING IT, WOULD YOU THINK HE WOULD BE PLEASED ABOUT IT?

        Yes, there is no denying that we feel this thing going on in our flesh, because our flesh is yet in its fallen state… that’s why I understand that the Lord is warning us about these dictates coming from our flesh against the dictates of His ‘HOLY’ Spirit… and in fact, it’s a CHOICE that we have to make. It is a constant struggle and a tough choice to WALK IN THE WAYS OF THE LORD, WHICH CALL US TO LIVE HOLY LIVES.


  23. I praise God the the saints that commented and rebuked the false teaching on this post. Seeking self gratification is not loving God nor others thus not fulfilling any of the commandments of Christ. Trust in the Holy Spirit through obedience to Scripture.

    You were right in saying that praying was a good resource in fighting your urges, but I have to disagree with all of the other remedies


    1. It is my opinion and everyone who posts have their own opinions which I respect. If you don’t believe in masturbation then good for you. However, I disagree. I guess I will have to take it up with God.


  24. Yes… there are a lot of details not mentioned in the bible… but does it mean that all the details not mentioned there are certified true and correct? Unless supported by concrete evidences… opinions are considered ‘assumptions’ according to what one thinks of how things run in his/her own point of view… and are not necessarily correct… now assumptions are separated from facts… facts are naturally occurring…like eating, drinking, talking and all things humans do.. And it is logical that Jesus himself did those things as He was in His human flesh… but then, there is another aspect that needs to be considered… Jesus is not purely human… He is God-man… And God is Holy… Just because He is God in human flesh, doesn’t mean that He has lost His Holy Deity. He is still holy nonetheless contained in human flesh. Now my point being why I said that if you had the correct ‘concept’ of His holiness… then you wouldn’t have that kind of idea that Jesus would have had wet dreams (or night emissions) as ‘purely’ humans naturally would have (I never wrote that you were implying that Jesus is sinful, my point however focuses on your misconception of His holiness and His TRUE nature as God in human flesh)…

    To assume immediately that He might have had those urges as we naturally have because He became human like us, discounting the fact that He is still God, would lead to fallacy… because that assumption is made without considering all the facts.

    And this is the big difference… He is God; he was born without sin, while we were born carrying that sin in our flesh. It is sin that excites the urges of our human flesh, and that explains those inordinate desires… now let’s not talk about history or the starting point of it all since it all started since the fall… Jesus did not share that starting point of our humanity… He doesn’t have sin in His flesh that would have ignited urges that we are too well familiar of… Have you even tried to explore the logic why He has chosen a virgin to bear Him? Have you even tried to question why it took God thousands of years before He carried out the fulfillment of the Messiah’s coming into the world? For all the those thousands of years he couldn’t find such a pure vessel with the purest heart to receive Him until there’s the Blessed Virgin Mary, who, by the great faith of her parents was consecrated to be conceived without original sin. And therefore gave way for God’s Holy nature to be agreeably indwelled in human’s flesh without being tarnished… or infected by the weakness (sexual) of our flesh…

    “I am sure his parents had expectations of him to marry but again the bible did not talk about such things.”

    Again… what made you state this assumption? Because this is how humans think right? Practical right? But did you even try to validate if your opinion is even correct to start with, within the context of the facts given in the bible? Do you even know Mary and Joseph? Do you even know what runs in their minds when they had raised the Holy Lord under their care?

    Using your very good analogy of how humans might think… analyzing their kind of environment, their history, their family background… let’s use that then and let’s see where those facts would lead us… Let’s start with… Jesus did not have materialistic parents who think about practicality and money (as most of us think nowadays)… as the couple who raised Him are spiritual and had dedicated themselves to God. Of course, humans in a different context of treatment of beliefs would think otherwise right? The Bible gives us the details of, Mary (the mother of God) being raised under the care of St. Joaquin and St. Ana who are very dedicated to God, and who are very faithful servants of the Lord… Mary dedicated herself in the temple… remained pure… and understood the Holy Decrees of God passed on by their ancestors.. and She understood very well the coming of the Messiah who was mentioned in the prophecies of the old to be born of a Virgin (not knowing that time that it was her) to save the whole world… then an Angel came to her and announced to her that she would bear the Messiah… and when she said ‘May it be done unto me according to your word’… now, this doesn’t seem like she doesn’t understand the role of the child to the world for her to think that her son should marry does she? Unless she doesn’t know anything about the salvation plan, and she doesn’t know the purpose why she had that child… but I doubt that Mary didn’t, for the ‘detail’ in the bible states that she accepted her task as the mother of the Savior. She understood her role and the role of the child Jesus very well.

    And now there is also this man, whom what the Bible referred to as a righteous man named Joseph who has great faith in God and who has great knowledge of the decrees of the Lord and the prophecies of the old foretelling the coming of a Messiah… And then at that night when he was about to leave Mary when he found out that she pregnant (not knowing that time that it was by God’s grace) was told by an Angel in his dream that Mary has begotten the Son of God, conceived of the Holy Spirit… and Joseph took heed of that dream and married Marry… now I don’t think Joseph wouldn’t have had understood the task that he has just accepted when he accepted Mary and the child Jesus, would he?

    So saying that Jesus’ parents (Mary and Joseph) has expectations of Him to marry is a big misunderstanding of the word, if not, an unknowing of what is really written in the bible. And of course, the Bible would not talk about such things… because it is not true in the first place.

    So what kind of details are you talking about? These details are given, but the problem is, how you make out of them… of course if you’re looking for details that would support your opinion you would find none…

    “The bible did not talk about masturbation either; however, it is a human fact that we have urges. ”




    Why would the Apostle Paul address those things in his letters to the churches that are recorded in the Bible in the first place if not for the acknowledgment that these weaknesses in us are ever present, and even that he admitted the conflict of his body and the yearnings of the Holy Spirit that is living in him… and him attributing the help of Jesus to save Him from such… and… Masturbation is but one of those impurities, under the context of indulging with lust we feel in our own flesh…

    I have to reiterate that I’m not denying your ‘human fact’ that we have urges as I have acknowledge that in me too… the question being is in the choices we make out of those urges… would we give in to our cravings or choose to abstain and live holy?

    “The question which you have not addressed is HOW do you handle that as a single?”

    The reason that I have not addressed your question as how you wanted it to be addressed maybe is that, I don’t have the how… I don’t claim I know how… as I have acknowledge that I am weak to it… and I do not trust my own strength… so yeah, I don’t have the solution… and I don’t think any human would have had… I am however, relying on God’s grace… because only by His Grace will we able to conquer such inordinate desires that can lead us to sin against our own body, as we treat it in a such dishonorable way…

    “What makes masturbation wrong? or is it just wrong for a single but okay in the context of marriage?”

    I think I have already addressed the subject in my previous writing… I just want to throw a question back to you… If it is not a sin, do you think it’s holy?

    ‘It is nice to quote the bible (above versus talks about fornication and lusting after someone in one’s heart) but like alot of things people do not get practical.”

    Not practical? Maybe you mean… you’re not or we’re not practicing it? But I don’t think that it’s the same with… you/we can’t practice it. Again… the issue is… it’s not us who can solve this, not by our own strength… so I’m pointing you back to the Holy Spirit… whom Jesus left for us, as He coined as, as our Helper… knowing that our flesh is weak.. Jesus sends the Aid the Help us with our troubles… But how do we even treat that Aid for our weaknesses? oooh… like most of us do nowdays… we trust not Him but our own strength and understanding… and look what misery and chaos it brought!

    “The Bible did not talk about domestic violence, child abuse, rape so as christian we need to put that in context as well instead of just sprouting versus with no practical application. ”

    Sorry.. but I’ve found many verses in the Old Testament having recorded all the brutality and abuses of our race… and need I post the Ten Commandments here stating how God addressed those?

    But oh… He gave us a New Law: Love one another. And I mean seriously… do we even understand what it means to follow it? Or do we even understand what really Love is?

    God has never failed to show us, to guide us, to make known to us… the problem is, are we even listening? Are we really seeking the ‘truth’? Are we really learning? Are really trying to make our lives as He wants it? Are we even trying to do His will… or Our will?

    “I wants Christians to be honest about the things that are not mentioned in the bible that we face with daily and how we deal with it because not everyone gets on their knees and pray when the sexual urges hit.”

    Are you trying to imply that the solution you have is better than what God has for His Children? And that is, for His Children to rely on Him for help, to take heed to the leading of the Holy Spirit and to ask for strength to withstand these downfalls? I was honest when I said I have these urges… and I am weak to it, and for how many times I failed as well… but God never failed to give me grace.. I used to that as often as I could in my younger days… God has given me the strength to refrain… without Him, I’m left with the cravings of my flesh… He never fails to aid…

    “Believe me I am as good bible student as anyone and was raised with religious studies classes and church all my life, so there is nothing there that I have not read before.”

    But the question is… Have you really understood what you have read?

    So that is how you think… now how about how God thinks?

    “My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD.” – Isaiah 55:8


    1. Just a clarification on my line “Jesus is not purely human”… i think that wrongly said… what I’m really trying to say is… Jesus was not only human, He is also God. He is God in Man.


    2. -Why God chose a virgin: As far as I have heard according to bible scholars is because that was the only way to dispel any human concerns that Jesus was born of man instead of God. If she was unmarried and a virgin is it unlikely that people would say that he was Joseph’s child.

      -Mary may have had the concept of Jesus’ birth and like so many Jews they expected Jesus to be a political and national leader not a spiritual figure. Hence the opposition he had and the Jews are still waiting for him to come. There was a verse when Jesus said to her as a child in the temple that he had to be about his father’s business and she held that in her heart. No one knew what Jesus’ ministry was about except John the Baptist (the forerunner). Hence, the introduction of baptism and forgivenss of sins without sacrifices and priests. Paul when persecuting the church thought he was doing God’s will until the road to Damascus when the Lord gave him awake up call pretty much saying you had it all wrong.

      -Jesus’ humanity is very real because if it was not then the devil would have known to not try to tempt him with worldly things: food because he was hungry, the kingdoms of the earth, jumping off a high place. Jesus had both divinity and humanity and the bible states that he was tempted in all points as us humans. The reason the bible points out his humanity is because it would have been easy for people to say he is God nothing mattered to him. Jesus showed the most obvious of human traits before he was to be crucified in the Garden.

      -In terms of expectation for marriage: as I said before people did not expect a spiritual leader but a political hence, the reason herod try to have him killed as child because he feared for his political stature. The bible indicated that Jesus was an ordinary man until his ministry started in his 30’s. He is also known as the carpenter’s son (Joseph) and expectation of the times is that the son needed to learn a trade. Jesus was not just sitting around praying but he did, as the bible stated, followed all the Jewish tradtions and culture. It would have been unthinkable for him to not honor his mother and father (commandment). And it was also cultural expectations for the women and men to marry. It is not a stretch to expect Jesus to marry because that was expected.

      -I do believe Mary and Joseph were spiritual but practical as well. They were of the working class section of society (Joseph’s trade) and they had children either after Christ was born (or Joseph had children before) whom they had to feed. Hence the bible mentioned his brothers.

      -St. Joaquin and St. Ana ? I have not seen any of those in the king James version unless you are talking about Ana the prophetess who was mentioned in the beginning of the gospel story and it said she would see the Messiah before she died which she did. There isn’t much in the KJV that gives a lot of details about Mary and Joseph.

      -“If it is not a sin, do you think it’s holy?” I don’t think masturbation is a sin neither do I think it is holy. It is just one of those things that is. Its like answering the question Is kissing a sin or holy? Maybe I am being technical here but fornication and adultery was an issue when Paul wrote his epistle and this is just a guess but maturbation was not even something we want to talk about now so how much likely that someone would confess to something like that then. Lust means something different. I can lust without touching a hair on my body. I can lust in the middle of a crowded room because lust involves the mind of wanting something sexual from someone else. The question is then is maturbation a sin in marriage as well?

      -As I said, the bible did not mention specifically on how to handle a lot of issues that are major issues today but not then. Take for instance child slavery or owning a human as property and the Bible talks about the slave being obedient to their masters and vice versa. Girls were married at the estimate old age of 13 years old due to their fertility (no invitro in those days) which is accepted but today would be considered child abuse, a sin.

      – I do not imply that my way is better than God’s. I am saying that maturbation is not a sin but a means to an end to help the very sexually frustrated and it’s a great way to find out about one’s own body as well. The problem is most single christians get into situation with men and women that usually leads to sex or sexually related acts outside of marriage because they have ignored their sexual feelings. Most older christians and a lot of the younger ones as well are not married as virgins. Paul even talks about the fact that some people’s urges are so overwhelming he encourages them to marry instead of engaging in fornication or continuous lust of the mind for someone else.

      -As I have said, I wanted to talk about something that a lot of christians are faced with and a act that nobody talks about. If this is not something that is right for you and you believe it to be a sin then that is your choice. The same that comes with anything sexual is not sinful per say but a stigma that anything sexual in or out of marriage, even the topic is sinful.

      I appreciate you take the time to post about this topic 🙂


      1. Sorry for taking me this long to reply… I have had my hands tied with a lot of things I couldn’t find time to organize my thoughts for a yet long reply… Just to answer the issues you’ve raised..

        As you have heard with scholars? How about what you think of what is written in the bible? No wonder why it never occurred to you that the reason might be, the very essence of the indwelling of the holiness of God in a human’s flesh… does it have to be what others think? Does God really care about what others think? He is still God no matter what and even if others think pig out of Him, He is still what He is… and He is HOLY… He is Holy and He is just being true to His essence by entrusting such holiness to a blessed and pure virgin that is untarnished of whatever stains of humanity (in a spiritual sense)…that His holiness may find an agreeable dwelling… and this is to fulfill the prophecy: ‘The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.’ Isaiah 7:14. SO IT’S NOT ABOUT WHAT OTHER’S MIGHT THINK, IT’S ABOUT HIM BEING WHO HE IS – A HOLY BEING… and as far I know… God is not a politician to concern Himself of those kinds of thoughts… to dispel human concerns???

        ‘Mary may have had the concept of Jesus’ birth and like so many Jews they expected Jesus to be a political and national leader not a spiritual figure.’ BUT MARY IS NOT LIKE MANY JEWS. That is the very reason why She was chosen out of the many because She has such great faith that can channel God’s infinite power. A kind of faith that would give way to the fulfillment of prophesies. And you were referring to that verse regarding Mary and Joseph’s finding of the Child Jesus in the temple… you seemed to forget this key verse: ‘But his mother treasured all these things in her heart.’ – Luke 2:51. It is unusual for a common Jew whose understanding is too clouded to expect Jesus to become a political leader or have His own family to treasure such pronouncement of Jesus in her heart… why didn’t the Scriptures support your ‘perhaps’ and should have said Mary was confused of what Jesus said because this is not what she thinks Jesus should be about doing!??? To treasure such pronouncement in one’s heart means that She believes… She acknowledges what’s being said… and Her heart is in full recognition of its truth. Paul is just totally different story.
        ‘ Jesus’ humanity is very real because if it was not then the devil would have known to not try to tempt him with worldly things: food because he was hungry, the kingdoms of the earth, jumping off a high place.’ But notice that there wasn’t a mention of sexual temptation? Why would the enemy tempt Him of something that He isn’t prone of? Wouldn’t be that a stupidity on His part? All the temptations he gave were pertaining to abuse of power.
        Your assumption of ‘expectation for marriage’ by His parents is never supported in the Scriptures. You always miss the point or invalidate the fact of Mary’s and Joseph’s immaculate characteristics whom understood very well and took heed the will of God. I mean, why would God entrust His son to individuals who would misunderstood His plan of salvation? Who would think of His Son, the Messiah to marry someday or to become a political leader or a businessman? Or who doesn’t understand His will in the first place?? Why would God risk such a plan in a circumstance where it would be misdirected? IF God could’ve just given such a task to any of the ordinary Jews then He shouldn’t have just waited for thousands of years for the fulfillment of prophesy should He? If it’s not a big deal to find anyway….

        ‘I do believe Mary and Joseph were spiritual but practical as well. ‘. You have to define what you mean by being practical. Coz as far as I know, they were spiritual, and working for their livelihood serves their spirituality… not the other way around as what most of the people now do nowadays… so that kind of thought is not popular among them, at least for Mary and Joseph. As I’ve learned… Jews don’t have a distinct term for their other relatives that time… that they would only refer to their close kin using the term, ‘brother’ or ‘sister’… Jesus having referred to some of his brothers and sisters in the Bible meant his close relatives, or cousins… Mary remained a virgin, before and after Jesus’ birth… She remained pure, and immaculate.
        And I have to reiterate this. God does not think like you do, neither do those persons who understood and obeyed his will like Mary and Joseph.
        The Blessed Mother’s parents are not mentioned in the Bible. They were however mentioned in the Apocrypha – Christian texts that are not canonical. And by the way, I had the names misspelled. They were St. Joachim and St. Ann/Anne. The Apocrypha discusses more on what kind of dedicated life the said blessed couple have had for God.
        “If it is not a sin, do you think it’s holy?” ‘… 🙂 as you mentioned that Bible passage regarding sinning in your heart and mind… that does not necessarily deal then with external actions does it? but with what’s going on inside one’s heart and mind… actions are but products of what’s going on in the mind… so whenever you do a thing, you are judged with the weight of your intentions… to answer that kind of question then, as well as to answer questions in that same context is to ask one self, what’s my intention of doing this? Am I honoring that person I’m doing it with or not? Am I honoring myself as to follow God’s command of honoring oneself to live holy as He is Holy? Do I seek to express my love for that person in this way or do I let my urges overwhelm me that I tend to use the other to satisfy my own needs and I end up using him/her instead (for married couples)…

        ‘ I don’t think it is a sin neither do I think it is holy’ There’s no such thing as neutral, middle, or gray in God’s judgment. There’s only evil or good, black or white. So if it’s not holy, then it isn’t holy… what isn’t holy is sinful… if it’s not good, then it’s bad, if it’s not white then it’s black.

        Back to my point with ‘your promotion of masturbation’… so you mean when one masturbates he/she doesn’t lust? 🙂 I borrowed a definition from Mr. Webster he defined lust as: intense sexual desire or appetite, uncontrolled or illicit sexual desire or craving. Well grammatically, it didn’t really put a direct object there… just defined that lust is to have that kind of state… so technically, when you masturbate… you are in lust… or indulging in lust… doesn’t have to be with someone, you’re still in lust… so lust is not different… however an integral part of such inordinate act of masturbation… A DRIVING FORCE BEHIND… or even if use your own definition of lusting after someone… why not? Don’t you use others in your mind or lust after someone to stimulate you in that self-indulgent act? And look! Let’s check what’s going on in your mind and that time??? Are they even close to holy at all? It’s not alien to me because I’ve been through it…
        ‘As I said, the bible did not mention specifically on how to handle a lot of issues’ You seem to forget that there is what we call, Old Testament, and the New Testament. And that in the New Testament all the rules in the old are summarized into: Love. The New Testament teaches us to love one another. And I don’t see why it is not applicable in today’s issues.

        If we follow such rule, do you think there would be anyone who will do harm to another? Abuse, cheat or mistreat another?

        ‘As I said, the bible did not mention specifically on how to handle a lot of issues that are major issues today but not then.’ Though God did not specifically mention what to do when these things happen, His justice works in the authorities to bear consequences to the offenders… but generally, He has spoken of the time of His judgment… and thus those whom He’ll judge evil would be punished with eternal death. He is not sleeping… He knows all those things that are happening… and I don’t think that He is enjoying what He sees… He has withheld His justice however for His great mercy for all! It yearning to see all to turn back to Him… but His judgment is imminent… and He sees everything.

        The problem is, we do not take heed of this very simple, integral, and perfect law of Love… and we go on exploring other means that only bring us more misery. I mean seriously, there had been a lot of sociologists who try to invent means of ending the problems of humanity… but does one of what they’ve invented really brought forth lasting change? Does it even last? Does it work???

        Masturbation is a sin. It is a sexual (another definition from Mr. Webster: implying or symbolizing erotic desires) sin. It is a sin against one’s self. It is not true that the bible did not address this issue. The solution it provides is to avoid these things, and not to indulge in sexual cravings that can lead one to sin against oneself (‘Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.’ – 1 Corinthians 6:18). It does make sense when St. Paul said it’s better for one to marry than to indulge in sinfulness… masturbation included. It would be better that you have someone, sanctified in marriage to help you with these… than to burn in lust with yourself or to fornicate..

        And it is not true that God did not address this issue… or did not provide in the bible what to do with these things… simply He advised us through His messengers to take heed to the Holy Spirit. Taking heed means choosing on an inspiration. It involves a DECISION. For all sins begin in the mind… God advised us of what to have in our minds… and that is to have our minds set on heaven… to wear the mind of Christ… and this again involves a DECISION. It is a choice that we need to make. What sets us different from brute animal, or from dogs that deal with their sexual urges anytime and anywhere they want if we focus solely on what we feel? We are rational beings… our rationality is the very difference we have from animals. We have such dignity. Feelings do exist in us and they can be overwhelming, but then… we can choose what to make out of those feelings… and we can actually make our feelings subject to our will. How can we be called masters of our own if we let our feelings rule over us?

        I am speaking in the position of a single woman who used to masturbate a lot in the past, and how I found such grace from God to overcome that stench and how God has been giving me graces to sustain my decision of living a holy and honorable life… and He never failed to provide for my needs… I begged and asked Him out of my miserable weakness.. And He answers… He never fails to give if we humbly ask of Him… taking heed to His way… not mine… And I chose His way ‘coz I found it way better than mine… better is an understatement… His’ is best. I remember how I used to do that, and however I felt such release after the act… I never felt good, there’s this unexplainable guilt within me… But I used to disregard for the temporal enjoyment and satisfaction I get… but it has just done more damage on me than help… But with His way, I gained more respect for myself and believing that others would treat me in that way too.

        I don’t have problems with you raising issues here about things that are really happening nowadays in the churches and in the whole world… I was rather pointing some truths that you have not considered or disregard. It’s good to discuss these things, but may we not depart from the truth that might mislead others. Rallying our own misconceptions can be a very fatal ground for the enemy to mislead many more others, especially those who are weak in faith.

        May we not be deceived with our own understanding and seek His ways always… Coz He is the only way, the truth and the life.


  25. To recognize that masturbation along with other sexual acts is a sin is not denying the fact that we are weak to such desires of the flesh… and it is not denying that the flesh is naturally inclined to it… that is why there such a thing called the battle between the inclincations or cravings of the flesh against the inspirations of the Holy Spirit…and since it is a battle… we are prune to suffer attacks… But aren’t we called to put to death the desires of the flesh and to take heed to the leading of the Holy Spirit to live in holiness?

    It is suffering for our part… yes, because we are living in two contradictory natures… the nature of our fallen flesh, and the nature of the Holy Spirit that is living in us… and we know well the warnings telling us that following the former drags us to death, while taking heed to the latter leads us to life…

    It is after all… A CHOICE. And each choice has a consequence…. as for me… I would want to choose life and I understand that I have to bear sufferings denying the flesh… Am too is very weak when it comes to it…. but I continually pray to the Holy Spirit that He would give me the strength to withstand the temptations of my fallen nature… I have fallen many times… but I’m not giving up the fight…


    1. When you say maturbation and sexual acts are a sin? Are you saying in the context of being single or in general married or single? And a curiosity of mine. How do one turn on and off those God given urges (women naturally become more aroused around the release of the egg and this is to ensure copulation and fertization).


  26. ‘Be holy because I, the LORD your God, am holy.’ – Leviticus 19:2


    ‘They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, with a continual lust for more. You, however, did not come to know Christ that way.’
    – Ephesians 4:18-20

    ‘Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. 6Because of these, the wrath of God is coming.’ – Colossians 3:5


    I’ve searched and searched texts in the bible supporting what you are saying in your article… I haven’t found any… on the contrary… I found passages supporting the principles of the churches against your propaganda… There’s not a single text in the Holy Scriptures saying it is ok for a man or woman to masturbate…

    And regarding your comment about our Holy Lord… If you know what it means of Him being a Holy God, born without sin of a woman’s flesh who was also conceived without sin… then you wouldn’t have that kind of idea…

    ‘Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.’ – Galatians 6:7


    1. It is interesting that the bible does not talk about alot of things. I never implied that Jesus sinned. Jesus was also fully human so he had lots of things that are attributed to humans and to ignore that is to deny his humanity. I assume Jesus used the bathroom like others but the bible does not talk about that. I am sure his parents had expectations of him to marry but again the bible did not talk about such things. The bible did not talk about masturbation either; however, it is a human fact that we have urges. The question which you have not addressed is HOW do you handle that as a single? What makes maturbation wrong? or is it just wrong for a single but okay in the context of marriage? I have heard those versus before so have every christian. It is nice to quote the bible (above versus talks about fornication and lusting after someone in one’s heart) but like alot of things people do not get practical. The Bible did not talk about domestic violence, child abuse, rape so as christian we need to put that in context as well instead of just sprouting versus with no practical application. Believe me I am as good bible student as anyone and was raised with religious studies classes and church all my life, so there is nothing there that I have not read before. I wants Christians to be honest about the things that are not mentioned in the bible that we face with daily and how we deal with it because not everyone gets on their knees and pray when the sexual urges hit.


  27. What a topic. I think folks need to do what they need to do to keep sane in a crazy world. I don’t believe that masturbation is a sin. However, I have found that men who masturbate excessively make poor lovers, because they are so used to using their fist; no mouth, vagina or handjob from a woman will have the same pressure as their fist. As with anything else moderation is the key . Here is a link to an interesting article:


    1. Jules, that story was just low. I can’t image what people say to her family. I agree that like everything else in life that there needs to be moderation. Sex and masturbation can become a compulsion which is very different from people who chose to deny those feeling because they think it is a sin. Men or women who is an addict will not have a problem with denying themselves pleasure by whatever means necessary.


  28. Well said. I think alot of the restrictions regarding sexuality come from man and their hangups and not so much from God. I saw that documentary on The History of Sex. Very interesting stuff. More people should watch it.


    1. I do agree that men throughout history has put very stringent restrictions on anything remotely sexual and mostly for women not themselves. Usually the ones who are screaming the loudest against these types of discussions are the ones who happily indulge. The fallen tv ministers are an excellent example.


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