Unwanted Effects of behavior (BCBA task list section C) By Dafne Perez

hello everyone we're just gonna wait a couple minutes to see if we get more people okay you hello everyone we're just gonna give everyone and then another minute so we can get started very um sorry okay again this is this is recorded and it will be placed on YouTube for those of you who want to watch it later but just be wary be aware of that again we are not showing a b c b a b c a b a like test questions try to refrain from using any paint resources or specific client information again if you are sharing things from open resources free resources please give credit words do i'm again we want to be respectful of each other make sure that we have our mics turned off I kind of let you guys decide when to turn on your mics I'm just to create that discussion but please be respectful in my each other we are all adults here so I'd like for all of us to act as such alright so today let's get started we have I guess an agenda prepared for us we're gonna go over how to stand plan for possible and 100 effects of reinforcement how to state a plan for the possible and wanted effects of punishment and sitting and planning for possible and wanted effects of extinction alright so let's start off with the first section seeding and planning for the possible and wanted a flex with reinforcement now it's crazy to think that there are on one of the fuck's up reinforcements considering how much we stress about using the enforcement and making sure that that's kind of it's always use no matter what um other type of procedures we are using however there are obviously some unwanted function reinforcements let's start off with the first one so the first one is that it may kind of promote extrinsically motivated behaviors so does anybody know what that means their behavior to get their reinforcement will affect them doing the target behavior do you have an example of them or anyone for that matter I do table with one of my clients we gave her candy and saying the imitation and listen responding skills she tries to constantly reach for the candy awesome okay right so you might just like encourage an extinct Santa morta behaviors so something that they're not um yeah that's right sorry guys now we have it may encourage other unwanted behaviors meaning that if a client's being reinforced for saying you know give me the toy and they're giving the toy a might encourage other unwanted behaviors for like if the child sees that them pinching a kid I miss giving them it's getting them to toilet faster that might kind of encourage that behavior a lot more because you're getting the reinforcement a lot faster than being then if they asked for it we also have reinforces maybe you come to focus so meaning that like the clients not focus to kind of complete the task that they're more motivated by what they're receiving which can distract you from the desired behavior kind of the example mentioned earlier about the client reaching over for the skittles like some sometimes that could be an example for that some clients could be very motivated by what they're receiving so instead of following through with the test it's just gonna reach over for the skittles because that's what they want to get and I get it distracts them from what they're working for and before they get the skittles another one is that desirable behavior may decrease when they're highly reinforced behavior so if you're teaching a client to ask for permission to use the iPad but they see again that it's a just yell they get the iPad from their parents they might just it'll distract them from the desired behavior so they might not ask for it because yelling is getting them what they want and then the last one is you reinforcement might not produce an immediate effect as punishment this is just kind of punishment sometimes my work a little bit fast or might produce a more immediate effect and reinforcement so that's kind of um and I'm one of the festively enforcement's those make sense I mean this sections a little bit it's kind of straightforward um but yes any questions let me know are any examples that you want getting that list from um I got part of it from Cooper which I can just look for the page number I don't I also have the Cooper like international version so my page numbers are completely different from like the regular version um but from there and then I had notes from when I was studying and I can't remember where I got that information from but part of it was from Cooper okay I'll look for the page number and see if I can take like a picture of it or something yeah that would be helpful okay all right and now we're going over the unwanted effects of punishment so does anybody have any idea of what someone watered effects of punishment could be speed avoidance modeling the punchers behavior The Punisher itself King reinforced so what do you mean by modeling upon his eye behavior like reprimands so the child is constantly hearing parents yell no don't do that to the yells that on lick another peer yeah perfect now you said escaping avoidance behaviors what is an escape behavior I mean this is kind of for everyone to answer not just Ashley what is considered an escape behavior like if you're giving it a giving instruction in school and it's a math assignment and you hate math it's more reinforcing to you to get sort of punished for not doing your work or if you act up and start like I don't know ripping or screaming and the teacher sends you out there looking at it as punishment but you're getting exactly what you want by escaping them in right so like for example me asking a question during the zoom and I'm like hey guys what is this cute behavior and then some of you guys start you know talking to kids or you start opening up Facebook that behavior would be escape behavior because you're kind of avoiding my task or what I'm asking for that's a good example Kristina thank you now we have a woman I think Ashley was kind of listening them do you mind going a little bit more I mean anything or anybody else know anything else you're not providing any replacement behaviors right you're not providing any replacement behaviors why is it an unwanted effect because the number one thing you always want to do is always go with reinforcements first and if you don't provide a replacement and you're always punishing there's really no mo for them to do the right thing really mm-hmm that's right another one could be the individual might become a conditioned Punisher so for example if I think Ashley was mentioning earlier with the reprimand so if your parent the parents constantly like oh don't do that and then they like it's like you know they stop doing what they're supposed to be doing but now every time they see the parent they automatically just like stop like the parent can become a conditioned Punisher or I guess the person that's delivering the Punisher becomes a conditioned Punisher or may become a commissioner um Punisher another one is behavior of contrast can somebody explain behavior of contrast I think this is one that gets confused a little bit with some matching law might do the behavior in one location but not in another does that mean they can do the behavior with one person and not with another person behavior goes on two different schedules of reinforcement or punishment so if it's being reinforced at one house and it's a behavior you want to increase then it might decrease at a different house or like a school setting no what if it's in the same household what mom is reinforcing it one way and that's not reinforcing it so what the behaviors have any more often with one than the other I think it has to be a different setting right the understanding yes but quoting yahoo lives in settings I mean I've seen if mom and dad live separately if you said if mom and dad like dad's not providing the reinforcement that that would be like more of the extinction and differential reinforcement for the SD and of CP LaVon becomes a conditioned publisher yeah I mean I just wanted to make sure that it was I wasn't like you guys are and it's more what situations of settings it's not across people – I haven't seen it across people what I've read but it is different some perfect alright I thought it was one one and when a behaviors being changed in one location or what by one person and then it being reinforced let's say and then in another area or and by another person even being reinforced so the either the behavior increases or decreases depending on what was going on on the other side kind of thing does that make sense yeah no it makes sense um so it could be based on two different people it's just that it's a behavior contrast so it's just if it's being blessing we enforce someone's areas then it increases but in some places it's not being reinforced or by someone else so it decreases it has the opposite effect could it be in the same house with two different people yeah it could be because I think mom is always let's see mom does the program let's say the program is to reinforce the the child I don't know to to get dressed all by himself and sorry my dog is barking and so the child the child the mom is what's always reinforcing the child to get dressed so he's he's starting to get dressed by himself but the dad doesn't believe in it so he keeps helping the kid hold on one second close the door so then the the kid is dressing himself even less because he's not being reinforced by the dad and probably a constant you know a prince way the behavior is exited at that moment one is under the effect of the intervention but the other one isn't angry with all so I I don't think it has it has to be in a different location it just has to be whether one is getting the intervention and the other one in the other situation they're not but could be wrong no that's all right okay so I had given the example for me with with our tools I'm a client that I had where he would kind of there were two different therapists working with him obviously in the same household but so with me he would always um he would try to hug me so I would say like no hugs thank you so because I kind of put that behavior on like an extinction or I told him are you I wouldn't hug he was hugging a lot more with the other therapist so that would be considered behavioral contrast because it's a different situation so that's kind of what it is it's a situation or a setting that necessarily like specifically like individuals it's just a different situation which could involve different individuals in the same environment yeah it's on page 337 and that is right ivory yeah I just read it okay awesome thank you so much for that page number yeah okay that was really good I like that you guys kind of explained that out and we get some clarification with that and perfect all right there's also on emotional and aggressive reactions to aversive stimuli meaning that if a child if you're yelling to a child likes the reprimands like stop doing that the clay might either you know start crying or they might start kicking because they're angry about letting them do that so that might be an unwanted effects of punishment and maybe the punishment might actually be a reinforcer so some kids who love attention and any attention is good attention and you're like and there I don't know let's me kicking and you're like hey stop it they that might be reinforcing to them so we have to be very careful with what type of procedure work followed all right now we have sitting and planning for passo and wanted effects of extinction oh by the way side effects and problems with punishment if you guys want to read more on the other ones it's page 336 into 337 etc oh I'm sorry Cooper yeah so that's its chapter 14 which is titled punishment by stimulus presentation but it's got on all of those if you guys want to go back and look at it thank you so much got it alright so now that we I've got over unwanted effects of punishment and reinforcement how do what are some unwanted effects of extinction first yeah yeah an extinction verse exactly what is an extinction first now Erica put extinction verse and spontaneous recovery can somebody explain the difference between extinction bursts and spontaneous recovery spontaneous recovery happens and after station bursts yes a sanction burst is okay so I'm not getting reinforced immediately for this so I'm going to do it like more and more and more and more and more and then spontaneous recovery is after the extinction first has ended and the behavior has like leveled off Oh a penis recovery is I'm just gonna try this again see if this works yeah does that gonna be directly after extinction very so let's say extinction burst happen right now where the client just started pushing all the buttons and then next session next section be like spontaneous recovery no because there has to be time in between yeah perfect that's exactly it there needs to be time between like extinction has to be in place for a while before spontaneous recovery happens right just like there's time in between the extinction of dinosaurs and then find fossils no yeah no absolutely makes sense it's a good way to remember it for sure right now what is the difference between extinction first and resistance to extinction think it could look similar at first but resistant to extinction is when something has been reinforced intermittently previously so it's much harder to get rid of so I I think resistance expansion is that the to program the behavior is the same right if you are pushing a button you will keep on pushing pushing pushing the button but extension bursts there's a variation in the in the behavior that's my understanding of the thing no that's that's exactly like an example for that would be so for me I asked and let's say I'm gonna say every single time I ask a question Ashley answered so I asked more questions so all of a sudden ash is like I know I hate when Daphne asked questions I'm gonna put it on extinction and she says she stops answering my questions so I asked her I'm like hey how are you and she doesn't answer me what's up like how's it going she's not answering so extinction bursts would be me asking her like a thousand questions that like hey how are you how's it going how's your baby when are you getting married oh it's your fiance level up and kind of make you know make it just the casual of five questions that I use less I'm asking 10 to 15 questions even though she's not providing that reinforcement which is answering my question now it's the resistance to extinction would be me asking just those five questions even though I'm not getting any reinforcement to see if I will get that reinforcement so if I usually ask for quite questions and she's putting me on extinction resistance to extinction would be me asking those five questions whereas extinction birch would be me asking like five times the amount of questions that I used to ask but what the difference between the two that one you go like to an extreme extinction bird you go to the extreme of it whereas X Pontic with resistance to extinction you ask or you behave in that behavior at the same intensity as you used to okay so that's the magnitude that's a difference yes okay oh that makes sense I have a question following up so like well kind of answer some some things cuz I have a couple more questions at the end perfect all right so we're gonna get straight to this we have math question time again two sections a little bit faster there are only three parts of TAS list section Cecil I create a couple questions all right here's the first one and I'm gonna read it for those who are listening to it um and can look at the screen so we have which of the following is not a possible unwanted effects of reinforcement a it may bring other unwanted behavior be reinforcers might become destructive from target behavior see reinforcement might not produce extinction and the other desirable behaviors may decrease when around other highly reinforce behaviors okay I here see so we need to look at the question and which is not unwanted side-effects so we have the double negative so we have to break it down yeah like the double negative is a positive in a room yeah so like right so then how would you answer the question comments put see which of the following is a wanted effect of the enforcement right like you have to break that down double negatives equal to positive so they just cancel each other out well maybe I just wrote it weird right I'm just kind of answering I'm asking as in like we are we just one of our possible unwanted effects of reinforcement which of the following is not part of those unwanted effects reinforcement I might be looking too far into it no I read it no actually I read it the same way and that's that's how I would have answered it – are you yeah so it's like it's either you were trying to find a possible effect or an unwanted effect and it's the not and unwanted so I don't know who said that before but you would be correct by the way that's worded my man well it's okay that's why we're trying to figure out what you're asking so which side of the puzzle and wanted effective reinforcement which one of these does not belong it's impossible you guys are thinking way too much into it I think so – absolutely 100% I think we're paying attention like a delusive unwanted which one is not this is just a test kind of what we went over it's not to manipulate the way you're answering a question I know someone with the username Sarah Sarah she puts C I think Ashley let's see anybody else think otherwise so let's go over a is a and unwanted effect of reinforcement it's really confused by the let's look at it a month what are possible and wanted effects of reinforcement yeah we can probably reinforce inadvertently a it's not the answer B or students become distracted for target behavior yes that is an unwanted effect that is an unwanted effect so be it's not the answer C this reinforcement not produce extinction I haven't heard of that one yeah reinforcement and extinction are this is not something that they're related in so there's reinforcement does not produce extinction and extinction does medicine for this reinforcement so that could be an option and then we have just two other behaviors decrease when around highly reinforce behaviors I'm so yes yes so a B and D are possible unwanted effects of reinforcement the question is asking which it's not a possible unwanted effective reinforcement and the answer would be C does that make sense if you're not overthinking the question or looking at my thank you perfect all right this either way like well we can keep going let's try this one hopefully this one's not too bad which of these is an example of positive punishment a defi needs to post a question on Facebook for every poll she gets to start so now Daphne has been posting without missing a day B definitely likes to sing in the shower every day one day your sister said wow you sound very nice oh she's in now now Daphne does messing in the shower and see a teacher takes away a start from her students when they don't follow directions D none of these represent positive judgment why isn't that a says that's reinforcement or more often what type of reinforcement is it what is another aka for positive reinforcement and surplus okay it's type 1 reinforcement a type of positive reinforcement is it nak for positive reinforcement at blend yeah yeah okay just remember those aks people all right um why is C not it that's exactly right Kelly we don't have any information beside what we get and then D obviously it's not correct because B is correct again for positive punishment it doesn't have to be something like negative like my sister Cooper like well you sound horrible when you're seeing a shower it could be something like positive like she sent you some really nice and that just kind of made me shy and now I don't want to sing so just just keep that in mind so the answer is B all right we have this one which is an example of behavioral contrasts so this one might be a little funky so hopefully it makes sense a the client is touching private part with mom and dad when they tell him not to touch B client engages in touching private area so their panties a dro procedure to reduce a behavior another client of that touching private area C client engages and touching private area so their parent use a general procedure to reduce the behavior now the client is not such a private area around parents but are doing it around the babysitter client engage or D plan engages in touching private area so their parents use a bureau procedure to read this behavior now the client is touching private area more see kind of see but I think he's supposed to be increasing on the other side not just continuing to do it does that make sense so yeah it make sense but looks like it's decreasing on yeah he's not touching his private area around parents now doing it around I mean and now he's doing it around the babysitter so it has yeah you see in one area yep and I seen a competency exactly it it's not a because we don't have any information we just know parents tell them not to touch but we don't know if he's swing it in another environment if he's doing it in a different situation would be I mean it looks like it worked really well but we don't have again we don't have any information about different situations and in the only recency makes sense it because he was doing it other parents and I was doing around the babysitter he wasn't he's not doing it anymore around the parents but now he's his behaviors around the babysitter so each end of it changed into a different situation that's receive this one which of the following is not an unwanted effect of punishment this is very similar to the question above so don't overthink it a emotional reactions to stimuli be punishment be an enforcer see plant ignoring causes avoidance behaviors the individual might become a conditioned Punisher we see here to seize I'll wait for one more answer before I give you any answer I said okay so I've gotten B and C so yes with a is the emotional reactions to stimuli yes so an unwanted affective punishment you might get emotional reactions to stimuli D it's also the individual might become a condition that's no the reason it's I'm sorry guys the reason it's C it's because um there's nothing about planning Noreen causing avoidance behaviors like this is kind of just some extra information enough there's nothing specific about plan ignoring causing avoidance behaviors and punishment can become a reinforcer so this isn't unwanted effective punishment does this one make sense yes okay awesome the answer is C now turn pause extinction removes reinforcement and provides an alternative way of behaving Oh false why is it false just an alternative way of behaving exactly which other does not provide an alternative way of behaving punishment procedure perfect awesome Thank You Erica for putting out in the comments EFT and then we have true or false spontaneous recovery happens after extinction has been in place for some time true exactly true again keyword is after extinction and then in place for some time yep that's the answer all right guys so this is kind of all I have for you guys this time around thank you so much for participating I heard a bunch of new voices this time around and a bunch of people in the comments that I hadn't seen before so I really appreciated did you guys have any questions again I think it was christina was really kind enough to reveal the pages for Cooper so that's kind of settled and yeah again the rest of the week we're gonna go over Section C so feel free to join the other zooms if you are available if not I'll see you guys the next week for our next task list section again policin a piece whether it's grant or all those 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