High Drive Dogs











30 responses to “High Drive Dogs

  1. I was interested to read that you developed play with Mischief. I’m a terrier and I am not very motivated by play or toys (not for long, anyway). I prefer food, but I’ll even ignore that if there is a rabbit or squirrel in the neighbourhood. Any suggestions as to how my owner can make training more fun for me and help me to work hard with focus?!?

    • Terriers are the ADHD children of purebred dogs…lol
      You will need lots of patience and no butterflies! I love them dearly but being ADHD myself it would be an impossible task for me. I am so fascinated that one of my friends did actually put obedience titles on her smooth fox.

  2. Thanks for this post! As someone who just recently obtained a performance mix puppy I found it particularly pertinent and love the topic. I’ve heard it argued that there is no such thing as “drive” in our dogs, only genetic predispositions toward a particular behavior or behaviors. While I’m pretty sure that I agree with that, I do like the term “drivy” and think this definition best fits that description in dogs: “A strong motivating tendency or instinct related to self-preservation, reproduction,or aggression that prompts activity toward a particular end.” Does this fit your description of “drive”? I would say it’s pretty darn close. While I agree that drive and arousal are not the same thing, I think they are inextricably linked. Most performance related or work related activities our dogs engage in are really just softened up rehearsals of kill skills, skills that all of our dogs come hard wired with to one degree or another. Tapping into these innate tendencies is what allows us to participate with our dogs in things such as Agility, Flyball, Nosework, Lure Coursing, etc. A good description of arousal could be “the emotional & physiological response associated with the tendency or instinct related to self-preservation, reproduction, or aggression.” Arousal, as a result of the potential to gain a particular object or activity, can be used to focus a dog in the midst of a highly distracting environment. You can have a dog that is sensitive to changes in its environment and mitigate that sensitivity through the introduction of something that the dog finds extremely motivating or “driven” to engage with. The use of a tug (and the promise of a great game) to hold together a large behavior chain amidst high distraction, as is seen in Agility or Flyball, is a great example. However, you wouldn’t take a dog that has shown some nice interest in a tug, but has a history of being easily distracted, and then throw that dog into a pen full of chickens and expect the dog to engage in a spirited game with you. The motivator must be worked with & molded to not only build the arousal (as with your Mischief) but to balance that arousal with control. I would also argue that most dogs will need the game to be generalized a bit and need it to be worked on in increasingly distracting contexts. Speaking of distractibility, aren’t we always dealing with this when training our dogs? A dog that is over stimulated by its environment or by particular triggers in its environment may have been pushed too far, too fast. If your dog appears to be frantic about something in the environment or is too distracted to focus, I would argue you need to step back and examine your training progression. Dogs that have some fear based reactivity need to be handled with even more care and may never be able to function in certain environments, despite the motivator. In short, know your dog and be their advocate but don’t be afraid to challenge them a little, you might just be surprised by what your dog is capable of if given the right motivation (P+ & R- excluded). As an aside, I love my drivy dogs! I have taken to saying that I don’t want a laid back couch potato ever again (I may eat those words someday). I have a three year old Pitty x and a four month old Border Stack, both of whom are very tug motivated.

  3. Love and hate the term “drive!” I would describe high drive dogs as those for whom reinforcement related to SEEKING behaviors comes naturally/easily so that they are easily stimulated into that circuit and are resistant to being pushed out of it. What makes these dogs hard for some people is being able to control the reinforcement, and having the SEEKING behavior not under control. I have a theory that if we could examine dogs’ brains to look at the SEEKING circuit, and compared the brains of say, show bred rough collies vs sports bred mals, that we would see a difference in the structures and or biochemistry of that circuit, even as neonates, though I don’t have any idea what that difference would be- number of neurons, number of receptors for certain chemicals or decreased ones for others. It is completely about the seeking stuff, not getting or consuming stuff, so tracking and chasing prey, or their equivalents in the various sports, fall in line with that, with dopamine being released, and the potential not only for interest/arousal, but also OCD behaviors related to seeking behaviors- chasing light and shadows, or cars, or excessive sniffing. I suspect it is complex enough to allow for “drive” being the bloodhound following a trail, or the mali chasing down a helper, but not the consumption of food, which actually decreases dopamine levels (unless more is anticipated, which increases it) so “food drive” would be distinctly different.
    FMI google SEEKING (caps not mine) circuit and Panksepp

  4. Laura and Amadeus

    As an “average owner”, not a trainer, I would guess that I have a dog with fairly high drive. He loves to work for me in training, goes after our NoseWork seeks like it’s a job (he saves his “proud” for when we’re leaving the room) and will focus so intently on a ball that the whole rest of the dog park could blow up before he noticed. It has surprised me that as he becomes more focused on NoseWork that he actually moved LESS frantically, and has started to stare intently instead of dance when he wants a ball thrown (the shepherd “move, hooved-thing, move” stare). While he enjoyed working as a puppy and would calm down and focus when we were working, this has become much more pronounced with age (now 15 mo) – does drive typically “develop” like this?

  5. We share the same thoughts about drive and arousal!
    I work (professionally) with dogs that get overexcited in training and/ or competition.
    Still it’s very hard to convince the handlers in the highest levels of competition that their dogs would be more focused and able to perform better if they learned to control themselves and not bark en scream for half an hour before they had to perform. They think the dog is showing it’s drive, that he want to perform, while in fact the dog is in overdrive and out of control.
    They still think that that frantic behavior leads to the best results on the course. And that, if they would teach the dog some self-control, the dog will be slower on the course.
    Hopefully we can change this mentality step by step and by that create happier dog and happier handlers!

    • I agree. Plus listening to people’s dogs scream is highly obnoxious especially given that I’m used to my quiet respectable boy! I used to do schutzhund briefly when my boy (a doberman) was still a pup. It did not last long simply due to my schedule but I still like to keep up with the sport and watch videos of others competing. I have noticed a lot of screaming coming from the American pitbull terriers to the point I’ve started wondering if it’s a breed trait. I absolutely adore the breed and my father has one that doesn’t scream but I also had a room – mate with one that did anytime it got excited. Then again I’ve also noticed it in other breeds at other sports (I’ve dabbled a bit) and the owner’s encourage it. I try not to be a bummer but it really frys my nerves and puts me on edge
      -_-. And I’m not saying that to sound uppity; it really does send my blood pressure soaring and hearing constant squealing, whining and screaming is highly stressful to me for some reason. My boy is quiet and focused until I encourage him to bark. We have just started in barnhunt after quitting bikejouring (vet’s orders – my boy is 8 now and starting to slow down) and he is a natural! I’m incredibly thankful that so far I have not come across any ‘screamers’ in this sport! I hope i’m not jinxing myself!

    • The intense barking behavior looks an awful lot like frustration to me, though some dogs (and breeds) are obviously more predisposed to doing it than others. My own tend to bark at me only when I’ve screwed up my handling so badly they don’t know what I want or if I’m asking them to do something they don’t want to do (one will sometimes bark at me if she misses a contact and I make her go back to do it), but some dogs seem to bark as they run because they’re impatient to do the next thing on course.

      Many of these dogs have good handlers who also have dogs who don’t bark like that, so I’m not sure how they could fix the ones who do. I’d find it very annoying to work with a dog that missed half my verbal cues because he was screaming so loudly.

  6. Great post! I do think people confuse arousal with drive. Personally, I think alot of sports dog folks overdo behaviors which elicit arousal (like tugging), or, if their dogs don’t like tugging, they try to force it on them, hoping to build drive. It’s certainly possible – and also fun- to have a successful performance dog without overarousing the dog to such a state that the dog bites, becomes frantic, etc. There are some performance people who don’t mind being bitten in some of these over-arousal situations, but I personally don’t like it- ever. Barking and excessive whining is sometimes mistaken for drive, but with my dogs, it usually is an expression of frustration and a clue that I haven’t completed the training process and have an animal that doesn’t quite know what to do. I also don’t think it is healthy for dogs to be continually placed in these states of over-arousal.

  7. Pingback: Happy Birthday to Laev! and Musings on Arousal & Stress Relief - CIA's Agent Files

  8. The term “drive” is used by a variety of people to describe a variety of actions and behaviors. Some trainers create entire seminars and books around “creating drive” in dogs. Personally, I don’t use the term to describe any behavior in a dog. I prefer to be a lot more specific and use terms like “instinct” for things like hunting and chasing. Or I might use a term like “work ethic” for tracking or weight pull or rally or obedience.

    I think the term “building drive” is a catch phrase that is used to sell books and seminars. I have seen one person use that in his/her seminars when this person already has a long-time, designated “working breed” and then say they are “building drive” in their dogs. Well, who couldn’t get a designated working breed to do something?

  9. You nailed it!
    Great article.
    : )

  10. Great article, but the ‘how do we bring the frantic’ under control is missing.

  11. Pingback: High Drive Dogs - Golden Retrievers : Golden Retriever Dog Forums

  12. I have a whippet that excelled at lure coursing. Unlike others that come to the line in a big barking frenzy he walks up to the line very calm and focused on the task at hand. Everyone thought that he would never be a great courser because of his calm demeanor. He was number one in the country two years in a row. Now that is high drive!! Love my boy.

  13. I would add one more variable to that – stress. What a lot of people call drive, is quite possibly stress. A dog who screams their way around an agility course, seems unable to focus on the job at hand, may well be highly stressed. I have seen these same dogs walking to the start line, frantically looking around them, lip licking and head down sniffing the ground. That is not a dog in drive ready to focus on the task.

  14. Pingback: New here and some questions - Doberman Forum : Doberman Breed Dog Forums

  15. Excellent article. As a SAR handler for 18 years, I’ve explained this to many handlers over the years. Dogs with high arousal are difficult to handle for SAR work. and identifying dogs with higher arousal is extremely important for training purposes…we have to know which dogs to work calmly and quietly before releasing them to search (and get their reward from the “victim”) and which ones we can drive over the top prior to release. Thanks for a clear description. :)

  16. Excellent article! It makes me crazy seeing all these out of control dogs, being encouraged to be frantic, because owners “think” it’s drive.

  17. Overstimulated, frantic dogs are not lacking in drive but cannot focus their drive because they lack self control. Self control is not the same as obedience or having the handler control behavior. Handler controlled behavior will not work when the dog must work at a distance or indepedently. The dog must develop self control through maturity and through the handler facilitating and teaching it. The dog can only develop it by being permitted to make mistakes that will result in consequences. The dog breaks a stay because he wants to get to you. If you just put him back in the same place there has been no real consequence. However, if he breaks a stay and you put him five feet further backfrom the original spot, he has now had a consequence and realizes that breaking the stay will actually get him further from where he wants to be. Now he has made a choice and it didn’t get him anything but actually took more away. After a few breaks and getting a bigger penalty each time, he learns more self control.

  18. Amazing article! So spot on!!!

  19. Excellent! I hope this reaches a wide audience.

  20. Oh YES! I’ve been singing this same song for years. Thanks for writing so eloquently about it.

  21. Thank you

  22. Totally agree. I call a dog easily distracted & excitable “hectic energy” often misinterpreted as drive. I live with an extremely high drive dog who lounges around the house all day until it’s time to work or go out and do something, then he has 110% commitment and will not stop unless you tell him it’s time to. Great commitment with the task at hand regardless of people, other dogs or our horses are around.

  23. Thoroughly enjoyed the article and comments

  24. Please check out why so many ethologists, psychologists, behaviorists just don’t find “drive” to be relevant. So many better and more importantly, more accurate explanations for behavior:


  25. I like your clarity in distinguishing the two. I have a fairly new dog for whom I definitely use the term “high drive” when focusing on certain things: Catching that lizard. Getting someone to play with him and his Flatball. In those cases, his energy never flags and it takes a superhuman effort to distract him. I have also used the term “overstimulated” for him, which is in just about any newer situation or when random dogs appear on the horizon (say, while we’re walking in the park). Although some of the appearance is the same–takes superhuman effort to distract him–I have always recognized the difference in him. In the first case–high drive–he is focused and not frantic. In the second case — overstimulated–he is frantic and barely aware of who or what is around him other than the thousands of things that are setting off synapses in his brain. I’m glad that I’m not imagining the difference. ;-)

  26. Pingback: ingenieurs marocains

Leave a Reply to Susan Cancel reply


WordPress.com Logo


Google photo


Twitter picture


Facebook photo


Connecting to %s