Constitutional Emergency

Trey Gowdy Twists Natural Born Citizen Qualification to Support Marco Rubio.....By Tim Brown

We can like Rubio and Cruz, and they may serve in any position in the US government "except the office of president of the United States"



Evan Mulch, who is a constituent of Gowdy's, confronted the congressman concerning and first asked if he had read the 28 pages of the 9/11 report that several congressmen are attemp.... Gowdy admitted that he had not read them.

However, it was the follow-up question that generated the ignorance and heat. Mulch asked Gowdy, "When Marco Rubio said that his parents were born in another country, that doesn't make him a natural born citizen, according to the Constitution. What would you say to that?"

"That issue has already been litigated," said Gowdy.

Gowdy then went on to totally distort the idea of what was put to him and asked if John McCain was ineligible, something that has not been a part of being a natural born citizen. In case you miss the dodge there, Rubio's parents were not citizens when he was born in the States. Of course, Rubio is an American citizen, but fails to meet the qualifications that even the founders recognized had to be present to be a natural born citizen.

When Gowdy was asked, "So, we don't need a natural born citizen to be president?"

"It depends on what you mean by that?" he responded.

It depends on what you mean? My goodness, the ignorance is glaring and I will demonstrate just how much shortly, but Gowdy continued to demonstrate his ignorance of the natural born citizen issue.

When Mulch said that we know what the founders meant by it, Gowdy retorted, "No you don't!"

But Mr. Gowdy, we most certainly do know! In fact, we have something called the 1790 Naturalization Act, which clearly defines who a natural born citizen is. And no, it is not just a person born on American soil as the Constitution distinguishes between natural born and "a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution." If all that was required was to be a "citizen," then why the distinction? It was because of what I'm about to show you.

As Publius Huldah has pointed out, the framers were quite familiar with Vattel's Law of Nations. As such, they understood what it meant to be "natural born," though Vattel used the term subject, not citizen. While many have tried to blow off Congress' use of the Law of Nations, Benjamin Franklin wrote a letter to Charles Dumas on December 9, 1775 to thank him for sending three copies of the book and specifically wrote, "… I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of your edition of Vattel. It came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising state make it necessary frequently to consult the law of nations. Accordingly that copy, which I kept, (after depositing one in our own public library here, and sending the other to the College of Massachusetts Bay, as you directed,) has been continually in the hands of the members of our Congress, now sitting, who are much pleased with your notes and preface, and have entertained a high and just esteem for their author…" (2nd para) [boldface added]

So, Congress most definitely was aware of the volume, had high and just esteem for Vattel and continually had it in their hands. Keep in mind that this was all before the Constitution was written in 1787.

In fact, Publius Huldah points out that in the 1916 edition of the Law of Nations published by the Carnegie Endowment, Albert de Lapradelle wrote an introduction which stated that the fathers of independence, "were in accord with the ideas of Vattel," that the found in Vattel "all their maxims of political liberty" and,

"From 1776 to 1783, the more the United States progressed, the greater became Vattel's influence. In 1780 his Law of Nations was a classic, a text book in the universities."

While our founders were originally subjects of Britain, once they won the war for independence, they became citizens, and Vattel was the one who offered that understanding they came to with regard to natural born citizen. Publius Huldah has previously pointed out what the gist of what Vattel penned in Law of Nations, Book I, Ch. XIX, at §§ 212-217, is this:





So, the founders knew what it meant and we know they knew what it meant. Gowdy is just out to lunch here or is being dishonest. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but there is no excuse for a man in his position to not know this.

Furthermore, the 1790 Naturalization Act, which was written within two years of the Constitution, so there is no doubt that these men had the same definition of those who penned the Constitution, reads:


Notice that even in this Act, there is a distinction between "citizens," those who are "naturalized" and "natural born citizens." Notice they also understood that men like John McCain (though he is a traitor to his country) would be a natural born citizen, even if he were born outside US soil in Panama. Why? Because his parents were both citizens! There is no doubt that we can know exactly what the Framers had in mind when they wrote "natural born citizen."

Finally, you'll notice Trey Gowdy said, "You're either going to follow the law of the land or you're not."

Exactly right, Mr. Gowdy, but it seems you are so ignorant of what the Constitution means by Natural Born Citizen that you are unable to follow the law, or you are simply willfully not following it, but propping up nothing but anchor babies from all over. After all, if all that is required to be president is for one to be a citizen, every anchor baby ever born should fit Gowdy's sentiments, right?

Rubio's parents were born in Cuba and were not naturalized till after he was born in the States, making him a citizen, but not a natural born citizen (remember the language distinguishing between those two in the Constitution. Cruz's father was born in Cuba and his mother was a US citizen. Remember, that one must be born of parents (plural) who are citizens, but more specifically the father must be a citizen. Cruz held dual citizenship in Canada and the united States until he wanted to throw his hat in the ring for a presidential run.

But notice the other problem here. We are told we are a nation of immigrants. No, we are not. I'm not. My family decades ago may have been, but my parents were citizens, their parents were citizens and I'm a citizen. Furthermore we are natural born citizens. Also, one woman turns and ignorantly claims, "You realize we're all not natural born citizens." Talk about why we are in the place we are at!


Indeed, America is being destroyed due to the lack of knowledge of the people. As a final thought, keep in mind that the Bible even teaches that a foreigner should not rule over the people, emphasizing the natural born status.



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Regretfully, it appears the only viable solution IS Revolution but there are damn few willing to take that course.

New Hampshire Constitution: The doctrine of non-resistance against arbitrary power and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.

"And if a minister shall usurp the supreme and absolute government of America, and set up his instructions as laws in the colonies, and their Governors shall be so weak or so wicked, as for the sake of keeping their places, to be made the instruments in putting them in execution, who will presume to say that the people have not a right or that it is not their indispensible duty to God and their Country, by all rational means in their power to resist them."  - Samuel Adams

I think its a moot point; to try to hold Rubio and Cruz to the standard that has been obliterated by Obama. Both Cruz and Rubio were born here, to parents that came here and made a great life for themselves, assimilated into our society and are both good Christians. This is in stark contrast to the situation with Obama. Does this slice a small corner off the original intent of the framers ? probably a little. Lets be carefull how we pick our battles, this one doesn't seem to me to be wroth a fight, I would rather spend my time infroming the populous about how much under the table money our senators and representitves are recieving to pass several recent bills. Rand Paul and Ted Cruz did not take any of this money !

Compromise, the last bastion of tyrants and traitors, and that is what you have advocated Chris - C-O-M-P-R-O-M-I-S-E.

All losers say that - for only one will eventually win. 

Compromising Constitutional principles is NOT acceptable, PERIOD. That's why we got where we are today. Let Chris answer for him self. Have you any good ideas? Besides posting old indian proverbs?

Cruz is a different case than Rubio, Cruz's Mother was a U.S. Citizen. I'm not siding with Trey G. I'm saying pick your battles, it won't make one bit of difference if Hilliary gets  elected. Washington only had 15-20% of the population supporting him. And using my name in your response is not what this is all about. 

Sorry Chris, but it's still compromising a major Constitutional principle that many brave Americans died to protect. I had ancestors throughout our history that made that sacrifice, even in some of our darkest days, and I reject compromise on a Constitutionally ineligible candidate. Haven't we suffered enough under this one, with no honest/ moral/ constitutional, etc. legal recourse?

The slippery slope of unrighteous behavior has given us abortion, partial birth abortion, dissecting babies as if they are frogs, selling the parts for profit, homosexual as normal behavior, same sex marriage, on and on.

The Constitution is our bedrock, it has been abused and continuing will never make it right...there comes a point when we compromise no more.  No matter what the cost.

Rubio is the closest case that will be followed by some immigrant getting off the boat and filing to run as president of the United States if Rubio is not stopped.  Marco Rubio was born in Miami, FL, which makes him a citizen for sure.  He was born in 1971, his parents were Cuban and were not naturalized until 1975...Rubio was born a citizen of the U.S. and a citizen of Cuba.  He is a 14th Amendment citizen but not an Article II "natural born citizen" required to seek the office of president of the United States...his parents were not citizens of the U.S. at the time of Senator Rubio's birth.......

Lee.... Trump is saying what the majority of people are thinking I believe. You push him he pushes back. He can afford to be egotistical and sarcastic. He dosent care what the establishment thinks and he not for business as usual like the rest of the GOP is. Remember they have all given Obama everything he's asked for. Personally I'd rather have an outspoken brash successful business man who's an ass kicker and an earth shaker than all the rest of those "go-alongs" any day... But hey that's just me...



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