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[–]Oddmic146 630 points631 points  (24 children)

Lmao guys, could you imagine Kylo Ren's last line in Star Wars be "wilhelm scream"

[–]Harbournessrage 151 points152 points  (0 children)

I would actually laugh aloud if this will happen.

[–]obiwade 81 points82 points  (3 children)

TBH, if the movie is this much of a letdown, maybe we’ll Atleast get a good laugh!

[–]starcoder 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Hoping they’ll at least give us some good Sidious meme material

[–]Aeceus 139 points140 points  (16 children)

So the chosen one doesn't actually bring balance to the force? After initially liking what they were doing, now I think this is just pure garbage.

[–]ThrownAwayRavens 624 points625 points  (48 children)

Adam Driver seemed pretty excited about the direction of his character just for Ben to be thrown off a cliff.

[–]lbdorrito 266 points267 points  (15 children)

At this point, it seems falling into an abyss to your death in the star wars universe just means you will come back even stronger.

[–]magicalchickens 156 points157 points  (5 children)

There is also seems to be a lack of him promoting the movie in general. I know he is busy but all the merch releases are with him in a helmet as well. Can we get some more Adam Driver in here please.

[–]DynamiteForestGuy80 70 points71 points  (0 children)

Adam has always avoided too much exposure during the press tours; he doesn’t like it and tries to keep himself busy. It’s usually Oscar Isaac, Boyega, Daisy and others doing the press tours.

[–]littlestarfighter 76 points77 points  (3 children)

He’s pretty busy right now. He’s shooting a movie.

[–]purplewave21 128 points129 points  (10 children)

Rey couldn’t redeem her own grandfather?


[–]bba_xx 82 points83 points  (7 children)

It's weird how Rey has to go to Palpatine alone, but then can't give into her anger and kill him. What else was she supposed to do, play tiddlywinks with him?

[–]RichnjCole 32 points33 points  (1 child)

And Jedi killed all the time. It's not always done out of anger. Trying to kill Palpatine is part of Anakin going back to the light.

Luke refused to kill Vader because he saw good in him still. Palpatine is straight up evil. Like went to save his father. Is Rey gong to try to save her grandfather?

It feels like it's meant to be comparable to RotJ and Luke, but it's not.

[–]Whitedogcharlie 648 points649 points  (88 children)

So you’re saying force ghost Leia and Luke watch Ben get pushed into the abyss but help out Rey? K.

[–]P00nz0r3d 347 points348 points  (13 children)

And she appears AFTER Ben is presumably killed? Meaning he never gets that closure with his mother?

I'm hating this more and more the more i think about it more deeply


And it discounts Luke’s Endor conversation with Leia before he goes and confronts Vader and the Emperor.

[–]Demos_Tex 433 points434 points  (59 children)

If this leak is real, remember that the story is written by the same guy who thought it'd be better for Leia to mourn Han's death by hugging someone she's never met instead of Chewie.

[–]aSleepyperson 199 points200 points  (23 children)

I was so jaded watching that I didn't even realize, holy shit. Why are they close at all anyways? They hugged like they were war veterans reuniting years later.

[–]Anakin_Sandwalker 50 points51 points  (9 children)

Clearly Leia must have some problem with Chewie, first she doesn't give him a medal, then no hug. What else has Chewie missed out on?

[–]Greeneya33 209 points210 points  (55 children)

Still nothing on Anakin. And I really hoped that C3PO will have its all memories restored. The ones from the prequels also. I do not see prequels connections at all in these leaks and I 'am very sad and disappointed.

[–]Rajjahrw 133 points134 points  (24 children)

I think at this point the only "Prequel" connection we are going to get is Palpatine. Which only barely counts. Thats like saying Yoda in TLJ was a Prequel cameo.

That and the reference to clones in TFA and Luke saying the phrase Darth Sidious in TLJ. Besides that it looks like the Sequels could exist in a continuity where the prequels don't exist.

[–]dcruz2 70 points71 points  (4 children)

The biggest blue balls of this trilogy, for me, is when Rose and Finn are looking out onto the race track on Canto Bight, with a loud rumbling around the corner, and then ... not podracing.

[–]PolythenePaul 571 points572 points  (102 children)

The worst part of all of this is the way it ruins Palpatine, who's rise and fall had been so expertly crafted over the previous two trilogies. A flash-in-the-pan comeback with no explanation only to be defeated by his granddaughter (?) and ghost Luke and Leia. No thanks.

[–]BlueChip212 71 points72 points  (6 children)

And kinda replay of the 3rd act of Jedi. Sounds awful if you ask me.

[–]Randothor 28 points29 points  (3 children)

Right? 1-6 is his rise to power and he got the perfect death/comeuppance. Why mess with it and undo yet another OT victory?

[–]AquilaSPQR 132 points133 points  (13 children)

Exactly. It's like they had no idea what to write so they went with "ok, let's bring back Palpatine, it'll please the fans".

And " Darth Sideous, the last of the Sith Lords, is finally dead." - yeah, we already thought so. About 36 years ago. Who knows what we'll see in Star Wars XXI - "Return of the return of the Palpatine".

Bringing Palpatine back is bad on two levels - it's cheap, and it spits in Luke and Vader's faces. All their sacrifice, all their heroism, all that powerful scene from the RotJ... FOR NOTHING. For JJ Abrams to blatantly copy it for $$$. Lazy and disgusting.

[–]-jake-skywalker- 74 points75 points  (4 children)


no ones ever really gone

[–]MacGuffinGuy 32 points33 points  (3 children)

That’s the problem though with bringing him back! Without Palpatine being dragged to force hell or something, why should we ever believe he’s really dead? He’s been hit with lightning before and his death in 6 was pretty definitive

[–]Solid_Rice 47 points48 points  (4 children)

Not only that, they didn't set it up in the previous two films. I'd be more willing to buy Palps coming back if they hinted he was still alive in the other two

[–]_Ardhan_ 48 points49 points  (3 children)

And what, actually plan their trilogy before making it? Don't be crazy. It's not like they spent billions of dollars on a franchise with a fervent and hyped fan base ready to enjoy the full force of creative freedom that one of the world's largest entertainment providers has at their beck and call and would surely employ to lay a solid foundation for decades of free, easy money... Right?

[–]highsenberg420 310 points311 points  (53 children)

Like many people, Ben's fate is my biggest hang up. Leia and Luke don't show up to save Ben, their son/nephew but they show up like 30 seconds later to save Rey. How does that even work?

[–]bendemption_for_Rey 70 points71 points  (16 children)

I agree, if they can have Leia showing up to fight Palpatine, they could show her 30 seconds before to avoid Palpatine kills HER son.

[–]Gontron1 155 points156 points  (12 children)

Taking out the command ship renders the rest of the fleet unable to navigate

Are you fucking serious? Can you seriously make the FO more incompetent than they were in TLJ?

[–]Mitch-El54 78 points79 points  (4 children)

Right lmao. How convenient and fortunate for the Resistance that the FO are dumbasses.

[–]Gontron1 67 points68 points  (1 child)

“Target their base, they’re escaping”

“Sir, their escape ship is in orbit and in rang-“

“No, fire on the base!”

[–]HosterBlackwood 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Does the Resistance even have a fleet ? I tought what remained of them was on the Falcon in TLJ?

[–]Kirbunny431 209 points210 points  (29 children)

I vastly, vastly preferred the rumors about Palpatine possessing Matt Smith and then Ben. That supposed version of the movie did more with the lore and faced Rey and Ben with some interesting conflicts. The story presented in these leaks, however, sounds like it was written by a complete hack.

[–]royishere 81 points82 points  (2 children)

sounds like it was written by a complete hack

"Hi, I'm JJ Abrams"

[–]arcantiger 67 points68 points  (2 children)

same. It gave both Rey and Kylo something to do. But this is awful. They are passive and FG do the job.

[–]OldString 28 points29 points  (2 children)

The best possible outcome would be for these leaks to go the same way and be false.

[–]kdavenp4488 419 points420 points  (13 children)

Thanks, I hate it

[–]tdc1atlanta 66 points67 points  (5 children)

Yeah....Luke's X-Wing was functional and he didn't use it. This is really gonna sit well with the TLJ haters(this includes myself).

[–]Quint89 187 points188 points  (20 children)

That is a LOT happening in one film.

[–]reslumina 84 points85 points  (5 children)

Decidedly too much. Even if they cut it down by half for the final release. This movie is going to be frenetic and convoluted.

[–]thxpk 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Which makes one wonder if the leaks are from a whole bunch of story treatments(even Trevorrows) all mashed together, instead of being a true reflection of what the movie will be.

[–]Braktastic 331 points332 points  (15 children)

Obviously final judgement will be withheld until I've seen the film, but it’s hard to get too jazzed about what I’ve read due to:

  1. Too many MacGuffins
  2. Too many fetch quests
  3. Too many fake out character deaths
  4. Another single-point-of-failure in the Sith/Imperial/First Order war machine.

[–]eMeM_ 104 points105 points  (6 children)


The best thing is that the First Order already has the upper hand, and this whole Sheev + red stormtroopers + a fleet of Death Stars is just some additional shit that they don't really need. Based on TLJ the First Order has basically won the war in two days, and all the books/shows/games/comics seem to support the idea of the FO being massive and powerful and unstoppable. I don't understand how preventing Palpatine from linking up with the rest of the bad guys somehow reverts the Galaxy back to before the sequel trilogy disaster.

[–]MacGuffinGuy 28 points29 points  (4 children)

Exactly. Was kinda hoping this movie would end with a declaration of surrender or some peace treaty being signed. He does say that he’s spotty on the details of some parts though so there’s room for maybe the FO fleet being destroyed in the final fight.

I mean realistically they only killed the emperor, Vader and Death Star in 6. The empire should have still had a MASSIVE military advantage if not for operation cinder

[–]lacedaisy 179 points180 points  (13 children)

Adam Driver was excited about playing Kylo because they're working towards 'something in particular' with him.

I think I'd have picked a different favourite character if I'd known that "something in particular" meant being used as a Renergizer battery and then yeeted into an abyss...

[–]maatttthheew 211 points212 points  (64 children)

No anakin /:

[–]MisterBobAFeet 193 points194 points  (29 children)

Or Obi-wan. Why did he even speak to Rey in TFA if he wasn't going to in any of these movies?

[–]tinyturtletricycle 156 points157 points  (6 children)

Hmm it’s almost like nobody planned this out from the beginning. Almost like they’ve been creating everything slapdash as they go along...

[–]padraic72 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Nobody who created such a coherent TV series as Lost would do such a thing!

[–]Macman521 29 points30 points  (1 child)

I don’t believe this entire leak. Anakin not being in this film is a massive mistake.

[–]NotStupid132 42 points43 points  (15 children)

He probably shows up at the end with the other force ghosts.

[–]TrogdortheBanninator 125 points126 points  (0 children)

Grandson turns to the Dark Side: I sleep

Darth Sidious returns: I sleep

Grandson gets blasted into a bottomless pit: I sleep

Crisis averted, time to party: REAL SHIT

[–]vonnillips 49 points50 points  (3 children)

Yeah I think fucking everyone from the saga will be in that shot and they’re just doing a real bang up job of keeping at least that much under wraps

[–]kibasennin 14 points15 points  (0 children)

No anakin

i was about to type exactly this :(

[–]redditname2003 210 points211 points  (21 children)

It sounds like ROTJ, only without the emotional satisfaction of watching Vader destroy the Emperor (Kylo just falls down a pit?)

[–]themanoftin 144 points145 points  (9 children)

You mean like how this whole trilogy has been an exercise in pointlessness and getting people excited over familiar imagery without any of the original emotional weight and siphoning nostalgia to get your hopes up for a good story before promptly crushing it?

[–]David-89 156 points157 points  (7 children)

So, Leia and Luke will help Rey to kill Palpatine, but not Anakin. Yeah, who cares about the Chosen One and the central figure of Star Wars (as Lucas himself said). And of course the saga ends with all the Skywalkers dead and Rey Palpatine being the only Jedi left.

[–]kibasennin 69 points70 points  (4 children)


Fucking tell me about it. He should be there with Luke and Leia.

[–]TERRAxFORMER 534 points535 points  (206 children)

The idea of Ben getting chucked off a cliff and then, at least not explicitly here, not even showing up as a force ghost at the end seems sort of off. Is he one of those familiar forms, and you just didn’t mention it?

[–]magicalchickens 347 points348 points  (13 children)

Considering they just released a comic showing him being thrown off a cliff and using the Force to save himself. It would make no sense for him to die.

[–]hooserhieser 367 points368 points  (115 children)

yeah ben dying like this makes zero sense to me

[–]Angelmv86 173 points174 points  (46 children)

A lot of things don’t make sense to me about this. This movie so far seems fan servicy enough to get people to go, but has a story that is kind of weak...

I hope it turns out better than this TBH...

[–]GepMalakai 145 points146 points  (5 children)


So, a J.J. Abrams movie?

[–]Sith81 24 points25 points  (3 children)

It definitely feels like a remake of ROTJ.

And no Anakin...?

[–]iaswob 143 points144 points  (17 children)

Kylo surviving is one of the easiest things you could add in reshoots tbh, all you need is a force bond or one scene with him and Rey in the throne room or on Tattoine, and boom!

[–]tarmtont 48 points49 points  (2 children)


Finally. Man I was so stressed out at the end of ROTJ. I'll be glad to get some closure.

[–]ttronstad 179 points180 points  (11 children)

So you mean to tell me, the emperor is back not just as a force ghost, but in his own body, regains his power, and Anakin is not involved in his destruction?! I understand this trilogy is about the new characters but not to even have him show up with Luke and Leia at the end is complete bullshit. This new trilogy ruins Anakins arc and legacy.

[–]lightsaberintheface 54 points55 points  (1 child)

Agreed. If this is true I will be in shock that they found like the one possible way to fuck the whole overlying arc in the pt and ot. Wow that’s scary.

[–]Shirubaa 99 points100 points  (6 children)

They're really going to end a fifth of the six most recent movies with the Binary Sunset music, aren't they?

[–]ThrownAwayRavens 305 points306 points  (19 children)

Lmao let's just redeem Ben and then immediately chuck him down a pit.

What a load of bullshit

[–]ggctuk 161 points162 points  (22 children)

Perhaps I'm missing something here, but... what of the First Order? Was it wholly absorbed into what I'm calling the Second Galactic Empire?

Also, is Snoke ever touched upon in the film, or is he just treated as if he wasn't even anything more than what we got? And does Palpatine explain his survival, since it seems it's actually him?

[–]PeterP211 104 points105 points  (9 children)

I’m sure that because big battles are largely visual, our guy here just glossed over it but regardless, that’s another huge problem with this series. The smallness, the insularity of it all.

One of the minor critiques I had of the OT (and I’m an old school fan, not some TVTropes style nitpicker) was that after the DS blows up, we get a quick forest celebration with like our main characters, a couple Rebel extras, and ewoks, then cut to credits. Obviously, I understood that in 1983, unless you were pulling in tons of extras and building huge sets, it wasn’t easy to show the vastness of the galactic Civil war.

The PT showed that you COULD do that with CGI. And Lucas obviously expanded his galaxy's world-building with it.

But in this series, we don’t even see any Republic or First Order worlds outside of a quick shot of some people at a party on a balcony before the Starkiller laser blows them up. He’ll, there’s not even references made to the Republic secondhand, e.g., Leia mentioning discussions with/orders from Republic leadership. As far as we can tell, apart from the random, isolated, dirt water towns we see on a couple of occasions, the entire conflict is between factions that fly around on a few big ships. Hell, the First Order managed to take over an entire galaxy in a day or two (which is silly) and then the next day reduced the Resistance to about 15-20 people. Makes me wonder why they even would care about wiping out those last 15-20 people. Disney had all these tools and $$$$ at their disposal and they decide to build a galaxy that looks like 100 people live in it.

[–]TibannaMiner 16 points17 points  (0 children)


110%. It really sucks the gravity and consequence out of any action that happens in the movies. And it's incredibly unrealistic as well. This is a GALACTIC story here, but that seems to hard/complicated for Disney to both with, so they boil it down to a few million FO guys and ~1000 Resistance fighters.

It's telling when Rogue One seems 10x larger, more developed, & more adventurous than an entire trilogy.


Yep. Prequels had a lot of issues, but Lucas put his world-building skills and drive to push the boundaries of film on display. And that's why it's still fun to watch them and spot things you hadn't previously.


It's what happens when a huge corporate machine takes a rich and engaging universe and plays it ultra-safe. Distilling it into small, bland parts that are easily digestible, but just as easily forgettable.

I can only dream of them wising up, getting a dedicated creative team to plan out decades of story, and hiring a brilliant director like Denis Villeneuve to execute it. If only...

[–]Xeta1 29 points30 points  (6 children)

I get the sense that it was absorbed by Sheev’s navy, yeah. Who knows what happens to the other First Order forces in the known galaxy though. Warlords again?

[–]purplewave21 153 points154 points  (29 children)

So how exactly did anakin restore balance with palpatine being back? And now Rey essentially does the same thing but for real this time? This feels like a disservice to OT and PT. I could have bought into Anakin ushering in an era of balance with the whole force dyad thing, but this new info doesn’t support that line of thought.

[–]JadeRaptor72 93 points94 points  (11 children)

Plus, what's to stop it from happening again? Who says Palpatine is really dead this time? Literally everyone knew the Emperor died in ROTJ until Lucasfilm decided to override that.

What's to stop them from doing it again?

[–]bba_xx 65 points66 points  (9 children)

Palpatine has to be dead because he didn't fall into the pit. But Ben Solo did, and the pain of falling into the pit made him turn back to the dark side. 30 years later the Second Order welcomes back their long-lost Supreme Leader and they go blow up the New New Republic.

[–]JadeRaptor72 54 points55 points  (7 children)

And then we start all over again with Episode X and Jedi Master Rey has abandoned the galaxy.


[–]ChildofValhalla 25 points26 points  (4 children)

Rey stands on an island cliff, fully bearded and alone.

[–]acbagel 30 points31 points  (8 children)

Yeah there better be some missing piece of info about how Anakin fits into this. If all of this is true then the story of the Chosen One is totally ruined and makes no sense. The end of RotJ will never be the same, it will lose so much impact.

[–]ExcellentDish80 148 points149 points  (42 children)

And what is the moral of this story?

[–]youraveragejoseph 49 points50 points  (1 child)

Stay home. That's the moral of the story now thanks to Rian and JJ.

Anakin & Luke should have never left Tatooine. Because they did, billions of people died.

[–]DOTFD-24hrsRemain 239 points240 points  (15 children)

...George Lucas should never have sold the franchise.

[–]graffix13 172 points173 points  (50 children)

Now that we have all Acts, here are my main problems (in order):

  1. Palpatine alive in the flesh. How? This is something you can't just gloss over. It needs a good explanation.

  2. Luke and Leia as force ghosts helping Rey defeat Palpatine. This is so cringey. Obi Wan said that he would not be able to help Luke, so why are L&L able to help Rey? Changing pre-existing canon (i.e. retcon) for story purposes is lazy and lame.

  3. Rey being a Palpatine. I like it in the sense it explains why she is so powerful. But then when I think about the specifics, I am disgusted. Palps was supposed to be like Satan incarnate. Satan has no interest in procreation to form 'family bonds'. Are you kidding me? Hoping something was lost in the translation and she's a clone or creation of his.

This is it. It's the last Skywalker movie. They need to stick the landing with this one. And if these leaks are true...this ain't it.

[–]JadeRaptor72 75 points76 points  (34 children)

I honestly have no idea how Palps survived A.) the fall and B.) the friggin explosion of the Death Star 10 minutes later.

I have seen people try to defend it and try to come up with reasoning, but no, just no. It does not make sense.

[–]Furinkazan616 44 points45 points  (7 children)

If Palpatine survives that no way is Windu dead.

[–]JadeRaptor72 48 points49 points  (3 children)

Heck, if Palpatine survives, anyone that has been killed offscreen is fair game for a return.

After all...

no one's ever really gone...

[–]dc946002 313 points314 points  (81 children)

What a disappointing end to Ben Solo if that really happens, all this character build in TFA & TLJ and the recent comics all for him to go out with a whimper

[–]P00nz0r3d 139 points140 points  (20 children)

These movies feel like they're about Ben more than they are about Rey. This sequence of events makes absolutely no sense to me.

[–]She-Dragon 198 points199 points  (20 children)

Let me understand this straight: Leia has not finished her Jedi training so Luke cannot feel her presence in the Force, but like 10 min later (this is the third act, right?) she and Luke as FG kick Palps’ butt? How so?

[–]arcantiger 58 points59 points  (0 children)

JP didn't put the scene from his original leak where Leia is dying and hears Luke's voice that says it was time for the final lesson (presumably how to FG).

[–]index24 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Her post-mortal life, force ghost training does not happen within the same time restriction as the physical realm. That’s like the least of the problems I have with this act.

[–]rollinglettucehead 420 points421 points  (21 children)

So the last film of the Skywalker saga ends with the last Skywalker being thrown into a pit and a Palpatine taking the Skywalker name. this is literally the opposite of satisfying for me lmao. Thanks for this though JP, your work is appreciated.

[–]ThatGeek303 87 points88 points  (4 children)

I highly doubt that's what happens to Ben in the end. I'm sure he falls in the put, but there's undoubtedly more to it. It likely has just been kept under wraps.

[–]Hurdlebuddy12 77 points78 points  (0 children)

They really threw out the whole Anakin being the chosen one thing huh. Crazy to think that if these leaks are true his sacrifice meant nothing and he doesn’t even help in the final battle. He at least better be in that group of heroes in the end.

[–]Super_Nerd92 296 points297 points  (96 children)

I was expecting the Act III leaks to look like this from JP's previous comments and I certainly hope he is missing something, reading things wrong, or there were lock-down skeleton crews doing Kylo's real ending. If JJ and company just "drop a bridge" on Kylo, it will probably be the worst move a writer has ever come up with lol

Sources and leaks aside, from a general understanding of the storytelling & arc of the ST, I would bet more on Kylo dying and coming back in some way, and/or having a meaningful redemptive death, than being dropped down a pit and never seen again. If most fans can see that either of those options would be far more satisfying, and given the focus on 'satisfying fans,' fingers crossed JJ does too /shrug

(On the flip side, Ben taking on all the Knights of Ren himself with JUST the Force and no weapon sounds dope as FUCK and I hope that's true lol)

[–]andthatwillbeit 96 points97 points  (7 children)

Yeah I don't really believe that the leaker would have access to all those major spoilers. It's already very suspicious that we know that much. Remember that the person who came here and leaked that Luke blowed up the hut on Ahch-To was immediately silenced by Disney

[–]RavagingFish 59 points60 points  (1 child)

I’m starting to think that any leaks that are showing up online are leaks that Lucasfilm has allowed to be released, likely to gauge fan reactions online.

There are some aspects of the movie that are highly detailed, such as the Ahch-To scene with Rey and Luke (which, as an aside, is beautiful). Then there are broad generalizations saying that everybody celebrates at the end, leaving room for surprises.

This is the same studio that locked down The Last Jedi almost entirely and kept people from knowing Maul was in Solo until the premiere. Also, the CG related stuff is likely to be held close to the chest, such as the battle above (remember Mustafar was hidden from Rogue One until the premiere because of that). They certainly are going to add scenes—such as Ben’s survival and maybe even Hayden’s Anakin.

[–]HosterBlackwood 22 points23 points  (0 children)

The secrecy around Maul in Solo makes me optimistic that Anakin is in TROS.

[–]BlindManBaldwin 81 points82 points  (27 children)

Came here to post something similar. This doesn't pass the smell test!

[–]Matarreyes 133 points134 points  (26 children)

This leak makes it look like Ben's redemption is a bad thing, since him showing up is what empowers Palpatine and brings him back. Lol. So essentially, he fucks up in act one, then once again in act two, then twice in act three (by arriving there at all and then by being killed off lamely). Yeah. Smells both fake and written by a fanboy.

Plus here we have Leia merrily adopting Rey and doing absolute shit regarding her own son, who she was explicitly told was still not gone in the last movie.

[–]Rajjahrw 54 points55 points  (4 children)

Reminds me of how John Snow could have just not gone north of the wall and prevented the Night King from getting a dragon and being able to destroy the wall and head south.

I don't know if my heart can take having to watch two terrible endings that I knew ahead of time in one year

[–]littlestarfighter 72 points73 points  (5 children)

You’re gonna CGI Leia and then proceed not to give her at least one scene with her son in the movie? That’s bizarre and baffling to me.

[–]SorryNotSpartacus 106 points107 points  (43 children)

I think regardless of what one considers the arc of the ST, it seems more plausible that current sources just don't have access to the scene revealing Ben is alive/a force ghost/what have you than that he vanishes and that's it. It's not like any leaker has come forward with a third act that's nearly as detailed as the acts that come before it (and even those acts have clear gaps).

[–]EschildBarder 70 points71 points  (22 children)

I am convinced that he is dying, but I also I can't help to notice that the way he dies and how no one seems to mention him again leaves the path clear to have another scene were he is not dead (maybe a short scene of him opening the eyes at the bottom of the pit) secretely filmed. Maybe even in the reshoots. I mean, Adam Driver is filming another movie, but he is in Prague, only two hours away from London. He can film that scene alone, and won't even need any special effect.

The pessimistic part of me says that he is dead and want to process that, but I can't help but notice that this ending is...too weird. Had he saved Rey, at least, I would be absolutely sure he dies, but...like that?

Also Daisy may have her own opinions about reylo but she doesn't stricke me as someone cruel who would lie to fans, and she says that fans will enjoy Kylo and Rey interactions and that they will be satisfied...I can't think she was lying, yet in this leaks they don't share a single positive interaction. And Adam Driver said that they were working towards something specific with Kylo. It was being throw to a pit the thing they were working towards? Seriously? And he said that while working in tros, so unless JJ changed the ending things don't fit at all.

If someone told me that JJ filmed his resurrection/survival apart only to not have it leaked, I wouldn't be surprised.

But at the same time, the ending of Got exists and is even worse, so who knows.

[–]SorryNotSpartacus 62 points63 points  (9 children)

I don't think it's pessimistic or optimistic to notice that his death seems incredibly strange and unlikely to stick.

[–]nightfox1324 27 points28 points  (2 children)

At this point I really hope JP is wrong.

[–]Super_Nerd92 50 points51 points  (7 children)

Yeah that certainly makes sense. This post is a lot shorter than his others.

[–]aboldone13 613 points614 points  (160 children)

I am going to get downvoted as hell, but I think this is terrible.

[–]jcrave 163 points164 points  (28 children)

Rey giving herself the Skywalker name is just...weird. It's like giving yourself a nickname, that's just not how it works. I'm guessing we're missing something.

[–]AreYouOKAni 73 points74 points  (13 children)

LFL is totally fine with people just claiming or adopting legacies. Even Anakin's lightsaber is no longer "Anakin's", it's now referred as "Rey's". This Skywalker bullshit is totally in line with this.

[–]VictorianxOddity 318 points319 points  (64 children)

I completely agree. This is fucking the worst shit I’ve read all summer. What in the fuck.

So Ben taking on the KoR with just the use of the Force is the coolest shit I’ve ever heard. But homeboy dies. The last Skywalker.


And the others go on Tatooine of all places? They have no connection there. The audience does. But Rey and Finn, and everyone else?


No thanks.

[–]aboldone13 217 points218 points  (12 children)

The tatooine thing is an example of bad fan-service.

[–]arcantiger 96 points97 points  (6 children)

Yep, it's fuckin terrible and lazy because it's fanservice for the sake of fanservice. These characters have No. Connection.To.Tatooine. and most of them never met Luke. So why the fuck are they going there? There's no emotional resonance for They.Have.No.Connection.To.Tatooine. And.Luke.

[–]punk84x 53 points54 points  (1 child)

Agree, no reason to go Tatooine, it's like "Yeah! We destroy Palpatine and First Order, let's go to Tatooine to watch twin suns together" jjeje.

[–]P00nz0r3d 60 points61 points  (6 children)

this entire thing is so bad that i'm praying we have a much larger scale "muh baby girl" on our hands and we'll all laugh about this in December.

Because again, this is terrible. This reads like the very worst fan fiction and literally spells out that Lucasfilm has no idea what its doing in regards to this trilogy.

[–]Butteschaumont 112 points113 points  (15 children)

I was kinda okay with the first two acts but yeah, this doesn't sound great. Too similar to RoTJ, and Luke and Leia helping Rey as force ghosts is really cheesy and inconsistent.

[–]punk84x 90 points91 points  (3 children)

Well, I'm uncomfortable with two things: - Ben death looks so simple and nonsense, at least with the supplied information. - Rey stealing the Skywalker surname ”because yes”... If this is the Rise of Skywalker it's so so dumb for me.

Despite that, lit looks pretty fine.

[–]newaccforgotpass 33 points34 points  (10 children)

I'm surprised at how much of this people are taking to heart.

I understand that JediPaxis is considered a credible source, but I just can't fathom the fact that this guy claims to have this incredibly detailed 3-part plot breakdown of THIS film. It seems impossible unless his source is an Disney/LFL exec, Chris Terrio, JJ, or maybe Adam Driver and Daisy Ridley. Which we all know is 99.9% positively not the case. There is no way a full plot breakdown is coming from a handful of VFX artists, merchandise reps, etc, whatever these sources may be.

Now it is possible that JP has received some insider info regarding some big plot points, but no way enough info for a full plot breakdown. To me this seems to be a breakdown of educated guesses based upon prior leaks and the information already provided to us through the teaser and word of mouth from JJ, Terrio, and the cast. Even then, a lot of what JP is giving us doesn't really line up with what we have heard from cast and crew statements. I think if that is the case and that this is mostly just JediPaxis giving a breakdown based on prior knowledge and maybe a couple other sources of his, then that should be conveyed to us all, because so many people are reading this as a fully detailed true breakdown of the film when it is most likely not.

Here is a good write up I would recommend: https://swshadowcouncil.com/2019/09/12/star-wars-leaks-a-film-industry-perspective/

I would take most of this with a grain of salt, and I'm sure most of you are, but I've seen many people talking as if everything here is confirmed as true. I just find it highly unlikely that someone could delineate such a thorough breakdown without the source being someone very high up and involved.

[–]Lilly214 110 points111 points  (20 children)

So the ending is ROTJ again with celebration and everything and then 30 years later the New New Republic is corrupt and the Second Order rises....

And yeah I'm 99.99% sure Ben will survive. We thought Chewie was dead=fakeout. We thought C-3PO was dead=fakeout so yeah Ben will be back at the end.

Oh I forgot Palpatine also survived his fall in ROTJ. So there's no suspense of Ben dying...

[–]sammypants69 46 points47 points  (5 children)

lol the Second Order. That would be amazing.

[–]Lilly214 43 points44 points  (4 children)

This ending doesn't solve anything, we're back to post-ROTJ period but with the First Order this time. First Order Remnant will flee in the Unknown Regions and then BAM the Second Order is born.

The cycle of hate between the Empire and the Republic is neverending. I wish Disney would have put emphasis on that instead of the heroes win and the villains are defeated once again but alas.

I swear LF and Marvel will release comics to deal with the First Order Remnant, just you wait...

[–]Gandamack 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Timothy Zahn’s new book, Inheritor to The First Order, out next year!

[–]Amanda-the-Panda 57 points58 points  (4 children)

If they make Episode X, 30 years from now, with a sulking Rey exiled on an island, I will be there for it, cackling in my old woman clothes.

[–]Blackdarren 189 points190 points  (37 children)

I just don’t like the palpatine grandaughter thing at all

[–]ScionN7 79 points80 points  (1 child)

I was just thinking that her being his granddaughter would've worked a lot better, if it had been established back in TFA. A big part of her character arc throughout the trilogy could've been her constant inner turmoil between her desire to be good, and her urges for violence and power. Is she her own person, or is she Palpatine's living legacy?

I mean I'm not gonna argue whether her being a Palpatine is a good idea to begin with or not. But IF they were going this route, introducing it at the very end to justify Palpatine's existence (because they've botched their villains in this trilogy so bad), seemed like the wrong direction. It should've happened in the beginning, to give her an interesting arc. Instead Rey's whole arc has been "I'm good because I'm good, and who are my parents?"

[–]Rebel--Rebel 70 points71 points  (3 children)

It feels very tact on, contrived and unnecessary for me. I like the ideas around Palpatines villainous delusions on family but it seems like a bit of a panic move adding it in this late.

[–]starcoder 17 points18 points  (2 children)

It definitely feels more like an afterthought that they decided to center the story around.

[–]Cb8393 102 points103 points  (3 children)

Honestly, as someone who held onto Rey Skywalker until all hope was gone, I’d rather her be “nobody” at this point.

Rey being a Palpatine is ridiculous to me and I’m tired of this back and forth about her parentage being important, not-important, important again.

[–]StarWarsFreak93 183 points184 points  (62 children)

I honestly can’t believe a full plot leak. For such a big film, to get a massive plot summary with this much detail to leak seems odd. Endgame had no leaks whatsoever, so if they can keep their plot under wraps until release, I find it hard to believe Lucasfilm can’t, especially after no huge leaks came from TLJ.

[–]DopeAssUsername 106 points107 points  (12 children)

This is what I’ve been thinking. How are people going to risk their whole film career to leak the plot summary? Like what are they gaining? And how has Disney/Lucasfilm not got involved if these leaks are true? I have a feeling when the new trailer and not info comes out, there’s gonna be a lot of backtracking from these leaks

[–]StarWarsFreak93 71 points72 points  (11 children)

Yup, when the trailer releases and scenes shown match with the leaks, then I’ll believe them, but right now this whole film sounds the exact opposite of how JJ was talking about it. He said it would connect all 8 previous films, yet there’s nothing in here that connects it to anything other than 7 and 8. And I may be misremembering but MSW had totally different leaks a few months ago, saying how 3PO’s memory is on a blockade runner (Tantive III) and that an AT-TE is apparently used by the Resistance. That sounded much more in line with connecting the Saga together than what’s ultimately in these leaks. It’s still just hard to fathom someone has such a detailed summary and gave it to three people. Now I think the marketing stuff gets leaked, which is how Bespin Bulletin got the ship names, but not much else

[–]gradedonacurve 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Endgame had tons of leaks, which IIRC were accurate for pieces and Individual scenes of the movie but pretty badly misrepresented /misinterpreted the whole. Kind of what I’m hoping for here as well.

[–]Amanda-the-Panda 202 points203 points  (27 children)

I've gotta say, I think throwing Ben into a pit is the absolutely most cowardly way they could have gone about it.

"Oh, we don't have to commit to him being alive, but the Reylos can't get angry because we are going to write books where he comes back"

On top of that, I am so bored of people not dying in Star Wars after falling into a pit. Can we not just have a decisive answer?

[–]magicalchickens 83 points84 points  (5 children)

If you're gonna kill him, do it on screen and dont do a fakeout beforehand.

[–]Psychocrap 215 points216 points  (17 children)

I'm feeling exactly as I felt reading GoT Season 8 leaks. Not good...

[–]magicalchickens 80 points81 points  (2 children)

When I was reading those leaks, there was no way they could be right, it was all too terrible...

[–]DogmaticCat 75 points76 points  (16 children)

I shouldn't read this.

But I will.

[–]Harbournessrage 136 points137 points  (12 children)

Kylo Ren's character schedule by the way:

1) Kill big bad boss;

2) Become the puppet of another big bad boss for some reason;

3) Get own ass kicked;

4) Get own ass kicked;

5) Get own ass kicked;

6) Kill big bad boss again.

What a disservice to the character.

[–]Shark_Jaws 49 points50 points  (1 child)

It's not the Jedi Way Do it.

[–]DogmaticCat 32 points33 points  (0 children)

It is... too late for me.

[–]logo449 74 points75 points  (11 children)

I thought Ben and Rey shared the lightsabers in the final battle?

[–]CaptainPhantasma21 53 points54 points  (4 children)

I’m sorry but this is terrible. Palpatine dying so quickly? Not even actually fighting Rey and Kylo? And Kylo just “dying” like that with no good ending to his character? WTF?

[–]JamesSundy 26 points27 points  (0 children)

holy moly this is cheesy

[–]HosterBlackwood 72 points73 points  (3 children)

Tbh I think this is a terrible end for the Skywalker saga.

[–]ExcuseMeImHeadBoy 91 points92 points  (3 children)

Rey and Ben don’t kill Palps? What is the point of this trilogy? lol

Ben Solo using only the force to take down his enemies sounds awesome!

[–]Shark_Jaws 178 points179 points  (8 children)

I'm sorry but if that's the way Kylo is gonna go; literally getting tossed aside after 3 movies of buildup that's just disappointing. Nothing else really sounds inherently bad, but that's the killer for me.

[–]patronising_patronus 67 points68 points  (12 children)

What happens to Rose? I haven't seen her mentioned in the leaks.

[–]firingblankss 21 points22 points  (5 children)

So after 9 films you're telling me that the biggest of bads in the saga is killed in a straight rip off of Harry Potter 4's third act Voldemort fight and HP7pt2s? And to top it off the only good charcter of the new trilogy is launched into an abyss never to be seen again? I never get angry at leaks as there's always room for them to look better than they read or to be completely wrong. But I'm gonna allow myself this one time and say this is fucking shit

[–]KingPizza1 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Still no accounting for:

The blockade runner (which we've seen)

The zero gravity fight (not confirmed but seems like it was practically teased on the poster)

The big ol' fish market set/Klaud

Also the end of Kylo, as everyone else seems to be saying, is uh fucking dumb and seems to defeat the whole purpose of the trilogy.

[–]Rajjahrw 62 points63 points  (4 children)

After reading all three again I tried to see it all as a normal viewer going in without any leaks or preknowledge and I think that if this is basically how the movie goes you are going to see some pretty mixed reviews, not just from the normal salty folk but from critics and general audiences as well.

Maybe with context and with reshoots it will be different but as of right now this story seems to lack focus and to not really have a point. It seems JJ would have severely misjudged Rey's popularity and to have doubted any Kylo potential. I do not think the Rey Skywalker line will go over well. Im afraid if it is as meta and wink at the audience as it sounds it will end the entire trilogy on a corny narm moment.

That combined with how much this seems to take from RotJ and I'm left rooting for these leaks to be false.

[–]Tiberius-M 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I still don't understand Palpatine's plan and why he launched Operation Cinder. Based on this plot, he basically destroyed his original empire from the inside (destroying loyal planets in the process like we see in Battlefront II) only to build another one for 30 years in the Unknown Regions?

Also what exactly is the First Order? Was he controlling it through Snoke somehow? Is it another "empire" that developed independently from Palpatine's faction? Nobody in the FO seems to know he's still alive after Snoke died so if Snoke was the only link between Palps and the FO, that does sound like a stupid plan. It also seems like Kylo just offers complete control over the FO to Palpatine after he met him for 5 minutes. That does seem weird too.

[–]DarthHade 20 points21 points  (1 child)

How Ben goes out is what's really bothering people?

Id say Rey being a Palpatine and Sheev somehow still having his physical body after what was done to him in ROTJ should be far more troubling.

It will be to general moviegoers. Believe me.

[–]rafibiris 21 points22 points  (5 children)

Oh boy, if all of this is true, the backlash will be even worse than TLJ

[–]gabeonsmogon 104 points105 points  (7 children)

If Ben gets tossed into the abyss and THEN Luke & Leia show up to just save Rey after, it makes them look awful. I hope you’re lacking info on that part. Otherwise this sounds cool except the whole Rey Skywalker thing. Rey had a brief and antagonistic relationship with Luke & Leia didn’t take the skywalker name. It sounds forced & doesn’t really make sense.

[–]GaryGeck 19 points20 points  (7 children)

The most bizarre thing (and that is saying a lot) is that palpatine fell in love, had a kid but his kid is a nobody...what?! Familial ties are a thing in star wars....but not to the most powerful force being ever...

That's like darth vader revealing that he's the father of the rancor keeper....makes no sense...has no story weight...

Palpatine's loser kid went off and did own his/her thing I guess.is Rey's dad played by seth green like dr evil's kid or something?

The chosen one myth...forgetaboutit.....

Everything that happened in middle trilogy ...all the character growth undone....forgetaboutit

..jj writing at it's most jj...that's why studios compete for him and pay him 7-8 figures...

[–]iaswob 128 points129 points  (19 children)

Kylo dispatching all the KoR using only the force is the fucking coolest thing I have ever heard in my life. His journey seems al shrouded in mystery, really wonder if reshoots are gonna touch on him and what we may not yet know about how is thinking and feeling.

[–]Morgana90 57 points58 points  (4 children)

The best scene, probably. Come on, this dude is the Chosen One's grandson. I hope it's true...

[–]LRRedd 39 points40 points  (5 children)

We've seen footage of Kylo looking at Vader's helmet. Is this scene in Act II or III u/JediPaxis ?

[–]never_dude84 72 points73 points  (4 children)

If this is true this movie really fucks over the Kylo character and makes him seem like a weak bitch. Its a real shame that they have tossed aside his character in order to bring back the emperor. It seems like he gets defeated In every fight he joins in this leak.

[–]LesbianSansa 68 points69 points  (4 children)

Personally I have really not been enjoying these leaks. If OP isn't straight up lying, I'm very much hoping they're simply confused or flat out wrong.

[–]themandalorianwolf 82 points83 points  (5 children)

This is the dumbest fanfiction I've ever read and I have no idea how anyone believe this. I hope this ages like milk in the hot boiling sun

[–]villette- 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I’d wait for the trailer in a couple weeks before calling bullshit

[–]lamayonaise 18 points19 points  (1 child)

You know, Luke says to Rey, "But this is your fight now". Seems kinda contradictory that he is stepping in to beat the villain..

[–]TheCjH 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Reylos are gonna be pissed

[–]indy720 64 points65 points  (9 children)

I’m sorry, but SO many things are unanswered. Who was Snoke? Why was he ruling instead of Palpatine? How is Palpatine Rey’s granddaughter? I mean, seriously. Also, none of this plot connects back to EP1, so how is EPIX going to connect all of the previous moves together? To be honest, no way in heck that these “leaks” are true. If so, EPIX will end up being more controversial than TLJ. So many things unanswered that need answering. So far, I don’t believe these “leaks” at all. J.J. even talked about how secret and tight-lipped the script has been. Tbh, whoever these “leakers” are, I think it’s mostly theory with a little bit of truth. As of right now, I can’t believe this to be the end of a saga I’ve come to love.

[–]buriedbloom 78 points79 points  (2 children)

Palpatine then shoots lightning into Ben, forcing him to fall into a bottomless abyss, never to be seen again

JJ called this "fun" ?

and people actually believe this? lmao

[–]bba_xx 16 points17 points  (0 children)

WTF is up with the Emperor doing the whole "strike me down" thing again? I don't get what he is trying to accomplish by this. It must be a trick, but at the same time he's sending mixed messages to Rey not to kill him because he's grandpa.

Why is Rey falling for this, and why is Ben against it? The movies don't question Kylo killing Snoke with a lightsaber out of anger, and they don't question Rey killing the Emperor by reflecting his lightning, so what's wrong with slicing him? In RotJ the context was different as Luke was there to fight Vader, not the Emperor, and had had doubts on whether to kill Vader. But Rey was sent by Luke and the Resistance to kill the Emperor (what else do they possibly expect her to do)

If they're going to have Sheev do this again, and Rey fall for it, I'd feel cheated if she didn't actually do it and get him to show us what he really had up his sleeve both now and when he did this in RotJ.

[–]Pancake_muncher 31 points32 points  (2 children)

Hold up a minute. A palpatine lives and the skywalkers just ends? No Kylo meeting Leia?

The more I hear about this Palpatine stuff, the more I dislike how retro and uninspired it feels. I rather have had Ben Solo be the main antagonist with a dash of Palpatine's wraith or ghost giving him a bit of advice on Trade negotations.

[–]ohtheyhatethatship 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Not gonna lie, while there are some things I like about this description, there are a bunch of things that disappoint me.

Chucking Kylo into a bottomless pit before the fight is done and not speaking of him again feels like a weird and an anticlimactic use of a character who seemed to be as important to the whole trilogy as Rey.

I pretty much hate Luke and Leia showing up as Force ghosts to save the day. I’m ok with Force ghosts offering advice. Involving themselves in combat feels like a huge misstep. Whatever happened to “this is your fight now”?

I also don’t see why Rey would go back to Tatooine. She has no connection there. Did Force ghost Luke say go back there? I mean Luke never seemed that attached to Tatooine either. He got out of there as fast as he could and just made disparaging remarks about it in ROTJ.

Not a fan of the yellow light saber, but that’s just because I’m sick of hearing the fan base on reddit clamor for this. I’ve never understood why this is important to people. Why yellow? Sticking this in feels fan-servicing in a way I don’t like.

In any case, I hope at minimum there are key details that are left out of this narrative. One thing that comes to mind is Anakin.

JJ has given us surprises to be consumed prior to release (palpatine’s return), I feel like there needs to a bigger surprise within the movie. Anakin’s return might serve that purpose. It could also motivate a return to Tatooine. Tatooine was important to Anakin in a way that it was not to Luke. Also Anakin’s return might tie up the saga a bit better.

[–]Matarreyes 75 points76 points  (5 children)

This smells so, so bad. It's a "fight what you hate" scenario. It's what OT already rejected through Luke. It's what TLJ explicitly warned against. There is no "save what you love" element to this. Neither on the familal front (Luke/Leia with Ben) nor on the romantic front. By pairing Luke, Leia and Rey for the final showdown, any logical conclusion with "love before hate" becomes impossible, since none of these characters are tied by these kind of ties.

[–]littlestarfighter 56 points57 points  (2 children)

This. Thematically there is so much wrong with it. Contradicts Luke’s line from the trailer as well: “We've passed on all we know, a thousand generations live in you now. But this is your fight.”

[–]YutoFatin 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I hope one of the force ghosts at the end is Anakin. I need the man to show up

[–]arcantiger 39 points40 points  (0 children)

I'm Anakin Skywalker. I'm not gonna show up for my grandson but I'm gonna totally show up for...who the fuck are these people? Nevermind, script says I show up for them on Tatooine so I show up.

[–]Dontbruhmeat 14 points15 points  (3 children)

If Anakin brought balance to the force...Why is any of this happening now!?!?!?

[–]BarryMikokinner 14 points15 points  (0 children)

My god. If this leak is true then Disney will have buried Star Wars once and for all.

EDIT: If this is true it also means that Anakin died for nothing. Awesome, thanks for making the Skywalker legacy not actually be about the Skywalkers.

[–]1almond 66 points67 points  (13 children)

So Rey can withstand force lightning without having encountered it... can she just lose a fight once?

Both Anakin and Luke were quickly downed by force lightning when they hadn't encountered it before. Why is she so perfect at everything?!? Really hoping this is fake.

[–]Darth_Hound 14 points15 points  (1 child)

hoped that Rey would be able to restore balance to the Force once more just as Anakin once did.

I like that Anakin bringing Balance is mentioned. I'd hate it if it wasn't mentioned or if Rey was the "real" Chosen One. I'm still not thrilled that Palpatine physically survived rather than being a spirit. It lessens Anakin's sacrifice to me that Palpatine survived in physical form. At least as a spirit you could say he was actually killed off and is only "trying" to come back.

Rey supposedly asks to speak to Leia at one point, but Luke responds by telling her that Leia has not yet completed her training and he can not yet feel her distinctive consciousness within the Force.

That would make it less likely that the Han vision is actually the spirit of Han temporarily brought back by Luke (as I hoped it would be) and is just a hallucination or an inexplicable vision.

Luke gifts Rey with a lightsaber that once belonged to Leia.

I would love if her saber is cobbled together from old real-world bits like the original sabers rather than designed from scratch.

My sources believe this backup memory to have been created sometime around the time of The Force Awakens.

Does that mean the "old" memory is from his TFA self, or was it an older memory (maybe had to be truncated due to space) that was just downloaded at that time? That isn't much of a loss if he has his TFA memories and only TLJ and TROS memories would be missing. He would know almost everything and everyone. I figured he would be back to either a Prequel, early ANH, end of ANH, or ROTJ memory so he wouldn't know anything that happened since then. That would make it sad, but it would still be a version of him that we knew.


This is extremely disappointing to me personally, especially if it is truly the last we see of him. I've always advocated his survival as he is the only offspring of Han and Leia. It is extremely depressing to introduce the only new Skywalker/Solo and then kill him off in a single trilogy. I like Rey, and even the "adoption" angle, but it isn't the same. The only solace (assuming of course that this is all accurate and won't change) is that maybe they leave it ambiguous (assuming no Force ghost at the end) to leave open the possibility of him surviving down the road in some form if they ever want to bring back a living descendant. I think it is clear that Lucas didn't intend to kill off the entire line as he spoke of at least two "grandchildren" of Anakin in several interviews about his abandoned outlines. I think it is literally overkill to end the line just to put an "end" to the Saga.

[–]daPoseidonGuy 94 points95 points  (9 children)

Sucks that the Skywalker saga ends with no living Skywalkers.

They shouldn't kill Ben.

[–]cheesyvoetjes 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I love Palpatine and they got me with the laugh in the trailer. But honestly I don't like any of this. That he just survived seems very lazy. If you're going to bring him back, at least do something cool with it. And also the Rey being his granddaughter thing is just....I don't know. I don't care for it at all. But I have to applaud the movie (if this is all true) for giving me the mental image of Darth Sidious going on dates and raising kids. That's something new at least.

[–]ThriceGreatHermes 14 points15 points  (0 children)

If this is true, then we're looking at a bastardization of the Dark Empire comic series with a retread of Return of the Jedi.

[–]mazer924 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I didn't have high expectations after TFA and TLJ but holy fuck. This is so stupid.

[–]ThePrimeOptimus 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Remember how for TLJ it was suspected there was a team at Disney spreading disinformation as "leaks" in order to keep the real plot under wraps as long as possible?

I really hopes that's what these leaks are.

[–]echoesAV 13 points14 points  (0 children)

this sounds bad enough for it to be true.

[–]Amcal 12 points13 points  (8 children)

So all the Skywalkers are dead and a Palpatine is alive and the most powerful force user left in the universe......What the hell.

[–]Muhgeetah 12 points13 points  (1 child)

So was Obi-Wan just being a complete wuss and jerk when he told Luke "I cannot interfere" in ESB????

Because now all of a sudden force ghosts CAN interfere and they can defeat the most powerful Sith Lord...

Disney loves breaking established rules and canon, don't they?

[–]562edriss 12 points13 points  (0 children)

JediPaxis just make an AO3 account like the rest of us I BEG you

[–]SintArgum 29 points30 points  (2 children)

At what point in the film does Kylo actually wear the repaired helmet and fight Rey?

[–]LordBinks 27 points28 points  (4 children)

Not sure I understand how Rey is Palpatine’s daughter or how he’s still alive? Wouldn’t be able to enjoy Act 3 if those weren’t explained to me. That would be too much to just be made to accept as facts. Also really need Anakin in final fight. Would be such a let down to have just L&L.

[–]Wonderful_Silver 27 points28 points  (1 child)

really hope this is fake

[–]XoGrain 31 points32 points  (2 children)

There is no way they're going to throw Ben into a pit and that's the end of it. They won't. It's not like the script is written by JJ and filmed immediately. So many people in Disney have to approve of what happens broadly in this movie and there is absolutely no way they kill Ben like this.

[–]atrac17 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Y'all got any of that episode x leaks? scratches cheek profusely

[–]bessann28 28 points29 points  (3 children)

It's strange that the movie ends at the Lars homestead. I understand why it's important fans because of the iconic twin suns shot. But in the context of the story, it's not important at all. Yes, Luke lived there, but his story didn't really begin until he left. And it's not significant at all to the Jedi. How would Rey even know about the Lars homestead? Leia or Chewie never went there.