Can Bethel Repent? Part 2 of 4

Can Bethel Repent? Part 2 of 4


Bethel Repent?

Your question is very interesting but your premise has some problems
You present yourself as Biblically astute
So I have to ask some critical thinking questions
Now correct me if I am wrong

Response: You are not “wrong”, I just need to clarify what I mean.

I thought repentance was extended only to individuals since Christ’s blood covers individuals for THIER sins
The the purpose of repentance as explained by most beliefs systems is to lead one with an approved standing before God and the end result being eternal salvation.

You are correct. I address that in Section II.

You are introducing the premise that repentance can be extended to an American 501c corporation
WT is a printing company that specializes in religious genre publications
So help us to understand how the blood of Christ extends to a corporation


Your welcome, I am really glad you asked this question, and in this way.

For reference of the context we are about to think about:

The future timed and phased Temple Judgment and what led to it:

(Daniel 8:11-14) And all the way to the Prince of the army it put on great airs, and from him the constant [feature] was taken away, and the established place of his sanctuary was thrown down.





Bethel Repent?


WT is a printing company that specializes in religious genre publications



Section I

The “Bethel” Collective of Christian Individuals

1. When I say “repent”, I mean the “Bethel” HUMAN LIVING INDIVIDUALS who comprise the actual GLOBAL Jehovah’s Witnesses Ministry ministerial resource base; The actual HUMANLY operated administrations, management, operations and supporting services of the GLOBAL mechanics of the Jehovah’s Witnesses physical ministry, in the hierarchical tier above the basic congregational Jehovah’s witnesses level of participation.

(But the ramifications will affect the very Kingdom Halls and all JWs associated with them, one way or another, to varying degrees in the future)

Now I do know the WHOLE MAJOR PURPOSE FOR HUMAN INDIVIDUALS, of the coming Temple Judgment accounting and purification-to-recovery-to-final-proclamation, is for Jehovah’s witnesses and others to perceive and take the opportunity to repent of Bethel’s many sins, and our own personal ones, INDIVIDUALLY, in every last person to be affected, that is all Jehovah’s witnesses. (Hos6:1-3)

There is a communal effect of Bethel’s sins on Jehovah’s witnesses INDIVIDUALS. (Rev8:3-7; Isa1-12; Hosea) And in fact others not involved with Jehovah’s witnesses “organizationally” associated Christian ministerial identity are also communal VICTIMS of the crimes of Bethel, they deserve justice commensurate with their level of victimization.

(And that judgment of Jehovah’s witnesses in the 1 Peter 4:17 priority, in time forms a global open salvation call, for global repentance, it is the signal snapshot of the whole global judgment coming.)

So, that being the case of the Bethel criminal reality and judgment coming, Jehovah’s witnesses are in a serious predicament, and Bethel is in an even more serious position of accountability. (Matt24:15)

2. My speculation: The “American 501c corporation” and its global network of subsidiary or partner WTBTS corporations MAY still be used in the future, under purified and updated conditions as guided by REPENTANT INDIVIDUALS; the mundane tool may have some fragment of it preserved, IF it as a collective of individuals reaching a consensus to fully REPENT AFTER the judgment is complete. (as timed and phased in Daniel 8:13-14, Daniel 8:26 dual phasing)

(And I mean it may be a WTBTS trailer with a color printer and hopefully an Internet connection. I mean ANYTHING, any single scrap that will still identify itself as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society as a legal legacy of the original ministry bearing that name as a “In 1884 the legal servant body of this international association was incorporated under Pennsylvania law. That non-profit corporation, Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society…”

I am wondering even if with just a laptop left over, will God use the same visible identity of the Jehovah’s witnesses ministerial tool that began the ministry and devolved later into the apostasy in prophecy that REPROACHED GOD’S NAME IN GLOBAL FASHION, will God still use the global recognized label entity in any way shape or form? I KNOW God has no limitations to clear His name, and perform the final Kingdom announcement, THAT I am NOT doubting.

What I wonder is if he will allow the WTBTS to even provide a pencil and sticky note and maybe an Igloo of cool water to aid what will happen, with, or without their help.

There are pros and cons, but definitely an advantage I could argue for God to clean His Name in the very place that befouled it, while being active carriers of the explicit Name of the Almighty God Lord Jehovah.

(Ezekiel 36:22-23) Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: “Not for your sakes am I doing [it], O house of Israel, but for my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have come in.”’ 23 ‘And I shall certainly sanctify my great name, which was being profaned among the nations, which you profaned in the midst of them; and the nations will have to know that I am Jehovah,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, ‘when I am sanctified among you before their eyes.

But then again, when it was time to dump Israel the nation, God did not hesitate. Yet they were offered repentance as a whole at one time. And individually they could repent into His new ministerial covenant and global identity. (Dan9:27) And when God dumped Christendom, He did form a new faith center of a new ministerial identity, but individuals from Christendom or anywhere were welcome.

So will one of those “organizations” take up the torch? Not likely, but who knows. Will even Bethel be allowed to take up the torch again? (Matt25:1-13) God will dictate what God does dictate and God will have mercy on whoever He will have mercy upon. But He may make such an offer, as before.

SO, I DO NOT KNOW, I WONDER THOUGH; and that is what this is about in this rationale.

I KNOW a judgment is coming on visible Bethel (dan8:13-14), to be actually a global judgment of all Jehovah’s witnesses (1Pet4:17), to bring the individuals and their “temple” and their ministry into its “right condition” as per Daniel 8:14, HOW it is accomplished for recovery of the GLOBAL ministry function, is what I do not know for certain. (Hos1:4-7; Zech3:2; Rev8-9)

I know the current administration will NOT repent at this time. And time has been given:


That being the POSSIBILITY, MAYBE, then the mundane tool of the anointed Christian ministry, the “American corporation” may have some of it preserved, aided by INDIVIDUAL repentance, I do not know, it is just an earthly physical tool, “corporation” as defined by Caesar’s legal and governmental system—it is the physical, legal and visible part of the Jehovah’s witnesses ministry which actions against it can also be easily, globally perceived by many people visibly and by global news and global public legal actions—that is why it WILL come into play as the divine judgment epicenter; THAT I know for certain by prophecy. (1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14; Rev8:3-5; Dan11:41; Dan8:11; Zech3:1-5; Mal3:1-5; Eze10).

What happens to that tool AFTER the judgment, I speculate on.

The call to “Bethel” means the human Christian INDIVIDUALS in that “Bethel” system, for not all are Christian there (Jude4; Dan11:32a), but some are—all ages, higher levels of organizational authority, different levels of prophetic understanding and awareness, varying levels of divine liability, varying economic resources, etc, and so on.

And I speculate, God WILL offer these organizationally highly involved INDIVIDUALS, GLOBALLY the overall repentance opportunity. Because there are many physical “Bethel” “tools” spread around globally, and

The question is, with their repentance, when it comes, as I assume some will INDIVIDUALLY REPENT for purification (Mal3:-4; Zech3:3-5; Matt24:1-13), BUT will it allow some of this mundane organizational ministerial inanimate tool to be preserved and used later in the recovery? (Matt13:36-42; Matt22:1-14)

God may just sweep the whole “tool” off of His Table, come temple judgment time. I feel we cannot say, God is who will have the say.

(Nahum 2:1) One that does a scattering has come up before your face. Let there be a safeguarding of the fortified place. Watch [the] way. Strengthen [the] hips. Reinforce power very much.

Is that “Let there be a safeguarding of the fortified place”, for example, a divine retention of some of the Bethel resource base?


Is that anointed “Jerusalem” Christians and their resource base, or just them?



IS it the WHOLE Bethel “a system of things”, or their current profaned override system?

(Zechariah 3:5-7) At that I said: “Let them put a clean turban upon his head.” And they proceeded to put the clean turban upon his head and to clothe him with garments; and the angel of Jehovah was standing by. 6 And the angel of Jehovah began to bear witness to Joshua, saying:

7 “This is what Jehovah of armies has said, ‘If it is in my ways that you will walk, and if it is my obligation that you will keep, then also it will be you that will judge my house and also keep my courtyards; and I shall certainly give you free access among these who are standing by.’

To what extent is the REMOVED befouled garments applicable as far as the context of the former Jehovah’s witnesses ministry?



Is that “Zerubbabel” administrator sector symbol going to mean the ministry that proclaimed the temple foundation (1914-1919) will also proclaim the coming temple completion too as a temple tool? Or just the collective anointed Christians in approval in that symbol? And that elsewhere other than from the classic Bethel ministerial resource and global base?

The possibility He may offer repentance to Christians involved with the tool at all levels, is what I am entertaining, for a number of reasons. How they regroup is open to speculation. Will any corporate identity of former Bethel’s corporate complex by usable?

Bethel as a collective of these individuals and Jehovah’s witnesses and others will eventually all be askign themselves these same questions, once the true reality of the situation dawns on all.


Daniel 8:14 God Concrete Pie in the Bethel Face

Another of those reasons is because of their false application of Daniel 8:14 to the “right condition” of the temple purification, which real Bethel activity since 1944, there very application date of themselves as Engineers of the Right Condition, apostatized the ministry into the WRONG CONDITION, while using that prophecy as cover from 1982 Watchtower updates, finalized in the 1999 Pay No Attention to Daniel’s Prophecy book.

That means they have applied a divine prophecy to themselves, THE major one of the future temple judgment, prematurely, but it has enormous implications!

For that reason that they have brought that very most important modern temple judgment prophecy of Daniel 8:13-14 upon their own visible epicenter of the “established place” (Dan8:11), the Daniel 11:31a “fortress”, the mundane tool as encapsulated legally in the corporation shell, is I speculate, and that is significant for more than one reason here.

I am speculating God allowed this connection for future use in that implication that Bethel is REQUIRED to GLOBALLY PUBLICLY answer for their false application of a serious major prophecy of the future. And with that REQUIRED full disclosure, one way or another, with or without them, they may be offered involvement. And in so doing the real Daniel 8:13-14 coming on their head for the very “wrong condition” the progressive Governing body dictatorship developed since 1944, can be rectified on Bethel’s end, and have a boost as far as global publication of this update.

God allows the error, that is certain (2Thess2:11-12), but in its explicit connection to the very temple judgment prophecy now to activate, for the very reason that they formed the WRONG CONDITION, while claiming the “right condition”, is sure an interesting “blunder” and “coincidence”. It has HUGE FUTURE IMPLICATIONS for Bethel as a COLLECTIVE of ministerial INDIVIDUALS, and as bad as it is, it is good news possible, it may be a way for them to save face AFTER the required judgment of Daniel 8:13-14; Hosea 1:4-7; Zechariah 3:1-5. And that by removal, exposure and condemnation of the Governing Body device, by full global APOLOGIES and FULL GLOBAL DISCLOSURE of ALL wrong doing, as already described in the indictments of Isaiah, Amos, Hosea, Micah, Zechariah, Haggai and Daniel in EXPLICIT form.

Which includes general lawlessness, blasphemy, theft, reproach, lying, deception, coercion, stumbling people and sheep abuse, hypocrisy, unreasonableness and dogmatism, illegal priests, illegal rulers, and UN NGO explicit in the indictment. In general of course shunning, mercilessness, and pedophile supporting child abuse policies, etc, etc, etc, (other general lawlessness) would be addressed, though not specific in the indictment, it is in principle all over its prophecies.

Those specific charges are in prophecy, but we get the gist of the public record of criminal activity Bethel has built up, and more is to come, MUCH MORE specific literal civil charges for real crimes and its supporting global evidence. THAT is on the way from the secular authorities. Basically Bethel really is in BIG TROUBLE with both Caesar and God, and cannot get worse than the predicament of real crimes Bethel is TRULY guilty of. This is no joke, because God and Christ are the judges who know the changes they want, and they are in prophecy, merely applied to the Bethel REAL REALITY of modern devolution into full blown terminal apostasy, as foretold. (Also, in specific detail: Dan8:11-14; Dan11:30-35; Zech3:1-3; and general principle: 2Thess2:1-12; 2Cor11:13-15; Rev8:10-12)

Now the “established place” to be “thrown down”, even spiritually profaned as such at this time, but it will get Daniel 11:41 as Daniel 8:13 “trampling” far far worse, and GLOBALLY VISIBLE, in the near future is not the “temple” or its synonymous “holy sanctuary” or “holy place”;

The “established place” is though its ministerial base and resource network. And its global visibility, anointed Christian claim, and high profile notoriety can be useful to connect the anointed Christian temple judgment itself, being judged, accounted, purified and exposed, to MASSIVE EVENTS COMING ON VISIBLE BETHEL, that is upon the visible Worldwide Organization of Jehovah’s Witness.

THAT global Judgment of God visible epicenter and its enormous “trampling” events coming for lawlessness, NOT divine approval, can be used later to explain the Daniel 8:13-14 temple judgment prophecy, which is upon anointed Christian Jehovah’s witnesses Christians, who are mostly unseen by human eyes at a glance. The JW org, on the other hand, is globally known and has physical things and legal things that can be readily “seen” when the actions against it do come, because they will make global news as well.


Section II

Open Salvation—Any Individual Can Be Saved

Yes the Christ totality of salvation is accessible to anyone human who has a Bible, to even anyone without a Bible who even heard of Jesus Christ’s claims of the source of God’s salvation as God’s only-begotten Son and perfect human atonement sacrifice (1John2:2; John3:15), and even people who do not know at this time, will be assessed by Christ for salvation opportunity first, all the way to the end, as covered in the Revelation 14:6-7 angelic call of Christ in fully arrived form—for real.

Then people who watched the John 3:15 signs at many an NFL Football game, can be saved, that is true. The opportunity is given to all people.

ANYONE can be saved, that is the truth. But also one has to keep the 666 mark of trust and allegiance to human World Government, the diametric system Bethel is now concealing, OFF of themselves. (Rev13:15-18; Rev14:9-11) But many will escape their hand in the final cycle, the globalist are not in omnipotent power and they will have some still “at their steps”, that is not under full control. (Dan11:44; Rev14:14-16)

So you are correct, and what part of the purpose of this temple judgment exercise of God for a final cycle awareness in time, is to OPEN A FAR BROADER FINAL SALVATION CALL AND REALITY!

Christ is arriving, people will be one on one with the Son of God himself, why hold the Armageddon fear tactic to their head? When instead one can offer what Christ offered FREE SALVATION by faith!!! Modern Bethel is an anti-Christian constricting BURDEN cloaked in a once valid anointed Christian ministry, they are NOT drawing people to God, and the people they do have they have by FEAR and COERCION, hardly true freewill worship of God, or highlighting the MERCY for all, to then be reflected by all based on the sacrifice of God’s Son, which Jesus Christ performed because it si the ONLY salvation known to man.

Bethel derides the sacrifice of Christ, for the Love of Organization, and its own Law Covenant and the Cult of the Governing Body Show as its new Centrally Featured Idol of Bombastic Human Abomination even demoting God and Christ to mere footnotes, to cloak what is a HUMAN Governing Body Kingdom and Law Covenant over Bethel among they themselves alone, and their Watchtower Society Elite Clique of Insiders.


Why not cut to the chase right?


WHY give dingy sinner men the central position and authority such as that in this even non-Biblical “Governing Body” FARCE?


Because they ARE the final apostasy, that is why the GB even worships themselves and wants all Jehovah’s witnesses to also kiss their UN Ring of Satan (2Thess2:1-12), and it formed like weeds in a wheat field gradually give over to this state, very slow and steady! And in time all Jehovah’s witnesses are affected too, “given over” to apostasy as led by the “Governing Body” of its development.

(Daniel 8:12) an army itself was gradually given over

And this DRAWN OUT full running of the final cycle course itself will be a final witness to people that:

1. The 7th King did fall (Dan11:42-43), and it “healed” (Rev13:3; Isa41:1), and World Government IS “ascending” (rev17:8-13; Rev11:7) and it is coming and it will complete before the eyes of the world, as foretold, and it will be vocal at that time about its reality. (1Thess5:1-3; Dan11:44-45; Dan12:11; Dan8:25)

2. And that they personally will be called by their own hearts, and God’s aid (Rev11:1-7; Rev14:6-7), to face the reality of the situation and grab a hold of the FRIENDS hands, because God and Christ are FRIENDS and SAVIORS, not the enemy to be feared!!!

The NWO World Government Boys are who want o exterminate billions in controlled systematic depopulation! NOT GOD! Christ is arriving to SAVE PEOPLE from THAT very coming reality under full World Government:

(Matthew 24:22) IN FACT, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.

And that is why Christ arrives AFTER World Government completes!


And that progression (Rev8-11 parallel Rev16) to global government will be seen by all to help clue them in on this reality.

(Haggai 2:7) 7 “‘And I will rock all the nations, and the desirable things of all the nations must come in; and I will fill this house with glory,’ Jehovah of armies has said.

They NEED to be reminded Christ salvation is FREE for ANYONE desiring to come under his Kingdom, and do their part to love their neighbor as themselves!


(Matthew 25:31-33; Revelation 14 start up phase and period of time parallel:) 31 “When the Son of man arrives in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. 32 And all the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And he will put the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left.

THAT, loving their neighbor as themselves, trying to worship God as best they can, is what these people, “sheep” cited below, so new they have not even read Matthew 25, are doing, and why they are wondering WHY are we being saved? WHAT GIVES LORD??? THANK YOU:

(Matthew 25:34-40) “Then the king will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world. 35 For I became hungry and you gave me something to eat; I got thirsty and you gave me something to drink. I was a stranger and you received me hospitably; 36 naked, and you clothed me. I fell sick and you looked after me. I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous ones will answer him with the words, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty, and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and receive you hospitably, or naked, and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to you?’ 40 And in reply the king will say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, To the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’

By basic love of neighbor, these people who some may have not even heard of Jesus Christ whatsoever, are saved, ON THE SPOT! As Revelation 14:1-11 parallel time period, Revelation 14:14-16 specific salvation parallel.

It is the “Job principle”, your average uncovenanted Joe out there, they are these global-people in this “day”, whose own respect of their own conscience gets them saved, as Christ’s purchase HE applies to them as owner:

(Romans 2:12-16) For instance, all those who sinned without law will also perish without law; but all those who sinned under law will be judged by law. 13 For the hearers of law are not the ones righteous before God, but the doers of law will be declared righteous. 14 For whenever people of the nations that do not have law do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves.

15 THEY ARE THE VERY ONES who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them and, between their own thoughts, they are being accused or even excused. 16 THIS WILL BE IN THE DAY when God through Christ Jesus judges the secret things of mankind, according to the good news I declare.

Because humans CANNOT complete the ministry:


And that is why the global individual assessment to 100% above, of all people, with SALVATION as the goal, is only possible, and is possible and defensible as under post Christ arrival Christ himself, hence the Revelation 14 sequence is the final salvation sequence to the bitter end of Revelation 14:17-20

God has saved the best for BIG SALVATION AMPLIFIED FINAL CALL FOR last, and allowed Jehovah’s witnesses to have an error go to them, and to, in the meantime, make the judgment message known in the modern “wheat” and “weed” progressive state, which in time MUST broaden out when God deals with the Bethel based error, to temple judgment purification and recovery.

In future reality the SALVATION MESSAGE must be the main appeal and truth, the judgment of world government should be obvious to many by that time. SALVATION is far more appealing than destruction and that is why Apostate Bethel harps on the destruction message, the “doomsday” mind bating false impression (Rev13:3), to slander God, and to keep JWs in suspension in mental anxiety (2Thess2:1-2) to reduce their attention to modern prophecy, while making the truth seem unreasonable and dogmatic to the average Jane and Joe on the street.

INSTEAD God and Christ are people’s BEST FRIENDS, more than willing to save, as Christ will expend more energy saving they he even did dying to secure such a valuable SALVATION! JWs message has become one “shutting up the Kingdom before men”, because Bethel IS the foretold enemy system controlled apostasy, heartless, fake, cold and deluded themselves, in sin and under divine judgment. THEY are the ones with all of us Jehovah’s witnesses to be judged FIRST. (1Pet4:17; Dan8:13-14; Dan11:41)

Now judging Bethel first and making a clear as day connection will actually aid the example of what NOT to do, and why the broader more free and open salvation can be explained for people to consider personally, to strengthen their faith, whether they ever stepped in a church or Kingdom Hall a single minute in their entire lives!

No way is Christ’s universal, in fact super-universal scale salvation mission and accomplishment and global offer to men, but also an example for holy angels of God, is going to all of a sudden be limited: Brother, you need a tie on before speaking of this massively awesome super universal truth of the eternal Christ of God and God Almighty’s gift of his sacrifice for the salvation of all mankind and the entire Earthly planetary life system for all ages of eternity to come!

CAN we see the FARCE Bethel’s “sluggish slave” “rich man” corn fed UN NGO blow-softs and Pedophile Packers have turned this huge salvation truth into for a Governing Body Carnival of Distraction in the JW Organization Holy Cow of a Seven to Eighteen Ring GB Circus?

Not for long, and there will be severe divine ramifications off the charts in the book of Christian history. Daniel 8:13-14 and Revelation 8:3-5 Temple Judgment “Earthquake” OFF THE CHARTS!!!!

One good question is will God leave one stone upon a stone with WTBTS stamped on it?

Daniel 8:13-14 Diametric “Wrong Condition” at Apostate Bethel Since 1944—It’s Future Fulfillment and Implications


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