Pete Cohen talks to Steve and Mary Jo Siegel

2 years ago
22 years ago
How long, did they tell you
That I had a fatal disease
Not a cure at all
That was 22 years ago
So we adopted her as our, uh, family
and now, she is our family member, and many others
You should go and check it out
You know, I wrote his name down”
He’d heard about him
Everybody there
It was
It was just
Yeah, we did
He didn’t
He didn’t tell me, he was going to cure me
He didn’t
My hair never fell out
I felt well
Um, I lead my normal life
I drove my kids to school
I cleaned the house
You know
It was
It’s a wonderful treatment
Do you remember that point of ?
Uh, well I remember the point
I remember it very well
Um, the, it
It’s so big
Um, I had, uh, several CAT scans
I had 2 CAT scans in a row
Cancer throughout my body
Reduction, reduction, reduction, until there was no cancer
So what did, what did your oncologist say ?
Uh, yes, we did that
And what did he say ?
I’m not the only one
So ok, tell me
Let me ask you a couple more questions
Many, and Dr. Burzynski is so above them
He, I know that he speaks about 8 languages
He’s an expert on the Bible
He, he just knows so much about everything
Um, I love to be in the room with him
He’s a very special man
I, It could be taken away from me at any time
It was, it was really a sight
An unbelievable sight
Why do you think they wanted to take him down ?
I think it’s because
There’s many reasons
Um, all that poison and radiation
Dr. Burzynski has found it
I was sick
I had cancer 22 years ago

He cured me
He has many
I just talked to an ovarian cancer patient
He has, um, all, all different types of cancers
What he needs is funding from our government
Dr. Burzynski doesn’t get one penny
If we could just think
The Sceptics (10:37)
Yeah, just tell me what this whole kind of skeptic movement
You do any research on Dr. Burzynski there’s a few things
that always come up
This guy Saul
Saul Green
and some other stuff
So just tell me
What’s that all about and where did that all come from ?
These quote unquote experts
Cancer experts of, you know, rather dubious backgrounds
They look for ways to blacken their reputation
None of it has any basis in fact
It’s all lies
They never held up to scrutiny
Uh, Saul Green has passed away
The real light is here
The real truth is here in Houston at the Burzynski Clinic
Thoughts on Dr. Burzynski (13:46)
What do you think of Dr. Burzynski, yourself ?
Uh, I, am of course
It, it, it’s not an unbiased opinion
It can’t be
He’s the man that saved my wife
“You’re gonna die”
“It’s just a matter of time”
an unbiased opinion of how I feel about the man
Expert on religion
He’s an expert on mushrooms
He knows about bees
Who knew ?
We as a society
The world needs to listen to this man
Conventional Cancer Treatment and The FDA (16:05)
Testicular cancer is one exception where it works
Anything else is not acceptable, because it goes against the paradigm

In the bureaucracy we know as the FDA
So it’s “The B Team”
They’re bureaucrats
This is what they do
There, they have a certain set of tasks
Certain things that they’re tasked with
Whatever they deem it to mean
Whatever they decide it means
and that’s the only way
So what’s the answer ?
What will, uh
How will Dr. Burzynski prevail ?
It’s going to be extremely difficult
Other countries are more open, uh, to new modalities

These are voting people
Let’s move forward”
In the case of multiple-myeloma
We’re not a viable political force
We’re not important to the Washington bureaucrats, to the Washington lawmakers
Steve and Mary Jo Siegel
January 2012


Pete Cohen talks with Doug Olson

My name is Doug Olson
I’m from Nebraska
Western Nebraska
And, uh, my mother has been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer
So, we, uh, middle of November, now this is first of, first of the year, eh, but in the middle of November her weight, she was losing weight, you know
She was suffering from indigestion and, and stomach pain, and so we started to have her checked, uh, for problems with her stomach for ulcers and that kind of thing, and all that proved negative, and they put her on an ulcer medicine anyway, thinking that maybe that would solve the inflammation in her stomach, and, uh, then we decided that we (?) better see another physician, and so we did that, and they then ultra sounded and then CAT scanned and found that she had tumors in her pancreas and in her liver
Uh, many years ago, back in, in the late 70’s, my parents had been involved with, with the cancer, uh, subject in regards to my father’s sister, and then his cousin
He started researching cancer and cancer treatments when his sister passed away, and then, uh, they got in contact with a doctor in Orden, Nebraska, that treated cancer patients with Laetrile, and he also did other, not so ordinary things
He did duculation therapy
Uh, a number of things that were really treatments for the disease rather than just treatments for the symptoms, and, uh, during that time, dad testified at the state legislature; they were trying to work against Dr. Miller’s license
This was the Dr. Miller in Orden, and, uh, so dad testified on, on his behalf
Uh, dad’s cousin was, uh, a patient of his, and she had a brain tumor the size of a lemon, and Dr. Miller put her on, uh, Laetrile treatments on a, on a special diet and some things, uh
And this was what, in the 70’s ?
This was back in the, probably the late 70’s, and, so, when they
Well they cured her
She had been sent home from the Mayo Clinic
Given 3 to 6 months to live, and, uh, they had, uh, burned with radiation and cobalt I believe is what they were treating her with at that time
Uh, they burned the, uh, nerves in her eyes so that her eyes crossed
Uh, they sent her home to die
They, uh
She was in a wheelchair
She was a young woman and she had a young child
Wasn’t able to hold that child, and so when my dad saw her, met her, she was in that condition
She was it, in the last 6 months of her life
Gave her a book about, uh, the subject, and told her about Dr. Miller, and her family
She then went to Dr. Miller to see if there was any help for her, and he, and he immediately put her on Laetrile treatment then and, and, uh, the interesting thing about it, looking at his doctor’s protocol; because I’ve come across his protocol, uh, Dr. Miller was also giving his patients antineoplastons, and
Yeah, because we’ve got this thing here that you gave me
Just explain to me what this is
This was his physician’s protocol, to list, uh, the different medicines a person should, should be on
If they had cancer
Uh, if they had cancer, and so, uh, this was given to another friend of ours, a friend of the family, uh, the folks that rented one of our properties, uh, the woman got a, a tumor as well, and this was given to her as part of the regimen she should follow, and she was given Laetrile injections, and then as soon as the injections, uh, were over they went then to pills as the size of the dosage went down, and when you got to pills you got to go home
So, uh, I remember speaking to her at the time
I had a
I was in high school, and I had a summer job with her husband, who was the county engineer
So, uh, we saw them all the time, and she told us, uh, the circumstances when, when she was allowed to come home
She was feeling strong
She said: “I haven’t felt better”
As a part of the diet and the things that, that they had her doing
She said she felt better than she had in many years
So she and her daughter, started a business in town in order to pay for the treatments, and, uh, she recovered
The tumor continued to shrink and shrink until it was nothing
Uh, what had been listed as inoperable, uh, after it shrunk halfway they decided, well maybe we can operate on you
Uh, we think it’s operable now
She said: “Why would I let you operate when what I’m doing is working” ?
But, uh, she is alive yet today and in her mid-80’s and, uh, so, uh, when it came to my mother’s illness, we contacted her, and asked her how she’s doing, and she’s sent this protocol she’s been keeping all these years
Uh, as a result of my parents knowing Dr. Miller back when he was alive
He is, he has passed away, uh, 7 maybe years ago, and, uh, many years ago when they were taking chelation therapy from him, he had given my mother, uh, a flyer on Dr. Burzynski, and, uh, said if anything ever happens to you after I’m gone, this is the man to contact, and so we’ve had that flyer in a file for many years at my parents house, and so when mom got sick she immediately began digging that out and found
So your mom immediately started thinking, well I need to find that leaflet
That’s what we were told to do
And did, and did she go and speak to an oncologist ?
Did she say that she wanted to come here, or ?
We had a local physician, who was not an oncologist, that had, that was the 2nd physician we, we consulted, that did the ultrasound and the CAT scan for her and, and they knew that she had tumors, and no we did not go to an on, oncologist from there
Why ?
because we knew that we did not want to take their treatments, uh, so we immediately contacted the clinic here in, in Houston, Texas, and, uh, we had to wait on, uh, certain things to be completed
CAT scans
Different things had to be done, and, and information had to be sent down here and examined, and then, uh, after a period of maybe 2 weeks, hassling with information, we were told that, yes, uh, we, they would accept her as a patient, and we were getting in towards the holidays at that time
Would we like to wait until the holidays were over, because Christmas
You know, there would be 5 days off for Christmas, uh, over a weekend and 5 days off for New Years over a weekend, and we would be down here in Houston over those times, but we elected to come anyway because we could get the treatment started right away
rather than to wait another month before starting treatments, and, uh, so they, uh, immediately put, put her on antineoplastons and, uh, they sent away the tissue samples to Arizona to have a CARIS test done, and determine what medications would be
So did you have those results come back ?
Yes, those results came back quicker than what we expected
And wh, what did they show ?
Well they, they show a, a list of treatments that are effective, and against it, and then a list of treatments actually that encourage it’s growth
So you end up with a list of, uh, approximately 7 on each side
7 good
7 bad
And these are all different cancer drugs
So what they’re looking at is all
is all the different cancer drugs, and which ones
And whether we’ve got a, a thousand or 2 thousand different drugs that person might try, and, uh, so
So the (?) for how to, to try a few of these chemotherapies, but in very small doses
Is that right ?
There’s 2, 2 chemotherapies
One is an, is an oral chemotherapy that is, uh, quite mild in its side effects, and then, uh, there’s another much stronger one that was, uh, also one of th, the top 2, and, uh, the side effects for it are more varied and more violent, uh, if you will, and, uh, my mother’s had one treatment of that so far, and the treat, the side effects
She did, is suffering from side effects from that particular
It’s Oxaliplatin, and, uh, some people have very violent side effects but she’s thankfully not had any violent side effects
So why didn’t you go down the conventional road of having high-dose chemotherapy ?
Well, when you research the, uh, success rate, with pancreatic cancer, going the normal way, uh, or the normal, uh, road, the success rate is very, very small, and so you’re just guaranteeing, in my opinion, if, if the success rate is 5% or under, uh, you’re introducing yourself to a, a road to death, that’s very unpleasant
You know, you just want to go home and make yourself very comfortable on painkillers and, and enjoy the rest of your life, uh, if that’s the, if that’s the road you’re planning to take
Uh, that was our opinion, and so
What do you think about all the resistance then of, of Dr. Burzynski and all of the kind of, uh, ?
We have
(?) people just calling him a
What’s the word ?
Yes, we, uh, we have seen course, of course these things through our, our life
Dr. Miller
The whole Laetrile treatment thing was something that was, uh, thrown out
You know, it’s pretty well suppressed now
You can go to Mexico and get those treatments
Why do you think they were, pushed aside ?
This Laetrile
What is Laetrile ?
Well Laetrile is a naturally occurring, uh, substance that you find in some of our foods
It’s, they call it B17 although, vitamin B17, although there’s some discussion as to whether it’s really a vitamin
Another name for it is Amygdalin
Uh, it’s found in peach pits and apricot pits in high levels but there’s a number of other foods that you find it in
Uh, it, it,
I’m not sure, whether this is 100% accurate, but my understanding of it is it’s associated with, with cyanide, and it would be, uh, like an encapsulated cyanide, that as it travels through your body, the cyanide portion, um, does not become available to your body until it becomes in, uh, associated with a cancer cell
and the cancer cells attack the outer shell of that molecule, and the cyanide becomes, uh, uh, available then, and it kills the cancer cell that’s right there
So it was apparently a very nontoxic substance
Uh, you have regulated dosages
I mean, it seems to me interesting, uh, when a doctor prescribes a dose of chemotherapy, uh, there’s nothing that I can think of much more toxic than a, than a chemotherapy drug, and certainly they’ll kill you if they don’t, uh, give you the right dosage, but it was not seemed, deemed accessible that a byproduct of food; which a doctor could regulate the dosage of as well, could be used as a transfer, cancer treatment
Uh, and we’ve seen things in the past, as well
When I was a, a very young child, I had a great aunt, that, uh, I was not even aware; at the time I was very young, she was traveling to Texas and getting treatments
Uh, one of them was called the Hoxsey treatment and, uh, she was living a very comfortable life on treatments that she got there
There were 2 treatments in Texas at that time, that, uh, were available
The FDA would come in and raid the clinics, and make just life miserable for them
They got one of them closed down, and that was the one that my great aunt was on, and that treatment was, was pills that she could take, uh, and live quite comfortably, in Nebraska
Once they closed that clinic down, then she had to go down, uh, to the other clinic in Texas, which was a supplement that was a liquid that tasted bad, and she had to make frequent trips, at that point, but still, as long as she could get that treatment she was comfortable and, and lived a normal life
A productive life
Uh, we knew her as our great aunt and, and didn’t even know her, uh, uh, that there was a health problem and, uh, but then the FDA got that clinic closed down
So, as soon as she lost access to those, her treatments, then her cancer which, uh, was no longer able to be controlled, came back strong and, and she died
So, uh, the family had been, had access to this knowledge and this, the FDA’s games with cancer treatments for many years
Um, I’m also married to, a, a gal whose father did blood research as a, he was a Ph.D and worked in university hospitals, in blood research all of his life
He, he discovered a blood protein that was associated with cancer
Uh, it was actually associated more with good health, maybe than you could say with cancer, but he discovered a, a blood coagulation protein, uh, or associated with blood coagulation that would, that could be used as a flag or a test, to see whether a person was healthy or not
Uh, as they applied it to patients in these hospitals, during their research trials, they found that this protein was an indicator whether a person had cancer or thrombosis
Uh, 2 of the very largest killers, and this protein, if present in high enough amounts in our blood, uh, was an indicator that you were healthy, and as the protein’s amount, uh, declined, then it was an indicator that something was wrong, and below a certain amount you knew something was wrong
You better be taking further testing
to find out what your problem was
Uh, that has run into resistance
Uh, that (?) has not been approved by the FDA, and, uh, th, our family’s experiences with cancer treatments, cancer drugs, as they’re affected by the FDA, we have determined by our opinion that, uh, it’s, un, unless there’s something that’s going to generate a, a lot of capital, and then a lot of tax money for the Federal Government, the FDA’s not very interested in it
Uh, so, cynical attitude, but evidence bears it out
and so we remain cynical until so, until something proves
Yeah, absolutely
So this is this doctor in, uh, in the 70’s
This is information that he provided
and you can see here that he is obviously, antineoplastic enzymes
See, here obviously
Do you think he meant Dr. Burzynski ?
He just knew of him ?
You have no idea ?
I have no idea
He was obviously a fan, if he was someone that eventually said
He said it to you
Did you say he said it to your mum or to your dad?
To my mom
Probably to mom and dad
Uh, my mom was the record keeper, and so, she kept the flyer
but they both took, uh, the, uh, the therapy from, uh, well, the blood therapy
I mentioned it earlier
Suddenly the name’s gone away
but, uh
That’s ok
So what about, um
You know, one of the barriers that we had is, when we spoke to oncologists, they just said, no, you mustn’t come to see this guy
His work isn’t peer-reviewed
He’s a charlatan
Why, why do you think they would say that ?
I mean I’m surprised, that these oncologists don’t actually come here, to actually see what, what’s going on
So your opinion about that ?
My opinion is, that physicians are, very much, tied up, with large pharmaceutical corporations
Uh, I spoke with my father-in-law
My father-in-law had to have research done in, in his Ph.D work, and he had to get cooperation from hospitals, from doctors, and, uh, all of these organizations in order to have the research done that he needed done, ’cause past his lab, when he wants to introduce research, onto a patients, uh, live blood, and he needs to collect specimens from patients, then a whole ‘nother group of, uh, set of authorizations have to be signed and, and he being a Ph.D working with the medical profession all his life, he knew how tied up the medical profession is, by, generally by M.D.’s, that control the money flow, uh, in the medical profession
Ph.D’s do the research, but they have to apply for grants, and typically the grants are controlled by M.D.’s, and so if an M.D. Decides that your, your particular research is either applicable to, uh, something they think will make a lot of money, or it’s the, the quote, uh, popular, popular item of the day
Politically correct, you name it, then you’re going to get funded
Otherwise, uh, my father-in-law noticed at different times, his research had to be funded out of his own pocket, and at other times, it looked like, it was something that doctors would like, and so they would, he would get funding, but I think that, ah, as he commented, any doctor, coming out of med school, has been contacted by a pharmaceutical company, and has probably signed a contract, that when that pharmaceutical company wants to test a drug, or test an item, that that medical, uh, doctor, will be accessible to them, to test their products
So, with the number of pharmaceutical companies that you have, and all of them recruiting M.D.’s as they come out of med school, and saying, you know, would you be part of our group, you end up under contract with the large pharmaceutical companies
and if, if 90% of the doctors are under contract with pharmaceutical companies, to, uh, to cooperate with their drug testing, then large Pharma, has control of virtually all doctors, and so, uh, uh, if you have large Pharma saying, we don’t want to see a cancer cure, that we’re not in control of, we don’t want to see something that makes curing disease cheap, and easy, and food related, then you’re not gonna
They’re going to put the word out to all their doctors: Don’t have any wo, don’t have anything to do with this
Uh, they can come up with, some written material for their, their doctors to read
They send them the evidence
It may be accurate
It may not be very accurate, and, uh, but it’s just a smear campaign to destroy reputations so that they don’t get hurt financially
and, uh, so, uh, that’s the reason I believe
You know, most of these doctors, they don’t have the time, or the expertise to do the research themselves
They can’t read everything, and so when someone they trust, or someone that they’re financially, uh, obligated to, comes down and says: Here’s the stand that we want you to take, and it’s against this particular treatment, or against this doctor, they do what they’re told
They do what they know best
Uh, my father-in-law, for instance, was, uh, also involved as a professor in these med centers
He taught nutrition, and he said it’s always a, been amazing to me that you can get through med school, and never take a class on, on nutrition
So you can become an M.D., and not understand the value, of nutrition, to a person’s health
That’s a problem
Uh, he recognized it as a problem
I recognize it as a problem because I particularly believe that most of our ill health is because how we treat our bodies
What we eat
Whether we exercise or don’t
Whether we provide our body with a way to flush the poisons or not
Uh, healthy living, and if you don’t teach our medical profession, healthy living, how can they teach their patients
So this, this whole system is, is just flawed in some ways, and weak in other ways, and, uh, controlled, for the purposes of commerce, instead of the public
So you, you think it’s a good idea treating people as an individual and finding out what they need as opposed to like carpet bombing them ?
When we understood the, the individualized approach, here at the Burzynski Clinic, that they would take where they would test the cancer cells, uh, against all of these treatments and all of these chemotherapy treatments and, and anything else that might be out there that would, would treat cancer, and come back with a, a individualized care approach to the individualized cells of cancer that my mother has, that’s when we knew that we had to come here
We wondered, and I’ve told my friends, and everybody wonders, that oughta be the standard approach everywhere
Why wouldn’t you test, every cancer, and see what it is that’s gonna treat it best ?
You, you tell me
Doug Olson chats with Pete Cohen
January 2011


Pete Cohen chats with Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski

Pete talks with Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski
December 2011 (1:02:30)

So the connection with cancer was quite obvious
He, healthy people have abundance of these chemicals in blood
Cancer patients have varied to none
So could be that cancer is another deficiency disease

So when you found this out

Yes. Mhmm ?

how did you feel ?

Not yet
Ok ?
That (laughing)
Wow, this guy would like to kill cancer
Forget it
Ok ?

That’s just not going to happen

What are you doing ?
Yes sir (laugh)

Well how did that affect you ?

I needed to expand this knowledge
Suddenly I found some like 119 new peptide fractions
Nobody ever heard of them
So I wanted to know
What do they do ?
I still did whatever I could
Then I came to U.S.

Oh so you came to U.S.
What, what year was that ?

It was 1970

I heard you came with not very much money in your pocket

You were supposed to get this money in Poland


(laughing) Sorry about that
(laughing) Good luck (laughing)

So you came here with $15

I smuggled another 10


So the proper balance was like

So what
So what did you do when you got here ?

My uncle that lived in Bronx


So I was stuck in the airport
This was Holiday
Some, like $13 worth

You had $2 left

Ye, Yeah

Plus the $10



I, I don’t need to worry about it



And wha, what job did you find ?


So you were in New York ?

I knew the key people who were involved in peptide research



So were you able to do your own research or

Absolutely. Absolutely

that they wanted you to do ?

Professor George H
er, uh, who was initially professor of Sorbonne in Paris



I think I’ve got something here




Punched him ?

the other guy in the nose (laughing)




for peptide research, so


Absolutely, so was a great coincidence so






It took a long time because

I mean you couldn’t wait, right ?

At this time it’s called River Oak Hospital




(This guy was ?)




Eh, so this was uh , obviously

And then what happened ?


That he would deliver




It happened that at that time it was in Anaheim, California

And what was that like for you ?


Yeah, but still it was your (interest ?)


What was that like ?
I mean, how did you feel when you saw ?

You name it ok ?

Yeah (laugh)


Did you know that was going to happen before ?

(here’s a guy ? try to translate to (?)

(?) yeah
Yeah, probably

(laughing) sure
It always goes through the same stages
well it’s obvious
We always knew (laughing) that this


was going to happen, ok ?
You read about it in the books and

Yeah (?)



and you know that it could be deadly,
(?) survive

Well you could have ended up in prison, right ?



You may die before uh, you be able to do anything




until they die
So that’s what happened
It can be still resurrected, and I think it will be
My laboratory was located in 3 buildings


So then obviously


Uh, well,




There were visits of uh, pharmaceutical companies





And did you always want to keep your independence,


and did you know that was always a good thing ?

That’s right, that’s right


It didn’t hurt my research in any way

And how were you harassed ?
I mean, letters or (peop ?)

So basically I conducted uh, Anethesiology
They learn about it
when uh, the Associated Press (laughing) broke the news
So then uh, the retaliation happened


One of Dr. DeBakey
and the other one was Dr. Cooley
So after Dr., Dr. DeBakey


So that’s what happened

And then you did that ?
You had your own, laboratory ?


In your private practice


you were still seeing patients ?

Absolutely, absolutely

Seeing any results ?

Yeah, seeing patients, getting results
I began phase I clinical trials


in the hospital where I was seeing patients

Everyone is doing this











Ok ?



When leaving the university

When I was leaving the university ?



Why do you think
Why do you think they wanted to stop you ?

Why did’d they wanted me to stop ?


Well, probably just for the heck of it
I don’t know

(Laughing: both)


Well do you think they were threatened by you ?

Well, I doubt it
Their probably some type of revenge





So it escalated ?

Just starting at the lowest level
So I was doing, everything, legally
It stopped because they were exposed by news media





And then, and then how did that end up ?


But you might not have been able to practice medicine

They did not exist at that time
So it was necessary to use I.V. posts


and, uh, and heavy pump, heavy treatment

They didn’t just want to put you out of business


Right, just out of business


Don’t want you practicing



Every year
It never failed


No, no
So then, obviously, um, they then







or do you think that they were just stopping you because ?


They knew what they were doing


They knew you were doing something

Absolutely, yes


It’s obvious
So this 1st encounter, was relatively brief
So really,
the judge
affirmed what I was doing


That’s what they did as the next step

When was the next step ?
How many years later was that ?

will always find something wrong, you know


Ok (laughs)
So we were able to pass the inspection



Burzynski, the movie


I remember seeing in the photographs


around here


there were lots and lots of people outside there (?)


What was that like to see that ?

So then you can see people outside the court

What was that like to see your patients ?



patient solidarity
Ok ?
So they, uh, were dedicated people


Sure, yes

Do you think that this will stop one day ?



you know


and can see what you’ve done


and, and see that there’s really something there


This is just the (?)

Absolutely, absolutely

Good, ’cause I mean, anyone does any research


you know
I had this on here

Yeah, sure

which I’m sure you’ve seen, like on Wikipedia


and what it says
That there’s no convincing evidence

Yeah, sure

that a randomized controlled trial has, you know
That your work, that, that there’s nothing there


What’s that like when you come across that stuff
Do you just not read it, and just

So (laughs)




Yes, so since 1997
Yes, but you see


Obviously they didn’t have any sympathy to us because they lost
They would love to prove that the treatment doesn’t


So this is, very difficult
Ok ?






Well it is generally wrong approach
They will always suffer, some problems
So obviously, this is unacceptable treatment

You have a number of different ways of treating cancer
So, one of them is the antineoplastons


This, this, this is the peptides






using that
Right ?


But you also have





So what are they doing to the genes ?

Well, they work as molecular switches
It’s not enough, to control all cancer
We use this for
patients continuously, without much problem



when you use heavy-dose
Well, there’s nothing unusual about it


The question is, what dosage will you use ?
Dr. Withering, which was digitalis extract
Obviously it was highly toxic medication
It was helping people for over 200 years
So those are the question

How did work that out then ?
I mean, how did you work out


that using small dosages of chemotherapy, could be effective ?


‘Cause you use


’cause you use a lab, in Phoenix
Right ?

Correct, yes

And, and how did you find out about them ?
Um, how did you ?

He was usually treating some movie stars (laughs)




Are they mutated ?
Are they amplified ?



And that’s what you found ?

That’s right


Yes, mhmm

with a drug that was designed for a different type of cancer



that works on this gene, that’s what we use

Everyone’s different
Everyone’s genetics are d, d, different

That’s right








Which means that these people will avoid disability
They won’t spend time in the hospital
I think they will go for it
I think it will be below $1,000 for complete testing


No, no

People aren’t going to be taking their medications anymore





They may forget about mentioning this medicine works the best for


this population of patient (laughs)

So what’s your, your vision ?
Wha, wha, what do you, striving to achieve ?



100 million dollars
Ok ?
Probably slash it 10 times
Ok ?
They have less adverse reactions
They can go to back to work, much sooner
Not really hospital-based treatment


medication given in tablet forms, for instince

And that’s what you’re doing here, right ?
I mean

Correct, yes correct


He can be treated very easily, then go back to work
So that’s the issue
And of course prevention is another important issue to us

So, you’re obviously very passionate about what you do
Right ?
That, that’s my question about that


Well it can, I mean


You have had so many su


I mean, I was talking to my girlfriend


the other day,




it has to be one of the biggest scams ever


because all you’ve gotta do, is look on the walls


and you look at those photographs


Perhaps, this won’t surprise you


or they were misdiagnosed


or, uh, they went into spontaneous remission

Yeah, well

or they, it was the chemotherapy or radiation

These people, they don’t know what they do

They’re working with you

Oh, they came here to inspect what we have



And is that stuff going to be published at some point ?



then you need to have a little time



huge suc, success rate



Because that’s where we selected


We wanted to have something difficult
Ok (laughs)


Because, uh, for the same reason that you mentioned
And they are right







Whe, whe, when you see these people’s


uh, scans


and you see that that tumor has shrunk


or broken down


wha, what does that feel like ? (laughing)

Well, we see this all the time
(?) it just happens almost every day

That must give you great strength to



Absolutely, yes
So that’s something which is gratifying (laughs)






I think this will be a




Very few of them


still involved in research on their own

So what ah, what about the role of the mind ?

How to quantify this
So that’s something that should be done in the future

And nutrition as well

Yes, absolutely, yes



But all of those go through you
You look at every single one of those

I’m seeing every patient, who’s coming, if I’m



How many people do you have, working here now ?

About 150 people here, yes

And you started with, well, just one (?)






Thank you

You’re welcome
My pleasure

Thank you so much

Thank you very much