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00:10:48shuffle2Gatz85 what is your target platform?
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00:15:48Buschelto our other codec guys: I am currently cleaning up libfaad and am wondering about a part of code which was submitted with the very first version.
00:16:44Buschelthe following patch disables a special shift-handling for fixed point −− the same algorithm is used for float point, without any shifts/divisions ->
00:18:00BuschelI am wondering whether this shifting for fixed point is really needed. disabling this shift changes output. any idea why this was implemented?
00:18:30Gatz85shuffle2, my target right now is a sansa clipv1 but hope to be able to expaned after that
00:19:46shuffle2 this is my current patch. you're welcome to hack on it
00:20:00shuffle2it doesn't quite work correctly atm, though :)
00:20:22Gatz85thanks i see what i can do with it
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00:20:49Buschelgood night, see you tomorrow
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00:20:55Gatz85sure to give credit where it is due
00:21:31shuffle2eh, it's all rockbox/psgroove code anyways. and it doesn't work to boot
00:22:21Gatz85well it give me more insite how i would go about the process
00:24:15Gatz85what didnt work if i may ask
00:24:28shuffle2we'll see soon :>
00:24:46shuffle2someone is making a capture of the usb traffic from psfreedom (on n900)
00:25:03shuffle2so i'll compare mine with that and hopefully magic will happen
00:26:46alexbobPooh, is this for using a rockbox'd mp3 player to crack a ps3?
00:26:58Gatz85if you beat me to it all for it man just thought i would give it a shot and being new to usb i wasn;t sure exactly how to go about do it
00:27:05Gatz85doesnt work my friend
00:27:29gevaertsGatz85: that patch has ARC specific code in it as far as I can see. It won't work as-is on a clip
00:28:53shuffle2i also said it doesn't work a few times ;p
00:29:23gevaertsSure, but on another controller I expect it to not even get far enough to not work :)
00:30:38Gatz85well if it doesnt then this was a week learning usb inside and out lol
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04:50:43DavyBoyHello everyone
04:51:14DavyBoyJust wondering... can anyone explain what the dev/builds page means? The green rows with zeros, and all of a sudden there is a line with red stuff
04:54:23ChrononRed means errors in the build. Yellow indicates warnings but no errors. Green is no errors or warnings.
04:55:52ChrononOh. Sorry. I was thinking of something else
04:58:00ChrononThere are two charts on that page.
04:58:10ChrononOne of them gives file size changes for the main binary.
04:58:13DavyBoyBut there is no way to see if the build really "brings anything new" to my Fuze V1?
04:58:22DavyBoyI see
04:58:43ChrononIt has recent Subversion activity
04:59:42DavyBoyI can't seem to find that anywhere...
04:59:59DavyBoyyes yes, i'm right ther
05:00:07DavyBoyon the devel/builds page
05:00:49DavyBoyOh, nice
05:01:19ChrononIt's one of the main bits of content on the front page.
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05:02:15ChrononThere are links at the bottom of that page if you want all changes in the last 4 weeks or since the last release.
05:02:18DavyBoyAhhhh, silly me... I thought you thought I wasn't even looking around on the Rockbox site
05:02:35DavyBoybut all the recent changes are on the home page
05:02:50DavyBoyI was looking for secret links on the devel/builds page
05:02:52DavyBoyOr something
05:05:25DavyBoynice, just saw that the 28000 build has stuff for the Fuze V1
05:05:29DavyBoySave a bit of power, adjust Clipv1/e200v2/Fuzev1 current usage accordingly Note: the power saving (in mA) is a bit less on e200v2/Fuzev1 than on Clipv1
05:05:54DavyBoyRockbox does seem to use more battery than the original firmware on the Fuze V1, I assume it's the same thing for most players
05:06:21krazykit`your assumption would be completely wrong
05:07:19krazykit`rockbox has better battery life than the OF on quite a few targets
05:07:19scorcheactually, on most devices, rockbox beats the original firmware's battery life - sometimes quite handily
05:07:19scorcheit is primarily on the immature targets and the targets where our understanding of the hardware is limited where we get worse battery life
05:07:19DavyBoyUm, okay them
05:07:27DavyBoyHowever it appears to be true for the FuzeV1
05:09:35DavyBoynice to know... thank you
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05:24:33sinthetekall of a sudden my player won't boot anymore
05:26:55sinthetekit doesn't get past the bootsplash anymore for some reason. when i hold play when starting to access the original firmware it looks like it's going to work and then seems to stop at the rockbox splashscreen again
05:27:38sinthetekplugging it into the computer will turn on the player but it still freezes at the same spot again
05:28:30sinthetekit doesn'tlook like it showing up as a mass storage device anymore, either. any ideas how to proceed?
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06:03:16saratogaBuschel: (for the logs) I doubt anyone knows why libfaad did that in the initial commit
06:03:31saratogaIMO if something changes the output from teh floating point version, its probably wrong and should be fixed
06:04:10saratogaI usually decode something in float precision, then plot the difference between rockbox and the floating point version when I'm changing how codecs work
06:04:19saratogamakes it really easy to tell if you're doing better or worse :)
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08:03:43CIA-81New commit by 03Buschel (r28071): Further libfaad cleanup. Make libfaad compilable for floating point. Floating point cannot be used as reference though, as errorous noise is the ...
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08:05:38CIA-81r28071 build result: All green
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08:08:34Buschelsaratoga: thank you for your response. I just compared the spectrum of a decoded flac file with the decoded aac-he (same original uncompressed source file of course) -> disabling the strange "<<exp"-stuff leads to some kind of narrow-band noise bursts which are not part of the original file
08:09:02Buschelsaratoga: maybe internal overflow in the mul/add... need to check this in detail
08:10:27alexbobPgreat, rockbox drive is corrupted again
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08:18:00Buschelsaratoga: when pre-shifting by >>exp and post-shifting the result "ac.det" by <<exp the noise spectrum looks fine again. really seems to be an overflow prevention. I will seek for a simplier solution.
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08:34:04CIA-81New commit by 03funman (r28072): pitch_detector: don't use a struct with only one member ...
08:35:39CIA-81r28072 build result: All green
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08:48:36funmana build with HZ = 1000 is hardly usable, it's really difficult to not cause a button repeat for example
08:52:27Stummi I see here some plugins listet without the DONE-Mark on fuze, but which are available on my fuze v2 with rockbox. What does that mean? Are they not ready or so, or does the author just forgot this mark in the table?
08:53:07funmanIt means you should ask for wiki permissions if you don't have already and fix the table ^_^
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08:55:58Stummican somebody give wiki permissions to me please? :)
08:56:12StummiI am already registered as MichaelStummvoll
08:58:46JdGordon|by the way, I tihnk those marks come from the plugin pages so dont just add them to the table
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08:58:52JdGordon|if there even is a table
08:58:57funmanStummi: done
08:59:20StummiJdGordon|, sure. I will look first, where this marks come from
09:00:48Stummifunman, thanks
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09:02:54funmani'm tempted to redefine REPEAT timings in button.c to be in centiseconds and not ticks (x -> (x*HZ/100)
09:03:35JdGordon|go for it
09:03:45JdGordon|why do you want bump HZ?
09:05:21funmanwhy not? (i'm just trying some stuff to see what affects the noise on clipv2)
09:05:39sinthetekany ideas how to get my sansa e250 running again? i didn't modify it at all but for some reason it now won't load past the rockbox startup screen
09:06:33funmansurely if you see the rockbox startup screen it's running. also should we look in a crystal ball to guess the details?
09:07:37sintheteki wasn't quite done, funman. though the only other details i could think to add is that it won't show up as mass storage device when i plug it in, either
09:08:44sinthetekit was working. the only thing i've modified since i was using it this afternoon is when i copied .scrobbler.log, rm'd it and safely removed it from my aunt's xp system
09:08:57funmanwhat's on the screen?
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09:09:31sinthetekthe rockbox startup screen. the one that says 'ROCKbox' at the top
09:09:52sinthetekand 'Ver. 3.6' at the bottom
09:10:18funmanOF boots? (press right key at startup)
09:10:46sinthetekdoh! i was thinking it was the play button
09:10:48sintheteklemme check
09:11:33funmanhum i don't have a e200v1 but iirc it's the right key, verify in the manual
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09:20:44sinthetekahh, it's the LEFT key, haha
09:20:47sinthetekand it works!
09:21:09funmanah sorry, yes it's left key on all sansas (except the c200v2 which needs a bit of work)
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09:21:41funmansinthetek: if the OF works you could try to check the disk for errors or reinstall rockbox
09:22:19sinthetekyeah, i think i'll try to do both
09:23:14sinthetekwhat is the feasibility of putting rockbox onto the microsd in case internal storage is actually starting to fail?
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09:24:17funmansome small changes in the source
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09:31:15wodzOn the there is no icon for MPIO HD200. On the FS #11177 there is nice, ready to use icon provided. Can someone with www knowledge fix this?
09:34:19funmanwodz: you have a svn checkout of the website?
09:35:33wodznot here
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09:45:34Stummihm, is there a way to see the "parsed" SOURCES file for the current configuration?
09:46:12funmanrun make V=1 and copy gcc command line with all the -I
09:46:26funmanand change it to gcc -E <-I.....> /path/to/SOURCES
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09:59:36Stummifunman. does not work here:
10:02:41funmanreplace "gcc -E" by "cpp"
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10:03:56Stummiok, works now. Thanks
10:08:50funmandoes rockbox resample to 44.1 only when DSP is used?
10:10:26funmanhm rockbox doesn't like flac@96KHz
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10:15:46gevaertsfunman: I think I consider it a bug if there are things in the code that depend on what HZ is exactly but don't use HZ
10:16:35funmanif you want to look at it HZ = 1000 should make it obvious, i have committed button repeat changes locally but i also noticed scrolling was way too fast
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10:29:33wodzfunman: HZ=1000 is not possible on MPIO HD200 from the fundamental reason that 1ms is way to short to read adc values. I think there are more targets with such constraints. Moreover I would expect decrease on battery life because of context switch overhead (but this is my wild guess).
10:31:11funmanwodz: i'm not wanting to use this value for normal builds ;) i just use it for debugging/experiment
10:31:54gevaertsSure, not any HZ value is usable, but code still shouldn't assume 100
10:32:11wodzthat's clear
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10:33:16funmanthe clipv2 noise seems to change with playback frequency
10:35:33wodzfunman: did you try to disable lcd updates at all? I had problem on MPIO that noise was picked up in analog domain if lcd transfers were to fast
10:36:12funmanyes they are disabled when 'backlight' (oled power) is off. the LCD indeed causes a bit of noise, but it's not the major source
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10:37:11wodzare there other 'bus traffic'? i2c for example?
10:37:46funmanyes the adc is read over i2c
10:45:03wodzhave you tried to see if the noise is periodic?
10:45:58funmanit seems to be 4Hz when playing 44.1kHz
10:46:25funmanwith other frequencies i can't really hear and i can't see it on the spectrum display (audacity)
10:47:53wodzI use baudline ( to analyze signal
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11:14:35StummiBtw, i do have just a sansa fuze v2, is this nearly the same as v1? Would it make sense to make one collumn in the pluginlist for v1 and one for v2 or does the "fuze" already means both?
11:15:07funmanStummi: no it wouldn't make sense, they behave identically wrt plugins
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11:21:04*funman sees writes to undefined i2c registers in the OF
11:33:46pixelmafunman: unless you disable doom on 8MB RAM targets, no?
11:34:05funmanpixelma: fuzev2 has 8MB just like the fuzev1
11:34:19pixelmaah, didn't know that
11:34:58funmanit just has a bit more IRAM though (1MB vs 320kB for the v1)
11:37:00funmanthere's something weird with 0x21 i2c register
11:37:30funmanit changed between as3514/17 and as3543 but we use the AMSv1 setting on v2 too
11:38:13funmanmy attempts to change the settings result with auto-poweroff (as expected from the as3543 description) or (unexpected) prefetch aborts
11:38:19rasherCan you get a lits of a user's edits on the wiki?
11:38:30funmanthe 'Default' value for bit7 uses 4bits also
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12:30:42JdGordondoes anyone remember the backdrop load order for the wps if you use -?
12:30:53JdGordondoes it use the sbs backdrop before the setting?
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13:02:35funmanusing PIO instead of DMA gives no change for clipv2 noise
13:03:21funmani wonder how i can instruct gcc to use ldmia/stmia
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13:05:10JdGordonwith a hammer!
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13:06:12funmani wish!
13:07:13wodzfunman: maybe you clock some bus faster than OF?
13:08:10wodzIs the noise present only during playback?
13:08:49funmanyeah, not for radio or when playback is paused
13:09:51wodzso this is not output stage at least
13:10:09wodzis the noise present during test_codec run?
13:13:23funmani tested it long ago but i don't remember
13:13:36funmaniirc it also depends on CPU freq
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13:23:32*JdGordon has a patch to fix the ultra crazy backdrop SNAFU if you try loading a theme which one of the skins fails to load
13:23:47JdGordonspecifically if the sbs fails to load
13:24:11JdGordonanyway able to test?
13:31:15funmanwodz: hm i hear some noise when using test_codec but it's much less noticeable
13:31:37funmani think strictly speaking it's not noise but a frequent beat
13:32:33wodzat what fequency?
13:32:55funman4Hz or so
13:33:55wodznow the question is what runs at 4Hz frequency\
13:34:25JdGordon4 wall clocks...
13:35:54wodzfunman: If you change HZ value (but not so drasticly say 200 or 50) does this frequency changes?
13:36:18wodzthats weird
13:37:20funmani tried again to change CPU clock, no change either (but now i'm using PIO in both cases and not DMA)
13:37:54funmanthere's some noise when using storage but it's not related because storage reads doesn't happen 4 times per second but more once every 5 minutes or so
13:38:51funmanDMA transfers isn't 4Hz either but more 20Hz, and it's still there with PIO
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13:42:26funmannot RTC either
13:44:11funmannot reading the hold button
13:45:03Stummihm, a volume control within gnuboy would be a good thing
13:45:14funmannot the other buttons either since they are skipped if hold is switched on
13:45:30funmanStummi: there's no playback menu?
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13:49:52funmanthe audio interrupt rate in under 4Hz too (i think it's 1Hz, it could be the adc_read() rate)
13:53:41funman2Eh (ADC10 4 bits source select) has a different description in the detailed description and in the register overview :/
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13:56:09funmanwodz: thx for the advices, better luck next time i guess ;)
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13:56:54CIA-81New commit by 03jdgordon (r28073): Another major skin backend update/hopefully bugfix: ...
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13:58:39JdGordonanyone experiencing skin related crashes needs to check again with that commit and close any fixed bugs... not sure which will get fixed but I'm hoping at least some will
13:58:39CIA-81r28073 build result: 301 errors, 101 warnings (jdgordon committed)
13:58:45JdGordonbah :p
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14:16:01giovanni_Is it possible to change the backdrop with an if in the sbs?
14:22:03CIA-81New commit by 03jdgordon (r28075): fix errors, warnings, tabs
14:23:48CIA-81r28075 build result: 15 errors, 94370 warnings (jdgordon committed)
14:23:59giovanni_Is it a featured for the future?
14:24:20JdGordonNot. A. Chance
14:24:39JdGordonmassive waste of buffer space to support that
14:25:51giovanni_I see
14:26:05gevaertsJdGordon: on a clip it wouldn't be too bad :)
14:26:18giovanni_and to print text over imges?
14:26:55JdGordonwell the clip is rather hard to use backdrop images at all so....
14:27:03JdGordonactually, I dont tihnk the clip has backdrop support
14:27:10gevaertsA (very?) wild idea: does the skin engine on charcell have to be the same one as on bitmap?
14:28:03JdGordonbut I have no intention of splitting the code, so if someone wants that they will need to get their hands dirty
14:28:28gevaertsoh, sure. Just thinking aloud for now
14:30:47JdGordonhopefully this is it...
14:30:48CIA-81New commit by 03jdgordon (r28076): woops
14:31:22giovanni_Can the background of an %V area (%Vb(0000)) be printed over the background.bmp?
14:32:22JdGordonannoyingly backdrop takes precendence there
14:32:40CIA-81r28076 build result: 16 errors, 90186 warnings (jdgordon committed)
14:32:45giovanni_and....for the future? Will this be implemented?
14:33:01JdGordonif someone does it
14:33:08JdGordonoh for crying out loud!
14:33:40giovanni_I'm used to it, but I don't want this time
14:34:17JdGordonoh wtf? why is plugin.h using statusbar-skinned.h?
14:35:39solexx_JdGordon: did you just commit FS #11614?
14:36:27JdGordonnot tthat exact patch, but yes
14:36:41CIA-81New commit by 03jdgordon (r28077): why did plugin.h need statusbar-skinned.h?
14:37:47pixelmaJdGordon: I'll try later. Just wanted to let you know that I also got crashes on my M5 when just switching the WPS (and the more complex its code is the more likely). If it fixes some of the bugs I reported, I'll close them
14:38:34CIA-81r28077 build result: 15 errors, 0 warnings (jdgordon committed)
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14:39:29wodzwhat's the planned timeframe for 3.7?
14:40:44CIA-81New commit by 03jdgordon (r28078): grumble
14:40:47JdGordonnothing is planned
14:40:53JdGordonnoone has stepped up to do it
14:41:16amiconnThe skin engine on charcell already *is* unnecessarily different from bitmap :(
14:42:20*gevaerts wouldn't mind a new release, but he seems to have a vague feeling that several areas have issues
14:42:35CIA-81r28078 build result: All green
14:43:01JdGordon\o/ bout bloody time!
14:44:47wodzMy question come from that I got offer of Archos Player to test my MAS_cleanup patch.
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14:47:16mcuelenaereJdGordon: you know of FS #11626?
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14:47:39JdGordonthose commits probably wont fix that issue
14:47:55mcuelenaereyou know what the issue is?
14:48:01mcuelenaereI mean, the cause
14:48:19JdGordonI suspect that is from the subline timeout bugfix I did 2 weeks ago (or so)
14:49:33JdGordonoh bugger... /me forgot a quick explanation in the commit message
14:50:17JdGordonI tihnk I've mentioned this enough already but from now, if a theme doesnt have enough room but parses correctly it should still load except the backdrop will not be displayed. IMO nicer than falling back to the hardcoded one
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14:52:17neoxanwhats the difference between fuzev1 and fuzev2? is fuzev2 any better?
14:52:25neoxanhi btw . :)
14:53:01neoxannot better?
14:53:13neoxanwhy did they make a fuzev2?
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14:53:47wodzmaybe it is cheaper to manufacture?
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14:56:00giovanni_mcuelenaere: about FS #11626, the latest build doesn't fix the problem
14:56:15mcuelenaereyep, read that
14:56:35mcuelenaereJdGordon is the person to talk to about skin-related stuff though
14:56:42mcuelenaere(hence me getting on IRC and asking him about it)
14:56:53giovanni_bout the onda's, are you still working on hte port for that hardware?
14:56:56giovanni_I know
14:57:06giovanni_already spoken with him
14:57:20mcuelenaereI don't really have much time lately for Rockbox
14:57:50mcuelenaerealso, the Onda port is "pretty" stable; ie it runs Rockbox and plays music
14:57:54giovanni_I think you are the only one who where working on onda's, right?
14:58:00mcuelenaereAFAIK, yes
14:58:08giovanni_but it has some bugs
14:58:12*mcuelenaere knows
14:58:23giovanni_volume in FM
14:58:39mcuelenaerepatches are welcome ;)
14:59:02giovanni_I'm not able...
14:59:10giovanni_but I have build a good theme
14:59:28giovanni_what do you think about the FullTouch?
14:59:33mcuelenaereI'm not sure about volume in FM, but all audio has to pass the DSP for the Onda's as the hardware doesn't have hardware volume mixer
15:00:02mcuelenaerethat's getting a bit off-topic
15:00:15mcuelenaere(#rockbox-community is for off-topic talk)
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15:04:03giovanni_mcuelenaere: Speaking about VX7x7, Do you think that will be possible for rockbox to read the internal storage in future?
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15:04:56mcuelenaereThe change that someone reverse engineers the NAND FTL (Flash Translation Layer) the OF uses is very small
15:06:11mcuelenaereHowever, perhaps Rockbox will have a FTL of its own in the future; in that case there's a change we could use that but that would mean losing OF compatibility
15:06:52mcuelenaereanother possibility would be porting Linux to the Onda (Jz4740 support is in mainline) and running Rockbox as RaaA
15:09:46giovanni_losing OF compatibility will not be that bad...
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15:10:46mcuelenaereif you're talking about native Rockbox, that would mean losing hardware accelerated video playback (until someone ports that over)
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15:12:50giovanni_btw, as now, the onda port is quite good, I need also that FM Volume bug solved, and it wil be perfect for everyday use
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15:13:13mcuelenaeregiovanni_: what exactly do you mean with "the FM volume bug"?
15:13:40giovanni_you can't change the volume while listening to FM
15:14:17giovanni_nor from the contextual menu inside the FM screen, nor from the Audio in settings
15:15:17giovanni_there's also something not working good with dynamic playlist, sometimes adding songs will result in a crash, but I don't know if it is onda's related or it is commons for all the ports
15:16:12mcuelenaeregiovanni_: do you mean you can change it but it doesn't have any effect or do you mean you really can't?
15:16:33giovanni_I can chenge it without effect
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15:19:30mcuelenaereI'm guessing that is because the FM audio goes straight through the headphones/speaker without passing Rockbox'es DSP (which modifies the volume), but I'd need to check
15:19:55*mcuelenaere also has some code for recording in his tree, but never got it working without crashing
15:20:27giovanni_and also changing the volume value, takes a lot to take effect
15:20:56giovanni_Do I need to open new bugs for those things?
15:23:02mcuelenaereno, the port isn't still official
15:23:04giovanni_FS #11463 I forgot that I already did...
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15:24:07mcuelenaerethe volume taking some time is related to the DSP buffer size, so that's general Rockbox code (however that code wasn't meant for replacing hardware volume mixer in the first place)
15:24:43giovanni_so there's nothing we can do?
15:25:42mcuelenaereyes there is, I don't know how (un)trivial it is though and how it would affect other ports
15:26:20giovanni_can we handle it differently only for the ondas
15:27:44mcuelenaereI guess we could, but there's already a lot of #ifdef's all over Rockbox..
15:27:57*mcuelenaere should check how Linux handles this actually..
15:32:09giovanni_sometimes ago I gave my contributions for the ondas manual, added some screenshots , but my English is too faulty for writing the manual...
15:32:42mcuelenaeredid that got into SVN?
15:33:20giovanni_the screenshots yes, for shure
15:33:29giovanni_maybe there's a patch...
15:34:13giovanni_no patch there, it is in the SVN
15:34:47mcuelenaereok, good :)
15:35:28giovanni_pixelma help me :)
15:36:05pixelmayes, the Onda v777 manual is in SVN
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15:36:39giovanni_it lacks of a lot of thinks i think
15:36:56mcuelenaeredoesn't that qualify as unstable then? or do we still need Rockbox Utility support?
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15:37:10*mcuelenaere remembers adding that some time ago
15:39:59pixelmaI don't think it lacks much as the manuals reuse as much as possible - things already written for other ports and you just enable and disable stuff. The Ondas have the advantage that they are touch screen targets and so some button tables etc. are already filled out (and core "actions" are done with the platform files which was done)
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15:40:22pixelmaI don't have an Onda though and haven't looked at its manual for some time
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16:09:47amiconnmcuelenaere: Rockbox dsp has a low-latency mode that is temporarily invoked when changing settings. Maybe the onda just doesn't trigger this mode when changing volume? (as all other targets so far have hardware volume)
16:10:12*mcuelenaere didn't know about that
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16:17:24mcuelenaereamiconn: call chain: sound_set_volume() -> ... -> dsp_callback(DSP_CALLBACK_SET_SW_VOLUME, 0) -> set_gain(..) -> adjusts volume gain according to value obtained from global_settings.volume
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16:19:34mcuelenaereamiconn: can you tell me what function induces low-latency mode?
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17:22:04AcornHey, I just wanted to check, can rockbox for the Sansa Clip+ write to the memory?
17:22:16Acornallowing you to save settings etc
17:23:02pamauryin short: yes but the port is unstable so use as your own risks :)
17:23:37AcornAh okay, I was wondering why it said 80%
17:24:15pamaurythe 80% is for usb, which is not entirely reliable, that is the device is not detected sometimes and can experience random failures
17:24:38pamaurybut anyway, usb is not enabled by default in the build
17:25:14Acornright, you need to boot into OF to transfer data
17:25:35pamauryyes, that's safer
17:25:47pamauryand it's the only way if you don't compile yourself
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18:09:41ded`I'm getting very slow USB transfer speeds (using "cp" to a 5.5th gen 80Gb ipod; have removed original firmware; last week's current build.) Is there anything I can do to speed it up?
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18:13:28ded`It's running at approximately 60 Kb / sec (according to Nautilus in Ubuntu 10.10.)
18:18:53pamaurymight be a hardwaee problem ?
18:19:52*pamaury has another try at solving asmv2 usb problem
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18:21:26ded`pamaury: I believe that USB transfer speeds got much lower when I removed the Apple firmware. Does that fit with what is known about the software?
18:22:17pamauryI don't know much about the ipod to be honest, but as far as I know, there is no need for the Apple firmware so it's strange
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18:42:48pamaurythat's strage, with my modified usb code, when the code breaks too badly, the font size goes bigger !
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19:02:20redictablwHi i'm trying to get my ipod nano 1st-Gen into HID mode but i cant find the settingsentry. On my nano there are only 9 entries under Settings->General->System and none of them is USB-HID. Maybe someone can help me?
19:03:19saratogawhat version are you running?
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19:04:38redictablwim running r28072-100914
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19:11:37redictablwI tried even to download the newest simulator to double check if im missing something. But in the newest simulator which is on the same build is this option also missing
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19:15:55pamauryis ipod nano1gen supposed to have HID mode ? Perhaps it does have usb support for interrupt transfers, any specialist ?
19:16:17gevaertspamaury: 1st gen nano is ARC
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19:17:00redictablwwell in the manual for ipod nano 1g is this feature listed so somebody should have tested it with success?
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19:18:17pamaurythen the menu must have the USB-HID entry
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19:19:06LloreanI've used my original Nano to control my volume on the laptop many times
19:19:17LloreanNot with a recent build though, so I don't know if it may have been broken, but it worked quite some time ago
19:19:23redictablwwell but it's just not there...maybe you can try to download the simulator for yourself and check it =/
19:19:40gevaertsded`: that sort of speed definitely isn't normal. Have you tried a different port, and maybe a different cable?
19:19:46pixelmathe simulator could be different
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19:20:04pamauryfor settings ? Not sure
19:20:23redictablwwell its exactly how it is on my nano 1st G nexxt to me
19:20:27LloreanI just know that it worked at some point in the past. I can't comment on recently. Is the setting definitely supposed to be in that location (maybe the manual is wrong instead?)
19:21:02redictablwi tried to find it elsewhere but haven't found it
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19:21:22*pamaury tries a simulator build for nano1gebn
19:21:33saratogathe option is there on the e200v1 which uses the same USB controller
19:21:40redictablwthanks fot that
19:22:15pixelmaredictablw: you sure have a 1st gen Nano, not a 2nd gen? Just making sure, please don't take offence
19:22:44redictablwnot a problem im sure having a 1g nano
19:23:02pamauryit's not in the sim
19:23:11pamaurylooking at the code...
19:23:13redictablwnot a problem im sure having a 1g nano
19:23:29redictablwsry fot that
19:23:47gevaertsThe sim won't have that setting
19:24:01gevaertsUSB_ENABLE_HID is defined for CONFIG_PLATFORM & PLATFORM_NATIVE only
19:24:17redictablwwell but my nano doesent have it too
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19:25:07pamauryindeed, the setting is conditional for it, let's try a real build to see
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19:26:53pamaurythat's impossible, I just compiled SVN head for nano1gen and the usb hid settings are compiled in, I checked with #error
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19:27:53saratogayou sure you're running that build number you mentioned above?
19:28:04redictablwsure i am
19:28:23redictablwmaybe i have the possibility to checkout the svn head too?
19:28:53pixelmawhat colour is your Nano?
19:29:13pamauryr28072 is just 6 rev ago, nothing changes since then
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19:30:59redictablwso i guess i try to delete the whole rockbox thing and begin from start again maybe im missing something dont know
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19:31:20gevaertsredictablw: can you have a look at the debug menu?
19:31:43gevaertsGo to System->Debug (keep out), and see if "Dump ATA identify info" is there
19:32:44redictablwi got 5 entries
19:34:08gevaertsDo you have "View HW Info"?
19:35:31redictablwi have to say no again ...
19:36:02gevaertsThen you're looking in the wrong place. That item is *definitely* there
19:36:15gevaertsYou are in the debug menu?
19:36:22redictablwyes i am
19:36:26pamaurywhat are the entries ?
19:37:09redictablwthe are the options view os stack, screendump, view dirchache info, view database info and view buffering thread
19:37:33pixelmaredictablw: how old is your installation (originally)?
19:38:11redictablwuff i would say first install is at least a year ago
19:38:33saratogawhat makes you think you're not running some build from years ago exactly?
19:39:44redictablwsystem -> rockbox info
19:40:11gevaertsredictablw: you're not checking this in the simulator, right?
19:40:24redictablwno i dont
19:43:08gevaertsThen I can't explain how the things you see *exactly* match simulator behaviour, and *don't* match real hardware behaviour at all
19:43:46redictablwi didn't even know there was an difference between these two well...
19:44:04redictablwi try to make a clean fresh install..
19:44:34redictablwhopefully it helps but thank you anyway for your great help
19:44:53redictablwi will report back if i get it running....and if not too
19:45:38gevaertsThe difference between them is pretty clear. The simulator runs on a PC, the actual target build runs on a DAP
19:48:44pixelmait's also called simulator and not emulator for a reason ;)
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19:51:26pixelmaas far as I can see (looking at config.cfg), HID is still enabled by default. So once your new build is correctly running, you shouldn't need to touch the setting. It's just an indicator if the function is there
19:52:42pixelmaor if the default change... (which I think would be wise as HID enabled can cause trouble with usual data transfers on some OSs)
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20:28:08Stummihm, what is the easiest way to add a volume-control-entry to an menu? I want add something like this in the menu for rockboy.
20:35:35evinick_BCheck out how the other plugins do it, and that'd be at least a start.
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20:36:06evinick_BEr... "check out" as in "look at". To do so, you'll need to "check out" the source!
20:37:34gibbon_i am using rockbox on a clip+ for a while now (working fine until now)
20:38:12saratogampegplayer is a pretty obvious plugin for volume changes i think
20:38:16gibbon_is there something known about lockups on playback start (as in error and reboot)?
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20:38:44saratoganot that i've heard of
20:39:02gibbon_on "current" svn... my last try was the svn version current today about 1500 UTC
20:39:45gibbon_Data Abort on every song I choose... (tried ogg, mp3 and flac, didn't have anything else on the player)
20:40:15saratogacheck the disk for errors, make sure you completed the install, etc
20:40:31gibbon_install is complete... fsck went fine
20:41:12gibbon_i can only fix it by shutting down and powering up the device again (the automated reboot after hang does not fix it)
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20:42:34psycho_maniacwhat are some of the new patches that may be included in rockbox?
20:43:58pixelmasaratoga: mpegplayer doesn't set volume through a menu though, I think. If Stummi is interested in the menu method then maybe looking at e.g. sudoku could be more interesting. (And rockboy probably has trouble with a mapping for directly controlling the volume, on quite a few targets)
20:44:17evinick_Bpsycho_maniac: Do you mean; "Which patches are likely to be included in the main build?" or "Where is the list of patches?"?
20:44:43psycho_maniacthe 1st answer. maybe i could run them in a test build for myself as i am very bored and have a lot of free time now.
20:44:56psycho_maniacall the pateches i tested before are now included in the latest build.
20:45:05Stummipixelma: on the most devices, there are not enough keys to map volume controlling direct in the emulator ;)
20:45:23Stummiso, i wanted add an menu for that in the options-menu
20:46:01gibbon_saratoga: i will wait and see... if it keeps showing up, i will wipe both the disks and do a plain reinstall
20:46:08pixelmayes, that's what I said and which is why I said something to saratoga
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20:47:14redictavlwhi i did a clean install from latest build and everthing works fine now thanks again for the help
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20:47:47gibbon_another question about the clip+ ... is it normal that audio is unavailable during charging? even in OF? ... i just hear a repeating "click" while the firmware looks like it is playing the audio normally?
20:47:57psycho_maniacWhich patches are likely to be included in the main build? I would like to help test
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20:48:41gibbon_(i think the power source just applies 5V without USB negotiation)
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20:48:46wilberfannone of the nested files on my Sansa e270 will display inside RB....
20:48:55wilberfanthey show up when I plug it into the computer...
20:49:16wilberfani've reinstalled RB, recopied the files...
20:49:37wilberfanit started with some kind of memory error (?) while trying to start a game...
20:50:36saratogagibbon_: you can charge and play music at the same time, see the manual
20:51:19gibbon_saratoga: i don't mean automated reboot to OF...
20:51:30gibbon_just to make sure you know what i am talking about
20:51:39saratogai think you mean charge and play music at the same time
20:52:15AlexPpsycho_maniac: There isn't a list
20:52:23saratogapsycho_maniac: check the mailing list and see if anyone asked for testing
20:52:38gibbon_yes... as well in OF and Rockbox i see the device playing (as in time counting upwards and stuff) but i hear static noise
20:52:47gibbon_did not read about that in the manual
20:52:53kugeldo we really need all those Plugin* pages on the wiki?
20:53:49saratogagibbon_: what are you charging with?
20:53:56saratogayou shouldn't hear noise
20:53:58kugelthey seem pretty useless to me, as the manual is usually more complete and up-to-date in that regard
20:54:02psycho_maniacgibbon: you noticed that too?
20:54:46gibbon_saratoga: i am using a car charger - i don't know for sure but i don't think it acts as US host but just applies 5V to Vcc and GND of the USB port
20:54:47psycho_maniacone guy updated all the plugin pages on the wiki
20:54:59saratogagibbon_: i assume this is with the car on?
20:55:40gibbon_saratoga: does not matter ... the noise does not come from the car itself... i know that noise, too though ;)
20:56:06saratogaif you get noise charging, its probably from the charger
20:56:32gibbon_saratoga: the audio that should be plaing is not there though ... not even faint
20:57:27saratogabut it works when you disconnect the charger?
20:57:41gibbon_saratoga: i will try using a normal usb cable and a computer, trying if its "visible" then
20:58:15gibbon_saratoga: immediately after unplugging the charger, audio returns
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20:59:10gibbon_i suspected a strange GND problem since the player usually connects to my car stereo... but its the same with headphones
20:59:20gevaertskugel: in my opinion, no. Most of them should go
20:59:43gibbon_saratoga: i will also keep a watch on that ... and report back i suppose
21:00:11saratogaprobably a busted charger
21:00:44gibbon_its doing its job at least...
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21:01:05gibbon_but as I said... i will try some other power sources
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21:02:40gibbon_i don't think its a software issue, definately some hardware issue... but i wanted to check if someone else noticed, too
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21:05:12CIA-81New commit by 03Buschel (r28079): Correct autocorrelation function in libfaad. It used the wrong fract part for the multiplication macros. Introduce appropriate solution to avoid ...
21:06:32Buschelsaratoga: I've found the root cause for the strange code section in libfaad (as you can see from the commit :)
21:07:09CIA-81r28079 build result: All green
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21:10:35kugelBuschel: the comments say shift by 2*exp, the code does 4*exp ?
21:11:42Buschelkugel: comment is false :(
21:11:52Buschelwill change this with a future commit
21:12:00Buschelthanks for the note
21:16:49gibbon_thanks... i will report back after i tested something
21:17:07gibbon_would be nice if it was just me or my charger ;)
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21:18:12CIA-81New commit by 03Buschel (r28080): Correct comment.
21:19:15CIA-81r28080 build result: All green
21:20:35pixelmasome manuals are currently wrong wrt included plugins though :\
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21:22:51wilberfanwhat would cause rockbox folders to appear empty in RB, but show files when the device is plugged in to my computer?
21:23:11wilberfanI can't play any of my files−−because all the folders appear empty!
21:23:13pixelmawhat's your "show files" setting?
21:23:39pixelmamaybe you accidentally changed it to "Playlists" or so
21:23:44wilberfanuh oh. didn't even know there WAS one of those! (D'oh!) I'm copying files back...I'll check in a second...
21:24:28wilberfani got some kind of memory error while trying to start a game...when i restarted the device...all the folders appeared empty...
21:24:50wilberfanwould a memory error change that 'show files' setting? (or COULD it?)
21:25:59pixelmaI doubt it
21:26:58AlexPIt is most likely because it is on the quick screen and easy to change accidently
21:27:21AlexPWe still need to decide what setting to replace that with :)
21:28:15wilberfancuz i was listening to a podcast, decided to play a game (waiting to get my hair cut)... when i tried to load the game, i got some kind of memory error...
21:28:19wilberfanturned off the device...
21:28:27wilberfanrestarted...and all the folders appeared empty...
21:28:37wilberfanI thought they were gone−−not just not being displayed...
21:29:30wilberfanI didn't change any settings during that scenario...
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21:31:03CIA-81New commit by 03Buschel (r28081): Fix scaling error that was introduced with r28069. With this fix the level of the hf-spectrum will be correct when decoding aac-he files.
21:31:15wilberfanbut, thanks to pixelma ! I double-checked my 'show files' setting, and the files are back! :)
21:32:56CIA-81r28081 build result: All green
21:34:53pixelmayou got the same answer in the forum ;)
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21:44:40CIA-81New commit by 03wodz (r28082): Add icon for MPIO HD200 in download section FS #11177 by Marko Pahkle
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21:47:13wodzMay I ask to update playerpics dir on www server?
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21:53:17CIA-81New commit by 03Buschel (r28083): Also correct autocorrelation for yet undefined SBR_LOW_POWER. Unify FIXED_POINT and FLOAT implementation.
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22:00:07bertrikdo we have the data sheet of the wm codec that's in the ipod nano 1g?
22:01:29bertrikhm, I think several of the wolfson micro codecs have basically the same register layout
22:02:06bertrikI do have the datasheet for the wm8971 (ipod nano 1g uses the wm8975)
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22:03:10wodzas far as I remember there is no public datasheet for wm8975
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22:03:45wodzand yes wm codecs are very similar within single family.
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22:07:05wodzbertrik: but ipod nano 1g is stable port isn't it?
22:10:18bertrikso, everything works perfectly ? :P
22:11:41wodzthere is always room for improvement :-)
22:12:24bertrikwodz, I suspect that the fm remote might not work on the nano 1g because of a missing audiohw_set_monitor implementation for the codec in the nano 1g
22:13:03wodzthat's possible
22:14:27wodzif you see analog mixer section in wm8971 it is probably present in 8975 too
22:15:02bertrikyes, that's what I'm looking into
22:16:36wodzthe easiest route would be to hook i2c analyzer and catch OF commands to codec with fm remote
22:17:25pamauryfunman (for logs): can you try for amsv2 usb ? It seems to works better with it. It simpliy restart on the driver when there are several resets for a single connection. Perhaps it might be a temporary solution if it works. On my computer, I've not been able to break it
22:17:47bertrikNo, I don't think so. The person with this problem probably doesn't know how to do that.
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22:24:31wodzwow - adaptive bass function the same as in wm8750/51
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22:26:06CIA-81New commit by 03Buschel (r28084): More unification of FIXED_POINT and FLOAT. Small refactoring.
22:27:20*Buschel loves macros :)
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22:27:39wodzbertrik: you may look at wm8751.c - the way analog mixing is done in wm8971 (and 8975 probably) is almost the same
22:27:54CIA-81r28084 build result: All green
22:27:59*bluebrother throws a macro hell at Buschel :)
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23:28:20DarminatorI have a possible bug to report but I don't want to register: Attempting to change the case of a file (eg fred.txt to Fred.txt) comes back with a 'rename failed' message. e200v2 r27817-100814, but this has been an issue for a while.
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