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Posted 12/01/2012

I actually did read that book out of morbid curiousity. What I got from it was a child being exploited by his father. Basically, you can take everything Due2012 said in the other religion post about brainwashing and propaganda and apply it to Heaven is For Real (yo). Harmless anecdotes give me the eye-rolls, but they don't bother me. If it makes you feel good to believe the story about the guy being saved by an image of the cross, that's great. But I draw the line at exploiting children. YOU need to research things independently and decide for yourself if you think they are true. Just sayin.

Now, back to the actual question. DH and I were in the car almost 1200 miles last week for Holiday travels and we had a long talk about all of this. His reasoning for not being an atheist is that the universe had to come from somewhere. You can't say the Big Bang, because that's just an event. Honestly, I have no answer for this, but being agnostic I've accepted the fact that I never will. My question to him was, are God and the afterlife mutually exclusive? I think modern religion has tied them together to the point where we can't think about one without the other, but I also think it's possible we will exist beyond death even if god doesn't or vice versa. Maybe that's wishful thinking because I certainly don't believe in the omnipotent God that has control in our lives, and I am deathly afraid of dying (see what I did there).





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Posted 12/01/2012
I'm with a PP (sorry, not sure who) that me not believeing in an afterlife takes the pressure off.

This is it. This is what I have. So I try to drink in every smile, never turn down a hug or kiss from my loved ones, laugh a lot, and just try to not leave things worse than when I got it.

There isn't a man with a clipboard giving me pluses and minuses. I get to own every choice I make and learn from every mistake. It's freeing.


~Lemony Snicket

nessa226 · Original Poster
Posted 12/01/2012
I wasn't asking Jesus Freaks to tell me about what they think about this issue. You people tell us everyday! Plus, I grew up in a fanatical Christian household. I definitely know what you guys believe.

The thing that's ironic is, is that believing in God is supposed to bring peace and comfort, but the other side of that is, is that there's a he'll and demons also.

As a child (and even now for that matter), I was terrified of demons. it was awful!!!

As far as Heaven is concerned, you should be a good person because it's the right thing to do. You should follow that inner compass inside us that is our conscience, the thing that tells us right from wrong. If there is a heaven, that's how we should get in. Not because out of 7 billion people in the world, we just happened to be the ones who believed in the "right" god. What about all of the Buddists who live peaceful, good lives but they don't believe in Jesus as their savior, they are going to burn in Hell??? I call bullshit on that. If there is a god, I would prefer to think of him to have some logic and fairness.

Let's not let this get ugly! It was an honest question. My brother is an Athiest but he has no children, so I couldn't ask him.



Posted 12/01/2012
Its the old conundrum-

You say god is omnipotent and benevolent.

But there is still evil.

If he can stop evil, but doesn't- he's omnipotent but malevolent.

If he wants to stop evil but can't- he's impotent, but benevolent.

If he truly is both- why is there evil?

I have had deep (well kinda) with my incredibly devote friend. And whenever we hit that she gets really mad. "Well- people have free will!"

Me- Free will is great- but then why give god the credit when things go well? We either get all of the credit or none of it. God is either in everything or he isn't. Pick.

And round and round we go. No one is ever going to change my mind. I'm not going to change the mind of anyone who believes. You have your faith, I have mine. Can't we all just get along?

Oh- and PP? "Let ye among you without sin cast the first stone". "Judge not lest ye shall be judged". It's your book- not mine.


~Lemony Snicket

Posted 12/01/2012
Bristamom-As Good As It Gets. Love that movie :)

Two philosophies that pretty much sum up my beliefs are that I don't believe in anything until I see it and I don't care what you do unless it's directly hurting me, someone I care about, or someone or something innocent. I know that's kid of oversimplifying and leaving things open to many different interpretations, but it's the best I've got.

I went to catholic school for 12 years. And I went thought a short period where I thought all of the religious stuff was great, but now that I'm older and have some perspective I know that for me it was all about feeling like part of a community of like-minded people. I still think having a community like that is important, and if I didn't have that in other places in my life I might turn to the church to find it.

I first started doubting the existence of heaven and hell when I thought about the whole god vs satan thing. It didn't make sense to me that satan would put so much effort into winning people away from god and then punish them for all eternity. Wouldn't it make more sense for hell to be a big party? :)

Anyhow, my DH and I aren't religious but wr respect people who are (as in we try not to hold it against them). I plan to let LO explore religion if she wants to, but also to be honest with her about my ideas about organized religion. The only thing that worries me is that it's easy to say that now when she's little. Idk how I'll feel if she end up having values that are completely different from mine. Maybe just sad...
nessa226 · Original Poster
Posted 12/01/2012
That's true. And how can God be given the credit for healing a child with cancer while another child with cancer dies? Does God pick who He heals? Does one set of parents pray harder than the other? Did one get more "likes" on Facebook? I absolutely 100% do not believe that God has his hand in anything on earth. It just wouldn't make sense to say God is a loving and fair god but then he chooses who dies and who doesn't.

A 7 year old kid who went to my church got hit by a car when I was younger. Those religious nuts told his mom that he either died because he was going to grow up to be a horrible person, or the parents had evil in their lives, OR they didn't pray correctly. How does anyone tell a grieving mother that? Or to say it was part of His plan? There isn't a plan. I just don't believe that.



Posted 12/01/2012
The true test of a mans character is what he does when no one is watching
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Posted 12/01/2012

I don't thikn hell/heaven are any LESS likely to exist because we don't believe in them.

I guess I am not part of the "comfortable to not know" group.

Wish I could be. Obviously I cannot be comfortable with anything :/, guess that is part of my makeup.



Posted 12/01/2012
Wow...I wasn't pushing anything on you all. Its your choice. LOL...I cannot believe everyone is so angry over this. Call me a Jesus freak. I'm NOT ashamed! He will be the one to judge. Not me. And so what if I use the phrase "just sayin". WHO CARES! WOW...some people are crazy.

Mommy to angel baby...5/1/2010.....and anxiously waiting for our baby boy, Landon, due on January 5th, 2012!  :)

Posted 12/01/2012

Here's the thing btrfly - this was a discussion asking questions of atheists.  So me being a Christian I wouldn't put my two cents in.  Definitely not appropriate for this thread. I'm under the school of thought that you can't change anyones mind simply by saying something like that.  A believer's mind is already made up as is a non-believer.  Kind of along the same lines as a politicial thread.  I also respect the differences of religion and opinion and would never try to place my views on someone unless they specifically asked, which was NOT the case here.  So it comes of as well a little pushy....more than a little.  Just being honest with you. 


Me (31) + DH (31)  - Married since 2002

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