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Posted 10/04/2012
Most of the docs I know have indicated they will not participate in universal healthcare and will just see patients who can pay. Most dermatologists in my state are already like that, they refuse to file any insurance at all. You pay for your visit and if you want to file your own insurance they'll give you the receipt to do it but they don't fool with insurance of any kind.
I would guess that a lot of current docs would move to that type of a system and then you would have the people who can afford to pay getting better care and the docs on universal plan would be the newbies or docs with bad reputations.
Posted 10/04/2012
UH would limit competition. Competition leads to innovation. I don't know about most of you but I think innovation is a good thing.
Posted 10/04/2012
I agree with PP. and most innovation in the medical field comes from our country! No one else!

Also, the US is ranked 37th largely due to the astonishing # of preventable diseases here (obesity being # 1). Will UH solve that? It's definitely something that needs to be addressed bit is UH the answer? At some point we need to take responsibility and figure that out.
Posted 10/04/2012
Health care is a right, not a privilege. By saying that people don't deserve to have health care if they can't afford it (it would be impossible to pay for it if you make minimum wage), is the same as saying that they don't deserve to live.

Oh, you have cancer? And you can't afford health insurance? Not my problem. You should've thought about that before you got cancer.

That's what I imagine when people say they're against paying for other people's insurance.

And let's not forget the fact that if you didn't have insurance before you were diagnosed, there isn't an insurance company in the country that would take you, because of your pre existing condition.

Everyone deserves a fair shot at life. I can't afford health insurance, I'm a hard worker, and I have to go on state health insurance to cover prenatal care. And my baby will have to be covered under state insurance, too. But after I deliver, I won't have insurance anymore. What if I get diagnosed with a life threatening disease? I'm shit out of luck and my son would grow up without a mother.

Who are you to say that anyone deserves that? Or that you don't care because you don't believe in having to pay for someone else's care.

Police service, firefighting, even the postal service, those are all publicly funded programs. They're not privatized. And no one complains about that. But yet something so important as health care, God forbid we make that publicly funded.


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Posted 10/04/2012
Police and fire are on the line of public goods. There would be a lack of funding and too many free riders. Those are not even close to healthcare.
seharsam · Original Poster
Posted 10/04/2012

Kallie you are being all emotional about it. Honestly, at one point I was like that too. Yes, we cannot make everyone buy the same food. We SHOULD not. But still everyone has the right to healthcare. Can you not imagine a time when you might NOT be able to work as a nurse? If God forbid u develop a problem that needs care beyond your reach? Everyone in universal healthcare pays a percentage of their income, and yes ur share might be more than some and less than some. Don't be emotional about it and think about it in a rational manner. What about your kids, your grand kids and our generations. Or are we selfish enough to not look beyond today?

Posted 10/04/2012
I'm for it, and for those of you who think your not paying for everyone's care as it is are wrong. When people get really sick, they have an entrance to the system even without insurance. The ER. And they get treated there. They have surgery and sometimes lengthy hospital stays. Do they pay the bill, no because they can't. Sure it can be turned over to collections and the courts for garnishment of what. What if they have no job or it doesn't pay enough. Because contrary to what SN Kelli said you CANNOT get medicaid in most states just because you don't have a job. In my previous state (just moved) a person had to have: a documented disability AND have been out of work for 6 months because of it AND have less than 5,000 in assets (assets not money). Yes those are ANDs they had to meet them all. Or be pg and low income, why because they'll be covering the baby, but thy only covers maternity.
So they've been to the hospital and had the surgery. Don't pay the bill, well the hospital and doctors now have to charge higher amounts to cover for the care that was not payed for and as a result you will pay more, both in fees and insurance premiums because they will pass it on to you. Oh and states have hospitals that they subsidize because they are public hospitals. I worked at one. My patients would tell me that they came to my hospital because they didn't have any money. They had no intention of paying the bill quite often because they couldn't. The other problem is that by the time they show up to the hospital they are VERY sick but they didn't have to be, but they didn't have access to a PCP so now our bill is even larger. So our patient goes home. Due to lack of regular healthcare and as a result quite a bit of ignorance to self care our patient develops a post op infection and is readmitted. For another expensive stay at the expense of you and me.
If we can have a system to get all people access to early preventative care and health education much of this could be stopped. And don't be fooled, you' re paying for it already.

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Posted 10/04/2012

Those in Canada and similar countries. What happens to your special needs kids? Cerbral Palsy, Trisomies, etc. COSTLY health care.... with I- hate to say it- things where they are not able to bring back to society tax wise later on.


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Last edited 10/04/2012

I've never considered healthcare a right and I can't believe I'm even bothering to respond to this. I know no one will agree with me. But this is a capitalist country... you gamble your financial well being with decisions you make every day. Where you work, who you marry, how many kids you have, where you live, what you decide to make payments on etc. In the end, if you lose at the money game, then you'll most likely lose your life earlier than other people due to lack of funds for super yummy healthcare. I'm poor and have accepted that I won't get medical help, I'll likely get cancer like most the people in my family, and die at home like most the people in my family... big deal, we all lose in the end. I pay out of pocket, and once I get an expensive enough illness, I'll just have to suck it up and die, because it isn't worth the trouble of asking for help. In the meantime, this subject won't get brought up in front of my children as I don't want them getting all depressed.

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^first of all, if you are going to school to be a nurse and that is your attitude, and you care more about the money then I think you should reconsider your career choice. You have to actually CARE about your patients...regardless of what and who they are. Guess what? My mom has a very bad disease that makes her disabled. She weighs 120 pounds...NOT obese, but she can't work, and she doesn't have fancy things. Her entire disability goes to pills, and copays...so thank you for saying such ignorant things.

Second, I am a health care worker in a rehab hospital. I have seen someone with a dense stroke get sent home by an HMO in a week, and someone with a broken wrist get to stay for 3 months...ALL based on insurance. It's disgusting, and it is sad to do such an injustice...to take rehab away from people who really need it...for fucking money. Not sure I am 100% for universal health care, but I do believe people should be treated the same regardless of their insurance. As a health care worker, when I treat a patient, i give them what they need to the best of my ability....regardless of their insurance.

My husband is from a country with universal health care. I have countless stories about the atrocities he has seen/experienced. The latest being that his grandfather went to the hospital for a rash and sat in isolation for WEEKS, just to be told he has an allergy to the new pill he was on. His other grandfather died at 60 years old from cancer. They told him he was too old to treat for cancer, and sent him home to die. Sounds great


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