9:27 pm HKT
Jun 15, 2012

China Real Time

Forced-Abortion Outrage Fuels China Suspensions

    • so bad human rights。。。。

    • forget western media come to shanghai or zhenzhen then you will allow to get second and third child ahahahaha

    • Americans have late Abortions all the time and there are no pictures for outrage here

    • Does Biden agree with this too

    • This is nothing less than murder. The Chinese people need to rise up and throw off their oppressive government.

    • the key word here is "forced". You are an idiot. How funny indeed

    • this is human right violation of the highest order,HOW COME IN A DEVELOPED COUNTRY LIKE CHINA?those culprit should be executed in broad day light as example to the other who may try to repeat such atrocities,it has never even happen in Somalia ,a country with no human right record,if Chinese authorities cant punish them just refer them to Mogadishu,they will taught a good lesson.

    • To make everyone feel better, the aborted baby will not go to waste. We will process it into sex enhancing drug.

    • And this is the kind of government the NYTimes and MSNBC pines for? Disgusting.

    • RR is still right... Communist China remains an evil empire. Just think, every cheap tire / toy / chair / cellphone pays to force a mother into killing her child. What a sick, sick world.

    • And we demonize Muslims!

      Next time you buy a Chiese product or order take-out...think about these baby-Nazis

    • What's happening to journalism? Not until late in the article does the author provide context that Chinese families are allowed one child. And even then it's a vague "didn't qualify to have a second child." Are these writers who don't understand the first rule of journalism just internet amateurs contributing major news? Couldn't be properly trained journalism students. And what are the editors at The Wall Street Journal doing? Sleeping at their desks?

    • To the idiot that said the key word is forced in an obvious attempt to differentiate between this and late term abortions in America, the key word is in both cases an innocent life was taken. The mother is not the victim, the dead child is you moron.

    • It will also help flavor your favorite Pepsi products

    • This article doesn't make sense. From my understanding you can only get a shot of "poison" to induce abortion in the first trimester. Abortions late in the second trimester and beyond are all surgical operations. The further along in the pregnancy the more complicated the surgery. (doctors don't recommend third trimester abortions due to safety issues.) Secondly, I've lived in China for 10+ years and have never heard of a person being forced to have an abortion. People that do have multiple children can not pay the fine, but the kid doesn't get a hukou, which essentially means that they have to pay out of pocket for schooling and aren't eligible for medical/social security benefits. What the western media doesn't highlight is the fact that nearly 100% of chinese people agree with the one child policy. Chinese people that are both only children can have a second child without paying the fine provided that they wait something like 5 years for the second child. (I have yet to meet anyone that has decided to have a second child though) The real difference between the US and China is that in china you essentially need to be married in order to have a child. If a chinese woman thinks that she is pregnant she goes to the hospital and has a checkup. If the woman wants to have an abortion, the same doctor will schedule the abortion. If the woman wants to have the child, she then has to book an appointment in a different department. In order to be accepted into the department, the woman then has to come up with a marriage certificate. If she is not married, the woman will not be admitted and she will presumably either get married or have an abortion.

    • @David
      WSJ journalists will laugh at you if you are too serious about what they wrote.

      I think China should impose the lottery system for people who want 2nd child but don't qualify. If you wait 5 years and still don't win the lottery, you are automatically qualify for the 2nd Child.

      Hmmm, sounds better than US immigration system?

    • I hope Mayor Bloomberg doesn't get any ideas from this article. He might start banning more than one child in New York City, because of the (mental & physical) health of the mother, and the negative impact on the environment.

    • Go check out the frecking pictures on weibo or sina and the confirmation from Ankang government for yourself you idiot. Why such a great country is now populated by so many evil individuals like you?

    • It is time to allow 2nd and 3rd child in China. It is ridiculous to reduce their own population while the whole world breed like crazy.

    • And here is yet another case, this time in Linyi, Shandong, where the blind lawyer was from: http://ww2.sinaimg.cn/large/a515921fgw1dtyx6b6dg0j.jpg , a 9 months fetus forcibly induced. I assume you can read Chinese you a$$hole so go check it out for yourself.


    • The couple should seek out Chen Guangcheng, recent resident of New York, to take the case as he has hundreds of such illegal abortion cases in Linyi, before that local government had the 'Barefoot Lawyer' illegally imprisoned for fighting against such illegal acts by local officials in China!

      Then again, the CCP may just do the same routine.........................arrest the family, the lawyer..........................and wait for the hoopla to die-down and re-post those officials to another post.......................in another city.......................................in mainland China!

    • This article is so biased in every way and does not tell the complete truth about the story. (although I do agree in journalism, a murder-centric article always gets the job done but goes against all morals of journalism)

      Okay, what this article doesn't tell you:

      1. In China, you cannot give birth without a marriage certificate, which their certificate was flawed because the women misreported her age when she did it, so think twice about what she's saying.

      2. If you have a rural 'hukou', you're qualified for the 5 year-legal birth rule, which unfortunately she has an urban 'hukou'. This is very relevant to what I'm about to say next.

      3. The birth-control committee has known her pregnancy since the baby was 3 months old. So what they're basically saying is pay the fine,make up the documents and do the procedure you have missed then move your hukou to the rural and we'll refund the fine to you; because then it becomes legit. So in the end, it's a way better and convenient option for everybody.

      4. Even if she doesn't want to do so, she can pay the fine and all's well for her and her baby.

      THE ABOVE POLICIES OF BIRTH CONTROL ARE ALL **FACTS**. I do not believe people can make good judgement without knowing all the facts in an event.

      Now comes my 'personal' opinion and analysis:

      the million-dollar question is, how come she hasn't payed the fine in 4 months? giving the fact that it's her baby and she's suppose the one person who loves this baby the most.

      First of all, in rural area, boys are a million time better and important than girls. (I''m not going to go in detail to explain why). That's why you get these news of abandoned babies where the majority of them are girls. Her first baby was indeed a girl..I guess that's the motivation for having a second child.

      I believe the only reason she didn't pay the fine in four months is because she doesn't have the money, but that's all fine because she had 4 months time to prepare the money and she has already borrowed about 60K for their house. It wouldn't be a bad choice at all since the money was going to get refunded to her after she moved her 'hukou'. So why didn't she move her 'hukou'? it's because in China, everybody that came out of the rural area wants an urban 'hukou'. so it only leaves one option, pay the fine and have the baby.

      At almost 7 months old, you could already tell if it's a boy or a girl, my guess is that she knew it was a girl so she went along for the abortion; because they're not gonna stop until they have a boy. She can pay the fine for the girl, and then what? wait another 5 years to have a boy? pay another 40K fine for a boy; altogether 80k? not to mention they were already in a 60K housing debt.

      So my final conclusion of the whole thing is that things would never have came to such circumstances had she been a responsible mother. I think they were playing the lottery with this baby knowingly that they didn't qualify, nor was going to pay any money.

      People talk about human rights, but how about the human right of the baby? When the mother herself wouldn't even want to give up her urban 'hukou' or pay 40K for her own baby, how in the world will the baby girl's human right be guaranteed after she is born into this world?

      Yes, the rich has better advantage when it comes to policy, but doesn't it everywhere? at least the rich is willing to pay money for their child to be born into this world and have the strength to support the child for a good life, toys and education for the next 24 years.

      BUT..does this justify forced abortion? OF COURSE NOT! but, do you still believe that it was a forced abortion? 7-month pregnancy, can an abortion be done without the mother's consent? perhaps yes, but that would risk 2 lives, in which I don't think any birth-control committee has the balls to take that kind of risk. After all, they're just getting payed to do their job, they're not freaking martyrs.

      And can you imagine a 7-month pregnant women being taken away without any family member knowing it? unless she was a homeless, but that's what the family is claiming. And guess who gets payed after posing the picture online?

      It's so convenient and easy for people like you and me to talk about human rights after we have climbed Maslow's hierarchy of needs. But for people like them, who has 60K in debt in the rural area, earning total family income of 4K/month; the perceived value and importance of things in life are completely different.

    • While the situation is tragic, the couple knew the One Child Policy and the consequences, but chose to flout the law. Although some families do have 2 kids, but they could bear the financial consequences. If any financially-strapped couples can have a second child as they please, it would just set a precedence for the rest of the population to do the same. A country with 1.3b people and only 1/3 the arable land of the US simply cannot sustain the type of population growth in places like the US.

    • The thing is, people in and around the system tolerate evil deeds big and small in the name of patriotism, and make excuses left and right to talk away the responsibilities, that they truly lost their sense of what's right and wrong. Between the first female Chinese astronaut soon to reach the orbit and the poor peasant woman who has her child murdered by the authority, the country with a great future is being ripped apart.

    • Their breaking the law does not justify the criminal deeds of the local authority. Unless you believe life such as your very own is worth that same 40k RMB.

    • I do not condone what the local authorities did. It was right to punish them. If the fine was $100m, would that make you feel more precious? The bottom line is everyone needs to make personal sacrifices for the country.

    • When Europeans first came to America, they didn't force abortion. They simply killed the cows, I mean the buffalos and Indians.

    • Forced abortions is the result of five thousand years of Chinese culture.

    • Voice your outrage here and move along. The U.S. isn't going to do squat about this. It's an issue for the Chinese to deal with. Tomorrow morning we'll all be shopping at Walmart for cheap Chinese imports as usual. So much for moral outrage.

    • Many people in China are used to this sort of thing. happens all the time, you either learn to do nothing about it or face reprisals from corrupt officials.

      Tomorrow I'll be eating congee for breakfast like everyone else in our motherland!

    • There's just no shame in China at all.

      According to mainland Chinese law, it's illegal to abort a baby at seven months development yet, these officials 'FORCED' this woman to undergo this terrible procedure!

      The citizens of mainland China have every right to be outraged!

    • I see fancy buildings in Beijing and Shanghai, I ride high speed trains, I see pictures of J-20 stealth fighters, new aircraft carriers, I read about cases after cases of official corruption, how dare you ask this poor peasant woman to "make personal sacrifices for the country"? which son or daughter did you personally sacrificed for the country? Don't you care spewing these evil cliches you low life.

    • Unless this is an OFFICIAL POLICY of the PRC,
      1. EXCEPTIONAL CASE like this is no different from any heinous crime committed in the West.
      2. The official is arrested and being charged.
      3. China needs more investigative journalists.
      4. You cannot hide such CRIMES when there are more than 600 million Chinese netizen browsing the net.
      5. Prove that China is still not ready to apply FULL DEMOCRACY and its citizens need to be educate about FREEDOM and NOT ABUSE IT.
      6. 1-Child policy can be LIFTED TOMORROW if USA is prepared to accepted the 500 million surplus Chinese in the MAINLAND in order for the remaining Chinese to have BIGGER FAMILY.
      I recommended that they exported all half-educated one e.g. Chai Ling, Chen Quangcheng, etc.

    • @Anonymous wrote:
      I see fancy buildings in Beijing and Shanghai, I ride high speed trains, I see pictures of J-20 stealth fighters, new aircraft carriers, I read about cases after cases of official corruption, how dare you ask this poor peasant woman to “make personal sacrifices for the country”? which son or daughter did you personally sacrificed for the country? Don’t you care spewing these evil cliches you low life.

      A CRIME is a CRIME whether it is committed by EVIL OFFICIAL or EVIL people on the street and unrelated to those things you described.
      In most cases many in the West are not comfort by the facts that sentences mete out to the rich are so linear compare with that of the have-not e.g. Black American in USA sentence to 15 years in jail for stealing USD100 yes ONE HUNDRED DOLLAR! Man released after spending 30 years in jail for murdering his wife. His wife is now found and remarried. Western Justice is not PERFECT as you think.
      Western Propaganda are:
      Example; West reported that Russia is supplying ATTACK HELICOPTERS to ASSAD! Yesterday Russia DENIED it and considered it a Western FALSE FLAG like the attack on the USA Ship in Vietnam that started the NAM WAR in the 60s. Chai Ling now works for NED, a CIA FRONT.
      Using Christianity as her innocent COVER UP. What a LOWLIFE, she is?

    • This is policy of CPP to abort unborn child and make the fetus tablets and sell it for profit.
      All Chinese eat these tablets as health tablets. Basically they are unborn human eater.
      Since I read about those tablets in Korean news I stop going to Chinese restaurant.
      Don't every trust Chinese

    • You, are the evil one. The obfuscation does not work. It's obvious you are the kind who would not hesitate to pull the fetus out with your filthy hands.

    • Isn't birth control available there ? Wasn't she aware that she was pregnant earlier ? Why did she wait so long to get an abortion ?

    • .75 cent poster or Ooda wrote:
      Don’t every trust Chinese

      It is the policy of USA to wipe off every NON AMERICAN from the surface of the earth and you BELIEVE that.
      No wonder you are an IDIOT!

    • OODA loop STAT is result of failed abortion, hence has some congenital brain damage. The verbose trace is evident. You'all can tell, can you?





      **Pray for the people of China**

    • Instead, you have the moral center of US, representing the highest authority of all, Catholic Church; that condones and actually supports child rapists.

      And instead of helping your own children, you are here to bash China. That's why there are so many gays and cannibals in the US. You reap what you sow.

    • You wumaos don't even care about your fellow Chinese.

      What a bunch of losers !

    • No, we don't. Because caring in your language apparently means raping and eating people.

    • Since cannibal are running wild in USA, American must be all CANNIBAL, frightening, isn't it?
      These American will soon adopted HEAD HUNTING as a national culture.
      That is why RACIST Lorne Smith and Ooda is saying, ALL CHINESE are this and that based on a single isolated story from god knows where, China is so HUGE and so many people?

      In NON COMMUNIST India, if a low caste is raped, first the police will not accepted her report, next the Brahmin caste rapist will simply cremated her alive with kerosene and VERDICT: Stove FIRE: END OF STORY.

    • What a world we live in, that's why I love my 6 dogs and 3 cat and they are all fixed. I the world needs to keep women from having children then the men have to stand up and get fixed. Why is just a women's problem. This has been going since time of man. Ofter one child or 2 get fixed if you can't feed your self then you do not need a child to suffer. I an sure this man and women had a farm to live off from. SAD SAD SAD WORILD OF MANKIND.


    • The Book of Genesis: 'mankind is made in God's holy image;' Exodus: 'you shall not murder.' This is an outrage against all humanity!! China must ban its one child policy and the U.S. must re-think abortion laws, except in extreme situations that must be left to God and the family to decide.

    • Look at all the 5maoCCPprosstitutes coming here to spout off the party line, aren;t you just a shameful bunch

      5maoall losing Chinese face on international boards, go back andlick your masters boots dogs!

    • looks like the usual pack of paid chinese posters are here, bet they loove cadre wang

    • I am not paid. I am posting here because I enjoy watching the China bashers struggle with high school level history, middle school put downs, and elementary logic.


    • Forced abortions in China?

      How about Forced castrations!

    • Pathetic. It is so obvious that male government power lacks intelligence and fears female life-giving power. Male power mongers will do anything - including murder - to supress female power. Continual suppression of female power will eventually bring down an entire civilization. Empowering women will ensure the strength and survival of a civilization. The muderers will all pay . . . sooner or later. May the murderers - government administrators, medical technicians all - all suffer with guilt, regret, and alienation and die slow, emotional and mental deterioration and slow miserable natural deaths.

    • OUCH ! ! !

    • now sina commies became all mankind's worst enemy !
      Annihilate this harmful enemy !

    • @Alicia
      Thanks for the background info. Stories are not always what they appear to be. I wish our journalists would raise their bar a little, specially for WSJ. Nowadays, more and more of them just chase after the shocking effect. It's a loss for readers.

    • The Chinese comsume baby foetuses as medicine!

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