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Fiji Water Founder: Washington Is ‘Killing’ Entrepreneurs

    • You can't fight city hall when death and taxes are inevitable. That's a rational expectation. In the long run, we can do less about death than taxes, but the resolve to do so isn't widespread enough -- yet? Yeah, Washington is killing entrepreneurs, . . . well actually, Washington is killing nearly everything that made America great.

    • Right, that is what Congress vs. Progress meaning.

    • you play a mean guitar dude

    • No problem, Mr. Gilmour. The last thing we need is another company like Fiji water. The bottles used are the heaviest and most wasteful of all bottled water. About 75% of bottled water empties end up in landfills, fuel is wasted making and transporting a commodity that is just as good for most of us free from the tap.

    • There's simply no evidence that the problem today is that taxes and regulations are particularly more onerous than they were at the peak of the bubble, just before things collapsed due to lack of regulation.

      The problem is lack of demand, pure and simple. And that's not because we aren't nice enough to "job creators" (Republican code for billionaires), it's because corporations and the very most wealthy have all the cash and the consumers have all the debt. This guy surely can't be so dumb he doesn't know that; I think he's just figuring this is as good a time as any to say whatever it takes to lower his own tax bill and be allowed to do whatever he likes, ignoring externalities (like all of his water bottles in landfills.)

      He's not looking out for the country, he's looking out for himself. Hey, that's what capitalists do! Nothing wrong with that, but you shouldn't believe every word of it.

    • I wonder how many companies and jobs Ms. Nicloe Hamilton ever produced. Same old mantra,tits the fault of the rich. I guess the engines of the economy: read entreprenuers, will wait it out til the country goes thru the necessary catharsis to change her kind of thinking.

    • Fiji water is the most environmentally irresponsible bottled water product on the planet....NICE!

    • What a crock. You're using this forum as a podium for Gilmour to spot his own politics without giving any evidence. Could you please actually interview like a journalist next time and ask a couple sharp questions to get some substance underneath your headline?

    • If you wonder what I've done, Larry, it's not that hard to find out: I'm an entrepreneur myself, having created a little software business selling a product I wrote and continue to update. Okay, I'm not rich and it is a small business, but I work hard, I produce a product my customers like, it has supported me and my family and I did it on my own. And when I hit hard times, there's no unemployment safety net for me. I take the risk.

      Now, just for comparison purposes, what have you done?

    • This article really hits home. A couple acquaintances of mine try'd to break out and start their own companies. Within months, they'd both been shut down for various regulatory violations. Also, the onerous taxes made it impossible to turn a profit. Entrepreneurship is not the guaranteed riches that it once was

    • I have started 4 companies including one which employed well over 100 people. There is no greater regulatory impediment to starting a company today than when I started my 1st company back in 1979. The economy is the biggest success factor for start-ups and Congress has done nothing to boost the economy.

    • My friends are starting a children's clothing company and have found all of these regulations about the chemicals and the removability of the buttons used to be ridiculous. Who cares if a kid dies from my clothes? The free market will bring that kid back to life.

    • David, entrepreneurship has NEVER offered guaranteed riches! When I meet people thinking of starting a business, my advice always includes this tidbit: Don't do it unless you would do it even you never made more at it than at a regular job because it probably won't happen, certainly not as fast you're probably hoping, and if that's the only reason you're doing it, you'll give up and fail. Don't do it for the money. Do it because you love it. That's the only thing that will give you the stamina to keep going when the going gets tough -- and it will.

      In the case of your acquaintances who tried and failed, if they actually got shut down for regulatory violations, this sounds like incompetence and wishful thinking. Who starts a business without doing some research on it (including any laws or regulations you'll have to abide by) first? I spent an entire year planning my escape.

      And what's this nonsense about onerous taxes? Most small businesses start on a Schedule C or as an S-corp and any profits simply flow as ordinary income at ordinary tax rates.

      Putting this together, I'm wondering if they got shut down for something stupid like failing to collect and pay sales taxes. Again, this sounds like your friends didn't know what they were doing but would like to blame the system.


    • Absolutely correct. Anyone who owns a business where you hire everyday people. Sure if you have a Google or Apple computers you are hiring highly skilled highly driven staff but most companies are not in that position.

      We hire people who are busy looking for a trip and fall to sue the company they are employed with or collect unemployment after working a few months

    • I agree with John M.: If you're an entrepreneur with an otherwise good business plan, it's the economy, stupid. And the Republicans have blocked doing anything to improve it.

    • I've noticed an interesting trend of super rich endorsing bigger government and more taxes while small business owners complain that government regulations, taxes, and lack of access to capital are limiting their ability to compete or even operate. Who's right? I go with the group that creates the jobs in this country.

    • Nicole you are wrong and your left leaning politics are shining through. You start a business as you recognize an oppurtunity for you where you belief you can give it a go and make something of it. Tell all of us something, do you tour high schools and lecture the graduating class that going to university and spending upwards of $150k for your degree may be an utter waste because you are likely to start off at $35-40k so you follow your little hearts desire and be happy. Everything is a calculated risk, you can become very wealthy working for yourself then again you may not. You can work for a horrible boss and dread going into work each day for dismal pay. But you are right, it is the economy stupid and stupide is you and the democrats. Please, wake up and think for yourself.

    • I'm a woman, inventor, and small business owner. This current administration's policies have been the worst for people like me. It's not the economy per se, my business has had record demand, it's that no capital is available to expand (ie provide jobs) AND, this same administration just INCREASED patent fees by a whopping 15％！Why in the world would you increase fees now- to tax innovation? These policies do not make any business sense. Our economy desperately needs innovation and we need courageous innovative leaders to change these policies.

    • Seems to me that only those who are already rich are complaining about taxes (though not all of them, of course). As a struggling entrepreneur I can tell you that taxes don't play any part in my thinking whatsoever. The only concern I have is the potential demand for my products. That will be the deciding factor in whether I am hiring people in the next year or not.

      It's TRICKLE UP economics, not trickle down. I don't know any successful small business people that base their hiring/spending on their taxes, only on the demand for their product or services.

    • We opened a Gelato wholesale business this year and the absurd government regulations have caused our costs to skyrocket...which we then have to pass onto customers. 2 examples: one of the primary ingredients is pasteurized milk. The government required us to purchase a pasteurization facility in the kitchen as we, according to the government, must pasteurize the pasteurized milk that we purchase, that then gets pasteurized for a third time in the process of making the gelato. Another example. We installed the sink facets to a certain height, the county told us to lower them by one inch, the city then came in a week later and told us to put them up one inch higher. And the unfortunate thing is that there is not a detailed set of regulations that one can access to know what will be required. Commonly the government employee cannot even find the regulation requirement in any document...they just say this is how they do things. We are at their mercy. So we have had to dance around Federal, State and City that are ambiguous and can conflict with one another. So YES, government regulation has gone wild and it makes doing business far more expensive. And another thing, most people do not know about the lunacy of prevailing wages. All government projects must pay their workers "prevailing" wages...did you know that a worker who digs holes has a $35 an hour prevailing wage which roughly works out to $70,000 a year? This needs to come to an end, our government spends money like drunken sailors.

    • It would be interesting to know how many of the folks who have made comments have actually started a business. Katharine's comment is a good example of regulation that was well intended but implemented poorly.

    • ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! I operated 2 fine dining restaurants with total sales annually of 4 million dollars and 110 employees. i could go out today and build another one but I would have to be out of my mind. How many people today have the disposable income? Every business depends on sales

    • "As a struggling entrepreneur I can tell you that taxes don’t play any part in my thinking whatsoever.".. Have you thought about how this might contribute to your struggles?

    • The guy who makes Fiji water, which is a serious environmental disaster of an easily provable sort, complains about excessive regulation. What a joke. He's the poster-child for why some regulation is necessary. In his case, more regulation would have actually been good.

    • Isn't this the guy who is also selling the "phoney" health drink Pom-wonderful, or something like that. He's a serial "E" because he keeps moving from one scam to another. Nicole is right! It's demand that drives business! "E"ship is just a b-school word to describe someone who marshalls the resources to satisfy that demand. I challange someone to sight examples (plural) of unwarranted gov't regulation that is preventing any real demand from being satisfied!

    • Gelato Owner - why did you open your business if the "pasturization" issue was so crushing? You obviously knew the regs before starting up. Are you complaining because your customers aren't buying your product or" sad" that you have to charge so much money, or what? As for State vs County regs, compain to your local assemblyman - that's not a national issue!

    • I'm not clear where Gilmour gets his facts - and I'm a Republican who likes to drink environmentally unsound Fiji water. No entrepreneur pays more in taxes than anyone else - certainly very few establish their business as C-Corporations and pay corporate taxes on top of individual taxes. In fact, it's likely that entrepreneurs who are generating revenue in the businesses have MORE control over the tax on those revenues than individual tax-payers - more control over what expenses/deductions to apply at the business level and more control over how much they take home either in salary or a distribution of income on which they might have to pay taxes.

      On the regulatory side, I don't buy that regulation prevents people from starting businesses. IF (and it's a big "if") you're entering a regulated business (such as a produced of bottled water) as an entrepreneur, the best you should ask for is a level playing field - that you get treated no better or worse than an existing company or a foreign company (by the way, didn't Fiji try to escape a lot of that by locating in Fiji?). All businesses have start-up costs or the costs of complying with securities and tax regulation. Assuming that all are on a level playing field, there is nothing about regulation per se that affects entrepreneurs more than any other business.

      What is affecting entrepreneurs more today than in prior years is lack of certainty in the entire economy - meaning that investors are much less likely to hand over their money to an unproven business. Money is flooding into businesses with uncertain futures (social networking businesses come to mind) - but in those circumstances there is at least a path toward profitability that can be defined, based on current sales. Where a business has no track record and customers are squeamish, investors are rightfully squeamish as well.

      The one point I agree with wholeheartedly, however, is that healthcare is a HUGE concern - the costs of insuring the employees in a small business are higher than in a large business (health insurance is sold on a pool basis - the larger your pool of risks, the lower your premiums generally). And healthcare is only getting more expensive by the year for employers and employees.

    • Regulations and taxation don't mean squat. Owners look at business growth/demand as driving employee expansion. Can I grow the business with the people I have today, or is the demand high enough that I cannot handle it with the present staffing without killing them!

    • Katherine - What's the actual $ increase to file for you patents on your killer invention??? What's the materiality of the fee? BTW - one of our governments problems is that it has not "properly price" for the services it provides. Maybe the fees are still too small to offset the true cost of government provide this service called "patent protection"

    • I could have said worse. What other words come to mind when such a plainly written editorial is posted in today's WSJ that explains - what all thinking people already know - about the financial crisis - that it was fostered upon us by the same Big Government that Nicole and her ilk desire. Read - Wall Street's Gullible Occupiers. Facts like that have been around - but Nicole has swallowed the Kool Aid and no amount of reason will ever persuade.

      Nicole continues to trumpet the "lack of regulations" canard - as if our elite regulators can ever be all knowing and seeing - as in, uh maybe Solyndra? She talks about entreprenuers as Republican "billionaires" - obviously clueless as to what the IRS statistics are on the relatively immaterial number of people with incomes even over $1M - a reason why Obama must sock it to the $200K crowd - its where the real money is (source:

      And again, the faux claims of environmentalism in order to disparage a successful businessman - as if the supply of landfills is even a problem to anyone who's flown cross country. Yet Nicole and her crowd would gladly tax aspiring middle income families with Cap and Trade in order that she justify something called "global warming" as a way of acknowleding her moral superiority - to herself and to others (a moral sensibility that is curiously in short supply whenever it comes to fetuses, no doubt).

      This is what happens when you witness a brain on liberalism, folks. More powerful than crack.

    • I agree with Gelato Owner that there are regulations for some industries that seem suspect. However, I would be willing to bet that big companies welcome those regulations as a way to stifle competition from small entrepreneurs.

    • To all you naysayers about Gilmour's position:

      The man has actually done a lot of start ups and knows the issues for entrepreneurs. I tend to be silent about what I don't know. The facts are start ups created 100% of the new jobs between 1990 and 2005. The number of starts ups are rapidly declining and if we are going to solve the unemployment problem we need to fix that. I would listen to him if you really care abot unemployment.

      And punishing the banks for 2008 will create exactly how many new jobs? Kicking Wall Street "where it counts" sounds really good. But where are you going to get the jobs if starts ups are declining rapidly?

    • This gentleman could not have said it better. i owned and operated 2 fine dining restaurants for twenty three years. We had four million dollars in annual sales and 110 employees. I could go out tomorrow and open a new restaurant but would have to be absolutely out of my mind. The best ideas regardless of how brilliant require a market. There is no market There is no disposable income. I recently read that last year 187 billion dollars was taken out of the economy just to pay the increase in gasoline. I am certain that retailers and small business could have put that money to good use.

    • When I decided to start my 10th business in the late1990's, I had a friend beat the hell out of me hands tied behind my back. I figured if I can withstand his sucker punches maybe I could hold up to what the governemnt has in store for me as a small business owner with a dream of helping others, providing jobs, paying my fair share of taxes, you know someone who doesn't want a freebie expecting a handout from dear old "Dad".

      Now that I think about how the Feds treat people who have a God given talent or skill they want to put to good use, I would have been better off having a gang in LA cut me, stab me, shoot me instead.

      After 33+ yrs in business my advice if you want to start a business...don't tell.

    • Its always the guys like Gilmour who have already started and cashed out on a business stating how they wont do it again, blah blah blah. They already have the money, its a crock. They are just trying to not pay taxes on what they have in terms of trying to sway public opinion on the rich. I have a couple of businesses and regulations do not stand in the way of me or anyone I know who wants to work and be successful-its all about demand and growth from spending.

    • > this same administration just INCREASED patent fees by a whopping 15％

      Give me a break. I have several patents and I know something about this. If you add up all the fees you might get charged as a small business for a patent application, it tops out at about $540. If your patent issues, you'll pay another $755, for a total of $1295.

      That's incidental to your own costs for attorney at $250/hour to draw up the application or even for the drawings you may need, at about $100 a pop. Your own legal fees will likely run about $20K just get the filing done.

      And if you think at all about the qualifications and time need for the examiner, you'll realize your fees paid to the PTO pay only a part of those costs, the rest being paid by the taxpayers. You got a deal and you're complaining about nothing.

      And anyway, every inventor has a choice: If you don't want to patent your invention, keep it a trade secret!

    • J Bryan "Gelato Owner – why did you open your business if the “pasturization” issue was so crushing? You obviously knew the regs before starting up. Are you complaining because your customers aren’t buying your product or” sad” that you have to charge so much money, or what? As for State vs County regs, compain to your local assemblyman – that’s not a national issue!"

      Exactly one of my points is that these types of stifling regulations are not known ahead of time AND they make no sense. Even if the dairy industry pushed through this regulation shouldn't the elected officials use good judgement when implementing regulations? And it is a federal, state and city issue as we have to comply with all arms of government that all too often contradict each other. And yes we are raising the issue with our elected officials. I feel your pain Katherine and thank you Greg H for your observations.

    • > This is what happens when you witness a brain on liberalism, folks. More powerful than crack.

      Yes, well, I started a business and created a product. What did you do?

    • > IRS statistics are on the relatively immaterial number of people with incomes even over $1M

      No one argues that all the wealth in the country is in the hands of a very small number of people. The 400 richest Americans own more wealth than the bottom 150 million.

    • > these types of stifling regulations are not known ahead of time AND they make no sense

      This doesn't make sense. You wanted to start a wholesale gelato business and you didn't research the regulations or think to meet and interview anyone already in the business to see what it would really take? And why should we believe that Pasteurization isn't needed at multiple stages of the process? Pasteurization only kills whatever bacteria is already there. If your process might reintroduce bacteria at a later stage, it seems to me that of course you might have to re-Pasteurize. If you don't like the laws here requiring that food meet safety standards (not just your opinion that they make no sense) you can always move to China. There, you can sell almost anything and call it food. Personally, I'm staying here.

    • Nicole Hamilton, sure you are small business owner with a few patents kicking around. Why heck, that is why you have spent so much time on here with your a$$inine posts defending this administration. Put it back on the shelf Nicole, I am not buying it. Next, cost absolutely does figure into your business decisions, and FICA taxes do have an impact. Clearly there are people with little business experience.

    • Response to Nicole Hamilton. Your assumptions are false. Here is why:

      Certainly we did the research and my son who makes the gelato worked for another gelato wholesaler in the same state and was not required to do the pasteurization. There is not a process that requires multiple stages of pasteurization. The pasteurized milk should go directly into the gelato machine as the first step, instead we are required to pasteurize the milk in a pasteurizer and then transfer it into the machine. I would understand this requirement if we did not use pasteurized milk. You are making assumptions that are baseless. Do you work for the government?


      So what you're saying is that it didn't occur to you that regulations in the food industry might vary by state and that it would make sense to look at what's required in your state and go meet somebody in your own state who's doing this, not just rely on what works in another state? Cry me a river!

      More to the point, your original complaint was, "The government required us to purchase a pasteurization facility in the kitchen," but weren't you at least going to have to Pasteurize the final product? It's mostly milk and you've handling it. At most, you appear to be complaining about extra step in your process, not the cost of some equipment you don't think you needed at all.

      Also, just how much additional cost are we talking about relative to your other costs? Pasteurization equipment could mean anything from something made in China for $1000 to something costing hundreds of thousands for a big plant producing millions of dollars in product.

      I think you just didn't do your research properly. If you didn't do this right, I don't think I'd trust your opinion of what's safe, either; I'd want you to follow the state regs for anything I was going to eat, even if you do think they're silly.

    • Ooops! I apologize!

      I misread your comment, Gelato maker. (I'm slightly dyslexic and do this sometimes.) I misread it as saying your son worked for another wholesaler in ANOTHER state. Please accept my apology.

      That said, it seems possible that this may not tell the whole story. For example, if they also source their own milk or if their process is different in some way or ..., then maybe they don't have to do that extra step.

    • No problem Nicole.

      There is no reason to have to pasteurize the pasteurized milk that in the 'very last' process is re-pasteurized for a 3rd time. This is just one of so many examples of government gone wrong. There are so many other examples. I say to our local, state and federal government don't you dare raise my taxes until you have cleaned house thoroughly with respect to regulations AND taxpayer money wastefully spent.

      Thanks for engaging.

    • 1.000.000 % Exact.
      America Our Country is going to the same Dumpster as EU. with
      these Lonatics and Loosers.
      Nov. 2012 A Super Big Cup of Tea to the Loosers.
      In Liberty.

    • I sold my business to the Chinese in 91 and left the States because of over regulations and I would never start another business in the States again, the regulations make it not worth the trouble. I have started several in other countries because the governments are pro business, not in the states. Why would I look for more problems and risk or have to hire an indeterminably number of lawyers and accountants when it's easily started and obtainable else where? Just not worth it!

    • Fiji water is a company that takes water from a place that does not have much fresh water, puts it into a plastic bottle and sells it on the continent that has the most fresh water on the planet. There's a number of reporters who have uncovered some human rights abuses (to use the euphemism) in Fiji regarding the bottling. Taking fresh water from a place that does not have much of it to sell it to yuppies in America is a scam, not business that helps our country.

    • I have no connection to Fiji water, other than liking the stuff, but I want to respond to "thirsty", below, who typifies the destructive malice of the modern leftist that Mr. Gilmour warns of in the article. Fiji water tapped a previously unknown and unused underground water source in the Fijian islands. It is an exceptionally pure and smooth water, very tasty, and the square shaped bottle doesn't roll around on the floor of my car. I like it, it's good stuff AND it brought a much-needed new source of income to the Fiji Islands which has few natural resources. It's a fine product that does good wherever it goes. But the "thirsty"'s of the world, these ignorant misfits, those communist flakes, look upon the world their betters made through hard work and dedication and only lust to destroy it, or to steal it, or slander it, or to take control and run it into the ground. Leftism is a mental illness. It's a sickness, a destructive disease, and the West has it bad. I wish there was a simple cure for it. I wish there was an anti-leftist penicillin that could be administered to the entire country, like we did with the polio vaccine. Put it in Fiji water and flood the entire West with it.

    • This attitude of the government reflects the education of our children in the reduction and marginalization of competition and rewards in sports and other school activities.

    • Ms. Nicole Hamilton,

      According to Business Insider, in 1936 the federal register, which is the main source of regulations for U.S. government agencies was 2,600 pages longs. Today, it's over 80,000 pages long. It's particularly onerous in my opinion, but then again, I didn't get an ivy league degree like you probably did. I just turned 18 and I can see how corrupt and destructive the government is. I've always dreamed of being an entrepreneur and doing something that will actually help people. Government doesn't help people. Entrepreneurs help people, and most entrepreneurs aren't billionaires, only the ones who made the most significant impact. This is a disgrace to our founding fathers, do you not take history classes at Harvard?

    • i have been selling imports for 15 years. I have never had as many stock problems as i am having today and it is all this administrations fault. Customs is running amok, licensing issues on almost everything we import. All military logo items are confiscated and charged fees until license are confirmed by military. Military wont answer our phone calls or resolve issue by confirming licenses, so fees accrue and product is destroyed. Military now argues that we sell unacceptable items so they dont want to issue licenses for new items until we remove offensive items like REBEL items.

    • Sorry to be late to the party: it's always fun to watch a carnival-barker like Gilmour complain about the government won't let him do this or that; conversely a Republican waterboy (pardon the pun) like Herman Cain lectures the middle class that if they aren't rich it's their own fault. Pick one, right-wingers, otherwise I suggest Gilmour put on his big-boy pants and come up with another way to fool people into parting with their money for crap like Fiji Water. I wish him luck.

    • I totally agree with Dean Ericson. I believe Mr. Gilmour knows a thing or two about starting and running a successful business. Hell the man convinced millions of others, me included, to pony up two bucks for a bottle of water. On a more serious note however, it amazing how quickly the bottled water industry has become the evil empire and the poster boy for extravagant consumption. You can't open a page or read a blog that doesn't vilify bottled water drinkers as uneducated, earth destroying lemmings. The media elite constantly ramble statistic upon statistic about the ugly "truth" behind bottled water. They all rave about the quality of US tap water, and they always make sure to mention that NYC tap water beat a select few bottled waters in a blind taste test. What they don't discuss however, is the ever increasing amount of contaminates in our water supply. They never bring up the fact that the EPA really has no way on knowing the long term health effects of the pharmaceuticals that have been dumped in our municipal water supplies. They fail to mention that many municipalities are dumping more and more sewage(human waste) into our clean water aquiifers. I know all bottled water isn't as pure as the advertising they proudly portray on their bottles. There are however, bottled waters that are superior in both purity and taste to (NYC) tap, but you'll never hear that from the media elite. Also for the closeted bottled water drinkers who have succumb to the media elites brow beating and shame campaign, Volvic currently has a drink 1 give 10 campaign. You can now imbibe with a little less guilt.

    • I did some good business this morning with a customer for an hour and a five dollars later, I'm still good, no Gov letter agencies on my back, it' all cool. You just have to know how to stay out of their hair. Get tangled up up in it and they will brush you to death. If you want to start a biz, keep it simple and small within a very specialized area, you'll reap rewards. Now let's all go take a nap together and fogit dis kwazy talk.

    • I am in the midst of starting a company right now, and I'll tell you what's "killing" our effort - the fact that my business partner has a cancer diagnosis in her medical history and has found it extremely difficult to get health insurance on the individual market. She cannot quit her current job and work full time for our business because she cannot take the chance of giving up her health insurance (which isn't cheap as it is, but at least she has it). We are hoping that Obamacare, with all its flaws, is not repealed by the Republicans because the preexisting condition clause would finally make it possible for her to be insured, but it's a very uncertain environment with the Republicans constantly threatening to do away with it all.

      The most onerous regulations and taxes/fees we have found are the local and state ones, not the federal ones.

    • the problem is that banks are not lending to start up entrepreneurs because if they perceive there is too much risk they would rather make thier money on the brokerage side of the company. We needf a 1985 version of Glass-Segal Act to remedy this situation

    • What a joke. This is just a soap box for this fraud to spout from. The guy invented a company that sells nothing of any value. He sells bottled water. The same stuff you get from the tap for free, except he charges you a fortune for it, uses up valuable resources shipping it from Fiji (where they could actually use it) and the bottles end up in landfills. I am not sure this is the kind of entrepreneur we should be looking to make life easier for. Sad excuse for journalism.

    • Coming from the guy that sells glorified tap water. This guy really does offer nothing of real value except plastic bottles that pollute the earth. Yeah, but it is all Washington's fault.

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