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Another Jim Hill Muppet rant

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Philip Kippel, Aug 2, 2005.

  1. GelflingWaldo

    GelflingWaldo New Member

    Why was the pitch reel cut? I did some digging and (unlike the folks at Jim Hill Media want you to think) it was for pure legal reasons - not Disney sensoring the Muppets and trying to make them more kiddie. It is not because Kermit says "****", it is because the CBS logo Kermit stands in front of is a trademark of CBS, and they didn't give Disney an OK to put it on the DVD. Now it is techniclly possible to digitly fit this (paint out the logo), but when it came down to it they just did not have the time or money left to do this to to the bonus feature (they were already pushing it with all the music rights, and what not). It is a shame it got cut, but it is a bonus feature (not the main feature) so we should be happy we got anything. There were some cuts made to the set due to legal reasons, but rather than get upset about the 10-minuets that Disney can not sell, be happy that there is over 610 minuets of Muppet fun now avalible on remastered DVD in a way we've never had before. The collection is great, it is not flawless, but it is still excellent and worth the money.
  2. That Announcer

    That Announcer New Member

    Thank you for reiterating what I've been saying all along. You're a great guy, Greg. :)
  3. rumtar_10165

    rumtar_10165 New Member

    The Muppet Show Pitch reel

    I would agree it would make the dvd worth while. But The whole DVD of The Muppet Show is awsome. I am 40 yrs old and my wife and kids never saw the Entire Muppet Show Season 1 they saw the others but it was not like what it was when it first came out (most that they saw was only a handful of shows that aired on Nick.

    When I saw the dvd it kinda made me feel like I was a child again. My kids laughed at the dvd and are still wathing it right now.

    To those who nit-pick about the edits you shouln't. It still has the magic of the muppets. I can understand why certian songs was cut (I think Napster-vs-the artits had a hand in it) but Come on it's The Muppets that made the show along with the stars and the entire crew.

    So buy the dvd not for the cuts, but for the love of the Muppets and enjoy the magic.

    Signed a true Muppet Fan since 1969.
  4. Ernie101

    Ernie101 Active Member

    Wow, it's great to hear things like that from people who have been around since the show debuted. Being a new fan to TMS, I am excited at even being able to see the episodes.

    So, naturally the cuts mean nothing to me now that I'm watching the magic.
  5. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    I agre...if Disney was all about censoring material, they would have taken out the 'sex and violence' title from the pilot before Harry blows it up.
  6. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    I got my Season One set in the mail yesterday. I showed the Pitch Reel to my friends, and unbeknownst to them had my Kermit puppet on hand. I showed it to them twice, the Pitch Reel. The first time, I showed it to them just as it appears on the DVD, and they laughed some. And THEN, I showed it again with my Kermit puppet walking up and saying his line. They cracked up the second time (I even did the scrunchy nose look). I really wish they could have digitally taken out the CBS logo to keep that Kermit line in the DVD, because it works so much better with that.
  7. Ernie101

    Ernie101 Active Member

    That's funny Fozzie. I haven't watched the pitch reel yet, I'll get their when I get their. Glad your enjoying the DVD though.
  8. AndyWan Kenobi

    AndyWan Kenobi Active Member

    I'm really glad to hear that it was, in fact, legal complications. That, at least, can be blamed on outside forces. Overall, I think Disney has done a terrific job with what must have been a complicated set of rights to negotiate throughout the set. It's almost all there! I'm really glad to see the frist season openings, especially, because I don't think I've seen them since I was quite the tiny tot (with my eyes all a-glow).
  9. unclematt

    unclematt Active Member

    I cant stand Jim Hill
  10. a_Mickey_Muppet

    a_Mickey_Muppet Well-Known Member

    I'll 2nd that Uncle Matt! :boo: :D
  11. Me too.

    As others have stated, Jim Hill and even his fellow columnists (Cory Mitchell, etc.) act like know-it-alls. It's like they're saying "I've got inside sources and you don't, so I'm cooler than you" or something like that.

    They even manage to make even the most positive Disney news sound negative (such as the articles that they wrote about Roy Disney, Stanley Gold and the SaveDisney movement, for example).

    Jim Hill and co. hardly ever say anything positive or optimistic, no matter how good or bad whatever news that comes out of the Disney company may be. And just about everything they write is based on pure speculations and personal opinions, rather than actual information...and they're almost always wrong!

    So, please take everything that you hear at such places as Jim Hill Media with a grain of salt.
  12. unclematt

    unclematt Active Member

  13. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    JimHillMedia is the biggest anti disney, Disney lover fansite. Kind of a paradoxial nature going on...but I happen to love his articles on Muppetdom. It's clear he has a pasison for em, which is rare in this day and age. I like hearing a mix of optimism and sheer cynicism as well.

    Ok...so to bring up the score column...

    Disney's Muppet Pros:

    Has gone to great efforts to keep the Disney name/brand far away
    from the Muppets...going so far as to create the red herring
    company "Muppets Holding Company LLC"
    Released the most comprehensive Muppet Show package yet
    Have pushed the Muppets in a short time on a national scope
    Got the Muppets on SNL for the first time in almost 30 years
    Helped launch the very cool bi weekly Statler and Waldorf at the movies
    Making a new Xmas holiday special
    Launching a Kermit 50th celebration campaign

    Disney's Muppet Cons:

    Plans to drag the Muppets into reality tv heck
    A seriously bad and amatuer Muppets logo
    Not recognizing Kermit's 50th as a general "50 years of Muppets" campaign
    the fact they may go ahead and do another lame classic retelling for tv

    Egads, the pros outweigh the cons it looks like.

    I can't fault Disney for Oz(even tho I completely hated that thing) as that was in the works long before they came around. And who really knows what the Muppets would be up to had JHC not sold em to Disney.
  14. unclematt

    unclematt Active Member

    I like DISNEY! I dont like Jim Hill!
  15. rumtar_10165

    rumtar_10165 New Member

    just thinking

    I kinda wonder, what would happened if Frank Oz came back to direct the muppets? Mabey Oz would have stayed the Classic Muppet Style. what do you think?
  16. bigbirdfan

    bigbirdfan New Member

    Oh Da :concern: ;) Anti muppets they suk!!!!!!

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