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Gary Johnson

Gary says he will end the war in Afghanistan, he was oppossed to Iraq, He wants to end foreign aid to Israel, he does not war with Iran, he told me personally 3 years ago that he would sign legislation to end the fed if submitted by congress. Yes he said he supports "humanitarian wars" and I think he made a mistake. He also said he would not support a war not decalred Constitutionally by conngress
. I have largely stayed out of the vote GJ debate mainly because I know he does not have a real shot at winning. I mean actually being elected. if he did I would have been all over that like flys on shite after Dr Paul left the stage. That said I take issue with blatant lies spread about Gary. I know people that are his friends and I kinow that he came onto the political stage in New Mexico and has a better economic track record in terms of results than anyone currently running for office . Gary is the only guy who has actually took a deficit and made it into a surplus. He is the only guy who has run Govt fiscallly conservatively in actual practice. To say he is a warmongeer or neo con is not just off base its a lie. To say there is nothing good in his past record is a lie.I take issue with these things not because I give a crap who you vote for. I dont care who you vote for as long as its not romney. I care about these things because Gary is a real person with real people that care about him and he does not deserve to be slandered with lies. Criticize his "humanitarian war " statement, attack his apparent misunderstanding of the fed..etc in other words use facts to criticize Gary Johnson not lies and insane talk of dark plots where there is no evidence for any of this. Yes doug turner is a member of the cfr(Garys campaign manager for Gov). This gave me pause when turner ran for gov but I also did not have a track record like Gary's to vett him with.I was an altar boy that does not mean I am a Vatican Assassin

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You wish it was a lie.. That's more so for the company you keep.


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Closest platform to Dr Pauls

thats a fact, if you don't want to vote for him fine. If you want to read the facts to fit a certain persepective ok. Just don't spread lies,like he is going to promote abortion or start more wars or not gut govt. again closest platform to Dr Paul's

Your form of close is miles apart.

Also.. He would start Humanitarian wars... That's more wars no? Vietnam was a humanitarian war supposedly.

War is war.

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has said. No war without Congressional approval. That would stop the military complex pretty well I think

Of course that sounds nice right?

Until that is you remember all that congress has done to stop the unconstitutional wars we have now.

Gary is a closet warmonger.

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I've noticed...

several different GJ supporters don't know what paragraphs are. What's up with that?

And so far all their accounts are about 4 months old...

~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

silly statement

silly statement. not befitting a Ron Paul supporter considering the baseless attacks we have endured in the past

It's obvious...

you are an agent of the Communist Party of Canada and their diabolical plotting and scheming.

~wobbles but doesn't fall down~

Cute story...

but the drone-loving, subsidy-giving, baby-killer doesn't deserve our votes.

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That approximately ten people

That approximately ten people upvoted such a comment is the strongest proof yet that Romney trolls have seeped into these forums like overflowing sewage in New York City's flood.

Do you have any proof that

Do you have any proof that Gary killed a baby or are you making this stuff up as you go along? Libel much?

Abortion is baby-killing...

and GJ supports it.

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You may promote that any

You may promote that any truthful way you wish. But why do you insist on continuing to slander and libel those you disagree with? It just sickens me. We had to deal with attacks like this on Congressman Paul's character, which were very frustrating. Why would you continue to use our opposition's tactics against our own candidates?

Look, I understand that you are a single issue voter. Most Americans are. How about you instead expand from a single issue and vote for liberty. If I voted for a single issue, there is no way I could support Dr. Paul. On September 14, 2001, Congressman Paul voted yes on the joint resolution called “Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists”. Here is a quote from the resolution:


IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terroristattacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

Let that sink in. Ron Paul voted for a resolution that allowed Bush to start a war (If it matters to you, i'm sure a few babies were killed in this war) against Afghanistan, and we're still there. The congressman could not even pass his own litmus test. But I set that aside and voted for him in 2008, and the Primary in 2012 because the cause of liberty is greater than a single issue that I may disagree with. I ask you think about doing the same.

I am not a single issue voter.

Life is one of a few issues I hold to be most important - the others being non-interventionism and sound money. GJ is weak on those too.

The Afghanistan war was actually justified. Meanwhile, RP fought against going to war in Iraq as early as 1997 when those sabres first started getting rattled.

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For the cause of liberty

How in the world can you justify war in Afghanistan? Next you're going to tell me you support humanitarian wars, and I'll have to ask you why you continue to attack Gary Johnson on that issue. Any moral high ground that Congressman Paul had from fighting against going to war against Iraq in 1997 was complete wiped out when he (Paul) voted to give President Bush Carte blanche to attack anyone that he (Bush) felt was responsible for 9/11.

Ron Paul a made decision that was wrong, and I can over look for the overall cause of liberty. Perhaps you can overlook the idea of abortion for the overall cause of liberty as well. Tit for tat. Many libertarians crossed party lines to support Ron Paul in 2007/08 and this election cycle as well. We worked hard for the cause of liberty. Perhaps you could cross party lines and do the same for us. For liberty.

Err on the side of liberty

I apparently ran out of room in the last post, so I'll continue here:

The cause is too great to fight over issues such as abortion that elicit such strong emotional responses. Especially at the Executive Federal level, where such a change in law would first have to make its way through congress first. Which is never going to happen in my life time.

I'm assuming you belive that life begins at conception. And that the soul in existence at that point in time, within the little bunch of cells. That is just an opinion based on your religious beliefs.

I on the hand don't belive in the same god you do. It is my opinion, based on nothing but a theory i came up in my head , that if there is a god, and he/she/it implants souls, then the soul is introduced to the body on the body's first breath, and leaves the body of the last breath. As such, until the point of soul insertion, the body is just an empty vessel. If my theory is the correct one, then no human is ever deprived of liberty via abortion.

I have my theory, and you have yours. And we'll never agree. As such, we should leave these decisions to the mothers carrying the baby/fetus/miracle/parasite and not to law makers and other external forces such as you and I. Overall we should be masters and owners of our own bodies, and that includes what happens inside of them and what we introduce to them.

Edit, see below.

See below

according to you Ron Paul is stupid?

Why Dr. Ron Paul invited 'pro-choice' folks Jesse Ventura and Gary Johnson to his Rally For The Republic in 2008?


Can you explain?

"baby killers at Ron Paul's rally?"

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How about YOU explain...

"Bomb Uganda" Johnson's support of abortion and the death penalty for minors?

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BTW... Pauling is my hobby too.



1/"bomb uganda" Gary says no war without Congressionaly declared war 2/ abortion, same policy as Dr Paul, 3/ death penalty not certain on that one and to tired to look up

You're 0-for-3.


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perhaps you are simply using words you do not understand

1. He supports "humanitarian

1. He supports "humanitarian wars" and wouldn't leave drones off the table.

2. He supports abortion, whereas Ron doesn't. RP understands that liberty is impossible without life.

3. Look it up.

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not a dumb attack but a response that calls for real dialouge.

1. yes he said he supports "humanitarian" wars. I don't like that statement. It was dumb. I don't know why he said it. I think he is in some ways a political lightweight and that may be his real un thought out opinion or maybe he thought he could draw neo cons votes I don't know. What I do know is that he said any war would have to be decalred by congress. Right there that should resolve this issue but Gary goes further saying he would end afghanistan, he opposed Iraq in 2003 he would quit our operations in Libya. Let me ask you what other candidate running has as good of a foriegn policy? Answer? none. Again I DONT CARE if you vote for Gary. This post is because I am sick of people lying about him.

2. Gary's stance on abortion if electged POTUS and he had a say on the abortion issue Gary would make abortion a states rights issue. Exactly the same as Dr Paul's plank. That is all that really needs to be said. If you do not like Gary being personally pro choice ok but the fact that he would do exactly what Dr Paul would do makes me confuses me as to how a pro life person can justify not voting for Gary based on this issue

3. Gary Johnson ,if he chooses to stay in politics, will be a rising star in the Liberty movement for years to come. You would be advised not to eat our own. Each other is all we got

From reading your

From reading your responses... I'm predicting you are a heavy set religious individual and are more swayed toward the values of the collectivist institution you were brought up in(religion)... You must have forgotten the basis of the liberty movement, STICK TO YOUR SELF AND DON'T TELL OTHERS HOW TO LIVE!

Granted, I will have to agree with you that "humanitarian wars" are idiotic and entirely based off of one's opinion of "humanitarian".

I'm actually...

an atheist. Abortion is still murder.

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If it's in your body, it's

If it's in your body, it's still you... you can decide to do what you want with yourself when it is still in your body.

After that, then I would consider it murder.

Abortion is still murder.


At what point do you consider

At what point do you consider something living?

Are you going to save the millions of sperm that die in your testicles every day, or the eggs lost in the frequent periods woman go through?

I'd say an awareness of self and the environment should be the baseline for when something is murder... otherwise it's just killing... like when you jack-off ect.