Monday, March 17, 2008

He said it, not me !


Labour Party and TGWU activist Ian at IansRedBlog.












Lurker said...

Its absolute genius. The way those who would normally be defending the workforce against the worst depredations of capitalists are instead brought to heel by racism.

Bernard Matthews, Tesco etc never have to defend their policies of importing foreign workers en masse, their normal political enemies do it for them. And with a passion they could never summon up.

Quite staggeringly clever.

Dave said...

Yes very well put although radical captialists 'libertarians' have openly stated they want to use immmigration to bankrupt the country.

What would your ideal immigration policy be then Laban?

Laban said...

A moratorium for ten years while we attampt to integrate those alaready here (a big subject in itself), for starters.

wildgoose said...

I'm a Libertarian. I believe in Property Rights. That makes me a part-owner of all our nation's social and capital infrastructure and so the last thing I want is my property damaged by uncontrolled mass immigration.

You know you're winning the argument when your opponents put your beliefs in "scare quotes" and make ad hominem attacks that completely misrepresent your position.

And No, I obviously don't speak for all Libertarians - there are obviously those on the fringes that just want to see the Welfare State demolished by its own inconsistencies.

TDK said...

It's true that many libertarians believe immigration controls are wrong but they also believe that interventionism causes the problems that create mass migration. If we had no CAP and no rules preventing 3rd world countries processing food themselves, then they would grow wealthy from exports whilst we would benefit from cheaper food. In turn, a by product of that third world wealth would be the elimination of one of the pressures for migration.

That's far from the virtual conspiracy theory of 'libertarians' have openly stated they want to use immmigration to bankrupt the country. I don't expect you to be able to furnish proof of this claim but please try. Links are good.

thud said...

A ten year moratorium to assimilate plus a chance to get the native workforce off benefits would be ideal...not going to happen though.

Dave said...

I don't think they are real libertarians they are globalist bandit capitalists with a very simplistic view of the world, thats why I used quotes.

tdk, yes they believe immigration controls are wrong and for the very reasons Laban stated in his original post, an unlimited supply of labour enables them to force down wages and make more profits.

10 year moratorium sounds ok but really, on the scale of things its not that long is it?
I would say in order to avoid these culture problems, our immigration policy should be proportional to our birth-rate in order to try to obtain some demographic stability.
Harriet Harman was saying recently that employers should be allowed to discriminate against 'whites' to try to make the workforce better reflect the population, but due to constantly changing demographics because of mass immigration thats never going to happen.

James G. said...

Hi Laban,
A friend of mine is a union organiser/agitator. His specialty is organising immigrants. He's working for an American union, and the last time I saw him, he was over here in Blighty teaching the unions how to organise the African cleaners.

The impression I get from him, indirectly, is that the unions are looking to the new immigrants to help rebuild their flagging fortunes and keep their leaders in Bentleys. Much like the political parties.