When even CNN is saying Democrats are wrong, then maybe it’s time to change up your tactics a bit.

During one of the typical exchanges between Don Lemon and Chris Cuomo during their baton handoff, the duo began talking about the wall funding and how Democrats and Republicans are interacting on it. To Cuomo, barriers are necessary and working.

He also believes that when it comes to the failures to produce a solution for the wall, the Democrats share a good deal of the blame for their absolute refusal to work with Republicans in any way, shape, or form.

“Look, here’s the reality,” began Cuomo. “You’ve got barriers along that thing all over the place. They need more. I believe the men and women who keep us safe and their assessment that barriers help and they need more of it. So the Democrats should say, “Fine. More barriers. Okay. Let’s talk about where, how much and why,” not, “No wall, not a dollar for your damn wall.” Don’t say that because you don’t mean it and it puts you in a hole.”

Rest assured, Cuomo made it clear that he thinks Trump and Republicans are primarily to blame for the shutdown but also made it clear that Democrats had backed themselves into a wall and pushed away giving themselves credit for the deal they made on border barriers years ago.

“But the Democrats put themselves in a hole when they say no money for the wall. They’re not giving themselves credit for the money they have put in, for what is really the wall, for the fencing. So there’s politics at play on both sides, but the president put us in a shutdown. He pushed it too far.”