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Doesn't Apple still provide there own Java version rather than simply using the official Java? Last time osX Java was in the news it was due to being a gross number of versions behind the official release leaving Apple customers vulnerable to things long since patched on the other platforms.

Yep, that's right. There's a pretty general consensus among Java developers that Apple is doing a crap job of handling Java on their platform (mostly because it's years late), yet strangely enough Macs are still very popular among Java devs. Ultimately everything would be probably be better if Sun/Oracle were to handle the Mac port, but for whatever reason (possibly because of some secret agreement with Apple) they don't. Even if Sun/Oracle were to take over the development, they would need to buy out Apple's proprietary JavaVM code, since at the moment there is nothing comparable in OpenJDK.

Web developers who use closed crap and can't build websites that degrade gracefully need to go back to school. Managers that won't give the developers who are competent time to produce a properly built site also need to give there head a shake or find a new industry to middle-manage in.

Couldn't agree more. Luckily I think the days of Flash-based menus and such are mostly behind us, as there seems to be an growing pool of web developers who actually have an inkling of a clue. Also, the capabilities of HTML/CSS/JavaScript have expanded to cover much of the simple eye candy that Flash used to be used for.

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