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, the republican candidate was poppy bush. george h.w. bush. the day before the election that year he went and campaigned in pennsylvania. and then the next day, he lost pennsylvania. the next election, 1996, republican candidate was bob dole. right before the election, bob dole went and campaigned in pennsylvania. then bob dole lost pennsylvania. in 2004 the republican was president george w. bush and the day before the election, george w. bush went and campaigned in pennsylvania. and then the next day, george w. bush lost pennsylvania. last time around as well the sunday before the election, there's republican john mccain, campaigning in pennsylvania. and then john mccain loses pennsylvania. right before the election, you can set your watch by it. the republican presidential contender will go and campaign in pennsylvania. and every year the media responds by saying, wow the republican is going to pennsylvania. maybe the republicans are going to win pennsylvania this year. does this mean the republicans are planning on winning pennsylvania this year? and the republicans say, yes, we're go
's been polling and not only did he denounce george w. bush but those democrats who went for the radical regulation. he was very clear about that. and he's populous. what romney has recognized there is real pain out there and people want something done. if obama is more of the same, he's in trouble. >> eliot: look, mitt romney is appeal to go folks right now to folks whose logic is give me something different. the burden is on the president is to say yes but the something different that he's offering is the same george w. bush that was offered in the first place. he does not close the circle. i want to make this point. the adcdos who came out and said you have to raise taxes. does that puncture the balloon of the entirety of the logic of mitt romney. >> it may puncture it if you want to analyze this in logical terms. >> eliot: you're not saying logic is not in politics. >> i don't think it is right now. you may have fired an aide who wrote a speech like that. i think romney is quite wise not to. the banality of what he says is central. he does not want to spell out what he's going to say
george w. bush won the hispanic vote in 2004. gwen: neither campaign are terribly concerned about that. they just want to win at all cost. do we see any kind -- everybody says it doesn't matter who shows up. as we watch get out the vote efforts an we watch voter disputes and the lawyers being dispatched around the country, is there anything happening that we don't see that doesn't show up in the polls? >> it is the first election since 2004 that's "normal." >> 2006 was a wave, 2010 was a wave. everybody saw the same data. and they were disagreing around the margin. now both sides have a fundamentally different view. it's not just these conversations with the campaigns, the presidential campaigns but also talking to republicans who are doing senate races. democrats who are doing their own independent polling. they too are coming up with polls that look like they're from different planets. so democrats, republicans, very different ideas of what this elect tort is going to look like. gwen: let's go gown to ohio where mitt romney is tonight as we -- let's go down to ohio where mitt romney'
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to the right. >> did you ever think that you'd be saying the day george w. bush? >> it is a scary thing. >> you're scaring me. i'm getting frightened krystal ball and alicia menendez, thanks for coming on the show tonight. don't forget to catch krystal right here on msnbc at 3:00 p.m. >>> right now people in florida are waiting two, three, even four hours in line simply to vote. this is a voter suppression and we'll talk about it with the state's former republican governor, charlie crist. >>> plus, mitt romney's hail mary to win the election. is it just a bluff? we'll tell you how republicans have tried and failed with it before. >>> also, donald trump is putting his birther hat back on embarrassing himself and mitt romney. you're watching poins on msnbc. begin. tomato, obviously. haha. there's more than that though, there's a kick to it. wahlalalalallala! smooth, but crisp. it's kind of like drinking a food that's a drink, or a drink that's a food, woooooh! [ male announcer ] taste it and describe the indescribable. could've had a v8. monarch of marketing analysis. with the ability to improve
of the watergate tapes came out. he sort of backed away. you is pretty close to george w. bush -- he was pretty close to george w. bush. he felt that he made a big difference in his life. he helped rescue his life. so, i think he was pretty close to george w. bush as well. but it is not really spoken about a lot in the campaign in terms of literature. there have been some issues out there among evangelicals. there has been some skepticism about governor romney's norman faith. i think -- mormon faith. blessingilly graham's to vote for a mormon has helped to give that signal. host: rob christensen is with us. you can read more of his writings act news observer.com. we would like to get more input from our viewers and listeners. you need to pick up the phone or send us a message. we have a special line for folks calling from north carolina. there is a. -- there it is. you can also send us e-mail. we are also on facebook. you can also reach out to us through twitter. you were telling me before we get on the air about what you have been doing or the last couple of days. review for us the last 24 hou
is the same thing that actually was practiced in the george w. bush administration. president obama isn't using george w. bush's name, but the message is actually pretty crystal clear. and you're seeing these two competing closing arguments at the very end. >> with that being the argument from the president that, you know, especially before hurricane sandy it was when mitt romney unveiled this notion that he is the change candidate here, how has his campaign, or have they effectively fought back that what he is offering back at this late game, 3, 2, 1, what we is a at the bottom, he offering anything that proves he would in fact bring in change? >> well, he hasn't rebutted those criticisms of how his policies are different than george w. bush's. the one he has pointed out, and he did this at the debate is he would actually balance the budget, something that george w. bush didn't do. so that's where he says he would be different. but when you actually look at a lot of the advisers, a lot of the economic policies, they do seem the same. and he hasn't really rebutted that. but what he is a
obama you want to talk about george w. bush? that really for swing voters, undecided voters you want the image -- >> to remind them of hurricane katrina, bush? >> it's not effective surrogacy, apart -- forget about the harshness. >> romney was nastier to bush in the debate than obama was. >> by the way, jeb bush, the whole uniting at this time? jeb bush, maybe one of his -- >> craig fugate a republican would not work for george w. bush after katrina. but when obama called him he said yes because they were serious about professionalizing -- >> there's the door. >> two guys, governor bush and governor christie, both could run for flpresident in 2016, taking different approaches to the image they're putting forward in the last few days of the campaign. you know they both of them have been not totally sole on the notion that romney was going to win for most of the time. privately both -- >> is that what's happening? >> i think both of them are looking, to some extent, what comes next. i'm not saying they don't want governor romney to win this election but both skap ceptical his chances f