German Military - Family History & Genealogy Message Board 2014-02-12 15:54:48Z German Military - Family History & Genealogy Message Board 175 38 Looking for Military Records for WW1/WW2 Lüken I am looking for records for my Opa ( Henirich Bernard Lüken) who was a paramedic in WW1 and received 2 medals ( 1st class Iron Cross/2nd Class Iron Cross) as well I had three Uncles who fought in WW2-Alfons Bernard Lüken- who registered in 1940-41 in Vienna, was in the Calvary, Ignatz August Lüken-who registered in Rostock in 1944-was in the Calvary for 14days then moved to foot soldier-was captured by the Americans west of Berlin by Havel River bf May 1945-was held in a POW camp in Hanover ( but thinks the camp might of been British?)-Otto Lüken who was wounded on Aug 15 1944 and died the next day of his injuries-not quite sure where buried but it sounds like it was a unmarked grave in Ostrovich(?) Poland? Any information I can find on any of these men would be greatly appreciated!!!! ( esp. Otto ) 2014-02-16 18:55:54Z lukengood Re: Can someone decipher what this means? Yes as in a village lineage book and that is the town. The first part is completely unrelated to military actually. HNr is house number and vz has something to do with a census and their residence. 2014-01-31 15:02:27Z rreed827 Re: Can someone decipher what this means? I think "Fuhrer" here might be a supply and transport private. The supply train service in the KuK army was the Fuhrwesen, and its personnel were called Fuhrleute. 2014-01-31 12:19:48Z markconrad156 Re: Can someone decipher what this means? Correction to my above, the k.u.k. wasn't a separate component, it was the collective name for the three components, existed from 1867 to 1918, 1918 is your cut off date.<br><br>What I meant by possibly having misread it was, I was thinking that you were reading the original document, written in script, and possibly difficult to decipher,...but copy and paste sounds like that wasn't the case, as does your mention of an author, and yes, contacting the author is a very good idea, you just need to keep banging away at these situations, and coming at it from different angles, and you may well get a break eventually.<br><br>Well doubtless someone may be able to figure something out from your present info.<br><br>The k.u.k. is pretty well researched and known amongst the military anoraks who specialise in that topic,...identifying which regiment that actually was would be a good lead.<br><br>German village book, you mean an ortssippenbuch = village lineage book,...with Sekitsch being the name of the village. ?<br><br>If that IS the case, then the best place to start is probably with the location of the village, which is probably this one...<br><br><a href="" target="_blank"></a><br><br><a href=";ie=UTF-8&amp;ei=h9bqUsqxBoja0QXNgYGoDA&amp;ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ" target="_blank">;ie=UTF-8&...</a><br><br>That line...<br><br>1871 HNr. 42; VZ 1891 HNr. 513; Führer beim Löbl. k.u.k Baron Ciroldi Regiment,<br>1. Bataillon<br><br>No idea what it means, but, I wonder...<br><br>Could H = Herrschaft = Regiment...or...Heeresverband = Bataillon = Battalion <br><br>and could V = Verband = Corps or Troop or unit or the form of militärischen verband...a regiment.<br><br>I don't know for sure, but if that was the case, Nr. might mean Nummer = Number<br><br>42 and 513 are way too high for a battalion number, so I'm wondering if might be saying that he served with Regiment number 42 from 1871 ( aged about 24 ) and then with Regiment number 513 from 1891 ( aged about 44 ) and then at some point after that he was made Battalion commander of the Baron Ciroli Regiment,...a total guess of course. 2014-01-30 23:58:33Z infosending1 Re: Can someone decipher what this means? I just copied and pasted what the document said, so I would that I had not read it wrong! I'm just getting nothing when I try to find "Baron Ciroldi", which does not help me understand what was going on. I'm also going to contact the author for anymore clarification since it is from a German village book-- Sekitsch. But I do know it was before WWII (in response to Dr. Watson's post) because he (according to the book) died before WWII even started. I was thinking it had to be WWI.<br><br>This is the information copy and pasted:<br><br>&lt;2670&gt; GERBER Nikolaus, Soldat &gt; 2640.4<br>* 14.06.1847 Sek.; k. 1860 Sek.; † um 1932 Sek.<br>Eltern: Gerber August, Becker Katharina Maragaretha<br>1871 HNr. 42; VZ 1891 HNr. 513; Führer beim Löbl. k.u.k Baron Ciroldi Regiment,<br>1. Bataillon<br>oo 21.11.1871 Sek.; TZ: Nikolaus Gerber, Ludwig Karbiener<br>BERON Sophia &gt; 628.7<br><br>I will look into your links. Thank you.<br> 2014-01-30 21:52:08Z rreed827 Re: Can someone decipher what this means? Ha ha, a bit of healthy scepticism and checking of facts is no bad thing,...more people on ancestry should try it, helps to keep one on the right track,...but I second Dr. Watson's initial information.<br><br>The Herr Baron Ciroldi though is a puzzler, there's no sign of him, are you sure that YOU have read that correctly, those old documents can be quite difficult to decipher.<br><br>Your best bet with that might be to scan the document and post it as a jpg picture attachment, and see if anyone can possibly give any clarification.<br><br>Giving this a time and a location frame might also help you.<br><br>I'm not surprised that you're getting a bit puzzled, it was a very complex and active period and place.<br><br>Perhaps this may help to clarify things a bit for you, and give the people and events in your project a bit of background and context.<br><br>The links below should help to clue you in and get a bit of background.<br><br>Basically with the k.u.k. you are dealing with the Austro Hungarian Empire aka the Habsburg Empire.<br><br>Bear in mind that although you're dealing with one empire, it was very regionally divided.<br><br>Think of it as a bit analogous to America, one country/empire,...governed/ruled federaly and centrally,...but with a lot of state/regional ethnic, racial, religious, cultural, and political diversity.<br><br>k.u.k. = kaiserlich und königlich = Imperial and Royal<br><br>The basic deal was that the Austro Hungarian Empire ended up with an army which was composed of three main components,...sort of three sub armys.<br><br>The k.u.k. was the name of one of those component armys,...and if you search for k.u.k you will find that is a term which the military anoraks who have a detailed knowledge of the military in that place and era, usually use.<br><br>The links below cover the empire, the army and the k.u.k and military records.<br><br>The empire had various military administrative areas, and your guy might well have possibly served in a regiment that was based in his local area.<br><br>Finding some sources with specialized knowledge, ( as suggested ), is indeed a good idea, but what Germany, WW2, or Norway, might have t do with it, I have no idea, since both the k.u.k. and the Austro Hungarian Empire ceased to exist in 1918, after the end of WW1.<br><br><a href="" target="_blank"></a><br><br><a href="" target="_blank"></a><br><br><a href="" target="_blank"></a><br><br><a href="" target="_blank"></a><br><br><a href="" target="_blank"></a><br><br><a href="" target="_blank"></a><br><br><a href="" target="_blank"></a><br><br><a href="" target="_blank"></a><br><br><a href="" target="_blank"></a><br><br><a href="" target="_blank"></a><br><br><a href="" target="_blank"></a><br><br><a href="" target="_blank"></a><br> 2014-01-30 21:34:49Z infosending1 Re: Can someone decipher what this means? Absolutely. <br><br>You will have to go to a database for German Military Records and once in there type in, for example, Norway in the search feature, then type in that date 10 May 1942 to see if anything pops up about what the Germans were up to that day.<br><br>In Google type German Military Records WW-II. <br><br>Let me know if you need additional help. <br> 2014-01-30 18:06:46Z heislord15 Re: German soldiers during WWII Is there any way to tell where in Norway the picture was taken? 2014-01-30 17:31:46Z ginaoviatt2 Re: Can someone decipher what this means? I tried googling that and nothing came up, are you sure that's correct? 2014-01-30 00:16:54Z rreed827 Re: German soldiers during WWII "Remembering ......... 10 May 1942" Best guess: Norway 2014-01-28 22:35:49Z heislord15 Re: Can someone decipher what this means? Leader of the Laudable Imperial &amp; Royal Baron Ciroldi Regiment. 2014-01-28 18:42:33Z heislord15 Can someone decipher what this means? My German family book says: Führer beim Löbl. k.u.k Baron Ciroldi Regiment,<br>1. Bataillon<br><br>I tried googling it, but I just get confused!<br><br>-Rebecca 2014-01-27 23:45:59Z rreed827 Re: German soldiers during WWII Can anyone tell me where the attached picture was taken and what the writing on the back says in translated to English???? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.<br><br>Dave 2014-01-24 18:02:31Z ginaoviatt2 Message for FLOWERPRO 67 Kathy,<br><br>I have twice responded to your message, but it does not appear that you are receiving my replies. Consequently, I'll post here.<br><br>Jan 11 11:28 AM GMT<br><br>Kathy,<br><br>I checked for Gruzalski but found no one by that name. I also checked on-line here at ancestry for that name in the 1870/71 casualty lists without success.<br><br>As for Lohrer et al., I did find a Friedrich Lauer listed as a private in Grenadier Regiment 3. Unfortunately, there is no way to determine if this is in fact your relative.<br><br>The commemorative medals were given to all who participated in the war or who entered "enemy territory" during a certain time period. It was widely awarded and was accompanied by a nice certificate.<br><br>If you have any questions, please let me know.<br><br>Andy 2014-01-23 18:32:39Z andrewbaus Elsässischen Regiment (Alsatian Regiment) I'm not sure if I should be here or in the French military message boards!<br><br>I found a person in my Sekitsch family book who had "1736 Soldat im Elsässischen Regiment" I'm really just trying to find more information about this regiment, I feel pretty doubtful I'd find any service records for him. I tried googling it, but it was getting too confusing for me, anything you have to give in regards to this would be very helpful.<br><br>&lt;2595&gt; GERBER Johann Nikolaus &gt; 2593.1<br>* 05.05.1693 Eschburg/Elsass; † .04.1748 Eschburg/Elsass<br>518<br>Eltern: Gerber Johann Matthias, Steinberger Maria Apollonia<br>1736 Soldat im Elsässischen Regiment<br>oo<br>BRUMM Anna Barbara<br><br>-Rebecca<br> 2014-01-20 17:12:26Z rreed827 German Military Records 1850 - 1865 Looking for information on my Great Grandfather. Served in the German Military. We were told by his son that he left the German Military due to being struck with a riding croup by the Kiser. Wondering if anyone knows of records of deserters or just those in the military<br> 2014-01-14 03:30:46Z ehrenreich2010 Re: 1870/71 Iron Cross List There is a private Karl Julius Ohlendorf from Brunswick infantry regiment 92. I checked the regimental history and he was in the 1st company. He is not listed in any casualty list contained in the unit history.<br><br>Andy 2013-12-30 00:54:04Z andrewbaus Re: 1870/71 Iron Cross List Thank you Andy 2013-12-30 00:02:13Z kinkolectur Re: Prussian infantry regiment 135: von Oettingen Rittmeister d. R. von Oettingen is listed among the casualties in the Garde-Füsilier-Regiment's history. There is a c. one page account of the fighting on July 31, but no mention of the circumstances of his death. 2013-12-01 00:33:47Z Ken_Sch Re: WWII: Ukraine/Russian Waffen-SS unit information? Bob,<br><br>I'm not very familiar with this topic but I do know that a large proportion of the Waffen SS consisted of Volksdeutch (ethnic Germans). There were a few Ukrainian units, but I'm fairly certain that the Volksdeutsch were formed into separate units or assigned to the existing "Germanic" units.<br><br>If you haven't done so already, you may want to submit a "tracing request" with the Deutsche Dienstelle; it will take about a year for them to respond, and it's likely there will be little surviving documentation on the person(s) you are interested in (depends on what branch they served with):<br><a href="" target="_blank"></a><br><br>In regards to identifying the unit, you may want to try Axis History Forum:<br><a href="" target="_blank"></a><br><br>Ken<br> 2013-10-22 23:37:10Z Ken_Sch Re: German Army WWII records ? <a href="" target="_blank"></a> 2013-10-22 23:21:46Z Ken_Sch Re: German russian Military uniform It's definitely not a German uniform. 2013-10-22 23:15:59Z Ken_Sch Re: German cavalry involvement in First Boer War? Thanks for all that information. Sounds like a typical family story that has gotten changed over time. <br><br>I don't believe my great-grandfather lived outside of Germany prior to his emigration to the US in 1890, so it's unlikely he had any involvement in the Boer War. Would there have been an opportunity for him to serve as a cavalry soldier under German command elsewhere at some point between 1878 and 1890? I'm assuming he would have been affiliated with a unit from his native Rhineland Pfalz (Palatinate?). Wasn't that considered part of Bavaria at the time?<br><br>Thanks in advance for any guidance you can give me. 2013-11-20 16:19:48Z ellenrozsa German cavalry involvement in First Boer War? My great grandfather,Simon Johann, a native of Dernbach, Rhineland Pfalz, supposedly fought as a cavalry soldier during one of the Boer Wars, but as far as I know there wasn't any official German involvement in the Boer Wars. He would have been 18 in 1878 and emigrated to the US in 1890. Any suggestions for where I might be able to research German cavalry deployment between 1878-1890? Thanks. 2013-11-19 02:21:18Z ellenrozsa Re: WWII: Ukraine/Russian Waffen-SS unit information? Ken,<br><br>I’ve already spent too much time on the Axis History Forum. I’m something of a history nut and I keep getting sidetracked with the different topics. I start with specific searches, and then I’m way a field.<br><br>I’ll probably try Deutsche Dienststelle (WASt) when the other searches have been exhausted. Kirchlicher Suchdienst, at ... <a href="" target="_blank"></a> is another tracing site I plan to try.<br><br>Thanks, much for your help.<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Bob Fleck 2013-10-24 17:10:48Z rj_fleck Re: WWII: Ukraine/Russian Waffen-SS unit information? timtracker,<br><br>Thank you for your insights concerning my relative. I never thought about it, but I’m sure you’re right about the Germans not wanting to advertise SS affiliations at the end of the war. It would seem that the EWZ of George Berger’s wife (see attachment) was created/processed in December of 1944.<br><br>Were EWZ records created for ethnic Germans who were in the SS?<br><br>Also, thanks for the web links. The first was new to me, I have used the other two.<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Bob Fleck 2013-11-22 16:01:48Z rj_fleck WWII: Ukraine/Russian Waffen-SS unit information? When ethnic Germans were being “resettled” into Germany at the end of WWII they were required to complete extensive documentation concerning many aspects of their lives. One of my distant relatives (Georg Berger born in Steinfeld, Odessa, Russia) apparently was in the German Army. The attachment shows a section from the EWZ documents of his wife.<br><br>This is what I think it says in the German, “Ehemann: b.d. Waffen SS stammmühlenlager über Badeb orn Ersatz Ausbildung Battalion 5 nicht geschl.” Can anyone further enlighten me? Can you tell anything about his rank or organization from the attachment? Is there a website that might give more details about individuals from Ukraine/Russian who were in German army units?<br><br>Regards,<br>Bob Fleck 2013-10-20 18:48:21Z rj_fleck Re: German soldiers during WWII How can I find out what unit my grandfather served in?<br><br>Dave 2013-12-22 23:44:41Z ginaoviatt2 Re: German soldiers during WWII I do know that my grandmother Paula was married Knisse. As I have her Arbeits Buch and the last name is Knisse. 2013-12-14 20:05:50Z ginaoviatt2 Re: German soldiers during WWII Thomas:<br><br> Thanks for the information. I am just going by the informaiton that my mom has given me. I guess I am going to have to double check with her about it. It could be that Ernst Knissa is misspelled. So until I double check with my mother I will have to go with what I have. How did you find that information? I have been looking and searching google for it and never did come up with it. Would there also be an entery for Paula Grohse in the second entry? Or how can I find her? Again any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.<br><br>Dave Benischek 2013-12-14 18:28:51Z ginaoviatt2 Re: German soldiers during WWII I am looking for information on my Opa Erich Knisse. I know he was born 22 Jul 1905, I don't know where he was born. I know he died sometime during the Lapland war (or The Continuation War) with Finland, between 1941 and 1945. He is buried at The German War Memorial on the shore of lake Norvajärvi. I have already went to some of the websites that Ken has posted. I have not heard back from any of them as of the time of this post. I must say thank god for as my German is not that great either. I know that his wife Paula Knisse (Grohse) was living in Meissen, Saxony, Germany working for the German Red Cross during WWII. My mom Ursula Elsbeth Knisse born 7 Feb 1937 in Meissen and her sister not sure when she was born in Meissen. If there is anyone that can help me with this I would be truly great full. My name is David Benischek and my mother in law is letting me use her account. So please any replies leave to Dave. Thanks in advance. 2013-12-07 21:57:51Z ginaoviatt2 Re: German soldiers during WWII Hi David,<br><br>there is some difference in the dates mentioned by you and the War Memorial site <a href="" target="_blank"></a> . Same info here: <a href=";tx_igverlustsuche_pi2[gid]=39f07225001fe2bedfb2043d108acf3a" target="_blank">;tx_igverlustsu...</a><br><br>That Erich Curt Knisse was born Sep 3, 1907 in Bergwerk, part of Gruben ( near Meissen!! ). 1904 directory for Meissen shows Ernst Knissa ( misspelling?), Gruben No 4., shoemaker.<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Thomas 2013-12-14 13:29:06Z T_Pein Re: German russian Military uniform Thank you so much I will try them and see what they say.<br>Nadene 2013-09-26 14:35:38Z nadenegoleski Re: Prussian infantry regiment 135: von Oettingen Thank you so much. You are an absolute star! <br><br>One error in the original I think - his wife was Ruby Barrett, and they married in June 1914. Poignantly, Ruby's brother was killed in Flanders in June 1917. <br><br>My thanks again: wonderful to have such expert help so quickly.<br><br>Graham 2013-09-26 09:43:09Z grahamsimons Re: Prussian infantry regiment 135: von Oettingen Andy, thanks again - and I agree, always cite what the reference says even if you know it's in error. All the best<br><br>Graham 2013-09-26 19:52:14Z grahamsimons Re: Prussian infantry regiment 135: von Oettingen Many thanks - another piece in an amazingly complicated jigsaw! Graham 2013-12-01 09:26:29Z grahamsimons Re: 1870/71 Iron Cross List Jan,<br><br>There is a Gustav Friedrich Philipp Kankel listed as a private in the Pommeranian field artillery regiment 2. This regiment was stationed in and around Stettin.<br><br>Andy 2013-12-22 09:45:42Z andrewbaus Re: Prussian infantry regiment 135: von Oettingen Graham,<br><br>Glad to help, and I thought that would draw your attention, but Ruby is listed as his mother, erroneously, no doubt as you point out. Just want to reproduce the information as contained in the source.<br><br>Andy 2013-09-26 19:47:13Z andrewbaus Re: Glaubitz There was a senior NCO (Vize-Feldwebel) Oskar Richard Emil Glaubitz in field artillery regiment 5 who received the EK2. This regiment was garrisoned in Silesia in 1871.<br><br>Andy 2013-09-26 09:25:48Z andrewbaus Re: German russian Military uniform Unless I am badly mistaken the photo was taken by a photographic studio in Tiraspol which is in today's Moldova - part of Russia until the collapse of the Soviet Union - hardly likely to be German although I am no expert on Russian uniforms so could not say which division/regiment. 2013-09-29 16:21:08Z halpark Re: WWII: Ukraine/Russian Waffen-SS unit information? Bob, <br>Try googling "Ukrainian German Waffen SS" - there are several websites from several perspectives which could add at least something to your search even if not about actual individuals. Some are Wikipedia about which one must be cautious but worth looking at.<br>Happy further hunting. 2013-11-24 13:46:08Z halpark Re: German Soldier WW2 There are just 54 entries for Langejuergen in dastelefonbuch. It could be worth a few polite letters just to ask if anyone has any knowledge of this. Only costs a few stamps and the worst that can happen is no reply - and it has worked for some. The second possibility is that you seem to be sure he was in an UNRRA camp. UNRRA records are held by the World Health Organisation why not write to them and see if there is any record of how the child ended up with them, who the father really was and where he came from. That could pinpoint a district which could help. 2013-10-23 11:48:01Z halpark Re: German russian Military uniform I am not sure that the "symbols" below the cockade are numbers. I think they could be Cyrillic letters. "B" (pronounced like "v") and the letter which has the sound of "P" but which I do not know how to illustrate here. It looks a bit like two capital "I"s close together. An abbreviation for something - like R.A.M.C., R.A.S.C., etc.? It could also possibly be the letter which looks like an "N" written backwards which has a sound of "ee". 2013-10-23 11:33:11Z halpark Re: 1870/71 Iron Cross List Are there any OHLENDORF's on your list? 2013-12-29 18:53:10Z kinkolectur Re: WWII: Ukraine/Russian Waffen-SS unit information? The EWZ documents appear to be made up for all Germans either moving West as part of the population exchanges or coming under German occupation later. I see no reason why SS people would be left out.<br><br><br>I think that he may have either volunteered for the SS. From some time around 1942 the SS resorted to conscription because of a lack of volunteers.<br><br>I am not familiar enough with these forms to answer in any greater detail 2013-11-23 00:50:54Z timtracker Re: German cavalry involvement in First Boer War? Dernbach does appear to be in the Kingdom Of Bavaria. However, it is not impossible that, if he did serve in the military, he might have joined a neighboring kingdom's army.<br><br>See the attached link that shows Germany's overseas possessions. As you will see, their overseas empire gets going in 1884. European powers carved Africa up at this time in what was called the 'scramble for Africa' and formalised by the Berlin conference of 1884-5. It is thought that Germany ended up with the less valuable, more difficult to control areas because they were late-comers to the 'party'.<br><br>I am not too knowledgable on foreign deployments in the German colonies, but my impression is that most, probably all, of the local security was provided by locally recruited soldiers, with a relatively small number of German soldiers providing the officer corps, and perhaps also non-commissioned officers. These forces reported to the colonial authority rather than individual German kingdoms. You will need to do some research yourself to fill out the blanks here.<br><br>Prior to 1884 German involvement in Africa was limited to a few trading stations.<br><br><a href="" target="_blank"></a> 2013-11-20 17:54:31Z timtracker Re: WWII: Ukraine/Russian Waffen-SS unit information? The EWZ was issued not at the end of the war, but right from its initial phases. It allowed the Nazi party to check that people were really German enough.<br><br>It is highly doubtful (to say the least) if the letters 'SS' would have been rendered in the stylised lightning strikes by any official form issued after the war was over.<br><br>After the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact the Soviet Union and Germany swapped large numbers of each other's 'ethnic' populations, so ethnic Germans were sent, voluntarily or otherwise, westwards to areas under Nazi control. Additionally, Nazi Germany imposed the process on ethnic Germans after they conquered territory.<br><br>My German is not really good enough, but the line refers to the Waffen (fighting) SS and to 'Ersatz Ausbildung' (replacement training). This indicates the man was sent for military training, possibly in the SS, but it would be necessary to see more of the form to be sure.<br><br>Technically, the SS was part of the Nazi party rather than the German army.<br><br>Using parts of the document you have not copied, you might be able to find more from these sites :<br><br><a href="" target="_blank"></a><br><br><a href="" target="_blank"></a><br><br><a href="" target="_blank"></a> 2013-11-20 03:43:18Z timtracker Re: German cavalry involvement in First Boer War? No units from the German Empire served in the Boer Wars. Furthermore, no nation gave any material assistance to the Boers, for fear of a confrontation with the British.<br><br>There were no German colonies nearby at the time of the First Boer War<br><br>Some German volunteers did serve in the Second Boer War, about 550 according to Wikipedia. This was because of both pro-Boer and anti-British sentiment.<br><br>The first Boer War only lasted about 3 months (16 December 1880 until 23 March 1881) so there would have been little opportunity for anyone outside southern Africa to get there and take part. So, if he took part in this conflict, he was probably already there, so would have been regarded as a local rather than a foreign volunteer. Most Boers were of Dutch or German descent so he would not have stood out for that reason.<br><br>The Second Boer War lasted from 11 October 1899 – 31 May 1902, so allowed more time for volunteers to arrive. He would have been around 39 when this started, and it sounds like he was in the US.<br><br>However, you should remember that the entire Boer Army were mounted. So, they were all 'cavalry' (some might say 'mounted infantry' but that is splitting hairs to a non-military person).<br><br>Consequently, I doubt that knowing the movements of German units, of any type, really helps you. First, you must show he was in a particular army at a particular time. But, to fight in the Boer Wars, he would have had to leave the army.<br><br>Finally, remember that there was no German Army as such. The army was comprised of different national units from different kingdoms within the Empire. 2013-11-20 02:15:15Z timtracker Re: 1870/71 Iron Cross List Thanks for your help, Andy 2013-12-26 16:18:39Z janbdye52 Re: 1870/71 Iron Cross List Andy,<br>Can you tell me if there are any Kankel's on the list?<br>Thanks,<br>Jan 2013-12-21 22:38:49Z janbdye52