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Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:35 | 3137651 Zap Powerz
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You are correct sir.  The SCOTUS did rule that way. However, we have a government that does not abide by the constitution so, in effect, the constitution does not matter.  You have no rights.  I mean, you do and they are intrinsic because youre a human being, but you have a government that does not respect that principle.  To them, you dont have rights, certainly not the right to protect yourself from them with a gun.

So, you can tell the nice BATF agent all about the recent SCOTUS ruling after the flash bang goes off at 3:30am, your dog has been killed and your kids are screaming in terror as they drag you out of your house wearing only your underwear in the dead of winter.  You will then be held indefinantly without being charged for a crime.  You will not have a lawyer.  You will sit in a prison cell somewhere until you die because you were labled a terrorist for owning a .22LR single shot rifle.  If you had a weapon of larger caliber you would be too dangerous to apprehend and you would have just been shot on sight along with your family.

Welcome to the USA.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:43 | 3138061 Totentänzerlied
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If the Constitution does not matter, then the SCOTUS can "rule" however it pleases on any and all subjects with impunity. The issue is, and always has been, and always will be, ENFORCEMENT.

The best part is, most people believe that their rights are in fact conditional privileges which, should the majority or the government decide to annul them, it would be perfectly acceptable - and legal. And so it is.


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:58 | 3137794's picture




The Supreme Court held:[43]

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:35 | 3138839 FEDbuster
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Supreme Court Justice Scalia On Gun Control post Heller:

Watch the whole thing or skip to 4:00, where he starts to waiver.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:05 | 3137451 zerotohero
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the constipation is well over 200 years old and really needs to be thrown aside for some new logic and upgrading

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:17 | 3137508 smlbizman
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i agree....1+1=2 has been around for to long...... lets fix it....

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:25 | 3137570 Yes We Can. But...
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Bernanke has been hard at work on that

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:30 | 3137578 Pure Evil
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Ditto, the 200+ year old rag has been used to wipe the ass of the world's elites for so long no one can even make out the words anymore.

I think the new constitution should start this way:

     I Barack Obama, your new Lord and Master, herby declare you to be the slaves of our Satanic Communist overlords and the banking elite. You have no rights. Turn over all your wealth and posessions to the state and prepare yourself to be either reeducated or eliminated. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Kim Ill Jung, and Pol Pot have all shown us the way, the only way to deal with slaves unable to be absorbed into the new body politic. Double Plus Good.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:28 | 3137963 Freddie
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This would work for most union workers including the UAW, teachers, professors and govt workers.  Those love our dear master and mullah.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:29 | 3138319 SamAdams
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+1 vote for subtle 1984 reference

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:57 | 3138709 GeezerGeek
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I heard an audio clip that was supposed to be Barack caught singing in the shower. It started like this:

My country tis of Me

Dark land of tyranny

That's all I remember

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:44 | 3137704 I am on to you
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Has been fixed,its now called...1+1=Derivativ?=you name it,Trillions?Quadrillions,my favorit Donnald Ducks Uncle Joakim Fantasillions,was Disney an Economist?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:18 | 3137513 yogibear
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It would have been music to Karl Marx comrade.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:18 | 3137515 CPL
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Agreed, all laws should be abolished because that would be constructive...sigh


Or was that the intention to your statement?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:47 | 3138081 Totentänzerlied
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"Agreed, all laws should be abolished"

By passing a law? Appropriate, as your silly laws begin the same way - ex nihilo. The Constitution was supposed to be different. It wasn't.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:28 | 3137588 Joe Davola
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Who knew old people like Ruth Ginsberg could navigate the interwebs, let alone qualify for an account on such a nefarious site as this.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:47 | 3137722 caimen garou
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yep, lets throw it all away! thank you  obama and bernake for making me see the light. you have made me sell all my gold and silver and I burned the wood off  my guns to keep the house warm then sold the barrels for scrap so I can buy some mc donalds 99 cent garbage burgers. I am not working so I put my application at walmart but they told me I was to young,53 by the way! to young to collect social security and don't have the energy to go back to school and get another degree as I am depressed. Friday I have a doctors appointment for my depression and with any luck I may be able to get  one of thoes new american express cards, other people call them ebt. I am currently shooting targets with my new slingshot, I don't think they will ban it as it has no military features.  thats about it, again thanks to all the fine people that helped me along the way. Oh and if you think this lie is true,ask the blind man he saw it too!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:50 | 3137740 Shell Game
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Come for my guns then, zerotofuckyou, or send your statist/bankster masters.  Either way, there will be blood.  Mine in the short term, yes.  If they succeed, yours and your children's in the long-term, yes. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:03 | 3137822 NotApplicable
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"Either way, there will be blood."

Which, is exactly what they want.

As for your long term??? Thing is, other than a handful of obvious trillionaires/billionaires, you've no idea who "they" are. And those, well, they're pretty much untouchable.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:10 | 3138540 Overfed
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Nobody is untouchable. You just aren't thinking creatively enough.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:34 | 3138573 Shell Game
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Enjoy your posts NA, but on this one I disagree with your inference of inaction.  They want us to stay paralyzed to crisis and incrementalism.  'Long term' is the descent into a gunless society and full collectivist tyranny.  Seriously, if it ever comes to police state confiscation there is not excuse for not taking a stand.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:01 | 3137809's picture





Then there would be no president or congress to take away people's guns. Might be a good idea.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:51 | 3138105 A Nanny Moose
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The only logically consistent outcome, when you believe that all individuals are created equal, is to strip away the power of so-called authority.

When do we get started?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:05 | 3138183's picture

But don't we need a government with guns and prisons so that it can do the will of the people?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:33 | 3138339 Totentänzerlied
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Yes, shake out the weak (hyperstatist, socialist, etc.) hands - the ones who use laws and courts, religion, finance, economagics, politics, tax-men, media, and police thugs - or as I call it, collectively, The Statist's Toolkit - to implement their will, rather than the simpler - and more obvious - brute force of standing/occupying armies. 

The price of liberty is indeed eternal vigilance.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:13 | 3137873 shovelhead
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We are waiting patiently for your genuis to flower and guide us.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:44 | 3138065 A Nanny Moose
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The idea of government has been around, and failing, for several millenia. Something needs upgrading alright.

The Constitution, or any government decree, no longer applies. Individuals possess the right of self determination, regardless of some words on a shitty piece of paper, which nobody in power will ever obey.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 08:32 | 3140147 Clark Bent
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Pray tell us why douche bag. Does it stand in the way of some new form of freedom for a new sort of person. Such as the sort of uneducated indolent, mom's basement-dwelling, suckhole loser like someone you know? 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:05 | 3137453 DaddyO
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The Bill of Rights is a muscle that seems to have atrophied, it looks as if 2013 New Year's resolution may be to get back in better shape. There seems to be some movement at the gyms around the country.

Look here, and here



Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:12 | 3137482 1100-TACTICAL-12
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I beg of you fucking wanna be dictators to " Cease & Disist " the alternative is not going to be plesant for either side of the issue.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:22 | 3137550 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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They HAVE to know that already. If they do, that leads to the conclusion that they WANT the nasty result that appears to be looming on the horizon.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:33 | 3137632 FEDbuster
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Hence the miltarization of the police, stocking up on billions of rounds of hollowpoint ammunition, warrentless survailance of all citizens, NDAA rendition of all whom dare to criticize the current government, etc.....

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:51 | 3137751 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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Right. But why? I guess it doesn't matter why, all that matters is that they've (predictably) almost completed the implementation of a full-on police state. This was foreseen in John Robb's book, Brave New War. Also foreseen: evolving tactics of resistance.

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Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:31 | 3137620 yogibear
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Rather than following the rule of law more are opting to dump the constitution.

Looking for a few good tyrants and dictators!

People in the US are looking forward to Sepreme Leader. Here's your chance Kim Jong-un


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:25 | 3137567 AgAu_man
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Jan. 2009:  "I, Barak Hussein Obama do solemny swear to... uphold the Constitution of the United States of America".


I/we did not hear him utter a qualifier of "...Except for the 2nd Ammendment.  Or any other Ammendment that is not aligned to the prevailing national or political mood, policy or intent of my Administration."

So, technically, he would be in violation of his Oath, and is therefore... impeachable.  Is he not?  Or what lawful recourse do We the People have?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:36 | 3137660 knightowl77
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bring the pitchforks and your AR's to DC and string up any one of those turds that tries to disarm the people

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:49 | 3137733 Ragnar24
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The Tree of Liberty will get some long-overdue watering...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:34 | 3138009 Larry Dallas
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Recourse? What do you mean?

O stole the election, with flying colors. Bribes every angry black woman, man and child with foodstamps for stripbars, booze and iPhones. No one is going to do shit.


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:50 | 3138895 Totentänzerlied
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Who you gonna believe, the Constitutional scholar, or your lyin' ears?

PS: No one with power to do anything gives a flying **** about laws or rules or procedures or oaths.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 08:52 | 3140168 Clark Bent
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I thought we tried lawful recourse when 28 states and a plethora of other parties petitioned the federal government to declare the Obamacare plan unconstitutional, which it so clearly is. I think we have tried legal recourse in the November elections with a candidate who could only be aggressive with his rivals in the Republican party. But that was subverted by millions of foreign national voting to support the handout king. I thought we were relying upon lawful recourse when we hoped that the Administration might tell us the truth about gun-running in Mexico that resulted in thousands of deaths, and gun-running in support of al-Quaeda groups in Benghazi. I suppose we were relying upon lawful recourse when Attorney General Eric Holder was condemned for perjuring himself to Congress on several occasions. Perhaps we were relying on lawful recourse when he was shielded by Obama from any consequence of his crimes, as O is the Chief law enforcement officer in these Unoited States. I hope I am malking my point about the apparent inefficacy of lawful recourse. I am stsrting to feel like John Brown when he stated at his hanging that he did not think that that era's scourge could be resolved short of bloodshed. I do believe we have exhausted our the limits of law in this country where the lawless control all avenues to redress and they are ignoring our petitions. The country should commence dividing now into cohesive groups for the upcoming war. As a civil war, as an ideological war, and with compnents of a racial war, it promises to be one of the ugliest ever seen in human history. Obama is working hard to try to force a confrontation becuase he thinks he has the advantages of political support, emotional support in the wake of Newtown, and becuase nobody has pushed back agaionst him yet (except for the likes of Glen Beck). His political opponents have caved every time so far, he can rely on them to retreat always. I suppose he is calculating that if he outlaws guns, and then enlists rats in society to snitch on gun owners (he'll likely offer a bounty in a blue state), he will get his Waco style confrontation where he will order the dishonorable mercenaries in one of his grotesque agencies (pick one, they are all armed now, BATF, DHS, DEA, FBI, SSA(!) Treasury, etc.) and they will crush the resistor. Then its back to how sorry we are that it had to come to this but necessay, and so on. The message must be brutal and decisive, and it must be against a small and demonized group (tea party, Christian, etc.). What happens then will likely change America permanently one way or the other. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:54 | 3137768 larz
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who continues to vote these creatures in office?

I cant believe they are in office for more than one term

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:04 | 3137787 Shell Game
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+7.92 x 51   Pretty abso-fucking-lutely clear.

"If They Come For Your Guns, Do You Have A Responsibility To Fight?"


Duty to arm. Duty to train. Duty to resist. 


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 21:19 | 3139201 unrulian
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um....duty to use the correct caliber or it will be a short campaign, it's 7.62 sir....

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 22:13 | 3139383 Shell Game
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lol!  Love those dislexic moments...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:32 | 3137987 Teamtc321
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Fuck these fascist MFer's. Gun Free Zone every Fed and State facility first where you claim to work you sucking piglet's!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 22:02 | 3138326 billsykes
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If you believe the fraudulent government with the foreign president will abide by the rule of law, think again.






Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:58 | 3138482 Bloodstock
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",,,Shall not be infringed,,," means DO NOT FUCK WITH! I really believe that is what the founders meant to say but they were more eloquent than I.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:12 | 3138770 Teamtc321
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Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:25 | 3138810 cornedmutton
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Keyword: lawful.

All you have to do is make all firearm ownership unlawful.  Bam.  Problem solved.

Do I get a cookie?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:34 | 3137571 Randall Cabot
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If you didn't know before that Alex Jones works for the jew supremacists that interview with Piers Morgan on CNN should have convinced you.

First he claimed that Hitler confiscated the guns in Germany-that is not true, the jew supremacist Weimar Republic did that before Hitler came to power.

Then Jones said that Stalin confiscated the guns in Russia. True, but Stalin came to power as a result of the jewish banker backed jewish-bolshevik revolution mislabeled as the "Russian" Revolution.

He goes on to says Mao in China took the guns-true but again Jones neglects to mention that FDR and the jewsih supremacists brought Mao to power.

Then Jones says it is "foreign bankers" that are behind gun confiscation and of course he doesn't state the fact that these "foreign bankers" also own and run the Federal Reserve Bank are the same jew supremacist gang mentioned above.

But he does invoke the name of the jew supremacist dwarf Michael Bloomberg as a gun grabber but he quickly covers for his Bloomberg's jew supremacism by saying he's mafia boss shifting the blame away from jews.

And finally, on his Wednesday show, to avoid shining any light on CNN's jew supremacism, Jones claims that it is the "Nazi demon" Ted Turner who runs CNN-Ted Turner sold CNN decades ago!

Notice that Jones blamed everyone but the jew supremacists as being behind gun confiscation.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:53 | 3137759 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:09 | 3137854 PhD
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Seriously, my jewish neighbour confiscated the guns in Weimar and brought Mao to power? I would never have guessed!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:20 | 3137905 shovelhead
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He had help from my plumber.

They can shapeshift and time travel too.

Joos are sneaky like that.

Especially those Masonic Alien Joos.


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:55 | 3138131 A Nanny Moose
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...and my friend the Jewish Carpenter.


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:48 | 3139090 trav777
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more refusal to's amazing. They manipulate the message so well that you cannot bring yourself to even speak about race.

You acknowledge that they're trying to condition you on finance, morality, the role of government, etc.  That they're shoving lies at you nonstop on everything...but on this, they tell the truth?

There is something "aberrant" about a tiny minority being a massive majority in particular positions of power.  But, nope, let's pretend it's not there and buy the world a coke.  Wouldn't want to be a "racist."

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:30 | 3137981 Randall Cabot
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For a PhD your reading comprehension is pathetic-your neighbor my or may not be a jew supremacist.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:50 | 3138093 PhD
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No, I am quite sure he is a jew supremacist as he is highly orthodox and the Torah is quite clear on the issue of who is Gods people and who is not.

My point is this, stop using the word jew as there are many branches of Judaism.
A much better term for what you are describing is: Zionist Mafia

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:02 | 3138174 Randall Cabot
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First you said this: "Seriously, my jewish neighbour confiscated the guns in Weimar and brought Mao to power?

Then you said this:  "I am quite sure he is a jew supremacist"

What kind of an idiot am I wasting my time talking to here?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:17 | 3138249 PhD
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Thats it? Dissapointing,

I was hoping this rabbit hole would go deeper.

I guess some do end up in the sewer.

P.s. what about the neo-cons?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:53 | 3138314 Randall Cabot
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Explain why you defended your neighbor then admitted he's a jew supremacist.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:19 | 3138479 PhD
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I did so to illustrate my point, this being that the term supremacist does not have a clearly definition.
Hence, I can define my neighbour to be a supremacist because he is Orthodox. 
Sure, he is not at all the type of supremacist which you are referring to, but trust me, the people you are up against are NOT GOING TO CARE!
They are going to exploit these inaccuracies. They are going to twist them and transform you a tool for their own cause.

I too have studied the history and I agree with you premise, but I find your usage of poorly defined terminology to be counterproductive. 

This is about equality under the law, this is about liberty. Not about races or religion.


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 21:30 | 3139263 FeralSerf
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You are correct that it is not about races or religion.  It is about tribes and loyalties to those tribes and disloyality to one's neighbors that are not members of the tribe.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 21:46 | 3139313 steve from virginia
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@Randall, yr post gets a prize for being one of the most hate-filled rants ever to see the 'light' of day at ZeroHedge.


It is also entirely wrong. Neither Hitler, Stalin nor Mao 'disarmed' anyone! The phenomenon of ordinary citizens owning consumer goods such as firearms -- is strictly a modern, post- WWII American phenomenon, like the NFL.


Both China and pre-Soviet Russia were fantastically poor. Russia after World War One and China after WWII had seen fighting for decades. Citizens were lucky if they had clothes on their backs. They didn't have lawn furniture, flat screens, hybrids, slow-cookers or Glocks. 'Upper-class' citizens in these countries had blankets and cooking pots.


Germany after WWI was destitute, citizens did not have 'savings' there were almost zero middle class 'workers', the male population was severely diminished by the fighting, the Reichswehr (and its pets: Stahlhelm paramilitaries) had a monopoly on weapons including machine guns. Hitler took nothing -- neither did Weimar -- because there was almost nothing to take.


Hitler hated Jews, not the Jewish bankers! He despised the Jews he crossed paths with in Vienna and Munich before the war ...  when he lived on the streets as a starving artiste. The Jews he despised were small shopkeepers, peddlers, rag-pickers, beggars, street entertainers ... I suspect these low-level capitalists took pity on Adolf and gave him small amounts of money out of charity ... the deep resentment and humiliation that burned in Hitler became irreconcileable hatred.  ...


Lenin and Stalin seized prosperous Jews' property the same as they seized prosperous non-Jews' property. It was the Kaiser who brought the Soviets to existence and created the USSR. The Bolsheviks were not interested in theory but power: the most important character during the formation of the USSR was Leon Trotsky, who organized the Red Army.


Roosevelt had nothing to do with Mao: the President sent a competent general -- Joseph Stillwell -- to act as liaison with the Chinese ... forces controlled by Chiang Kai-Shek. Chiang's politics were similar to of Al Capone's ... what ran Republican (post-Sun Yat-Sen's) China was various mafias ... and the Japanese. Mao and his associate Chou En-Lai were competent military organizers, not so Chiang or the warlords. Any areas conquered by the Japanese were easily captured by Mao or convinced to associate with the CCP. Since Japan had conquered 30% of China, mostly in coastal areas and the whole of northern China, the surrender of Japan handed the bulk of the country to Mao. Blame Mao on Imperial Japanese ambition and over-reach.


Chiang would have to have been a military genius to dislodge Mao ... and he was far from it. Meanwhile, the Chinese did not have widespread firearms ownership, the country was destitute from 45 years of war.


Thanks for your time!

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:51 | 3139783 Randall Cabot
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You don't have a clue.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:13 | 3138222 The Heart
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Good. There is a very huge difference between a peace loving Jewish person, and a very hateful racist murderous zionist.


Thu, 01/10/2013 - 08:58 | 3140174 Clark Bent
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Those Jews sure are dumb. Every one of their coups results in their own genocides to a greater or lesser degree. How can they still be so rich after making all these losing investments? And what about their brilliant retreat into a sliver of desert wholly surrounded by the religion of peace? They need to get in another line of work other than world domination if you asked me. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:01 | 3138169 zerotohero
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you people have to wake up - Alex Jones is a shill - are you all that brainwashed.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:01 | 3138170 JR
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I notice, krispkritters, that it was a gun these media chicken cacklers were going to use on Alex Jones.

“These chicken &&%@#s are saying for someone to kill Jones? Am I hearing right? These *&%@#s are inciting violence! They need to be arrested. How easy for them to want everyone else disarmed while they want to send armed "men in uniform"? ie; the government, "TO POP" Alex Jones! What a bunch of NUTS! You wonder why the majority will not disarm? Bcs of hypocrites like these.”

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:42 | 3137299 SamAdams
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I am shocked the self-declared Zionist and author of the Patriot Act is now claiming he and TOTUS can nulify the 2nd ammendment at will.  All that together almost sounds like a Fascist Socialist agenda.  Perhaps a dual-citizenship congressperson will clarify?

If this traitor does execute, I guarantee the sleeping giant will begin to stir!!  Do they want this?  They have in fact been preparing for such occasion for some time.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:55 | 3137378 Bastiat
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A billion+ rounds of gut-pulping hollow point .40 cal says you are right.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:56 | 3137389 Dr. Richard Head
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Those?  Ohhhh!!!! Those are just for training. /sarc

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:27 | 3137585 Yes We Can. But...
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Yeah, training on the temple of a defiant citizen.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:57 | 3138147 A Nanny Moose
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If the collateral damage by NYPD is any indication of the ability of the average gummint employee to shoot their way out of a barn....we have little to worry about.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:28 | 3138819 cornedmutton
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Unless you're standing behind and a little to the right of the guy they're trying to mow down.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 21:25 | 3139238 unrulian
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true... but close does count with predator drones

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:58 | 3137398 Freddie
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Keep watching TV and Hollywoods crap - your viewership supports your serfdom.  TV (including Fox) and Hollywood are NOT your friend and they do want to disarm you.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:20 | 3137526 Tango in the Blight
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You sound like a broken record. Keeping repeating that won't dissuade anyone from watching TV or films. More likely the opposite.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:29 | 3137597 Yes We Can. But...
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Freddie is right.  Their programming is programming.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:56 | 3137785 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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Of course he's right. It's common knowledge. Doesn't change the fact that he's a broken record. Just like the people on here who bring "da joos" into Every. Single. Thread.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:51 | 3139100 trav777
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You have nearly every significant congressional chairmanship held.  Dominance of media and finance.

Gross disproportionality in representation...anecdotes from people who've worked in those professions about how they get in and work to purge gentiles from the rosters and promote their own.

I mean, how do you reconcile this?  SHRUG?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:21 | 3139566 Cosimo de Medici
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Freddie sold me my new 60" LED HD and my cable subscription, which is cool because I've never seen either Idol or Dancin' or that wife of the New Jersey Governor (What's her name?  Snooky Boo Boo or something?).  He also convinced me to convert to Islam ("Le Allah ila Allah he wa Mohammed ar rasul Allah") and consider running for the Oval Office.  Now if only I can convince him to be my campaign manager.  West Wing Office Freddie!  Hey, wasn't that also some TV show with Charlie Sheen?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:28 | 3137967 Blues Traveler
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I encourage you to keep beating the drums Freddie, the have no idea that bell tolls for all of us.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:16 | 3137504 aerojet
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Eh, the knife cuts both ways and doesn't care--nobody in government is going to have much of a taste for attacking the citizenry once their houses burn down with their families (and many of them) inside.  They should be very scared of picking a fight with their own countrymen.  Only the few despots at the top will have security teams to protect them and those security folks have families, too.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:24 | 3137555 CPL
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And 200 million plastic coffin liners as well.




Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:00 | 3137413 NotApplicable
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Gee, it's almost as if they're trying to start a real civil war to cover up their crimes.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:40 | 3137683 Winston Churchill
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Seem to be in a big hurry as well.

Just dumping boiling water on us victim frogs.No foreplay at all.Whats just

around thats corner thats  upsetting the slow progressive raise in temp.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:09 | 3138531 seek
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I think it's odd they're in such a hurry as well. Either this is groundwork, or maybe someone (Anonymous?) got a hold of something special.

Remember last week O used some very odd language that hinted at him not completing his term, I can't help but wonder if the two are connected.


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:23 | 3137923 krispkritter
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I wonder if there's a 'Nobel Civil War: Leave Your Country In Pieces' Prize? You know, so Odumbo can win again?

In ordinary circumstances I think the average citizen would be shocked that the Progressive/Left would advocate violence to make their points(see my post above) or that a person who was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize would continue to wage, and even start, wars/conflicts overseas while carrying out class warfare at home and railing against guns which in fact afford a citizen a degree of safety Government cannot provide. I guess these days the only thing that shocks me is that people watch Honey Boo Boo and call it 'Reality TV'...

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:33 | 3138006 Freddie
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This Obama is just like Lincoln BS - pushed by the scum in Hollywood and TV must be an inside joke.  He wants to be the next Lincoln.  We know how that turned out.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 18:26 | 3138618 gnomon
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Obummer wants to observe by drone while DHS and some willing brown shirts and U.N. eurotrash burn their way to Atlanta and on into Texas.  He won't be content until he has us "pacified", shut up for good, one way or another.

Napolitano in drag might make a passable Sherman.  

Obummer will get higher than a kite watching the bloodbath, final revenge exacted.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:14 | 3137496 MachoMan
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You, and everyone else, are getting the shit trolled out of them...  hence the tylers' note of biden's use of the word "can"... 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:23 | 3137552 SamAdams
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I honestly do not believe an excessive measure will be passed, as in complete ban through executive order.  I do think that a version of Feinstein's bill will pass, just as in the early 90's. 

Biden is simply talking up the idea to garner support from the brainwashed masses, thus making Feinstein's bill more palatable.  And that my friends is the long and short of it....

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:40 | 3137655 MachoMan
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Yep...  incrementalism is the game...  and the sunset of the prior bill created a panic amongst the incrementalists... 

I find it fairly disingenuous for one to now proclaim that prior bills were bad/unconstitutional/etc. after close to 20 years has passed and not shit was ever protested...  better late than never I suppose...  Seems pretty easy just to fall back into the old law, albeit with some cleverly drafted subtle changes/additions...  the redcoats feel victory for getting something passed expressly violating the second amendment and gun owners enjoy the spoils from the recent buying spree (appreciation of firearm values)...  win win...  kick the can.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:11 | 3137825 SamAdams
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Indeed, slow and steady with increasingly strict aspects. On the other hand, they did expect to be further along in the destruction of US sovereignty and integration into world government. We are now 13 years beyond schedule. I think things are moving along much quicker. Perhaps they will try to take a large bite?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:50 | 3138431 CPL
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Why would they?


It would create a huge schizm in all government agencies working towards your defined goals.  Turn up the heat, the frog jumps.

Whereas a frog boiled slowly won't leave the pot.  If you've been plotting a major change for a hundred years, what's 10 more?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:56 | 3138916 Totentänzerlied
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By definition, incrementalism eventually leads somewhere. Not knowing where it's going or when it'll get there ... that's kinda the whole point.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:07 | 3137842's picture




But what about the Long Rifle? Catch-22!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:43 | 3138382 SamAdams
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catch .223 to be precise...  guns of scarey appearance are first, but it will eventually be all semi-auto.  Austrailia is left with bolt-action Mosins.  Not something you want to brandish against an M4 or 16 unless you have backup. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:48 | 3138890 Rogue Trooper
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True enough but there is no need to fight fair or by their rules.... no need to hold out in your fortress to get gassed, stun grenadied and then cut to pieces.

Mosin-Nagnat scoped will do just fine... urban situations, or even a hill top and trees, offer plenty of areas for cover.  A small group can cause mayhem on a patrol and you may even pick up some M4's that are lying around... then disappear.

Will be plenty to get once TSHTF.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 22:01 | 3139356 steve from virginia
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If yr 300+ yards away the Mosin-Nagant is the way to go.


If you bother to read US after-action reports from Afghanistan or Iraq you would be surprised to know that the M4 carbines uniformly jam after a few rounds leaving soldiers defenseless.


Old M-60 machine guns and (Belgian-made) SAW along with grenade launchers are most effective-and-reliable small arms in battles in our current wars. US should go back to bolt-action rifles ... we don't fight actual wars any more. Instead, our forces are glorified SWAT teams.


Simple pump 12 ga shotguns are also reliable, cheap and effective. Old is good under the right circumstances.


BTW: good thing the US doesn't fight actual wars any more b/c the public would be horrified/outraged by the human costs.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:21 | 3137529 bigkahuna
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Hey All,

This is orchestrated - all of it. One way or the other the president of the USSA will get what he wants: Overbearing Control.


Sheeple shrink away from this, he goes on a sped up incremental confiscation. Perhaps this term perhaps next, DC will take a ginormous shit in our hapless direction.

Sheeple get mad and resist, he gets to declare martial law due to popular insurrection. He gets power now and sheep start getting slaughtered back into place.


We do get to choose though. It is still a free country right?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:22 | 3138279 The Heart
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Good possible truth here. The gods of Hegel are dancing on a pin.

Is the brilliance intuition...or is intuition brilliance?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:55 | 3137306 Michaelwiseguy
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Obama and the Democrat Agenda 21 collectivists will own the economic collapse of the USA. That's the main reason it was necessary to get Obama back in office. I knew the collectivist Marxists would uncloak and show their true stripes if we gave them the chance. Bring it on BO.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:49 | 3137330 Zer0head
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and right on cue Alex Jones confirms in the minds of the great unwashed the caricature of those who support the 2nd Amend up until a while ago he was still trending 

from twitter

@EugeneMirman Alex Jones is probably the very government plot he's been warning us about. He's got too much solid intel to be working alone.

I thought it was a clever twit but when you think about it for a guy who is as smart as AJ and who is a pro communicator he did more damage in that one interview to the credibility of those who support the 2nd Amend.

as another twit said (and this guy is from Breitbart

@verumserum Gun control advocates have sympathetic Gabby Giffords and we have ranting Alex Jones? Good grief.


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:54 | 3137370 Michaelwiseguy
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Gabby Giffords, Barack Obama's favorite vegetable.

As long as Alex Jones becomes a household name, that's what I want. 80% of Americans believe 9/11 was an inside job. First you got to get mad.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:01 | 3137426 Zer0head
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80%? it would be great if you could point to a source for that and I am not sure that all publicity is good publicity

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:12 | 3137485 Michaelwiseguy
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The percentage outside the USA is higher.

Scientific Poll: 84% Reject Official 9/11 Story

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:24 | 3137562 bigkahuna
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I reject the official story.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:55 | 3137738 Zer0head
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I think you said " 80% of Americans believe 9/11 was an inside job." - and you base that on the Alex Jones' article, which in turn bases it on a Poll commissioned by CBS - the links are broken in the original piece but I found a copy of the acutal poll.

I am not sure that poll supports your statement:




Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:11 | 3137859's picture


Scientific Poll: 84% Reject Official 9/11 Story


That doesn't mean that they believe that 9/11 was an inside job. Ron Paul disbelieves the official story but he says that the claims of 9/11 being an inside job are "ridiculous." It's just that sort of mischaractizion of the evidence that gives "Truthers" a bad name.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:17 | 3137890 Michaelwiseguy
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George Bush can't go anywhere outside the US because he will be attested for war crimes and tried in international courts.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:39 | 3138027's picture

Bismark is the capital of North Dakota.






Bush travels to Zambia, Botswana to raise cancer awareness By Faith Karimi, CNN updated 5:58 AM EDT, Wed July 4, 2012
Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:56 | 3138464 SamAdams
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That's the cover story.  Actually went to ensure the reason Obama has been sending troops.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:54 | 3138455 SamAdams
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Correction, Magog cannot go anywhere without a secret service enclave. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:59 | 3138926 Totentänzerlied
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And what, exactly, has come of this? Nothing. To my knowledge, no arrests, no inquiries, no trials, no sentences, nothing.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:12 | 3137480 trav777
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just like Jim Brady with his thumbs up

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:31 | 3137988 tip e. canoe
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Adam Lanza's a household name now too.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:41 | 3138051's picture

Let's talk about Mario instead.



Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:13 | 3137491 secret_sam
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Dude, Alex Jones' style of expression has always been the biggest hit to his credibility.  Turning red as a beet and shouting just doesn't LOOK GOOD on the teevee.  He has some good stuff to say, but his demeanor effectively ensures whatever he says will be dismissed by the vast majority of people.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:33 | 3137629 Chuck Norris
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Agreed.  Love Alex, but so many people miss his message because of his antics.

Anybody see this yet?  Alex hasn't said much about it:

My bet: the hoax will start to unravel (just like the hoax birth certificate obama released - how convenient they killed bin laden again days after it was released and scrutinized) Obama will HAVE to enact executive order before everyone catches on to the scam.  By then the sandy hook facts will be moot, as we'll be in an armed insurrection.

Which is exactly what obama wants.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:14 | 3137879's picture

That's better than a unarmed insurrection. And as insurrection is an uprising against legitimate authority those who would contravene the Second Amendment would be the insurrectionists in your example.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 20:17 | 3138989 Totentänzerlied
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Ignore the message, pay attention only to the messenger. The mind(less) control programming is working.

And you're hoping this "vast majority of people" - MSM-watching oblivious, credulous fools and knaves -  will do what exactly, should a great orator of libertry appear offering sound arguments delivered with a calm demeanor?

I can answer that question: look how "the vast majority of people" reacted to Ron Paul.

And all this implies public opinion means anything. Look at Congress's ratings. And what percentage of incumbents were re-elected? What percentage of people were against TARP when it passed? What about the current and recent wars? The list goes on...

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:26 | 3139721 secret_sam
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I'm not really a hopeful type, but I know a tiny bit about PR.  Another poster said it best the other day, wish I could remember who: they found the ONE GUY to debate with who would make Piers Morgan look REASONABLE.


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:07 | 3137461 aerojet
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I upvoted you because I agree, but in practical and realistic terms, no rights exist unless you can somehow protect yourself from the state which always and forever attempts to usurp them.  In other words, for pre-existing rights to be protected, the state would have to accept that notion as well and it clearly does not.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:18 | 3137514 Henry Chinaski
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The only rights you have are the ones that you are willing to defend.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:07 | 3137464 trav777
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for obama to do this would be utter political suicide

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:13 | 3137488 otto skorzeny
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what the fuck does he care-the S will HTF and there will be no US of A left to vote another Zionizt puppet into office

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:35 | 3138847 GeezerGeek
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I'm confused. Is he a Zionist puppet or a Muslim sympathizer? Is he supporting the Muslim Brotherhood everywhere because he wants them to take Israel down, or is he trying to foment an anti-Israel action so Israel can justifiably retaliate? Is he pushing the nominations of Kerry and Hagel to irritate Israel, or to embolden Iran so they'll make a move and be vaproized by Israel? Or does he really want Israel brought down? And how do the Zionist puppet masters feel about all this?

Maybe it really doesn't matter, because we may perhaps be 'living' in a giant simulation of sorts. There have been serious scientific articles about the entire universe being a holographic projection, about the universe being a holographic projection surrounding a supposedly real Earth (, and recently articles suggesting we may be a simulation run by our distant progeny.

Too bad the simulation, if it is one, keeps interfering with my peace of mind. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 21:46 | 3139317 FeralSerf
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The House of Saud is Jewish.

It's all part of the Hegelian Dialectic.  

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:23 | 3137553 secret_sam
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True, but his political career is already over.  The only reason any preznit would do something so stupid would be to incite mass civil unrest.

I'm sure many folks here believe the Feds are just praying for an excuse to start rolling troop-transports into the streets, but I'll make a prediction:  That ain't gonna happen any time soon.  1/9/2013.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:47 | 3137684 bigkahuna
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We'll see. Whoever has the  best training and equipment/logistics wins the troops rolling into the streets scenario. Before that happens, the DoD may have it's own civil war.

There are a lot of sycophants in the DoD (all branches). We will see what happens as the beast finally "un-cloaks". There will likely be some type of insurrection in the armed forces-->and further, there will be those troops and NCOs/officers who will not follow illegal orders.

However, there will be plenty of boot-licking sycophants (see field grade officers and generals) and flat-liners (see senior enlisted) who will just go along to get along and order their timid junior officers, enlisted, and Soldiers to kill off any resistance. They will be well equipped, well trained, and well supported (logistically). They will follow their orders because they are either sycophants, flat-liners, or just plain scared/timid.

If anyone goes out to man up against that, they better either have a WHOLE lot of available force, and/or a whole lot of distance. Otherwise the probability of your efforts being wasted are very high. Also their is a great likelyhood of being killed off. Myself, I would rather live and die free than exist as a miserable slave.


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:13 | 3137876 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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IOW, Obama 2016!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:29 | 3137583 HungryPorkChop
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Now's the time to do something like joining the NRA.  Blogging doesn't do anything to slow down their propaganda blitz.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:55 | 3137778 NemoDeNovo
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Join the NRA?  ROFLMAO, you mean the same NRA the Supported the '68 Gun Control act that started us on this path on weapons limitation???  Yeah the NRA is your "Friend" in Gun Rights.....LOL

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:20 | 3137903's picture

Try the GOA. This guy puts the advocacy of Wayne LaPierre (not to mention Alex Jones) in perspective. Pratt is on his game.


Piers Morgan debating GOA Larry Pratt

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:26 | 3137955 Buckaroo Banzai
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Gun Owners of America is a MUCH better organization than the NRA.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:05 | 3137832 uraniuman
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Excellent suggestion. (Actually did that yesterday on a premonition of sorts)

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 17:23 | 3138287 Treeplanter
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You have stated is the key fact.  Does Lord Obama want to create an exponential increase in the ranks of the Oath Keepers?  Let him start the war now, before the number od domestic drones has swelled.  Advantage patriots. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:34 | 3137249 12ToothAssassin
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Jan 27th *temporary* executive order announced to hold over until Congress finishes off the permanent ban on already banned (as of 1934) 'assault weapons' .

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:52 | 3137355 Dr. Richard Head
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Your quote is the perfect answer to Max Keiser's tweet that if Second Amendment rights were so important to the American people they would have used it by now.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:04 | 3137446 NotApplicable
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Funny how he shows up in such classic agent provocateur poses. First he attacks JPM in order to get some street cred (accomplishing nothing), then attacks Austrian Economics and Mises, and now is attacking the American people directly, mocking them for not rising up against the government.

Keiser reveals his true nature a bit more every day. No wonder he's yet to respond to Tom Woods intelligently, as he obviously knows he can't.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:23 | 3137554 Dr. Richard Head
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I used to dismiss some of max's socialistic solutions, as he was fighting against the Morgan beast.  I fear you are indeed right.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:28 | 3137594 otto skorzeny
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if-as its said- he's banging Lauren Lyster-it would be hard to think straight with the thought of getting into that sweet poon every night.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 15:56 | 3137788 eatthebanksters
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Why do we need semi automatic weapons and assault rifles:  yes to protect us from an oppressive govenrment, but from a more realistic standpoint think about the Rodney King Riots...who kept the law and order?  Not the fucking cops...they wouldn't show up.  It was the Korean dudes on the roofs of their shops with semi auto weapons.  Got a clue now?  Here's a crazy wild thought that jus may have a grain of truth in it.  If our economy implodes the inner cities will go nuts and riot.  Cops and military will not go into those places until they have burned themselves out, maybe 6 months or a year later...the cops and military don't have the numbers to handle the job while things are out of control. This whole gun control thing is happening real fast...meybe TPTB know something we don't and are tryng to take our weapons away before the shit hits the fan sooner than later..hmmm, am I crazy?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 16:18 | 3137899 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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I'm confused by the junk . . .

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 01:25 | 3139857 spyware-free
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Don't  be. It's Piers Morgan. He trolls this site under various aliases.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 19:41 | 3138868 GeezerGeek
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Why don't they just take away all the illegal weapons and leave us law-abiding citizens alone? Sounds like a plan to me!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:31 | 3137235 Azannoth
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Ameeeeen Brother!

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 14:59 | 3137415 Silver Bug
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Wow, this would be a bad bad play on their part if they go ahead and do this.
