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You should be ashamed!

piracy is not a victim-less crime.


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#58 - matralith (07/06/2013) [-]
mfw piracy
#143 to #58 - sinclairr (07/06/2013) [-]
For those who need a little back tory on the guy in the picture, I'll give you it. He had pirated over 2 thousand (or at least that;s the number I found when I had first heard of him) movies multiple times over, keeping separate copies. He would than send these pirated videos, for free, to military units over seas, so they could enjoy them without the worry of extreme prices of shipping
User avatar #85 to #58 - arsyro (07/06/2013) [-]
ETA 34 years
#34 - infinitereaper (07/06/2013) [-]
Piracy harms the economy?    
How about that billion dollar bail out on those big 						***					 financial entities that caused the biggest financial disaster in U.S. history?    
How about 						*******					 that bill at the turn of the century that allowed different financial corporations to merge and become to big to fail as they are today?   
How about the huge deficit and rising inflation    
I'm sorry for taking what I can, but things are tight and if this was a golden age I'd pay for everything fair and square. But that's just the thing, the world ain't fair and square. When corporations, governments and entities don't play by the rules why should any of us?
Piracy harms the economy?



How about the huge deficit and rising inflation


User avatar #196 to #34 - ilikesharks (07/06/2013) [-]
You do know that all the companies that were bailed out have turned a profit and repayed the bailouts right?
#185 to #34 - 2scared2login (07/06/2013) [-]
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User avatar #141 to #7 - destaice (07/06/2013) [-]
That's $20 billion dollars not going to the company who made the product.

That's why it's important.
#72 to #7 - vrox (07/06/2013) [-]
I'm probably gonna get thumbed down for this, but that isn't completely accurate.
Without piracy, people need more money in order to buy the games they want. This then motivates them to do things like get a job, or a second job, or a better job. If they do that, it means they are contributing to society, helping it.
But with piracy, they don't feel motivated to get a job because they figure "oh, I can just pirate it, I don't need the money."
#78 to #72 - 2scared2login (07/06/2013) [-]
99% of what i pirate, are things i never would pay for, ever.
#128 to #72 - 2scared2login (07/06/2013) [-]
yeah you know i don't need a job, i'll just pirate a car, food and a house.
#120 to #72 - 2scared2login (07/06/2013) [-]
Dude, you cannot pirate food, or a car, or a house, or drinks.. Pirating shouldn't influence your motivation to get a job, that is ridiculous.
#182 to #7 - thenewneone (07/06/2013) [-]
I'll steal a car, then use the money to buy shoes and comics, so its ok?
User avatar #184 to #182 - brettyoke ONLINE (07/06/2013) [-]
If you can replicate the car and then steal the copied version while leaving the original, then go ahead.
#195 to #184 - thenewneone (07/06/2013) [-]
great, i ll steal business off an honest car dealer make him go bankrupt. make his wife leave with his children. then he over doses on blue meth later on.
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User avatar #15 to #7 - guiguito (07/06/2013) [-]
what happend to adult swin? i love that **** and hunger force what so cool
User avatar #37 to #15 - kabuthefox (07/06/2013) [-]
its still on though...
User avatar #27 to #15 - Dap (07/06/2013) [-]
Nothing happened to it lol
User avatar #16 to #15 - Nitsuin (07/06/2013) [-]
It's been a minute since I watched T.V.....Adult Swim is gone?
#55 to #16 - Fuzzymarsupial (07/06/2013) [-]
It's still there and kicking, it even brought back Tom and the Toonami gang.
User avatar #208 to #55 - Nitsuin (07/07/2013) [-]
#5 - invadingaliens (07/05/2013) [-]
It's not a crime..

A person doesn't have money.
A person wants a game.
A person can't buy the game.
--- 0$ loss

A person doesn't have money.
A person wants a game.
A person can't buy the game.
A person pirates the game he can't afford.
--- 0$ loss

However, if you can afford the game, go buy it.
User avatar #10 to #5 - mrsecret ONLINE (07/06/2013) [-]
Let's be honest...
A person has money
A person wants a game
A person pirates the game
---$60 loss

#75 to #10 - lolelephant ONLINE (07/06/2013) [-]
Let's be factual...
A person gets $1200 a month
A person is taxed on that
A person then goes onto to spend anywhere from 25-75% of that on the cost of living
A person would now like to seek some entertainment
A person has decided to buy a game
A person does not want to be stung in the arse by $60 price tag
A person pirates a game.

Now we get to the good part.

Option A:
A person tries before they buy and enjoys it and buys it. + $60 to the industry, - $60 to the customer.

Option B:
A person tries before they buy and hates it so they do not buy it. - $60 to the industry, + $60 to the customer.

Option C:
A person tries before they buy it and they like but they do not buy it. - $0 to the industry because this person is a **** and would not by it anyway BUT this person is not as much of a **** as some who spends their time drink driving, mugging people or raping people.


Piracy maybe a crime (Debatable) but it isn't nearly as bad as other crimes yet it gets 100 X more attention due to the fact some **** dick CEO thinks he entitled to a couple of more hundred thousand dollars to go with his multi million dollar triple A game.
User avatar #69 to #10 - karidagur (07/06/2013) [-]
Let's be more honest...
A person has money
A person wants a game
A person doesnt want to spend $60
---0$ loss
#32 to #10 - taurusguy ONLINE (07/06/2013) [-]
It doesnt work like that, if the person actually wants to buy the game/music whatever, and just pirates it and stays at that THEN money is lost, if the man has little money to spare (enough to buy the thing, but has to look out for family or something, buy some new clothes etc) there wont be any money loss, but, if you have the money to spare and nothing else to spend it on, and you really CAN spend it on that, money is lost and you are an *** .
#21 to #10 - marcx ONLINE (07/06/2013) [-]
still wrong on that account.

A person has money
A person wants a game
A person has bills to pay
A person pirates the game
---$0 loss not 60$loss
You can not loss money on a product that is still available on shelves to buy unless the product is stolen.

If the game is good the person will end up buying it anyway. wether or not they have a pirated copy.

The flawed logic behind ur theory is that they loose money cuase a person pirated. they dont loose money on something that would prolly never had been bought.
The only way there is a profit loss is if the game is stolen from the store shelves.

We all know that most pirated games you would not end up buying anyway. The ones you like you end up picking up a physical copy .
The real loss of money is in the used game industry. Just because you pay for something does not mean the provider of entertainment gets paid their far share. Every used game or console sold is money out of developers hands.
User avatar #38 to #21 - kabuthefox (07/06/2013) [-]
to be fair if it was used someone already paid full price
and then someone else is buying it again for a lower price

if its from an actual retailer the entertainment industry is making the money they wouldve with 1 sold game + more
#40 to #38 - marcx ONLINE (07/06/2013) [-]
actually devs make no money off used games. ebgames/gamestop/etc make profit off the off used games. Every used game sold is one new copy, that devs make money off of , down the drain.
User avatar #42 to #40 - kabuthefox (07/06/2013) [-]
oh w8 nvm
i get what ur saying i was thinking of it in a weird way

i didnt put the second (or more) person into consideration
if used games didnt exist than everyone would need to buy new copies, your right

my bad
#52 to #42 - marcx ONLINE (07/06/2013) [-]
theres actually an article about the used game market and teh problems of it on teh interwebs somwhere
#50 to #42 - marcx ONLINE (07/06/2013) [-]
didnt see teh response till after i posted my comment lol
User avatar #41 to #40 - kabuthefox (07/06/2013) [-]
still they arent losing any money technically if someone already paid full price
they are making the same amount of money no matter what the person who bought it decides to do with it, persay

UNLESS the devs haveto pay for the retailer to host every copy of there game (even if its rehosted), but i dont think that happens.... does it?
#49 to #41 - marcx ONLINE (07/06/2013) [-]
You dont seem to understand they do loss money though.
Lets say someone buys 1 new game $60 profit
They sell it back to gamestop for store credit.
Someone comes in and buys the used copy for $55
Now that is $60 the developers just lost. so total profit = 0
or for short

devs = +$60(new) -60(used game sale)
game store = +$55(used game sale)

now for piracy

dev = $0(pirated copy) +-60(if person ends up buying a new or used copy)
game store= $0(pirated copy) +55(if the person buys a used copy)

this is how it really works in general terms of profit/loss give or take a few details.
If money is made off a game transaction outside of a new game purchase, developers dont make **** . Means the people that create the games you play dont see a dime of that profit
Why do you think devs hover towards dlc through psn/xbla . They make more money off those micro transactions than any used game transaction.
User avatar #79 to #10 - skaffanl (07/06/2013) [-]
Then again, it won't be $60 loss because if it'd be $60 loss they would sell their games to end up break-even. They'd probably lose $10 or something like that if you choose to pirate a game but they'd make $40 profit if you decide to buy it. And if your main goal of making a video game is to make money and not entertain people you're not an artist IMO but an entrepreneur. And any good entrepreneur can make a company a good profit. And an artist shouldn't complain (as long as he's able to produce more games) because he has fulfilled his goal, entertain people.
User avatar #169 to #10 - Timmietim ONLINE (07/06/2013) [-]
Person has money
Person wants a game but won't buy it
Person pirates it
0$ loss
User avatar #154 to #10 - sockprague (07/06/2013) [-]
$60 dollars that wasn't earned, not lost. Seems pedantic but there is a difference.
#151 to #10 - 2scared2login (07/06/2013) [-]
That's called potential loss.

You didn't take $60 from them, you prevented them from EARNING $60.

Now let's say you don't have money. There is no potential to make money from you. Therefore there is $0 potential profit from you. You pirate a game. $0 lost.

Pirating is making duplicating, not stealing.
User avatar #140 to #10 - theguywhofarted (07/06/2013) [-]
That's kind of mean, i don't have money for games i just had enough for the sistem, that is money for them anyways
User avatar #103 to #10 - ptolomeus (07/06/2013) [-]
60$ gain*.
#89 to #10 - 2scared2login (07/06/2013) [-]
I'm probably really rare in this respect, but i really don't like pirating things. I only pirate if i've already bought it in the past, or it's such a goddamn old thing there's no way i'd be able to find it otherwise. Or some such idea.

I don't pirate if i can avoid it.
User avatar #57 to #10 - guidedhand (07/06/2013) [-]
well, i think its fair enough to say that pirating has created a ******* boom in the number of jewish gamers.
#12 to #5 - 2scared2login (07/06/2013) [-]
the issue is that most of the pirates (at least that i know) can afford the game, they just don't want to buy it cuz they are cheap bastards.

it really doesn't matter tho, unless its an indy game, because then you are actually severely affecting peoples incomes. (don't' use the minecraft is rich example, that is one of the few exceptions).
User avatar #76 to #12 - pwnaged (07/06/2013) [-]
I pirate games even if I can afford them in order to try them so I don't end up wanting to try and get a refund. Or I pirate until I can afford to buy them.
#111 to #5 - 2scared2login (07/06/2013) [-]
Because of you i just lost the god damn game!
#73 to #5 - jinkazama (07/06/2013) [-]
-A person has a PC which can run the game
-Either they clearly have money (good PC) or it's a low budget indie game, so it would be dirt cheap anyway.

If you can afford the means to play the game you can afford the games. If you can't you save up instead of being a thieving prick or go play free to play games.
#163 to #73 - 2scared2login (07/06/2013) [-]
Most people argue piracy from the US perspective. Most pirates arent even in the US.

Sure, in the US the people might be cheap bastards, I dont argue that. In other countries, its a completely different issue. The top five piracy countries according to [url deleted] are russia, china, italy, brazil and india. Now, 4 of those 5 are countries where Dollar currancy convertion turns the game into very expensive. If every game is above 300 dollars, would you pay for it? most likely you cant. And thats why piracy is predominant in those countries. You just cant afford the game. You cant just shell out that kind of money for every game you want to play. (the games are not 300 dollars, but to the people in those countries is the equivalent to what 300 dollars would buy on the US). Italians are most likely cheap bastards though.
User avatar #53 - Kairyuka (07/06/2013) [-]
It gives the consumers more power. The power to directly choose "Do I want to SUPPORT this game/movie firm or not". It's no longer about "Do I WANT the product", it's about "Do I want to SUPPORT the producer"
#74 to #53 - jinkazama (07/06/2013) [-]
Piracy is bringing about a generation of self entitled pricks. If something isn't worth your money, it's not worth your time.
#94 to #74 - deadpeople (07/06/2013) [-]
Good wording Jink. I usually torrent a game if I like it I usually buy it, if I don't well then I stop playing it.
User avatar #136 to #94 - thefates ONLINE (07/06/2013) [-]
I think you accidentally your sentence.
User avatar #176 to #74 - Kairyuka (07/06/2013) [-]
How do you know before you try it?
#205 to #176 - jinkazama (07/06/2013) [-]
Look up one of the hundreds of reviews? Ask people about it? Play a demo if there is one?

Most stores let you return games within a week anyway and most online retailers are pretty cheap. What you're doing is just trying to justify piracy, which is just stupid. It's wrong, inarguably. Do it if you want, don't make ******** excuses though.
User avatar #207 to #205 - Kairyuka (07/07/2013) [-]
I download both games and music. If I end up liking it, I buy it. It might be illegal but I find it sensible to say the least.
User avatar #56 - farn (07/06/2013) [-]
the reason we got a lot of **** music is because the music/film industry is making to much easy money
User avatar #29 - pockyrin (07/06/2013) [-]
The problem with say hollywood blockbusters and some larger game companies is overinflation and distribution of money. I mean you want the money you paid to go back to the guys that made the game, not to say bail out a studio out of debt. Or when an actor gets paid millions to act in one movie, no actor is worth that. There is an incredible amount of greed from those type of guys. However when you use your money to support an indy game, you are directly repaying them for the hours they put in to make a cool innovative game, just for the enjoyment of seeing their ideas come to life. It makes me pretty damn happy to see interviews with indy guys who are shocked that their game did so well, because they really deserve it.
User avatar #82 to #29 - instalation ONLINE (07/06/2013) [-]
Off topic but what are some of your favorite Indie Games? Or what are you looking forward too? I am looking forward to Starbound.
#77 - 2scared2login (07/06/2013) [-]
"You download our game without paying for it! Thats the same as stealing!"

"We're banning you from our service for whatever reason we damn well please, taking away all the games you bought without paying you. Thats okay."
User avatar #11 - mrsecret ONLINE (07/06/2013) [-]
A lot of people work under the guy who has five houses. if the game/movies/song doesn't turn a profit then they lose their jobs
#62 to #11 - captnnorway (07/06/2013) [-]
Finally someone who shares my point of view. The sickly rich people are important because they give the nations a lot of work places. Which in turn pays for roads and schools and everything else the state does. Though I am not saying we should worship them or anything, but they do help for economic growth and in turn social growth if the people earn money.
User avatar #22 - I Am Monkey (07/06/2013) [-]
I never got pirating games, specifically the argument that "the game isn't worth the money". A game isn't like some 90 minute movie, it's 10+ hours. If it sucks you wouldn't be playing it. If you like a game you should buy it and support the developer so they can keep making good games. That inevitably brings up the argument "what if I buy it and then find out it sucks". That's why you research a game before you play it, it's not hard to figure out which ones are bad just from reviews and comments. Even if I were to pirate, I would still check reviews just to make sure I'm not wasting my time.
User avatar #39 to #22 - kabuthefox (07/06/2013) [-]
if i had the ability to **** out $60 everytime a new game comes out i want to try then i would go and buy them.
times are tough, and it seems frankly impossible to get a job unless you had a job prior.
i pirate cause i dont have the money to use on games and media, i have food and stuff to buy instead
User avatar #43 to #39 - gammajk (07/06/2013) [-]
So your excuse for not buying things is that you don't have enough money?
User avatar #44 to #43 - kabuthefox (07/06/2013) [-]
User avatar #88 to #22 - sweetnaptime (07/06/2013) [-]
right.... cod gets good reviews from people.
does that make it not a piece of ***** that you only play zombies on.
User avatar #25 to #22 - wersand (07/06/2013) [-]
How do you feel about pirating to find out if you like it and then buying it if you do. Also, on a semi-related note... I hate the concept of first day DLC. So I've pretty much stopped playing modern consoles.
#17 - kingoflint (07/06/2013) [-]
People always say that piracy does no harm, but I have to bring up two points:
1. Don't listen to the record companies, listen to the musicians. Every musician's contract is different but many that I listen to often say that piracy does affect their profits, therefore, why not support a band you like?
2. Most importantly, who are you to decide who gets more money and who doesn't? People say that "Oh the record companies don't need any more money, they're rolling in it" Who are you to say that they don't deserve any more? If your positions were switched, then I guarantee that you'd be extremely pissed that people were stealing from you. People like to pretend that it's ok to pirate music, games, movies, etc or that in fact they're on some moral high ground because they're playing Robin Hood. The fact is that you cannot simply decide who does and who does not get money. In a perfect world, yeah all of us hardworking people would be rich too, but the world is not perfect and stealing is not the way to fix that. No matter who you are, you cannot simply decide who does and who does not make money outside the boundaries of the law. Using that same manner of thinking, a hobo would be perfectly justified in stealing from a middle ***** person. I'm sure the hobo thinks he works pretty damn hard, why the hell should you get a house, and a car, and a computer? The point is, it isn't your decision to make. Next time you think of stealing through piracy, think about exactly what delusion it is that makes you think you have the moral high ground to decide that they don't need money to which they're legally entitled
User avatar #28 to #17 - pockyrin (07/06/2013) [-]
Notch publicly said if people want to pirate minecraft go right ahead, it doesn't bother him and it doesn't cut into his profits. It's not about taking money from starving artists, yes you should support any people that you like, and especially indie developers. But do I feel bad about pirating a hollywood blockbuster where stars get paid several million to act in one movie? No. Do I feel bad about pirating so called AAA game titles where most of the game is locked behind paid dlc? No.
#66 to #28 - dontread (07/06/2013) [-]
Why even repeat the things he wasnt speaking out against in his post?
#115 to #28 - kingoflint (07/06/2013) [-]
Well then I reiterate what I said above. What makes you so high and mighty that you feel that you can decide who makes money and who doesn't. It doesn't matter if they make 1 dollar or one million. Sure it may not seem fair to you, but it doesn't seem fait to them either that you are watching their movie without getting paid for it. If you don't agree with how much someone is getting paid for something, then don't support it but that does not entitle you to take it for free, you're not in a position to decide how much money they should get.
User avatar #203 to #115 - pockyrin (07/06/2013) [-]
But I actually AM in a position to decide how much money they get, by voting with my wallet. And pirating things that I'm vaguely curious about but that I know will probably not be worth the money. And it's not high and mighty to decide that getting paid 10 million for say 3 months of filming and acting is far too much. In an ideal society I'd rather people who actually have to train and learn a great deal of skill, like neurosurgeons to make that kind of money.
#206 to #203 - kingoflint (07/07/2013) [-]
If you think that they get paid too much, don't buy the movie, and don't go see it, but it takes millions of dollars to make the movie in the first place. Just because you don't think it's fair does not give you the right to not pay for it
User avatar #84 - douthit (07/06/2013) [-]
If I steal your bicycle, you lose your bicycle.

If I copy or download your song, you've still got your song.
#87 to #84 - comradewinter ONLINE (07/06/2013) [-]
If you try to sell your bicycle and some ******* is giving free bicycles out for free, you won't sell your bicycle.

One thing is commiting piracy, another thing is justifying it with illogical crap.
User avatar #90 to #87 - douthit (07/06/2013) [-]
But you can't justly use violence to stop a man from giving away free bicycles, simply because it decreases your chances of selling your own. That's insane.
#92 to #90 - comradewinter ONLINE (07/06/2013) [-]
Sorry, gives it away*
#91 to #90 - comradewinter ONLINE (07/06/2013) [-]
Yes, because he makes a copy of your idea and sells it.
User avatar #101 to #91 - douthit (07/06/2013) [-]
The first person to have an idea isn't the only person ever allowed to enact that idea. If I invented the chair, other people can still make chairs. An idea for an invention or process has no worth in itself, and the work put into making something is what has worth. Ideas are intangible, and it can't even be proven who had the first idea for anything.
#108 to #101 - comradewinter ONLINE (07/06/2013) [-]
The copier makes absolutely nothing. He just refabrigates it.
User avatar #123 to #108 - douthit (07/06/2013) [-]
Fabrication is "making" something. I think you mean inventing versus creating. But just because you're the first person to do something, that doesn't mean you're the only person who can ever do it again.
#125 to #123 - comradewinter ONLINE (07/06/2013) [-]
You dense ************ .

What you're describing isn't even closely remoted to piracy. You aren't remaking anything, you don't change anything, you just copy it and give it away from free, attracting potential customers of the original product to come get their free copy.

If you still don't get why you are so far off, I'm not even gonna discuss it further. Stealing someone's concept is one thing, stealing someone's content is another.
User avatar #144 to #125 - douthit (07/06/2013) [-]
What's the difference between content and concept, and what is the moral difference between utilizing the two?
#147 to #144 - comradewinter ONLINE (07/06/2013) [-]
There is no moral concept. Sharing is caring in morality. It's not the same in business. You start learning the difference in 5th grade, and which one that matters in a western society. Money is power, kindness is not.
#119 to #108 - victorianfancyman (07/06/2013) [-]
Then Pirating is fine so long as you only pirate stuff from larger companies
User avatar #122 to #119 - douthit (07/06/2013) [-]
#132 to #122 - victorianfancyman (07/06/2013) [-]
(referring to video games)

Because I'd rather damage large industry making ****** franchises.

Anyway, a majority of the time when I illegally download something I end up buying it in the end. Often it's video games that I like and want to support the developer. Even if they have demos, gameplay trailers, or even reviews- because those are only what the developer wants you to see Same goes for movies/TV shows that aren't on netflix.

If I'm not pleased with the product I won't waste time or money buying it
#109 to #101 - comradewinter ONLINE (07/06/2013) [-]
What you're referring to now is called competition. You can make something that's like a similar concept (League of Legends, Dota 2, 300 Heroes etc.), but you can't make a copy out of it and give it away for free.

The big companies hardly suffer as they have heavy protection and marketing making the games sell well, but smaller companies are dragged into the dirt and lose much of the profits, thus discouraging new developers from getting into the market. How can you not realize this? Are you seriously implying pirating is a private affair that has no infliction on the companies they mess up?
User avatar #124 to #109 - douthit (07/06/2013) [-]
I'm making a moral-based claim, while you're making a results-based claim. Doing the same thing as someone else isn't immoral.
#18 - lozarus (07/06/2013) [-]
I have pirated most of the games I own, because I cant afford them (games in argentina are fricking expensive).

If I couldnt pirate a game, I simply would not play it. If you research into the subject, most of the pirates of the world are in developing countries. According to media companies its because people in developing countries are ignorant that piracy is a crime. According to me its because their **** is so expensive I cant pay it. To give you an example, the latest battlefield costs as much as eating for a whole week.
#19 to #18 - kingoflint (07/06/2013) [-]
That is certainly regrettable and something certainly needs to be done to avoid economic problems such as this, as millions suffer similarly. Unfortunately, that is still not a justification for stealing in my opinion. I can understand stealing items such as food and other essentials, but beyond that, not being able to afford something is not a justification to steal it. If it was, then we'd have no need for money in this world
User avatar #26 to #19 - wersand (07/06/2013) [-]
Piracy isn't theft. it's making a copy. It's more like plagiarism.
User avatar #45 to #26 - zorororonoa (07/06/2013) [-]
No, it they were not trying to sell it and make money off of it, then it would be making a copy.
#47 to #45 - wersand (07/06/2013) [-]
No, I'm pretty sure copying is just a verb.
Here is a picture that will help you better understand my point.
User avatar #48 to #47 - zorororonoa (07/06/2013) [-]
Well yeah, but you aren't trying to sell your car. If a car dealer is trying to sell a special car he designed, but someone learned how to copy it and then everyone learned how, true the guy doesn't lose any money, but he doesn't make any either. Also, I'm not against piracy, not enough people do it to cause damage to the economy or anything. I just hate when people hide behind examples like that.
User avatar #51 to #48 - wersand (07/06/2013) [-]
I was just pointing out that you don't have sell something to copy it.
#31 to #19 - taurusguy ONLINE (07/06/2013) [-]
So if i cant afford it i cant play it? WHO exactly does my piracy harm? If im not going to buy it anyways WHY the **** should i just miss out on the game?
#113 to #31 - kingoflint (07/06/2013) [-]
Because that's how our economy and or world works. Firms make profits by selling products. Households buy these products. If you can't afford something, then you don't get it. Society can't make excuses and say that it's ok for some people to steal and not others simply because they do not have the money. Now I'm not saying that people who can't afford these games are ignorant or lazy, many times it is exactly the opposite, but that doesn't matter. The rules are the same for everyone, regardless of economic standing. And you end up getting the benefit of playing the game while others paid for it, and the developers are not paid for their work. Yes you're making a copy and it's not depriving other people but that doesn't make it right
#64 to #31 - captnnorway (07/06/2013) [-]
Because you are an ignorant **** who doesn't care for the hours the developers used to produce entertainment for you. Because you are too lazy to get a job and/or prioritize what to use money on. Because you think the entire world exists to entertain you.

Those are some arguments as to why you shouldn't play a game.
#65 to #64 - taurusguy ONLINE (07/06/2013) [-]
So by that logic just because i spend money on other **** and i dont have ******* 500 euros every month so spend on games im an ignorant **** ? Yes 500, every AAA console game costs about 70 euros around here (except the ones 2-4 years old) I would buy games for PC, but i can barely play the newer games on low settings, the new coh 2 i can play on lowest at 30fps, if something happens its 15. (something being a grenade exploding) more than that and its unplayable.
#67 to #65 - captnnorway (07/06/2013) [-]
I know. Games cost that around that here as well. Don't be a bitch about it, man up, stop wasting money on **** , get a job, learn how economy works and how not paying for something is ignorant.
#68 to #67 - taurusguy ONLINE (07/06/2013) [-]
How in gods name is that ignorant, i wasnt going to give them my money anyways, and just because i dont spend 300 euros every month on a game (i buy like 1 or 2 games monthly, ones i enjoyed playing) doesnt make me ignorant, i pirate the game, play it, if i enjoy it enough i buy it, if not uninstalling awaits.
#71 to #68 - captnnorway (07/06/2013) [-]
Well ... It seems like I've missjudged you. I thought you never bought any games, just pirated everything and said you couldn't because you didn't have enough money. If you buy them later on I suppose I was wrong. but TBH how you worded the first comment was very ignorant to how the world works and seemed like a little child that didn't get his 5th candy of the day.
#1 - 2scared2login (07/05/2013) [-]
Online shopping is like an Honor system. You're expected to pay for it, but some people take it anyways. Then they make excuses for it, saying "I was going to pay for it later", or "It doesn't hurt them because they still make money."

Yes, but with multiple people "Pirating"/Stealing it, they will lose more and more profits. This can cause Families/Employees trouble with finances.
User avatar #2 to #1 - lebarricuda ONLINE (07/05/2013) [-]
Unless they add a piracy factor to their projected sales statistics instead of just over estimating what they plan on earning. Learn to budget, Your argument is unsound.
#3 to #2 - 2scared2login (07/05/2013) [-]
My argument is sound, because they still expect to earn money, not lose it because of some stupid bastards that can pay for it but don't. You are trying to justify taking something for free, even if it can be replaced, because in a large amount, people stop paying for it to pirate it, and Employees receive a pay decrease.
User avatar #4 to #3 - lebarricuda ONLINE (07/05/2013) [-]
You aren't going to lose money for a digital copy of something. They did not lose anything. money was never removed from their account. If they want money they can advertise to the stupid. There are more idiots out there paying for digital copies of worthless **** than people pirating. No one is receiving a pay decrease, you don't know how the media industries work.
#13 to #4 - 2scared2login (07/06/2013) [-]
they do lose money on the digital copy, they had to pay the 3d modelers, story writers, voice actors, coders, map makers and all the others who made the game. stop ******** that packaging and shipping are the only expenses on games you ignorant dickbat.
#33 to #1 - taurusguy ONLINE (07/06/2013) [-]
Right now companies go, oh it was pirated 50,000 times, so that is 50,000 people not buying...NO. NO at least 25% of that i can bet are people who want to enjoy the game but wouldnt buy it anyways, do you REALLY trust the game company enough? I wouldnt dream of buying a game before i TRIED the game, what if i go buy a game, it is a piece of **** , and the developer just ***** you in the *** by not doing anything and releases DLC like crazy? Why should i trust the game developer if they wont trust their customer to only pirate if it is needed? (sure people are ******** , but NOT everyone is an *** )
User avatar #114 - ADeadlYLepricoN (07/06/2013) [-]

Say what you want but if I made a movie or an album and everyone copied it and very few people actually bought it, I'd make little to no money depending on the cost of production. So I'd be pretty pissed.

The copying not stealing arguement pisses me off because having someone copy your album and give it away is gonna make it so you can't make money off your album.

I know having an opinion other than that of the general consensus is forbidden so I'll take the red thumbs, but face it. Piracy is wrong on some level. Will it hurt the people who are already living comfortably in a house with an elevator? no. but it's not just about them. Struggling musicians especially are no where near as likely to make any sort of profit for their hard work, and trust me it is hard. You can't compare eminems situation to that of say a talented youtube rapper trying to get out there (lord knows there are a lot of them)
User avatar #130 to #114 - sodapops **User deleted account** (07/06/2013) [-]
If you made a movie or album and wanted exposure you would beg pirate bay on your grubby little knees to promote it, see #129
#138 to #130 - dannyc (07/06/2013) [-]
When was the last time you actually bought an album?
User avatar #142 to #138 - sodapops **User deleted account** (07/06/2013) [-]
Boy, check above. I bought my first album 1988 (manowar- warriors of the world) and the last one was mike oldfield-music of the spheres about 3 weeks ago. I own about 1150 records plus all the movies and games, and you don't have **** on me.
#148 to #142 - dannyc (07/06/2013) [-]
Oh yeah, Well I own a gazillion, fafillion albums and games, and I'm trained in ******* jeet-kune-do. Pirate-bay is a ******* blight on the entertainment industry because it forces publishers and record labels to only publish dreck they know will sell, eg. EA releasing the same sports games year after year and the neverending march of tween music stars and guys whose entire vocabulary consists of the word 'party'. You aren't hurting the big publishers and their cash-cows by downloading, your hurting the up and coming new artists by showing the labels and publishers the the only consumers of their products are the parents of of pre-teen kids.
User avatar #155 to #148 - sodapops **User deleted account** (07/06/2013) [-]
I must be hella drunk because that almost made sense. Well, I'm 40 years old and have been a music collector all my life, and when I was 13 years old I bought my games for the commodore-64. Also amiga-500, PC, ps1, ps2, xbox, gamecube, and ps3. I've spent tens of thousnads of euros on entertainment and I HAVE THE RIGHT to say that pirating isn't hurting the industry. You know why? Because in the early 70s "home taping was killing music!" That'ts right, people. We were RECORDING songs on ******** players from radio and LP records! I had to save up for a month to buy 1 LP. **** you, kid. EA is releasing the same games year after year because of rednecks like you.

But I don't feel bad about pirating music because that's how I find the good stuff these days. I own a lot of quite atrocious records because in the 80s you ordered records based on how the COVERS looked. "oh hey, sweet. blood, skulls AND chainsaws. They must be great".

Also I don't know jeet kune doo. **** off. I know taekwondo. (3d gup)
#170 to #155 - dannyc (07/06/2013) [-]
So, How's is EA's propensity for releasing the same game's year after year my fault? I thought I was fairly clear that piracy was the culprit (and by extension, you). It's sure as **** not the thousands of dollars I've spent on electronic media, which, curiously, doesn't include a single sport title.
I haven't downloaded a song in my life, and I've never pirated a game because I support the people who create them, and don't have the same obscene sense of self-entitlement that you do.
User avatar #118 to #114 - shadecrenshaw (07/06/2013) [-]
Most people don't pirate the small things or the things from 'indie' bands, the biggest piracy targets are the big shot triple-A big budget movies, games and albums.

And sorry if I'm beating a dead horse, but I'll stop pirating video games and movies when the people that own the liscence to said game/movie own only one house and one car.
#127 - swiftykidd **User deleted account** has deleted their comment [-]
#150 to #127 - 2scared2login (07/06/2013) [-]
And it's not like people actually depend on jobs in those industries, right?
And no company ever has ever laid off people because they weren't making enough money, right?
User avatar #194 - thamuz (07/06/2013) [-]
The reason why I do it is simple. The quality of games has seriously taken a **** . Very few games are worth the 60+$ it costs and **** EA with a screwdriver. I don't feel bad at all if i pirate EA's games now.
#167 - shmitty (07/06/2013) [-]
The people that normally pirate are the ones that couldnt afford it in the first place, therefore would have never bought the movie. The people that have money to buy the movie dont usually bother to learn how pirate movies. That being said, the people that never could buy movies, dont, and the people that have always bought movies, still do. So it really doesnt do anything to the economy.
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