8:50 pm
Dec 10, 2012

China Real Time

Taiwan’s Ma Joins the Shoe Club

    • taiwan is failing because they are too democratic and full of nonsense politics.
      taiwan are serving the interest of american.

    • Taiwan is failing because it does not have the guts & ability to confront to China head on for its independence as a nation.

      Ma is failing because he kowtows to Beijing Big Daddy too much.

    • In China, those protesters would be beaten and their leaders hung from the ceiling with their hands behind their back and then sentenced in a ‘show trial’ to work camp for 3 years. This is how China has always operated. TW is influenced by USA. The idea that normal people should protest any authority, great or small, is against 5000 years of Chinese culture. In China, we used to use 凌遲 Death by a Thousand Cuts when an official was accosted. Americans are soft and cannot imagine such a technique. It has been maybe 50 years since 凌遲. A return to 凌遲 is a return to stability and core Chinese traditions.

    • Mr, Ma, the Bumbler, as the Economist calls him, is not trustworthy and has no credit from the people he governs. Despite the rosy promised he made during the campaign trails, most of what he said would do never materialized. People distrust him because his pro-China stance and his over-reliance on pro-China faction without considering how the nation should come together.

      For most of Taiwanese, an elected leader who shows incompetence in governing, the only result is the resignation. When there is no trust, there is not point being a so-called “President”, who only deserves shoes and bags from all directions.

    • who still cares about taiwan?

    • taiwan people voted for Ma twice as president. they endorsed him. only some sore losers can’t swallow the loss.

    • @ Charles.

      “Who still cares about Taiwan?”

      23 million Taiwanese and 1.3 billion mainland Chinese? And the USA?

      @Ken Young

      If president Ma took the position of Taiwanese Independence, he wouldn’t have gotten 51% of the vote. There is a reason why majority didn’t vote for the green side. His position reflects how majority of Taiwanese position on this issue.

      Even DDP leader Tsai Ying-Wen split her DDP party from the pro-Independence minority faction. Ms. Tsai, a moderate DDP, does not endorse independence, the reason she got over 40% of the vote. If she publicly declares her position on Independence, KMT would have won by 70% of the vote. Primary reason why DDP lost is because previous leader Chen Shui Ben and his family was caught stealing from the Taiwanese people in the multi-billion dollar embezzlement scandal. The Taiwanese people could not trust the DDP in this election. Ms. Tsai would have had a better chance by dissolving the DDP and reformed her own party.

    • Correction. DDP should be DPP. Apologize for the mistake.

    • I could care less about the people of taiwan. If they want to stay and be “Chinese”, fine. If they dont, then there is the door, and take all your money with you ON YOUR WAY OUT. Taiwan is valuable at this point because of its physical strategic position…nobody really want or need the taiwanese, least of all the stupid and relatively uneducated greens. There are at least 5 Chinese provinces that have larger aggregate GDP so taiwan as an economy is no big deal any more for China. If they want independence, go and get one on some island somewhere. They cannot do that on Chinese territory, which the island of taiwan is a part of. leave if you dont like being Chinese (EVENTUALLY, BUT SURELY), but the island will return to China.

    • Mr. or Mrs. personally:

      Pretend that you your country is under the threat of being taken over. You can leave if you don’t want to be part of the other country, but you can no longer be a citizen of your original country. So for instance if you’re Canadian, pretend that the United States decides to take over Canada. You can pack up and leave to not become a U.S. citizen, but where are you to go? More importantly, you are no longer Canadian and can no longer refer to yourself as Canadian. You no longer have a home country. It probably doesn’t matter if you never liked your country, but to people who love theirs dearly, it is devastating.

    • Dear “personally…”,

      Taiwan was under Japanese rule since 1895 (over a century ago), when the Japanese won the Sino-Japanese war, until Japan lost to the United States during WWII in 1945. By international law or war, Taiwan should be ruled by the United States, otherwise Japan; China does not have a reasonable claim to the island. If not for the oppressive KMT regime enforcing their language upon the people, Taiwanese may still be speaking Japanese today. Get your facts straight and stop living in the past.

      Dear “democratically elected”,

      Just because he was endorsed by a little over half of the voters doesn’t mean he doesn’t have to keep his promises. In fact, even members of his own party are growing dissatisfied with Ma.

    • Ma the bumbler, made promises he cannot keep during the election. People are finding out and are disappointed. Ma stupidly lean toward China. Ma arrested previous president Chen Sui-Bian to appeace the hardliners in his party. People don’t like that. People are showing displeasure. Ma still think everything is wonderful.

      With approval rating plummeting to13%, he then blames the people, and the world economy. That’s why people are fed up, and want to wake him up. Usually it is impolite to be throwing shoes at a leader. But Ma the bumbler is not leading, but betraying the people’s trust. Thowing shoes at this time, is fully justified.

      Will Ma actually wake up, or will he just get angry and persecute those voicing their disgust at him? Hope he smartens up and listen to the people.

    • island three small

    • the fact that the Qing had to cede the island of “formosa” to the japanese is evidence enough that the Qing “owned” the island. But the Qing abdicated to the ROC, who then lost a civil war to the PRC. The ROC received back all lost territories that was aggressively taken from the Qing by japan under both the Potsdam and Cairo declarations after WWII. So technically the ROC received back the island. Then, the ROC loses a civil war to the PRC, who then iinherits all of mainland China, including Xinjiang and Xizhang, and of course the island. The ROC still exists on taiwan itself. But in no instance would the island ever be “American” or “japanese”. The argument above is simply ridiculous. These green can move to the US if they dont like this fact. Too bad.

      As for the comparison with Canada, it’s just as silly. The Canadians have no historical relations with the US, except perhaps as equal colonies under the British imperial government. The US won its freedom under the Treaty of Paris in 1783, while Canada remained a colony, then a dominion and later its independence. The relationship between Canada and the US, and that between the mainland and taiwan, are completely and utterly different. On a stupid would compare the two.

      If you dont want to be part of China, then leave China’s territory. In this case, both the ROC and the PRC are “part of one China”. So long as the ROC remains on the island, all is good as far as I am concerned. But the minute the stupid greens try to change that name, they will be invaded and hanged as traitors. If taiwan is smart, it will stay quiet and let China drive. The greens are really really stupid, and I think more and more of their kind realize this. So long as China is strong, the ROC on taiwan will never fall because if it does, all of taiwan would come under direct PRC control.

    • The reason why taiwan is not longer a big issue between the US and the PRC is simple. The US realizes that taiwan is a “core interest” of China, and given China’s huge gains in military and economic power, the US can no longer play the taiwan card with impunity. The cost would be too high for the US. So, the US is letting China call the shots as far as taiwan is concerned. The reunification of the island with the mainland is now certain and up to China itself. Beijing will decide when, and under what conditions and terms, the reunification will occur. Clearly, China is in no rush, given that the situation has stabilized AND that China has far more pressing issues to contend with on the mainland. I think taiwan should count its blessing and stay quiet. China is being very very nice.

    • Discussing Taiwan’s independence is always a forbidden issue. Under the pressure from China, one can not claim the place he live is independent from China in public, nor could he say China and Taiwan are unity. China worships communism, and has the feature of control freak, but please just stay in your own city. we don’t care if your central government want to control the media or what, stay away from Taiwan!

    • For those Taiwan people wanting to be Japanese should go live in Japan. Not Taiwan. Those wanting to be US citizen should immigrate to US. After WW2, Taiwan is no longer a Japanese colony but returned to China because Japan lost the war to the allied forces (China was part of it). That’s why Taiwan is not a independent country. That’s why its official name is Republic Of China. These are indisputable facts.

    • For those Taiawnese wanting to be Chinese…they should just move back to China…Taiwan is Taiwan…it’s unique…

    • taiwan……”it’s unique’……and part of China.

      So what if taiwan is “unique”? So is Tibet, Xinjiang, Nei Mongol, Manchuria. Zhejiang, Jangsu, Guangdong etc etc etc. They are all unique places, and part of China.

    • Taiwan is really unique.

      It has its own democratically elected ruling party, which commies will never have.

    • “It has its own democratically elected ruling party, which commies will never have.”…

      You are right, but….the commies have Chinese sovereignty, which includes the island of taiwan. So, enjoy your democratically elected party, but remember to be nice to China and keep your mouth shut. China doesn’t really want to rule taiwan…it just wants to make sure that taiwan recognizes its Chinese roots, and at the very least, remain neutral when it comes to Chinese national interests. so long as taiwan does NOT pose a threat, or do things that endangers China’s national interests, then taiwan can enjoy real self ruleas the ROC. No foreign troops on taiwan, no nukes, and no outright declarating of independence away from “China” ie the ROC.

      How funny that the ROC was defeated by the PRC in 1949. But today, it is the PRC that is indirectly guaranteeing the existence of the ROC on taiwan….history can be so ironic!

    • In many people’s minds, Ma is a hypocrite, preaching human rights and democracy while depriving opponents’ human rights and practicing autocratic rule. I wish the shoe had hit him.

    • Ma Ying-jeou 馬英九 (Greencard holder, suspect US citizen)

      a.k.a. Ma, Ying Gio(birth), Ma, Ying-Chiu(US visit), Ma, Mark(Green Card application), Joseph, Martin (Secret police Pen name), Ma, Yingjiu (Secretary to the Dictator) Birthdates: 7/13/1950 (Taipeh Mayor) 10/31/1950 (‘Justice’ minister) 9/1949 (Mother confession) Birthplaces: Shengchun, China(Boston, Department of Public Health and Vital Records and Statistics), Hong Kong(Next magazine), Canton(Nationalist Revolutionary Council)

    • and embrace of China will bring prosperity and security to taiwan.

    • ROC and PRC are equals in an equal relationship!

    • Sorry to some pro-unification Chinese with your inflated pride. You may think PRC had beaten ROC and took over the whole China, but the reality is Chinese army was never able to set foot across the strait. Your forces made an attempt and got destroyed at Kinmen island. So People’s Republic of China DOES NOT have the right to Taiwan. Learn your history properly.

      Also, Taiwanese do not support re-unification. According to poll, more than 90% of Taiwanese are against it. The majority want to maintain status-quo, while indenpendance is the runner up. Taiwanese did not vote for Ma because they endorse his ineffectual leadership and sucking up to PRC, but for the lies he told and unrealistic pictures he drew. Turns out he is just a really good liar and Taiwanese are so naive that they actually believed him two elections in a row.

    • PRC just need to worry about itself being colonized by foreign enterprises before dipping into Taiwanese sovereignty. More than half of your corporations are controlled by foreign funds. Majority of the gross profit are distributed into pockets of foreign investors. And your political leaders launder money into their oversea accounts. The buying power of your riches is just an easy target for international name brands to sell their made-in-China goods back to you with multifold inflated price tags.

      PRC Workers think their country is rising to become a superpower and get all excited, but in reality they are just drones working for western capitalism, or as Mao called it, the American imperialism.

    • There are more and more shoes coming. Ma, the shoe collector.

    • i dont understand why the mainland Chinese are arguing and screaming about little taiwan. There are more than 5 Chinese provinces that have bigger GDP than taiwan. The little off shore island may indeed be politically self-governing, but its economy is completely linked to China’s. Given the state of the world, that link will become even more strong and necessary for little taiwan. Whether polls show this or who say that really dont matter….taiwan cannot just move away from its geographical position. It will always have to be there. The issue of taiwan is a real non-starting moot point…..China is so big and powerful that, you can scream all you want about independence, but it’s like a tree falling in the forest when no one is around. Nobody cares. For all intent and purpose, taiwan is already part of China. There is no other option. It’s just a matter of time.

    • If China is so rich and pwerful, Why chinese President Xi Jinping have all his family with Canadian Passports, Australian Permanent Residency, and American Greencard?

    • Taiwanese people will show their anger next May to throw out Ma, the Blumber and the China-Ass-Kisser, and his Cabinet. He will be the first president to be kicked out office. Bravo!!

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