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What would you do with a cheese hater?

NicoleFriedman Dec 7, 2010 09:11 AM

My husband. my family and friends all find my hatred of cheese to be very amusing for some strange reason. I've made my aversion to the cheeses of the world known before on these boards, but just to be clear...

1. I do not have a cheese phobia. If you put cheese in my face I will only run for cover because of the smell, not because I think it will eat me. (Unlike my dad, who actually has screamed for his life when a hapless bus boy tried to sprinkle parmesan on his veal).

2. Yes, I know there is a cornucopia of cheese and that not all cheeses taste or smell the same.I find it odd that whenever I mention how I hate cheese, someone always feels that I just haven't found the "right cheese". I'm not going to list all of the cheeses I have tasted over my lifetime, but I can guarantee that I have covered the gamut; soft, medium, hard, stinky to the innocuous... yes, even fresh mozzarella I cannot choke down. The one exception: ricotta cheesecake, IF there is enough sugar (to cover up any remaining cheese taste).

3. I do not deny my husband or my friends their right to enjoy cheese, even stinky cheese in front of me. Just don't kiss me until you brush your teeth!! :}

What would YOU do if your loved one hated cheese? Would you torture them by eating gorgonzola every meal? Would you find it amusing? Or would you be frustrated that you can't share your famous lasagna and keep trying to convert the cheese hater?

  1. MinkeyMonkey Dec 26, 2010 11:37 AM

    I'm not sure I'd do anything. Okay, I think I'd tease a few times, because it is easy to acknowledge differences with humor, but that is really all.

    I have a similar thing with mayo and one friend used to threaten to sneak it into foods--she had me over almost every Sunday. Honestly, I was uncomfortable and suspicious even with chocolate cake due to her threats to make mayonnaise chocolate cake, just to prove to me that I was wrong. Why bother?!!!

    I'm not into changing people's likes and dislikes unless they really seem unfounded which makes me want to inquire a little. But, even in that case, it isn't worth it. People like themselves the way they are and don't need to be like me!

    My brother hates going to movies in theaters. I've tried to understand this, "Do you dislike crowds? Do you dislike the dark?" etc. He just doesn't like going to see movies in theaters. Period. I made him go to the theater with me, just once, because they served beer and pizza. We don't drink alcohol but it was such a novel idea to me at the time that I convinced him to try it. It was a stupid movie and although he didn't complain, that was the last time he went to see a movie in a theater. That was in 1997!

    I find it is just easier to not be concerned with differences no matter how trivial they seem to me. Maybe it is just related to maturity, maybe not, but I no longer want to show people the light so to speak :)

    Regarding your family, some people are just pranksters and need to have fun. They don't see when it annoys someone, they probably think you find it funny too. At least, that is my opinion.

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      spinachandchocolate Dec 24, 2010 03:18 PM

      I'd be more worried what I would do if a loved one was a veggie hater. You don't need cheese to survive and be healthy, but you do need vegetables.

      1. sockii Dec 22, 2010 09:15 AM

        My SO loves to tease me because there are a few foods I simply cannot stand - namely, melons, cucumbers and mayonnaise. It's not an issue of phobias, it's simply that I find the taste and textures of these foods completely repulsive. I can tolerate mayo if it's just a minor ingredient (say in a very dry tuna salad) but I will gag if I order a sandwich and it is slathered in mayo. Likewise, I love pickles but raw cucumbers gross me out.

        Anyway, he will tease me about it but not make an issue of trying to "force" me to eat something I don't like, or insist there is something wrong with me because I don't like these foods. I can't imagine being completely off-put by a person's few eating dislikes that I couldn't have a relationship with them, unless they were one of those total food-phobes who won't eat anything but meat and potatoes or has a lengthy allergy list that rules out virtually everything I love to eat and cook (I'm mildly garlic intolerant, so I have my own issues to an extent.)

        1. hill food Dec 21, 2010 09:41 AM

          oh Nicole, I was hoping it was someone else who hated the cheese. I'd a had some right smart alecky answers otherwise.

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            Jase Dec 21, 2010 09:15 AM

            Treat them the same way as I would someone who doesn't like a specific ingredient and item. Roll with it and cook around it.

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              jhopp217 Dec 21, 2010 06:13 AM

              I am almost speechless. I could go the rest of my life eating nothing but cheese. I love cheese more than anything. For Thanksgiving, we started with a cheese and wine course, while we waited for the meal to cook. After dinner, we brought it back out and that was basically our dessert. I can't fathom someone not liking cheese. I feel for you. Someone must have hit you in the head with a ball of mozzarella when you were young, haha!

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              1. re: jhopp217
                lagatta Dec 21, 2010 07:35 AM

                Will you marry me?

                My Solstice dinner (for friends who have left between Christmas and New Year's) started and concluded with cheese. It is definitely the starter and the dessert. The only reason I limit consumption of cheese are: 1) it is high in fat and calories, though not "junk food". 2) it is usually expensive and 3) I have a degree of lactose intolerance, though goat, ewe and even some matured cow's milk cheeses don't bother me, as milk and ice cream will not fail to do.

                Cheese is known as the "drunkard's biscuit"! Now, it is not exactly good for the physical, mental, social or financial health to be a drunkard, but if one loves wine, cheese is usually the loyal partner and friend.

                1. re: lagatta
                  jhopp217 Dec 21, 2010 09:09 AM

                  There's just something about that post-dinner glass of wine with a selection of fine cheeses that just makes an evening. Especially during the holidays. Plus, despite being high in fat, it's better for you than a slice of pie.

                2. re: jhopp217
                  NicoleFriedman Dec 23, 2010 02:06 PM

                  Oy vey! LOL

                  1. re: NicoleFriedman
                    lagatta Dec 23, 2010 06:10 PM

                    Don't worry, Nicole, I can cook you a very tasty dinner with no hint of cheese.

                    1. re: lagatta
                      NicoleFriedman Dec 24, 2010 08:24 AM

                      Much appreciated! :}

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                  hungryabbey Dec 20, 2010 06:24 PM

                  You sound a lot like my mother.

                  My mother despises cheese. She says it was from when her parents used to force it on her as a child. She can smell it from a MILE away, and will turn her nose up and say "EWWW" if god forbid I order poutine or mac and cheese in a restaurant. It bothers me a lot that she has to make a scene, but I'm not going to give up my love of cheese, so I go ahead and eat what i want in front of her.
                  I remember as a child ALWAYS being so jealous of my friends whose moms would make them Kraft Dinner. I wasn't allowed it in the house, but one day my Gramma made it for us when she was babysitting. My mom came home, smelled it, and didn't come home that night.

                  The weird thing is that she LOVES cheesies, they are her favourite snack. I dont get it because they have a very obnoxious cheese taste. She will also have a LIGHT helping of cheese on her pizza.
                  For this reason, I kind of think its predominantly in her head. She doesn't like the SMELL of cheese, but if she doesn't know/smell it, then she will like the food. For example, once I ordered tiramisu and didn't tell her it was made with cheese, and she loved it. Then I told her the truth and she hated it.

                  As the only person who cooks in the family, I am accomodating. I don't cook with cheese, which obviously limits a LOT of things I can make/serve. I would not want to push cheese on her, as it just starts arguments. Ha.

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                  1. re: hungryabbey
                    NicoleFriedman Dec 21, 2010 04:24 AM

                    And your mom sounds like my dad, who was forcefed cheese at sleepaway camp. He won't even TRY cheese (I may hate cheese, but I will always taste something, even if I have to spit it out later:} )- for him I'm sure it's a psychological issue more than a taste issue.

                    1. re: NicoleFriedman
                      hungryabbey Dec 21, 2010 12:16 PM

                      Yes. I am sure its psychological. She wont taste it at all, yet is fine as long as she doesn't know.

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                    lagatta Dec 20, 2010 05:04 PM

                    I have NEVER had a relationship with a guy who didn't eat cheese. Or a close friendship with a woman (I'm het; my gay and lesbian friends are welcome to reverse those statements). I really wonder if I could, even though I have a fair degree of lactose intolerance and never drink milk, and have to take some cheeses with Lactaid (I'm fine with goat's cheeses, and certain very long-cured cow cheeses such as some of the Swiss varieties).

                    Though I do like East and Southeast Asian cheeseless foods - I'd have more trouble with cheeseless foods derived from European cookery.

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                    1. re: lagatta
                      NicoleFriedman Dec 21, 2010 04:21 AM

                      But could you envision a loving relationship with a cheese hater if all of your other "requirements" are there? :} My hubby loves to climb mountains (thus his current knee injury -sigh-) but I didn't let that stop me! :}

                      1. re: NicoleFriedman
                        lagatta Dec 21, 2010 07:38 AM

                        I could, but it would be hard to live together as I love to cook and can't imagine doing that without cheese (I'm part Italian). And certainly not if he ruined my ricotta pie with too much disgusting SUGAR. ;-)

                        Here in Québec we have many wonderful small producers of artisan cheeses. Mmmmm.

                        1. re: lagatta
                          cheesemaestro Dec 21, 2010 11:52 AM

                          Lagatta, the American Cheese Society will be holding its annual conference in Canada (Montreal!) for the first time next August. The conference itself is restricted to members, but the Festival of Cheese with which the conference concludes is open to the public. Well over 1,000 cheeses are available for tasting, including all of the competiton winners. I've attended several conferences and the Festival is always an awesome event.

                          Here's a "teaser" link to next year's event:


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                      mimolette Dec 20, 2010 02:38 PM

                      I eat quite a variety of cheeses now but I was not born that way. The flavours can be extremely complex but somehow they all work together to give a mesmerizing effect, similiar to chocolate. However, I remember one time I had a really bad stomach infection after eating at a restaurant. It was so bad I felt like someone was cutting the inside of my stomach, which was quite a shock to me because I just about never ever get sick. For several days I could barely eat a thing not only because food made my stomach feel even worse but the taste was totally different in the worst way. In the end only 2 things I tried were not too horrible, banana and coconut water. And one of the worst tasting things was... CHEESE. It was incredibly foul and bitter, nasty nasty rotten stuff. Perhaps that is the true taste of food without the filter of a good appetite. So, to answer your question, I probably would not try too hard to turn them into cheese lovers, it might be truely nasty to them. On the other hand, I also have another theory. I believe that without the ability to at least differentiate some of the different components in a particular food it is perhaps impossible to enjoy. In sound, we would hear a cluster of sound as dissonance which basically functions as noise, typically annoying. But, the same cluster of sound when heard by someone with the ability to actually hear each tone independently, and appreicate the way it is being put together it might be very beautiful, especially when it is introduced in a coherent setting. So, this means it should be possible to turn a non cheese lover into one by somehow sharpening the taster's ability to differentiate different flavours. I think this is why a dog would stick its nose in places we consider too nasty. It actually loves the complexity that we lack the ability to understand. Do I make any sense?

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                      1. re: mimolette
                        NicoleFriedman Dec 20, 2010 04:23 PM

                        I think I get the jist of what you're trying to say. I've always thought that my taste receptors for the flavor components of cheese may simply not work the same way as others. But if that's the case, I don't know if you can "train" someone to like the offensive food item. Then again. if there is a psychological component, "training" may be possible.... if it were important enough to try to do, which I don't think it is:}

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                        Harters Dec 10, 2010 08:45 AM

                        Cheese is one of the many foods that the father-in-law "doesnt like". We have long since given up trying to find food that he might like as his idea of a balanced meal is a plate where a small piece of meat, sits alongside a large piece of meat.

                        Luckily, his cheese-hating habits havnt rubbed off on to my partner. But she does have her foibles and there are things that she just wont eat. Why would I give this a second thought?

                        1. gaffk Dec 8, 2010 03:51 PM

                          I'd laugh and say "more for me"!

                          When my mom was in her 70s, she dog sat for my sister. Damn big dog and very little mom. Dog pulled her over and she shattered her elbow. They did a bone density test and discovered she actually had the bones of a young woman. Her response? Great bones, lousy cholesterol.

                          PS--Mom's now 82, still great bones and lousy cholesterol. That woman has never met a cheese she didn't like. But the pins in her elbow make it a b***h to fly.

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                            beevod Dec 8, 2010 07:04 AM

                            Do not eat cheese. A simple, but elegant solution.

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                            1. re: beevod
                              NicoleFriedman Dec 8, 2010 02:37 PM

                              Hear, hear! Everyone, please keep in mind that I posted this thread because it's lighthearted and I find it funny. I hope you do too!

                              1. re: NicoleFriedman
                                linguafood Dec 8, 2010 02:49 PM

                                It would be pretty grating to live with one. haha. jk.

                                1. re: linguafood
                                  Sal Vanilla Dec 8, 2010 03:53 PM

                                  But your marriage would not crumble and melt if your spouse refused a slab o' cheddar.

                                2. re: NicoleFriedman
                                  JuniorBalloon Dec 8, 2010 06:00 PM

                                  I read your post as light hearted and I hope you took my comment as humor. Everyone has things they don't like and that's what makes horse racing.


                                  1. re: NicoleFriedman
                                    soonerhound Dec 20, 2010 04:46 PM

                                    I thought it was funny, like most family teasing. :)

                                    It reminded me of an unfunny big work lunch today, though, where my boss ordered an appetizer of cured meats for the table. I could tell that my (new!) co-worker absolutely did not want to try any of them, but the boss wouldn't let it go- she kept trying to make the new girl try these meats. Talk about awkward. After several awful minutes, I finally intervened and said, in a joking-but-not-really-joking way, "She DOESN'T WANT to eat the MEAT!"

                                    1. re: soonerhound
                                      c oliver Dec 20, 2010 05:17 PM

                                      Good for you! That IS awkward, isn't it?

                                3. SOBoston Dec 8, 2010 05:43 AM

                                  I don't like eggs. Specifically, I don't like egg yolks. I can't "cover them up" or "find the right dish" because for some inherent reason, I just can't stand even the thought of them in my food. It is what it is. If people don't understand, it's not your job to explain the details of your distaste.

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                                  1. re: SOBoston
                                    goodhealthgourmet Dec 9, 2010 06:42 PM

                                    do you eat baked goods? pasta? pancakes? waffles?

                                    i'm not trying to be difficult - i'm genuinely curious since you said that you can't even stand the thought of yolks in your food... because all of those things traditionally contain eggs, but you'd be hard pressed to isolate the flavor.

                                    1. re: goodhealthgourmet
                                      ipsedixit Dec 9, 2010 07:02 PM

                                      ... or ice cream.

                                      1. re: ipsedixit
                                        Sal Vanilla Dec 9, 2010 07:11 PM

                                        or cookies. Wait that is baked goods.

                                        custard, bearnaise/hollandaise, meatloaf, meatballs, brioche? C'mon - Brioche? NO? Cheesecake?

                                        Hey I wonder if Nicole does cream cheese.

                                        1. re: Sal Vanilla
                                          Indirect Heat Dec 9, 2010 08:25 PM

                                          Life without creme brulee? Unpossible!

                                          1. re: Sal Vanilla
                                            NicoleFriedman Dec 9, 2010 08:27 PM

                                            Aggh!! :} I LOVE a good crusty bagel with real nova lox, but if a smear of cream cheese comes near my beloved bagel, watch out!!

                                            No, I don't do cream cheese. Even tofu cream cheese.

                                            1. re: NicoleFriedman
                                              goodhealthgourmet Dec 9, 2010 10:01 PM

                                              i can forgive you as long as there's onion and tomato - and maybe even a few capers? - on that bagel.

                                              1. re: goodhealthgourmet
                                                NicoleFriedman Dec 9, 2010 10:22 PM

                                                Nope, nope and nope. I love onion, tomato and capers... just not on my bagel and lox. I guess I'm not forgiven:}

                                                1. re: NicoleFriedman
                                                  goodhealthgourmet Dec 10, 2010 08:13 AM

                                                  i forgive you anyway - it's the holidays, i'm feeling particularly generous ;)

                                              2. re: NicoleFriedman
                                                c oliver Dec 10, 2010 07:52 AM

                                                Is their artificial nova lox?

                                                1. re: NicoleFriedman
                                                  Sal Vanilla Dec 10, 2010 12:49 PM

                                                  Ya know what Nicole - I think I am warming to your steadfastness!

                                            2. re: goodhealthgourmet
                                              jujuthomas Dec 10, 2010 06:13 AM

                                              my SIL can't stand eggs. She once left the eggs out of the recipe when baking a cake and couldn't understand why she baked a brick instead of a cake! (teenagers, lol!)

                                              1. re: jujuthomas
                                                ipsedixit Dec 10, 2010 08:56 AM

                                                You mean your SIL made, um, crackers?

                                                1. re: ipsedixit
                                                  jujuthomas Dec 10, 2010 11:09 AM

                                                  lol! DH's description is that instead of a chocolate cake she got a chocolate brick. and his parents made him eat it anyway!

                                              2. re: goodhealthgourmet
                                                SOBoston Dec 13, 2010 06:22 AM

                                                I wasn't talking about as an added ingredient. I meant them as actually being present in the dish. And no, I don't like creme brulee or custard because they do taste too eggy to me.

                                                1. re: SOBoston
                                                  goodhealthgourmet Dec 20, 2010 01:54 PM

                                                  got it.

                                                  "I just can't stand even the thought of them in my food" sounded to me like you wouldn't eat *anything* that you knew contained eggs.

                                              3. re: SOBoston
                                                mpjmph Dec 13, 2010 08:37 AM

                                                I'm in the same boat. I usually explain it as I don't like eggs as eggs. I'm fine with them in baked goods and ice cream, anything that actually tastes even remotely like eggs is a no go.

                                              4. susancinsf Dec 8, 2010 05:34 AM

                                                Did your Dad's aversion to the cheese on his veal stem from a Kosher upbringing by any chance? If yes, that is a different type of issue. Even if his family didn't keep Kosher, there could be remnants. My (non-Jewish) father used to beg my (Jewish) mother to make pork chops. She was far, far from keeping Kosher (indeed, it wasn't dinner without a glass of milk to go with whatever meat dish was being served), but she just didn't want to serve pork....

                                                To the extent your family teases you, whether that is appropriate behavior on their part or not, it is probably your reaction that makes it amusing or fun for them. Just don't talk about it or visibly react, and if you don't like what they cook, do the shopping and make dinner yourself. (without commenting on the lasagna).

                                                What is the most you've ever paid for cheese? I thought I HATED certain types of cheese (notably feta) until I tried the really good stuff. Unfortunately, the really good stuff usually comes at a very stiff price.

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                                                1. re: susancinsf
                                                  NicoleFriedman Dec 8, 2010 02:36 PM

                                                  Actually, my dad didn't eat that much for a short period in his life when he was a kid. It may have been his way of acting out. My grandparents strange solution was to send him to sleepaway where he was force fed cheese. And no one in my immediate family is kosher.
                                                  As for price, my hubby has paid an arm and a leg for the good stuff, so I have tried the expensive cheese.

                                                  1. re: NicoleFriedman
                                                    Sal Vanilla Dec 8, 2010 03:52 PM

                                                    I am sorry but I must confess to you that I laughed at the sleep away camp where your dad was force fed cheese. I still am. I am certainly going to hell for that.

                                                    I suggest you come up with some good stories about your cheese aversion Nicole. If you have to be a non cheese eater, a good story smooths out the discomfort others (we are weird) have with someone not enjoying something they love. Humans are odd and kinship thru food is powerful - look at Chow for evidence.

                                                    1. re: Sal Vanilla
                                                      NicoleFriedman Dec 8, 2010 07:15 PM

                                                      Feel free to laugh- that's why I started the thread! :} In all honesty, I used to like cheese as a child, if only ricotta in a calzone (and only a pinch of ricotta to bread mind you) or mozzarella on pizza. I stopped eating the calzone in junior high. Then, one day at a mall while 18 and in college, I took a bite of my pizza. Something tasted off. I picked off the cheese and thus began my descent into adulthood cheese hating:} I cannot explain why my taste buds changed, but changed they definitely did. But if you want me to say that I was abducted by green, squishy aliens who abducted me and forcefed me their Plutonian made cheese from their mammal like alien cows, then go ahead!

                                                      1. re: NicoleFriedman
                                                        Sal Vanilla Dec 8, 2010 08:49 PM

                                                        Ya know, I had the same experience with cheap white wine. One day I was sitting out on the porch sipping a glass of Chuck and I thought "is there a skunk?" No. it was the wine. Just like that (here's where you snap) I found cheap wine completely repellent. All of it. And have since then only let wine above $8 bucks slip past my lips and even then I do it with my sniffer blown clean and my buds of red alert.

                                                        You can imagine how well that went over with the Mr. He loves Chuck. NEEDS me to love Chuck (which I find very irritating) and often tries to coax me back over by telling me that the skunk has left the building and has been replaced with fully ripe apricots and a hint of honey.

                                                        Like you, I am skeptical. That said, I am very willing to be sent to summer camp and gorged with wine... you now, just to teach me a lesson and to rehab me.

                                                        1. re: Sal Vanilla
                                                          goodhealthgourmet Dec 9, 2010 06:59 PM

                                                          LOL! i'm with you on the Chuck - and any other skunky, cheap swill for that matter - once your palate turns that corner there's no going back ;) it's really too bad you don't live closer to a Trader Joe's or you *might* be able to lower your price point by a dollar or two. every now & then they have a ridiculously good deal on a winner. (so does Costco, particularly if you buy by the case!)

                                                          the one food i was able to train myself to like is coconut, and i have Chowhound to thank for that. i've *hated*the texture and flavor since i was a child, but after reading so many posts about delicious-sounding dishes that involved coconut, i was inspired to try & retrain my palate, and it worked...now i actually even snack on dried coconut meat!

                                                          1. re: goodhealthgourmet
                                                            c oliver Dec 9, 2010 07:15 PM

                                                            "(so does Costco, particularly if you buy by the case!)"

                                                            I've never seen a case price break there. ???

                                                            1. re: c oliver
                                                              goodhealthgourmet Dec 9, 2010 07:37 PM

                                                              you know, it's possible i was wrong about that. back in the days when i actually used to buy wine by the case, i didn't have a Costco membership so i would get my father to pick it up for me. i was addicted to a certain 1998 Cabernet Sauvignon that retailed for about $30, but i think the Costco price for a case was around $250 or so (which would put the cost of a bottle at a shade over $20). the price was so good that i assumed there was a volume discount!

                                                              1. re: goodhealthgourmet
                                                                c oliver Dec 10, 2010 07:51 AM

                                                                We buy some wine and liquor there but oftentimes Safeway et al have better prices esp. when you get the 10% discount for 6 or more (mixed) bottles.

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                                                  Maximilien Dec 8, 2010 03:40 AM

                                                  nothing, do nothing.

                                                  Their loss, your gain.


                                                  1. c oliver Dec 7, 2010 08:06 PM

                                                    Wow. Between your mother and your father and your husband, sounds like y'all have some food issues. Maybe y'all should go to a movie instead of dining together.

                                                    1. CharlieKilo Dec 7, 2010 03:41 PM

                                                      Sounds like you have deeper issues with Hubby than just cheese....

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                                                      1. re: CharlieKilo
                                                        NicoleFriedman Dec 9, 2010 01:52 PM

                                                        Actually, I'm very lucky that I don't. I have a one in a million:}

                                                      2. chowser Dec 7, 2010 01:52 PM

                                                        Coming from an asian family, I think an aversion to cheese is almost normal. I just make everything w/ and w/out cheese. I wouldn't refrain unless the smell made them sick but I would accommodate them. Lasagna can be made w/out cheese and that's what I do.

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                                                        1. re: chowser
                                                          nkeane Dec 7, 2010 07:30 PM

                                                          oy! lasagna without cheese? that is the culinary equivalent of sex without climaxing!?

                                                          1. re: nkeane
                                                            ipsedixit Dec 7, 2010 07:37 PM

                                                            that is the culinary equivalent of sex without climaxing!?

                                                            Must you rub it in?

                                                            1. re: nkeane
                                                              chowser Dec 8, 2010 03:06 AM

                                                              Oh, I make one with cheese and one w/out and that means more cheese for those who like their lasagnic climaxes.

                                                            2. re: chowser
                                                              NicoleFriedman Dec 9, 2010 01:54 PM

                                                              Having made mac and cheese without the cheese, I'd be curious how you make a cheeseless lasagna! Send a recipe!

                                                              I would probably just layer lasagna sheets with very flavorful ground turkey and vegetables, with maybe a layer of a rich bechamel sauce so you won't miss the cheese.

                                                              1. re: NicoleFriedman
                                                                chowser Dec 9, 2010 06:24 PM

                                                                Yes, with bechamel and a really meat heavy bolognese. I actually have no idea how it tastes because I always go for the cheese one. But, my husband has family members who don't like it so I do it for them. How do you make mac and cheese w/out cheese?

                                                                1. re: NicoleFriedman
                                                                  c oliver Dec 9, 2010 07:14 PM

                                                                  "My" lasagne, which is actually Marcella Hazan's, has only some grated Parm. With the homemade noodles, the bechamel and the Bolognese, cheese isn't even close to being necessary.

                                                                  And, yeah, how do you make a cheese dish without cheese? Inquiring minds want to know :)

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                                                                Sal Vanilla Dec 7, 2010 01:32 PM

                                                                I guess your aversion is genetic or maybe a bid for unity with your pop!
                                                                You SAY you do not deny your family and friends the right to ENJOY their cheese, but I think if you say that their eating it is TORTURE for you, that eating it in your presence could hardly be classified as enjoyment. : ) Food for thought.

                                                                That said - to your questions:
                                                                My husband could not be a cheese hater. If he suddenly developed an aversion to all things cheese, I would put my stash in tupperware until he could go see a hypnotist or a counselor. If he was told that if he ate cheese he would die and the temptation to eat it was overpowering - out the cheese would go - unless he pissed me off. I had a friend in college that ordered pizza without cheese. There was not a soul that found her insufferable. It was a fat thing, not aversion. I might be tempted to attempt a conversion if it were just aversion. Try saying that aloud 10 times!

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                                                                1. re: Sal Vanilla
                                                                  Indirect Heat Dec 7, 2010 06:26 PM

                                                                  A conversion if it were an aversion! Woo!

                                                                  I used "The Man Who Ate Everything" technique to force myself to like olives. It worked. I ate olives a few times a week for a couple months, and after that, I found I started to like olives. http://indirectheat.blogspot.com/2010...

                                                                  1. re: Indirect Heat
                                                                    NicoleFriedman Dec 9, 2010 01:56 PM

                                                                    I've tried that with yogurt. I'm on the fence with yogurt. I love the creaminess- especially Greek yogurt, but I hate the taste (by itself at least). It really hasn't done anything to my taste buds. However, if you can convince your brain that you like something, maybe that really could work.

                                                                    1. re: Indirect Heat
                                                                      boyzoma Dec 11, 2010 06:33 AM

                                                                      I used to hate mushrooms. But when I was a teen, I dated this extremely handsome young man that would only eat mushroom pizza. So, as to not be a Debbie Downer on the dates, I smiled and ate it. Now, you can't keep me away from them. I love them any way I can get them.

                                                                      1. re: boyzoma
                                                                        mpjmph Dec 13, 2010 08:29 AM

                                                                        And that is how I learned to like calamari.

                                                                    2. re: Sal Vanilla
                                                                      NicoleFriedman Dec 8, 2010 02:33 PM

                                                                      I don't make gagging noises when others eat cheese in front of me, if that's what you're thinking:} Trust me- my friends enjoy their cheese, with or without me.

                                                                    3. BobB Dec 7, 2010 01:01 PM

                                                                      My wife is not a big cheese eater - not as bad as you, she'll take a nibble now and then, but absolutely hates anything with melted cheese (pizza, mac 'n cheese, Tex-Mex, etc).

                                                                      On the nibbling side, it just means more for me, but it does put a crimp in my dinner menus as I do most of the cooking here. To me, nights when she's out for some reason are always melted cheese nights for me!

                                                                      1. JuniorBalloon Dec 7, 2010 11:08 AM

                                                                        Only solution is round the clock beatings until you find your inner cheese monger.


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                                                                            Vetter Dec 8, 2010 07:38 AM

                                                                            That is freaking hilarious. I mean, completely insensitive. No...it's funny.

                                                                            I don't get the aversion to the entire family of food, either, but if the OP was my loved one, I'd wouldn't pester her about it. More for me.

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                                                                              Sal Vanilla Dec 8, 2010 03:46 PM

                                                                              I have an aversion to all fat free food not known in nature.

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                                                                                goodhealthgourmet Dec 9, 2010 06:37 PM


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                                                                              BubblyOne Dec 8, 2010 03:38 PM


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                                                                              mpjmph Dec 7, 2010 10:30 AM

                                                                              Honestly, I would take a little joy in the thought of more cheese for me :)

                                                                              I like cheese in general, but very much do not like cheese with veins and/or rinds with mold. Fortunately it seems common enough to not like veined cheeses, so friends and family get it and acquaintances rarely questions it.

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                                                                                Whinerdiner Dec 7, 2010 09:20 AM

                                                                                You know, I had a friend whose father hated garlic. So her mother never cooked with it. She was a grown woman before she realized that most people use garlic in Italian cooking. To this day, dinners at her house are "interesting" to say the least.

                                                                                So to answer your question; No, I wouldn't torture them by eating gorgonzola. I'd change the way I cook and try not to damage the kids. :)

                                                                                1. ipsedixit Dec 7, 2010 09:15 AM

                                                                                  I, too, am not a fan of cheese, although on things like pizzas and burgers (sometimes) it's more than just ok.

                                                                                  But if you put a fancy-schmancy cheese plate in front of me, I'd rather try to construct a Lego-style building out of the cheese pieces than eat them.

                                                                                  I just roll with the punches.

                                                                                  I'd tell your loved ones not to try and convert you, and if I were you if they presented a 3-cheese lasagna dish in front of you, I'd simply take a small bite and then move on. The more you make an issue out of it, the more your family members will try to make an issue out of it and try to 'convert' you.

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                                                                                    NicoleFriedman Dec 7, 2010 09:21 AM

                                                                                    My family wouldn't put a lasagna in front of me, thankfully! But I agree that it's a good idea not to make an issue of food dislikes. As I've said, the only reason I tend to like to bring it up is that people seem to find my hatred of cheese amusing, and I never mind making fun of myself.

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                                                                                      Indirect Heat Dec 7, 2010 06:22 PM

                                                                                      I confess, I don't understand that. It's like "I don't like vegetables" or "I don't like meat". While vegetables do share some common characteristics, a carrot and a zucchini are pretty different. Likewise, a mozzarella and a gorgonzola couldn't be more different. And lamb and chicken are quite different.

                                                                                      That said, chasing someone or hounding them sounds pretty rude. I wouldn't try to convert someone else to like cheese, but the idea that a whole class of pretty diverse food is being ruled out sounds like something other than taste preference.

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                                                                                        ipsedixit Dec 7, 2010 07:38 PM

                                                                                        Cheese and vegetables are different.

                                                                                        While vegetables can take on all varieties, shapes, tastes and textures, cheese, all cheeses, share one common characteristic -- namely, curdling. While the textures, tastes and aroma of different cheeses can vary, there is one underlying characteristic that some people (myself included) find unappetizing.

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                                                                                          Indirect Heat Dec 7, 2010 08:28 PM

                                                                                          All vegetables share common characteristics. Growth from the ground, and plant cells. One could hardly know that a boursin and a cheddar came from the same critter, any more than a broccoli and a potato are both from plants.

                                                                                          I'm not disagreeing that people find cheese unpleasant. I'm just saying I doubt it's the taste. Parmesan shares more in common flavourwise with a fermented sopressata than it shares with a cheddar.

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                                                                                            linguafood Dec 8, 2010 02:46 PM

                                                                                            But both boursin and cheddar taste like cheese, whereas spinach & bell peppers for example are completely differing in flavor, texture, looks, and smell.

                                                                                            I really don't think you can compare those. It's like apples and oranges '-P

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                                                                                              Terrieltr Dec 20, 2010 10:19 AM

                                                                                              Look at the sort of die-hard preferences people have between Coke and Pepsi! and they are WAY closer than say a cheddar and a gouda.

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                                                                                                linguafood Dec 20, 2010 10:27 AM

                                                                                                Umm.... what?

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                                                                                          NicoleFriedman Dec 8, 2010 02:32 PM

                                                                                          Why would it have to be something other than taste preference? As I've said, I do not have a phobia of cheese so there are no emotional issues involved:} I simply have disliked every bite I've ever taken of gorgonzola, mozzarella, camembert, parm, etc etc etc....

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                                                                                            silence9 Dec 9, 2010 11:46 AM

                                                                                            "Why would it have to be something other than taste preference?" Here's one example, perhaps fiting or perhaps not: I've heard some folks who dislike cheese(s) compare said cheese to unclean parts of the human body, i.e. "that cheese smells and tastes like stinky feet" The person doesn't like the qualities of stinky feet, and a food product (such as strong cheese) might remind them of that (consciously or unconsciously). Another example, perhaps vulgar but fairly common in the vernacular: "eeew, that stuff tastes like crap"; the individual does not like the smell/sight of excrement, and a particular cheese may too closely recall such shared smells/sights/qualities. In fairness, sometimes when I open a new bag of Fritos, to me it smells like unwashed armpits; but I eat the Fritos anyway, since by middle-age, I've gotten fairly acclimated/accustomed to the aroma of unwashed armpits in the general human population...

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                                                                                              linguafood Dec 9, 2010 01:27 PM

                                                                                              but does that mean you want to lick or eat those armpits?

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                                                                                                silence9 Dec 9, 2010 01:40 PM

                                                                                                LOL. I actually think that armpits suffer poor reputations from their actual name/label. In a word, bad publicity. if we as a society instead referred to them as, say, 'mystery caverns' or 'primordial hollows', then perhaps the world would return to an Eden-like state of snack-time innocence :-)

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                                                                                                  linguafood Dec 9, 2010 02:11 PM

                                                                                                  well, the German word (achselhöhle) for it would translate into "shoulder cave". not sure that's any more appetizing, tho.

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                                                                                          mamachef Dec 21, 2010 09:38 AM

                                                                                          Ipse, he gives the good advice!!
                                                                                          I am inclined to believe you have an organic aversion, bodywise, to cheese, and your nose scents it out and doesn't permit entry. I have many many Asian friends who have dealt with this too.

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                                                                                          jujuthomas Dec 7, 2010 09:15 AM

                                                                                          hmm... my husband chased me thru the kitchen last night with some super-stinky parm. BLECH! I don't HATE cheese, but between my dairy allergy and the general stinky-ness, it isn't something I really crave or want to eat.

                                                                                          well... except cheese on pizza. :)

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                                                                                            NicoleFriedman Dec 7, 2010 09:17 AM

                                                                                            Come to think of it, my husband has chased me with cheese before. I'm sure in some foreign country being chased by cheese is some wedding ritual. :}

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                                                                                              jujuthomas Dec 7, 2010 09:21 AM

                                                                                              glad i'm not the only one!

                                                                                              <in some foreign country being chased by cheese is some wedding ritual.>

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