Search results matching tag 'intel' results matching tag 'intel'en-USCommunityServer 2008.5 SP2 (Build: 40407.4157)RE: AMD A10 Kaveri APU Details Leaked, 04 Dec 2013 21:28:22 GMTba4e517a-01ef-48a6-b096-821b95afe388:587601ChrisFiebelkorn <p class="MsoNormal">Your point regarding efficiency is well made. Maybe I misunderstood you however; I thought you were talking about the overall performance between Deneb and Piledriver. Your clock-for-clock comparison only illustrates one aspect, namely efficiency, of the overall performance between the two architectures. At the end of the day, as your data even shows, Piledriver is still more powerful &quot;overall&quot; than Deneb, but yes, it has its own quirks since it&rsquo;s a different architecture. Yes though, I completely agree with what you said about P3/P4 comparing it to BD and the K10. It&#39;s simply not as efficient clock for clock. Deneb also had better FPUs from what I can tell.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes;">&nbsp;</span>Assuming the clock efficiency will only be on par with K10, the inclusion of HSA, OpenCL, and Mantle for gaming, will theoretically solve those serial/parallel processing efficiencies. What I think many don&#39;t understand is AMD isn&#39;t competing with Intel solely based on x86 raw core performance, which is essentially what Rory Read said. They believe the innovation they need to break through Murphy&#39;s ceiling, and keep up with a much more resource laden Intel, is find a way to integrate and leverage multiple system resources to work more closely in unison. Hence the much talked about buzzword &quot;HSA&quot;. Intel is doing something similar with Crystal Well and their 128MB eDram L4 cache. Personally I find Intel&rsquo;s solution very interesting and I&#39;d like to see it compare against Kaveri with HT disabled. &nbsp;</p> <p class="MsoNormal">Many people even within the tech industry don&rsquo;t use Linux; which is too bad and I think they&rsquo;re missing out. I natively boot Ubuntu &amp; Arch, and I run Windows just for development, and maybe a game here and there, in virtualization. Linux, in my opinion, is a much more optimized OS and by far the most advanced. I admire Mac OS and AQUA&#39;s GUI layer, but at the end of the day while it has many novelties it just doesn&rsquo;t offer what Linux does...and I just can&#39;t justify the cost of a Mac anymore. I am happy that it&rsquo;s allowed BSD-UNIX to return to the spotlight however. I&#39;m not much of a Windows fan though.</p> <p class="MsoNormal">Off subject - I didn&#39;t realize you were Joel Hruska from ExtremeTech and ARS. I read your article regarding the 9590 vs. Ivy-E which was well written. The 9590 is a bit ridiculous in my opinion though. I&rsquo;d still go for the Ivy-E at their price points ($500 for the AMD and $550 for the Intel?). What are your thoughts on the speculation surrounding the decline of x86 and the possible ARM saturation in the low power server market? The latter seems reasonable, but I&rsquo;d imagine there would need to be many changes made that would cost quite a bit of money.<span>&nbsp;</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for the information Joel, especially the explanation regarding efficiencies which I had never considered. &nbsp;</p> <p class="MsoNormal">Again, I wrote this at work so I apologize if it&rsquo;s choppy.&nbsp;</p> Normal 0 false false false EN-US X-NONE X-NONE <p>&nbsp;</p> RE: AMD A10 Kaveri APU Details Leaked, 04 Dec 2013 01:32:42 GMTba4e517a-01ef-48a6-b096-821b95afe388:587515ChrisFiebelkorn<p>I&#39;m typing this up on my Nexus so I apologize if it reads sloppy. How did you get a review/marketing sample? I thought AMD wasn&#39;t sending those out until after CES and as far as I know one wasn&#39;t on display at APU13? They just showed the video. Can you post a screen shot of the task manager or CPUZ? I agree with you about being the underdog not automatically granting you some level of artificial success. You disputed my claims about Linux and I posted the real world benchmarks from Phoronix backing them up. I also included several other articles that did the same. Those are legitimate real world benchmarks however and not theorized synthetic ones that you and I know are useless outside of trying to convince the uninitiated to buy this over that. I don&#39;t agree about the single core performance between Piledriver and Deneb being in favor of the latter. That&#39;s an old claim from the hysteria that went viral when Bulldozer came out. Bulldozer sucked, let&#39;s not argue that point. In almost every real world benchmark I see or test the Vishera chip wins hands down on multi and single threading...finally. For non-gaming workloads I also disagree with the idea that the 8 core FX is on par with an i5. Did you check out the links I provided? For gaming performance right now 2 threads is almost all you need and Intel leads in single threaded performance. Except Tek Syndicate did show the FX chip beating the Ivy i5 and checking in just behind the i7-3770- I posted that link above (Logan is an Intel Fanboy who openly admits it). But for work oriented tasks like those benchmarks I shared the FX chip&#39;s 8 physical integer cores are a force to be reckoned with. Under professional grade software like Blender, Sony Vegas, or even Adobe those 8 physical integer cores give Intel&#39;s (Ivy) 8 virtual cores a run for their money since those programs are optimized to use many threads and Hyper Threading isn&#39;t that efficient. Some developers purposely disable HT in the BIOS for performance reasons. For virtual machines those 8 physical cores also shine out against the i7s (Ivy) virtual ones. You can actually pass those FX cores on to the VM. Now yes, my 3930K handily beats the FX everywhere but I paid $169 for the FX and $569 for the 3930K. At the end of the day going back to the APU and the article AMD is saying that even with the 10% clock reduction SteamrollerB is still 20% more efficient than Piledriver and the same goes for the iGPU with a 30% increase, after a clock reduction, over the A10&#39;s 8670 &quot;Devastator&quot; which was pre-GCN anyways. Kaveri will not be an answer to Haswell. Some sites are claiming it&#39;ll compete with a Haswell i5, but I&#39;m very skeptical. I do think it will beat an Ivy Bridge i5 and perhaps give Ivy&#39;s i7 a run based on those increases over Piledriver and the inclusion of, again, OpenCL, HSA, &amp; Mantle. You can&#39;t keep throwing up the &quot;single core speed&quot; banner when you have variables like those in play. A large part of the reason why Intel is faster is because compilers, Windows, and even some benchmarking software are purposefully optimized to favor Intel&#39;s architecture. The lesson that AMD has needed to learn is that it&#39;s not necessarily the hardware, but the software that makes the chip great. If AMD could get the same software optimization advantage that Intel has, then the performance differences between the two would shrink. This is what we see under Linux since it&#39;s a community driven neutral OS, and behold Intel&#39;s i7-3770(K) has barely any lead on the FX Piledriver if any at all. This is what AMD is doing in partnering with the HSA Foundation and Khronos with their OpenCL standard for computation. For gaming Mantle makes the CPU cores almost irrelevant. True Audio is also interesting as is the ARM co-processor. Opinions aside I appreciate the forum we have going on here. I will confess though that you&#39;re right about the threads it seems. WCCF updated the article and redacted the &quot;4/8&quot; they had on the slide chart. If I could find a way to upload an image to this thread I&#39;ll happily post a screenshot of the original article they posted showing the 8 threads just to back up my sanity. I think WCCF is about to be dropped from my feed...So for that point I stand corrected.&nbsp;</p>i7 2600k Overclocking Info, 27 Jul 2013 06:37:53 GMTba4e517a-01ef-48a6-b096-821b95afe388:578776JohnUnderwood<p>Hi, I am new to this site, so if this isn&#39;t the place to post this, please point me in the right direction.&nbsp;</p> <p>I recently acquired an Intel i7 2600k and ASRock Z77 Performance motherboard, and used it to upgrade from an AMD Phenom II X6 1100T BE and ASRock 970 Extreme4 motherboard. I was able to easily overclock the AMD CPU to 4.1GHz on air cool, but I have been having a little trouble being able to overclock this Intel CPU. This is my first Intel build. Does anyone know of a good guide that gives good, detailed instructions on overclocking the i7 2600k? Any information to point me in the right direction would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.</p>Is it worth it to OC my GTX 460s in SLI (x2) + my Intel i2500k ?, 12 Jul 2013 01:30:19 GMTba4e517a-01ef-48a6-b096-821b95afe388:577336DamianDoss<p>Is it worth it to OC my GTX 460s in SLI (x2) + my Intel i2500k ?&nbsp;<br />Does my GPU combo get enough juice from my stock Intel i2500k running at about 3.3ghz? Or should I overclock my CPU to give more juice to my GPUs. I&#39;m not really aware if I&#39;ll get an increase in performance or not. Perhaps you could suggest from experience or benchmark knowledge? <br /><br />Thanks!&nbsp;</p>RE: AMD Launches World’s First Desktop Processor At 5GHz, 8-Core AMD FX-9590 Unveiled, 13 Jun 2013 11:58:21 GMTba4e517a-01ef-48a6-b096-821b95afe388:470351mhenriday<p>Until a detailed test from a reliable tester is published, none of us know anything at all....</p> <p>Henri</p>Re: AMD FX-8350 Vishera 8-Core CPU Review, 23 Nov 2012 04:51:04 GMTba4e517a-01ef-48a6-b096-821b95afe388:441049RepoTactics<p>Ok, so I am in the middle of deciding between this Amd fx 8350 processor and the <span style="cursor:hand;">Intel&reg; Core&trade; i7 3970X Six-core 3.5GHz/4.0GHz Turbo 15MB L3 Cache w/ HyperThreading. I have been asking a lot of people for their opinion and really want to know, which processor will preform better? Can someone please tell me which processor has better performance? Thanks.<br /></span></p>RE: Intel’s Xeon Phi Powered Beacon is World’s Most Efficient Supercomputer, 16 Nov 2012 10:08:07 GMTba4e517a-01ef-48a6-b096-821b95afe388:440465mhenriday<p>Here a <a title="link" href=""><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><b>link</b></span></a> to a list of the top ten....</p> <p>Henri</p>RE: Intel CEO Slams Microsoft Tells Taiwan Employees Windows 8 Isn't Ready For Prime Time, 27 Sep 2012 15:30:58 GMTba4e517a-01ef-48a6-b096-821b95afe388:438179mhenriday<p>Not to worry - Ubuntu 12.10 will be released on 18 October !... <img src="" alt="Big Smile" /></p> <p>Henri</p>RE: AMD's Next Gen Steamroller CPU Could Deliver Where Bulldozer Fell Short, 27 Sep 2012 09:00:27 GMTba4e517a-01ef-48a6-b096-821b95afe388:438158mhenriday<p>I think many (but, it would seem, not all) participants in this discussion share your hope, <b>RMadatyan</b>, that AMD gets back in the game with respect to high-end CPUs - not merely because of the effect that this would exert on prices, but also because it would stimulate innovation. Intel, for example, would hardly feel the same pressure to improve their products if AMD weren&#39;t around (and vice versa). For my part, I also hope that when testing CPU performance in a gaming context, the present somewhat excessive emphasis on frame rates (surely there&#39;s a limit above which an increase in frame rates provides no noticeable improvement in user experience, although just where that limit goes is open to debate) is toned down and that other considerations, like <a title="frame latency" href=""><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><b>frame latenc</b></span></a>y are taken into account. In any event, I&#39;m greatly looking forward to Steamroller - if it does the job and the price is reasonable, I&#39;ll consider using one of the versions in a new build, even though I hardly need it - my trusty Phenom II X4 955 does everything I ask of it....</p> <p>Henri</p>RE: Intel NUC - Next Unit Computing Sneak Peek, 12 Sep 2012 10:29:56 GMTba4e517a-01ef-48a6-b096-821b95afe388:437182mhenriday<p>Very much looking forward to the coming test, <b>Marco</b> ! If possible, with several different versions of the processor....</p> <p>Henri</p>