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More from CBS:

calling the Electronic Frontier Foundation in San Francisco, which
represented her at no cost.

Under long-standing Justice Department guidelines,
subpoenas to members of the news media are supposed to receive special
express authorization of the attorney general" – that would be current

And the following odd development:


Dalglish said that a subpoena being issued and withdrawn is not
you tell me the date you got approval from the attorney general's
the DOJ, or just not thinking."

Making this investigation more mysterious is that is
an aggregation site, meaning articles that appear on it were published
somewhere else first, and there's no hint about what sparked the
address logs are kept for a few weeks and then discarded.


A Justice Department official familiar with this subpoena just told me
been submitted to the department's headquarters in Washington, D.C. for
and Assistant U.S. Attorney Doris Pryor did not follow department regulations
requiring the "express authorization of the attorney general" for media
Acting Attorney General Mark Filip were involved. I wouldn't be


Full subpoena:



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Wed, 11/11/2009 - 12:58 | 127125 bugs_
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Oh great the EFF.  Good luck with that Kristina.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 16:13 | 127417 tip e. canoe
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bugs, curious, what's wrong with the EFF? 

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 18:23 | 127631 Cheeky Bastard
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Fatwa on you for invoking a miserable outcome ....

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 21:09 | 127834 Anonymous
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Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:05 | 127136 Mad Max
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Wed, 11/11/2009 - 17:26 | 127526 Anonymous
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Wed, 11/11/2009 - 19:59 | 127755 Rainman
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Wed, 11/11/2009 - 20:40 | 127799 Mad Max
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Thu, 11/12/2009 - 07:32 | 128260 TumblingDice
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So hard to get things done with a supermajority.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 22:18 | 127901 boooyaaaah
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You said something bad about obama

You said zilch

You are on the list

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:09 | 127141 E pluribus unum
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Wed, 11/11/2009 - 15:15 | 127307 mitack
Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:13 | 127147 lsbumblebee
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Thu, 11/12/2009 - 05:40 | 128225 Anonymous
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Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:17 | 127153 bugs_
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Anyone who thinks this is new or that
it dates from the Bush administration
or that they are safe offshore has not
been paying attention. 

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:47 | 127263 Anonymous
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Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:22 | 127160 justrichard

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:24 | 127161 mdtrader
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Anonymity & internet, that's an oxymoron.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:23 | 127162 Anonymous
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Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:24 | 127165 Anonymous
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Everyone peel the onion. Go long Tor proxies and encryption.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:28 | 127168 Rainman
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Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:34 | 127177 docj
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And "hope", too.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:29 | 127169 tradertim
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should i start using software on this site?

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:26 | 127242 Anonymous
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Wed, 11/11/2009 - 22:25 | 127908 Miyagi_san
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Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:30 | 127171 Catullus
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You are hereby commanded...



Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:51 | 127195 WaterWings
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Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:45 | 127175 Oxytan
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Warning signs ... warning signs.


Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:34 | 127178 ptoemmes
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A special salute to all the ZH veterans.




Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:57 | 127201 Anonymous
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Wed, 11/11/2009 - 16:18 | 127429 nicholsong
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...Apparently hasn't read the UCMJ either.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:39 | 127185 Anonymous
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Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:46 | 127188 WaterWings
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Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:48 | 127189 Unscarred
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Wed, 11/11/2009 - 17:28 | 127529 gmrpeabody
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Thu, 11/12/2009 - 00:58 | 128020 Unscarred
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Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:50 | 127194 Fish Gone Bad
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Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:07 | 127213 Rainman
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Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:01 | 127204 Gordon_Gekko
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Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:28 | 127227 Leo Kolivakis
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Wed, 11/11/2009 - 15:38 | 127352 MinnesotaNice
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Wed, 11/11/2009 - 23:31 | 127950 Anonymous
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+1 for great justice

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:45 | 127260 Gordon_Gekko
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Truer words were never spoken.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 17:32 | 127540 gmrpeabody
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Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:24 | 127241 Anonymous
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hey gordon,


freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose..
janis joplin...


Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:51 | 127270 Gordon_Gekko
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Wed, 11/11/2009 - 15:42 | 127360 Anonymous
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Wed, 11/11/2009 - 16:25 | 127436 nicholsong
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Ah, here it is:

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 17:39 | 127550 WaterWings
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Atlas Shrugged

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:03 | 127206 Anonymous
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What's volume like today?

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:10 | 127220 Anonymous
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Piss the right people off and you could be on Mars for all the state managers care. They'll still get you with their straight out of the mafia ways.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:21 | 127234 deadhead
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I think the Treasury Secretary of the United States today made a bold move in proving that free speech is still okay in america by lying through his teeth for the trillionth time about his "deep" passion to maintain a strong dollar.

hey, if you are the Treasury Secy and can lie and prevaricate constantly, it must be still okay to have free speech, right?

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:37 | 127254 Gordon_Gekko
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Sure, but only if you're part of the ruling oligarchy.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 15:18 | 127312 MsCreant
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If I am Timmahy, I do not want to meet deadhead in a dark alley. Deadhead clearly hates liars like Tim with a special passion. It's funny, all the crimes, each of us have something that will really trigger us and stick in our craw. DH, you are special pissed. I can feel it coming out of my computer screen. You have featured Tim in more than one post now.

The only reason I comment, is DH is someone who will make me feel ashamed when he can be reasonable addressing someone while everyone else is going off negative and counter productive. If DH hates you, so goes the nation.

Fucking tax cheating, lying assed, prick-punk-bastard, little twit.

Some more hate!

I dare you to try to find his actual height on the web. I tried. His height has actually been edited at some sites. They all disagree. I have seen 5-2 through 5-8 listed.

I don't mind someone of small stature, each height has pluses and minuses. What I find amazing is it is being obfuscated.

Cheat on taxes, cheat on height, what else (like I don't know). A hahahahahahahahahahahah!

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 16:09 | 127408 tip e. canoe
Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:22 | 127236 Anonymous
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Maybe this action was a complete throwaway by the Feds, intended solely to send a signal to whomever they're targeting, in essence telling them, "Hey, we know you're out there and we're watching you."

Would be interesting to see all the comments posted on the date in question.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:29 | 127247 Anonymous
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Another reason to use Tor to browse the Internet. Another reason for webmasters to make sure logs are only kept for a few days (at most).

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 15:08 | 127300 mitack
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Are you talking from experience ?

I tried it years ago and it sucked. Badly.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:32 | 127250 max2205
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WEB Mccarthyism...  I pleed the 5th

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:45 | 127259 M. Barr
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Does anyone think it's odd that the Wayback Machine stopped archiving Indymedia on April 30, 2008?*/

Maybe someone who understands this better could interpret if this is an exclusion or not:

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:55 | 127281 chumbawamba
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That's a blanket disallow in the robots.txt file.

But I've found IA to be unreliable sometimes.  It doesn't always have an archive of every site.  YMMV.

I am Chumbawamba.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:59 | 127290 M. Barr
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"Blanket disallow" -- forgive my ignorance, but wouldn't that prevent Google from archiving (caching) the page?  Google has a cached version from yesterday.

Thu, 11/12/2009 - 00:59 | 128022 chumbawamba
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I parsed it wrong.  The only prohibition is for the IBM webcrawler.

IA is simply not comprehensive, unfortunately.

I am Chumbawamba.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:49 | 127266 Anonymous
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Obviously we need some sort of pre-arranged signal by which TD can tip us off to such shenannigans...

How about a long pro-GS rant, that ought to do it.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 17:38 | 127549 gmrpeabody
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That ought to do it, alright.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 17:41 | 127554 WaterWings
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Good one! I'd be checking and re-packing my Bug Out Bags that afternoon!

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:53 | 127273 Leo Kolivakis
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By the way, media barron Rupert Murdoch is now taking on Google and the BBC. Read the Globe and Mail's article, Murdoch bets on survival without Google. Notice how Mr. Murdoch wants to control access to the media? Control what they read and you control how they think. I personally think Mr. Murdoch will lose big on this dumb move. He is going to alienate a huge chunk of potential readers who are already part of the Google generation. Whether he likes it or not, he's no match for Google.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:58 | 127283 DaveyJones
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I was about to post a bunch of "they can't do that" authority then I saw they withdrew it. I have had my phone tapped by the Feds and received subpoenas before but I'm a criminal law attorney not a news site.

As bugs said, this is not the first time however, this is still pretty disturbing, especially the gag order. The First Am. implications are pretty big too especially when you are talking about the entire site traffic to a news site. As other folks have said, and if it is not already painfully clear, the only "change" we have elected is someone who pretends to be the exact opposite of what he actually is. At least Dick Cheney said "fuck you" and "fuck the Bill of Rights" openly. Nor do I buy that this was an isolated mistake by some ignorant Assistant US Atty. Maybe the gag order "mistake" was deliberate reverse psychology as an answer to the forseen allegation that the subpoena was meant to have a chilling effect on all sorts of anti-establishment sites and their readers.     

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 15:15 | 127308 Anonymous
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anyone who attributes this to bureaucratic incompetence
is a buffoon.....

anyone who has worked in large organizations knows
that all significant decisions are vetted, analyzed
ad nauseum, socialized, and reviewed endlessly....
especially ones with the potential to be as explosive
as this one...

this was indeed approved at the highest levels
of the gestapo....anyone who thinks otherwise
is showing the sophistication of a fry order cook
at mcdonald's...

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:57 | 127284 M. Barr
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This may be what (who?) they're looking for:

To the terrorists at BLA [Bernardin- Lockmueller and Associates]:
We know you've been targeted in the past, but since construction
has recently begun- expect more chaos and aggression directed at
your company and the workers that make what you do possible. Next
time maybe we'll pay your homes a visit,because we know where you
live and we know what you do. As I69 continues its developement,
so does our anger and dedication to standing in your way. Our
numbers are constantly growing. We will not let you build your


Wed, 11/11/2009 - 17:24 | 127523 Anonymous
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this looks like a classic government sponsored agent provocateur operation.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 15:05 | 127287 SloSquez
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I would say M. Barr has it.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 15:06 | 127296 digalert
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"There is a reason Zero Hedge maintains and operates its infrastructure entirely overseas."


But I thought ZH was the investigative branch of the SEC.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 15:44 | 127363 Anonymous
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See, I always think it's funny when the Justice department has to subpeona IP traffic info from a website because the NSA and the CIA already have all this info neatly stored away in terrabyte lithium niobate holographic storage arrays somewhere but , obviously, they don't share with the legitimate justice system of the US, which is kind of laughable.

HELLO NSA btw how YOU doin! LOLZ

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 16:00 | 127390 Lothar the Rott...
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People, go read the latest from the Columbia Journalism Review.  They are ASKING for federal assistance in keeping "the news business" alive.

You know how this ends if that happens.

What a sorry bunch of puking fucking asstards they are, the MSM.

Go long ZH and real (new) media sites, while you can.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 16:05 | 127401 Lothar the Rott...
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Here's the link:

Sorry I forgot that.  Source material and all that you ZHers require. :)

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 17:11 | 127493 SloSquez
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That's messed up...TBTF?

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 16:29 | 127444 nicholsong
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here is an EFF interview with the Indymedia sysadmin

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 17:13 | 127498 Anonymous
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I'll give them my ip address, nothing to hide here. It's ;)

Thu, 11/12/2009 - 09:10 | 128301 mikeyv1970
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Wed, 11/11/2009 - 17:45 | 127567 Anonymous
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Hahaha. If the government wants Zero Hedge data, you'll give it to them. For unless you too are overseas, they'll exert as much pressure as necessary to get what they want. I don't imagine you'd be willing to sit in a jail cell for very long without handing it over.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 21:06 | 127828 Marla Singer
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You are exactly correct. Which is why, absent our physical presence and the cooperation of the foreign ISP, most data isn't even available to us. No one on senior staff has the power to make a phone call from Detention Center #5 and produce data on traffic. That just does not exist. Senior ZH staff rotting in a jail cell would be unfortunate, but would not help anyone looking for data.

Moreover, we don't actually keep a lot of logs. What logs we do keep are aggregated up into things like traffic stats and we simply do not have the space or the processing power / disk bandwidth to do real time logging of web traffic AND keep archives going back more than a couple days.

With respect to the law of contempt, the moment it becomes punitive instead of coercive (i.e. once it is clear that further incarceration is not going to produce compliance) it becomes illegal.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 18:57 | 127674 Hephasteus
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“There, I guess King George will be able to read that. [Remark on signing American Declaration of Independence]

Oh let me add. Fuck George Bush in his nasal cavity. With a fucking shoe.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 19:28 | 127714 Anonymous
Wed, 11/11/2009 - 20:58 | 127815 Hephasteus
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Yup thats how I tracked some banking stuff all over the world. Then I discovered the magic island of caymans full of information technology lawyers and fraud.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 20:34 | 127790 Leo Kolivakis
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Thanks for finding it. The late George Carlin on the American Dream:

A classic. God I miss him.

Thu, 11/12/2009 - 10:33 | 128390 Anonymous
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WATCH this Video (40 minutes). Entilted: "The End of America." It was taped 2 years ago in late 2007.

It discusses a historical BLUEPRINT of 10 principals on how Governments quietly CHANGE a mature democratic society (like America) over and into, a Socialistic society. This is occurring today in America. Notice in the video, and on point with the above posting, one of the 10 points centers around issuing subpeonas to the press in order to limit, and threaten "freedom of speech." America has already started transferring our society toward Socialism.
