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marco rubio's watershed moment for the party came up dry in one way, his punchy primetime pitch did rev up the base. and it stirred up more 2016 talk. >>> also this morning, an exclusive first interview. exit interview of sorts. with now former indiana senator dick lugar since he left the senate on what's wrong with congress, politics and the republican party, and how he thinks it can be fixed. good morning from washington. it's wednesday, february 13, 2013. this is the daily rundown. i'm chuck todd. reminder, folks, it's february 13th. husbands, boyfriends, you've got one more day to get your act together. let's go to my first reads of the morning. the president's state of the union address ended up arguably as three speeches in one. it started out with a focus on the looming economic and budget crises that washington's about to face. moved on to a laundry list of familiar sounding domestic proposals. and it closed with an emotional appeal on gun violence. unusually passionate for a state of the union speech. and it's the part of the night that's going to end up probably leaving the mo

. >>> the second sidebar story of tomorrow night will be the spot light for a republican rising star marco rubio. he gives the response to the president. is he the long-term answer the gop has been waiting for? let's bring back our gaggle. susan, you know, these responses say they're fraught with peril, but to me there was a no more often choice. it could have been weird had they gone any other direction. >> so is he the barack obama of the republican party? he's young, he helps address that are diversity problem, which is a really serious one. he's acceptable to the tea party folks, he talks in a way that is not scary or doesn't off-put people who are in the middle. so he is a guy with some enormous promise. >> but this is style versus substance? right now the republican party's answers to its problems are we're going to change the face, change some of our phraseology, but we're not changing substance yet? >> we're going to wait. >> one more election before we start changing. >> i think for rubio, he'll be able to deliver a good speech. he's been able to prove that time and again like at the rn

that marco rubio thing. they should have been all over it. stay hydrated. >> stay hydrated, my friend. >> lee, what did you learn? >> i learned that women are not only doing wonderful things in the board room, but elsewhere, they are a lower credit risk for lenders. >> lower credit risk. >> i thought it was very interesting. >> mika, let me ask you, as you were jetting across the atlantic and watching on your big screen, how big on your goldstream, how big is the hdtv? 40 inches or so? >> this joke has been running for five years. i think it's time to debunk it. >> it never gets old. >> it doesn't get old to you? funny thing is, you're the elitist. that's what i've learned today. what'd you learn? >> zing! >> you're pretty good at calling out people. i learned that! i learned that, let's see, wayne lapierre is extreme on guns and paul krugman is extreme on debt. they sort of occupy their own alternative universeses and the question is whether the republicans are going to have the guts to stand up to lapierre and whether democrats will be strong enough to walk away from krugman. but we'll see

in the gop between washington and non-washington republicans. we pointed out yesterday, rubio's state of the union response was similar to any speech you'd hear from mourm moi mitt romney in twelve, except with the exception of his personal story. on the other hand, look at what republican governors are saying. people like louisiana's bobby jindal or new jersey's chris christie, arguing that the party should stop focusing so much on washington budget battles. even at times used washington conservatives as a punching bag. >> there's only one group to blame for the continued suffering of these innocent victims. the house majority and their speaker, john boehner. >> we have seemed to have an obsession with government bookkeeping. this is a rigged game and it is the wrong game for us to play. >> as we look ahead to 2016, rubio and the jindals and christies of the world represent two different schools of thinking in terms of how to rebrand the party and how to fight obama. >>> well, it's valentine's day, but love is not in the air, for anyone here in washington. what's new about that? up n

, ted cruz. marco rubio tweeted, there's always a sense that there's supposedly not so the great blood between the two. he tweets this morning, happy to see ted cruz came to d.c. to make a difference, not just make some friends. he's doing very well. >> yeah, okay. >> yeah, you don't believe that, huh? >> look, the reality of it is, cruz has come in and he's defining his own terms. he's his own man, to your point. and i thought your piece was spot-on. it's what's not being said publicly, as you just noted. these guys in the senate, they're very a cloistered community. and they like the quiet, they like the downplay. you've got someone who is the bull in the china shop, coming in the door, mixing things up, because his agenda is not about the senate's agenda, it's about a different agenda, which may be something down the road for him. >> speaking of people who are trying to make their own way, elizabeth warren, i want to play a clip of elizabeth warren yesterday, who on one hand has kept a low media profile, unlike ted cruz, but wound could argue, trying to do the same thing that ted cr

senator marco rubio. a state, said it's a mistake for the white house to profit imimmigration. this legislation is half-baked and seriously flawed. it would actually make our immigration problems worse. congressman paul ryan said it's a setback for talks on the hill. >> there are groups in the house and the senate working together to get this done, and when he does things like this, it makes it more difficult to do that. and that's why i think this particular move, very counterproductive. >> senators john paul and john mccain slammed the white house allegedly for leaking the plan on purpose. >> this is the prosecutor pea doing his own plan. it shows me he's really not serious. when they come out and say my way or the highway and if congress doesn't ask be with i'll put it on the desk and say pass it now, that's no way to get it done. but it seems to me to show the president really doesn't want immigration reform. >> leaks don't happen in washington by accident. this races the question that many of us continue to wonder about. does the president really want a result or does he

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