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Guest Post: Is American Justice Dead?

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Submitted by David Galland, via Casey Research,


And by "stronger" laws, I mean laws that are impervious to tampering for personal or political gains. The connection between a sound judiciary and economic health is readily comprehensible, except maybe to a politician... businesses and individuals are far more likely to invest capital in a country with understandable laws that are impartially and universally enforced than if the opposite condition exists.




And that was pretty much it.










Another recent case is that of the LIBOR fixing scandal.







It Goes On… and On…



















What's It Mean to You and Me?










Some general approaches for your consideration.
















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Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:09 | 3139530 secret_sam
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There's no such thing as "justice."  There's only law enforcement, which itself is tyranny.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:13 | 3139542 qqqqtrader
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<--- AGREE


Lets get some justice!


Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:33 | 3139734 Richard Chesler
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Just-us not Just-ice.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:58 | 3139797 Sockeye
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Thu, 01/10/2013 - 06:22 | 3139992 Supernova Born
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Since when did politicians in black dresses dispense justice?

A centuries old sheepskin won't do a thing to protect you from a corrupt Chicago gangster and his FSA mob.

Join the NRA. They are here and now.

The Founders are mouldering in their graves. They would wish us luck if they could.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 06:54 | 3140086 Boris Alatovkrap
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TBTJ - "Too Big is to Jail"

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 08:14 | 3140135 markmotive
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TMKF - Too Many Kids to Fail

Welfare mom with 15 kids wants you pay for her mistakes.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 08:27 | 3140141 GetZeeGold
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Meet the new sheriff - JON CORZINE aka Mr. Untouchable

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 10:38 | 3140409 trav777
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gonna be some shooting sooner or later

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 11:02 | 3140470 SamAdams
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They are counting on that and is the reason for project "endgame". Its a real govt document you can obtain online.

There will be no justice at the late stage of the republic. The Masons take an oath to protect other masons from prosecution of all crimes less treason and murder. And at the highest levels, there are no exceptions. You see, they brainwash the public to be fair and not lie, steal; then do exactly the opposite to take advantage of the public. They have been doing this since before the colonies were said to be 13. Now that the empires wealth extraction process is broken, these psychopaths are becoming worried and desperate, committing increasingly bold and blatant crimes.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 11:30 | 3140584 pods
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Yep, the Masons.  Definitely the Masons.

Do they have a big presence in the City of London?


Thu, 01/10/2013 - 05:41 | 3140061 Hobie
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Whiskey and just-ice. What a beautiful combination.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 04:59 | 3140038 Anasteus
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Very good petition!

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 09:00 | 3140177 negative rates
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It's already been done, and when the guy complained, he got arrested for raping a hotel maid here in the USA.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:38 | 3139605 yrbmegr
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You are sort of right, but of course the truth is more complex. We can try to be just, but human justice is imperfect. Our "justice" system is really a law enforcement system, as you state, especially because laws are not per se just, and our system gives rise to laws that are less just than they could be.  In ignoring the justice of our laws, we violate the spirit of our constitution, the #2 objective of which is to "establish justice".

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:58 | 3139796 Anusocracy
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Jury nullification would reduce the effect of unjust laws.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 11:09 | 3140509 LongPAU
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True, but only in the case of jury trials.

Most people who go to PMITA prison succumb to plea bargaining.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 11:34 | 3140603 pods
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And even during a jury trial a defense attorney cannot challenge the law in question or inform the jury that they have the ultimate power in deciding law.

(this link is actually NH codifying that a defense attorney CAN inform a jury about it)


Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:58 | 3139660 DoChenRollingBearing
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Peru is a country with many problems, but it DOES seem to have shaken-off the lefvty nonsense you see in Argentina.  I am reasonably familiar with Peru, having our business there over 20 years.

YES, their .gov is large and grasping (and at various levels), and there are the inevitable aggravations of dealing with local authorities and bureaucrats.  There is not much justice there either, teh way you get around that is to AVOID problems, and the ones you cannot (counterfeiting of Korean bearings for example), you just deal with it, as many of those problems are transient.

But, our company THERE is free from a lot of crap I see small businesses suffering through here.  You really CANNOT avoid some problems here, some of them are very damaging (lawsuits for starters).

Forget about borrowing money in Peru however.  The good thing about that is that it is almost impossible to go bankrupt if you do not owe any money...

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:03 | 3139662 Michaelwiseguy
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We need Defense Rifles like AR-15s to defend ourselves against the recent 1.8 billion hollow point bullet purchase made by the Federal Government through the TSA for the DHS.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:21 | 3139713 Freddie
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If it comes down to it - .308 and .223 are preferable to .40.  Reach out and touch someone.  Looks like they are getting around to assasinating AR15 gun buildings and youtube gun video makers.

Hope and Change.  Oh yeah red team - blue team but the lefty teams seems to be a lot worse now.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:49 | 3139778 DoChenRollingBearing
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I have NO PROBLEM AT ALL with Defense Rifles, I have an AK (7.62 x 39) myself.  Expecting more magazines for it by UPS any day now, and buying ammo every chance I get.

Nice recent video and commentary by a tough gal on our side:

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 01:12 | 3139819 otto skorzeny
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I am having some issues with sites like Cheaper Than Dirt billing me for stuff like high cap mags(LMAO) I have ordered after saying they have the things in stock and then not coming through with the product. forget about getting 7.62 ammo right now. i like ann but her muslim bashing can be a little much.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 01:37 | 3139876 salvadordaly
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Reload your own. It is really simple, and a lot cheaper, and more reliable.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 11:56 | 3140696 zuuma
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"Reload your own"

Indeed. Except, of course, that all components - particularly primers - are now made of unobtainium.

Plus the cost has gone way up even if you could get the components.

Brass & lead are expensive, now. Not much cheaper to reload, especially vs. steel cased factory commie rounds.


Many other dudes and dudesses who noticed that ammo shelves were bare, bought out all the cases, powder & primers.

Hell. You can't even get DIES in common calibers.

Fortunately, I paniced very early, to avoid the rush.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 09:12 | 3140194 Buckaroo Banzai
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Her "Muslim bashing" is extremely well researched and reality-based. The more you look at the Muslim "religion" (it's really more of a political system than a religion), the more awful and horrifying it appears.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 10:41 | 3140414 trav777
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most of it is indistinguishable from the talmud; that's because mo stole that religion to put his own stamp on it

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 12:35 | 3140853 donsluck
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Or the Christians, who definetly hold the prize after incinerating many thousands in Japan (Bhuddist), Iraq (moslim), Afghanistan (moslim), and the rest. I will stick out my neck and, off the cuff, declare that Christians are the most deadly religion.

BTW, how do you "steal" a religion?

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 12:51 | 3140927 DaveyJones
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the pocket bible

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 01:10 | 3139821 ACP
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And don't forget this - sorry for the repost, I posted this yesterday also - but it's pretty important (and fitting) seeing how we're just about to enter a new dark age.

Useful skillz, bitchez:

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 08:09 | 3140131 LongSoupLine
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I miss all my inventory and silver after my unfortunate boating accident.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 11:20 | 3140538 DMac
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Barnhardt is a hardcore Zionist.  Anyone that claims to follow Christ, yet believes in Jewish supremacism, is not worth your time.



Thu, 01/10/2013 - 01:11 | 3139823 otto skorzeny
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there has been some weird stuff going on with those guys from FPSRussia going on.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 01:22 | 3139849 A Lunatic
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Yeah, stuff like being dead............

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 06:29 | 3140077 Seer
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"Oh yeah red team - blue team but the lefty teams seems to be a lot worse now."

Good to see an acknowledgement that it's a tango..

BTW - Would the "other" team be a "righty team?"

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 23:35 | 3143329 jerry_theking_lawler
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remember, the constitution guarantees us a right to Weapons of Offence...aka Arms.

i want a 155 mm howitzer and patriot missle battery.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:06 | 3139676 ACP
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Unlike here in the US, where the govt routinely designs laws specifically to put their enemies in the poorhouse...

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 01:02 | 3139802 Anusocracy
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If you don't run the system, don't expect to benefit from it.

Something the workers in the Western nations will have to relearn.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 16:56 | 3142045 rayduh4life
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The trick is to write the rules in such a way as they don't apply to you.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:34 | 3139739 ball-and-chain
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You've got guys who are too big to go to jail.

No shit.

The governmet is so worried about the health of the economy that financial crime no longer exists--if you're a member of the club.

It' mind-boggling.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 10:44 | 3140426 trav777
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yes.  The system is a house of cards and so they're having to bend the rules.  And the little people are agreeing with it.  They only objected to TARP because it was G Busch.  When bama runs $2T deficits, it's ok, because he's "saving the economy."  And vice versa.

The little people are too stupid to understand any of the issues...they only know that the happy happy days aren't here now and they would go along with anything that someone promises will bring them back.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 12:37 | 3140860 donsluck
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Trav, I am little and I'm not stupid. May I speak for the 99% little guys and say fuck you.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:49 | 3139775 SilverRhino
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<-- "He's dead Jim" (Redshirt Ensign American Justice)
<-- Alive, well and ressurrected like Spock

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 01:28 | 3139861 secret_sam
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Interpretations of the word differ.  That's why efforts to formalize the concept are completely doomed to failure.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 01:45 | 3139890 Dr. Sandi
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We're not talking about justice. We are talking about rule of law. Contract law, specifically.

Without enforceable contract law, there is no property right.

Without property right, there is little reason to bust one's ass.

Without a lot of people busting their asses, their is no civilization.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 08:44 | 3140159 shovelhead
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Important distinction.

Good law favors justice but justice is a relative term.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 09:32 | 3140240 sessinpo
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You made an irrelevant reply. Here is why

You said:" Important distinction. Good law favors justice but justice is a relative term."


That was in response to: We're not talking about justice. We are talking about rule of law. Contract law, specifically."


Your post lacks critical thinking and logic. Thumbs up for Dr. Sandi and thumbs down for shovelhead.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 12:30 | 3140472 DaveyJones
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Well said but it isn't just contract law that has collapsed. Tort law and criminal law has as well. So has freedom of information and public access. All fundamental to democracy and capitalism. The government can kidnap you, torture you, realize you're the wrong guy, and then drop you back in another country. WHen you try to sue, the Supreme Court will (and has) dismissed the action because it might reveal vital "state secrets" in the war on terror. Even basic constitutional three branch structures are falling apart as the executive branch rises in the unitary theory and keeps the legislative out of war and killing decisions and the legislative creates super committees to make private decisions the rest of them should be doing in public debate.

Legal collapse is the symptom. Corruption and democratic collapse is the disease.  

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 12:03 | 3140699 MachoMan
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Kind of.  The rule of law also has checks and balances...  In other words, there are necessary safeguards for overzealous enforcement, e.g. prosecutorial discretion.  This isn't the proper medium to debate the merits, but I think it's obvious that this is a necessary hallmark of our legal system.

The problem?  Well, in the case of global settlements with the government for criminal or civil liability, the discretion of prosecuting individuals can be used the other way...  not to act as a check and balance against overzealous members of the executive branch, but instead to placate political desires of entrenched power when the executive branch does nothing but sit on its hands.  

In short, I'm not sure that the rule of law is completely perverted so much as prosecutorial discretion (and/or inept/corrupt executive branch enforcers).  In other words, if the cases were ever before the court, I think they're likely to reach the correct conclusion, e.g. the sea change of foreclosure defense.  I think you'll see this play out with private civil suits following settlements with the government.

Further, the courts are also bound by bad law (courts have to hold their noses and pass judgment, despite believing the underlying law is complete bullshit), e.g. changes to the bankruptcy code that give superpriority to derivative creditors ("corzined").  As a result, the "rule of law" is only as good as the law... 

I'll certainly concede that there have also been some bad decisions (e.g. the method/procedure utilized in the MFG case to derive different results, obamacare, citizens, et. al), but I largely fault many of the complicated financial cases on the prosecuting parties/plaintiffs...  one must presume the court is ignorant of virtually everything and a failure to persuade the court is largely a failure of effective communication (lawyering).  As a result, I think much of the financial world has actually become practically too difficult to prosecute...  the complexity of the system has reached the point where we are impotent to understand all of its innerworkings and make meaningful change to simplify it...  or, in this case, prosecute transgressions against it.  I fault the legislature for overly complicated laws...  (the judiciary's screwups are then merely moral hazard of unnecessary government intrusion).  However, there may be a failure of the adversarial system in some cases, especially overly complicated financial cases (that lawyers, especially prosecutors, avoid like the plague since the amount of prep time is exponentially increased and they're typically public servants).

In addition, the rule of law is more of a quaint notion than objective reality...  the simple fact is that the "rule of law" is always bent/broken for some and not others.  It has always been this way and will continue for the foreseeable future.  The only argument is that it is more "fair" sometimes than others...  benefiting more people sometimes.

[PS, as someone who enforces contracts on a daily basis, you're arguing the exception and not the rule].

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 07:41 | 3140108 Cloud9.5
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There is just us.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 09:39 | 3140252 exi1ed0ne
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Susan: With tooth fairies? Hogfathers?
Susan: So we can believe the big ones?
Susan: They're not the same at all.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:10 | 3139532 ACP
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It's just about to come alive here, shortly.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:14 | 3139551 NemoDeNovo
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I'ma thinking you are more then correct on that one....

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:28 | 3139578 eatthebanksters
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It's why changing gun ownership laws has taken on such a sense of urgency withour government.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:37 | 3139598 ACP
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The important thing to remember is that even Hitler & Stalin didn't overtly say they were going to murder people before/after they give up their guns, whereas the Dems & their media cronies & other national socialists are pretty blatant about it.

Just the latest example of many, many, many. I don't necessarily agree with Alex Jones' delivery, but the more than conspicuous threats from the mainstream left should be very disconcerting to all.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:25 | 3139716 LongBalls
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The elite are going for it right here, right now. Wether you believe in gun ownership or not you can not deny this fact. Here is the kicker though. All those American's out there buying up guns hand over fist are not doing it because they intend to give up thier new purchase. They are buying the guns because they know they are coming for them and they are having no part of it. This country is on the verge of another revolution. The elite, media, and government will call it terrorism but rest assured. The Revolution is about to commence. The banker schills have no idea what they are about to unleash. They are clearly getting desperate. The collapse or WW3 must be a heck of a lot closer than we know. It's time to find our God once again. We should have never left. God Bless America!

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:55 | 3139790 DoChenRollingBearing
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You wrote:


In addition to your main point above I would suggest that ZH-ers consider a thought I have had for years:

"Git while the gittin's good."  

Works for me.  Sometimes you can buy stuff, then it gets harder...

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 01:31 | 3139867 jomama
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when the fuck did partisan jesus worshippers take over ZH?

gtfo the last piece of sanity i have left. 

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 08:01 | 3140128 lakecity55
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Uh, as long as I have been here, we seem open to anyone, higher power or no higher power.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 01:47 | 3139894 Dr. Sandi
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I already found God. He was having sex with Satan and their were both laughing their asses off about the fast one they had pulled on 'those stupid humans.'

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 12:41 | 3140884 donsluck
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Love it!

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 06:37 | 3140078 Seer
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It's the death of GROWTH!

The shills are all those who believe in the grow-or-die meme.

Because growth is dead (we've peaked on the majority of total resource extraction) the shills are on the chopping block.  So, yes, it follows that they SHOULD be nervous.  The keeper of the keys of a flawed system...

Most people don't have a clue about what this collapse is going to be like.  I assure you that when it goes down you WON'T be experiencing any euphoria about the loss of the shills (be too busy surviving).

"It's time to find our God once again. We should have never left. God Bless America!"

Gott mit uns?

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 10:54 | 3140454 trav777
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I believe i should speak here.

As apparently the only person on this (or any other) forum who makes a routine habit of visiting collapsed societies, I can say that it won't be NEARLY as bad as you think it will be.

In fact, the collapse is what is happening RIGHT NOW.  Rome collapsed over centuries.  Yes, I know it takes only a few seconds to read about this collapse, but Rome wasn't fully gone until...gosh, maybe it's still even there in some respects.  The Vatican sure as hell is.

I've been in countries with lots of zeros on their bills in S. America, even just went to freakin Zimbabwe where they are using the USD (what a hoot that is).  Life can certainly suck, but as long as you don't live in an area that already has a massive violence rate, you'll be ok.  People even lived their lives in Beirut during the civil war for crying out loud.

Serbia was totally ok, Brazil, Colombia...most of Johannesburg is surrounded by walls now and razor wire, with armed guards and whatnot and this fact was bemoaned by people there, ZOMG.  I said wtf, it is already and has already been like that in brazil for years!  That's the NORMAL state of being, not western european standards of respect and tolerance.

Stop bleating and just get on with living life. It's "going down" right now as we speak all around you.  What you see now is a symptom of collapse.

At some point, you people are gonna have to make some hard choices and confront some mental third rails you won't go near, or else you and people like you are going to be extinct.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 11:40 | 3140634 flattrader
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And speaking of confronting some mental third rails to avoid extintion, those reactors a Fuku scrammed, right trav?

The 3 meltdowns are all in our imaginations, correct?

To be lectured by the likes of you on reality and mental third rails is a real treat.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 11:55 | 3140689 TuPhat
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Flattrader,  Yes the reactors scrammed.  The problem was decay heat not fission of fuel.  You obviously know little about nuclear reactors.  You should try to learn something about a subject before you get so adamant about it.  There is enough decay heat left in the fuel to cause it to melt even after the fission reaction is shut down.  That is what happened at TMI.  Most of the stuff on ZH about Fukushima is nonsense.  They should stick to economics, thats what they are good at.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 13:34 | 3140740 flattrader
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You got it wrong my friend.  All three melted down.  The Japs finally admitted to it. 

This is not a "scram" scenario.




Reactors 1, 2 and 3 experienced a full meltdown, it said....

And since JAPGOV/TEPCO lied about the meltdowns for more than one year, there is doubt that the units successfully scrammed before loss of cooling.

The plant was in serious trouble long before the tsunami hit.

Read eyewitness accounts of structural damage...before the tsunami waves ever arrived on scene.

>>>The suspicion that the earthquake caused severe damage to the reactors is strengthened by reports that radiation leaked from the plant minutes later. The Bloomberg news agency has reported that a radiation alarm went off about a mile from the plant at 3.29pm, before the tsunami hit.<<<

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 12:28 | 3140783 DaveyJones
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Well said Trav. Whether engineered or not, the key to the collapse is what it has always been. Human ingenuity, self sufficiency, and a lack of panic. Do not let the same powers that be who let this crap collapse increase their role. ANd as you point out, a big part of America's problem is the problem of all empires, its egocentric inability to compare its problems and solutions with the rest of the world. Know your neighbors, earn their respect, demand that of them. Make honest trades, share information and skills. The collapse could very well remedy a lot of what is wrong. As long as we keep our heads. 

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:10 | 3139533 pragmatic hobo
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it's wild-west and gold-rush all over again ...

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 01:48 | 3139895 Dr. Sandi
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Even in the Wild West, if the crimes were too outrageous, 'citizens' committees' were formed to deal with the perps. Usually from behind.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:13 | 3139546 Thomas
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hang a bunch of the  bankers.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:14 | 3139553 tooriskytoinvest
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Taxes, Revenue, Fines, and Fiscal Cliff: How guns, asbestos, financial fraud, and occupational safety describe the true problem.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:24 | 3139565 otto skorzeny
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CNBC said UBS has "cleaned up" the LIBOR scandal in-house so IT'S ALL GOOD. Also-I think Hillary shoved such a huge dildo up inside her twazoo that it choked off the blood supply to her brain. And I know it's fucked up by I find myself planning looting expeditions for when the SHTF in my head as I drive around town.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:24 | 3139572 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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One of the best posts EVER on ZH. Everything else can go, but if/when we lose the rule of law then we are truly screwed.

What more evidence do you need? The largest fraud in the history of mankind (Liebor)? How about the blatant theft of $1.6 *billion* Mr. Corzine? Not enough for you? Well then why not the financiers of the biggest drug cartels in the world directly protected by the White House?

WTFU people

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 01:08 | 3139817 Anusocracy
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In case you hadn't noticed, law IS the problem.

Somewhere I read there were over two million laws in the US. Probably a lot more than that now.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 07:52 | 3140120 spentCartridge
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They ain't laws.

They are legal land bullshit rules and only .gov employees (voters) need to respect them.

Learn what real law is ... then take it from there.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 07:57 | 3140124 lakecity55
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Right on. A lot of "regulations" are assumed to be laws.

The only law you have to follow is Constitutional, so far as your conscience is concerned.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 15:23 | 3141569 Anusocracy
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The constitution of no authority?

That constitution?

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 12:25 | 3140801 DaveyJones
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yes, "the law" or the state of it, is the symptom not the cause. Both its needless complexity and the failure to enforce basic constitutional, property and criminal principles are an outgrowth of the corruption.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 15:01 | 3141429 ItchyBeard
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The only real law is the one that leads to freedom. There is no other law.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 15:25 | 3141592 Anusocracy
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Private law.

In rural areas there used to be signs posted such as: Private Property. Trespassers Will Be Shot.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 01:18 | 3139839 socalbeach
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And as an added bonus I've noticed the better articles tend to have better comments.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:25 | 3139573 A Lunatic
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We have a relative handful of "Representatives" "working" together with Lobbyists and the Money Masters in order to map out the future of America. What could possibly go wrong?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:31 | 3139584 monkman
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He has to write the headline as a question? This is the USSA.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:31 | 3139585 Cabreado
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"Some general approaches for your consideration.

Not so fast.
Your "approaches" come from

1. little creativity

1. defeat

You should be ashamed.
If you are not ashamed,

1. you are part of the problem.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:35 | 3139597 earleflorida
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God Bless you...

"Julian Assange"   ;-)>

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 06:46 | 3140082 Random
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Julian Assange is a fraud! Do you think that a random guy can do what Assange has done?! Random "terrorists" get a missile through the window for no substantial harm done to the US / whatever and Assange can do this kind of "damage" and still walks around?! Dudes got suicided with 5 rifle shots to the back of the head for way less. Get real brah...

Sat, 01/12/2013 - 22:44 | 3148041 MeelionDollerBogus
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Random GUY?

Wikileaks is more than 1 person & OpenLeaks is out there too, as is Anonymous.

How did you conclude the entire operation is the one guy getting the government to waste their time & money on him instead of hunting future leakers?

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:37 | 3139600 Count de Money
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Yes, why isn't Jon Corzine in jail for stealing and blowing $1.2 billion of investor money? Or Franklin Raines, the ex-CEO of Fannie Mae and, while there's plenty of blame to go around, the person probably most responsible for the housing meltdown? Or tax cheats Tim Geithner and Charlie Rangel? Why isn't the press hounding these people 24/7?

Oh, because they're Democrats.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:53 | 3139644 NoDebt
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No, they're liberals.  There's a difference.

But boil it all down to the most basic level and they're a minority that has found a way of grabbing power and suppressing the majority who do not agree with them or their ideas.  They don't even believe in what they say, they just say what has to be said to gain power.  You want wealth, they'll promise it to you.  You want "real" justice, they'll promise it to you.  You want to be heard, they will pretend to listen.  All they ask in return is that you give them the power to grant you everything they have promised to you.  But when you do, they will take that power and give you none of what they promised. 

They're con men.  Oldest trick in the book.  Give me what I want first, then I'll give you all you desire.  Promise.


Thu, 01/10/2013 - 05:51 | 3140067 Acet
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Meanwhile in the UK, the ex-head of the Financial Services Authority, who was right there at the top of the regulator when LIBOR was happening (and did NOTHING), just got a Knighthood.

Can't make this shit up.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:38 | 3139603 q99x2
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How is this possible? Answer: Eric Holder. 

He is the most notorious crimminal in the US at this time. As far as HSBC, drug running operations has been a part of their business model since at least the 1600s.

How do you think Queenie got her treasures? Answer: not by being a decent human being.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 01:35 | 3139827 palmereldritch
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Nailed it.

Details here:


Thu, 01/10/2013 - 07:54 | 3140122 lakecity55
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Back in the day, if you were a real terrorist and you got busted, Eric was the man to call.  Many arrested terrorists had his phone number on them when busted.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:41 | 3139612 F. Bastiat
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And yet, not a word from Matt Taibbi regarding the hundreds of Latinos gunned down by the high-powered rifles smuggled into Mexico by swarms of the despot's officers; most notably the individual occupying the head position at the central bureau of injustice.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:52 | 3139642 dvfco
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Matt Taibbi has turned into a pinko communist leftis whore just like the rest of the msm.  He's gone from being a reporter to a real piece of garbage.  


By the way, isn't it great that we are in such straits and Obama's second term hasn't even started.  How many millions will be spent having him lie while taking the oath of office again - then partying the night away with all those who went with the "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em group."

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:57 | 3139655 F. Bastiat
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I'm encouraged by the resistance, actually. We're getting better at it now that we know the routine of the collectivist left.  They're not exactly difficult to predict.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 01:20 | 3139844 jomama
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another bullshit post deluded over a false paradigm.  

both sides of the aisle have been fully captured, numbnuts.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:44 | 3139623 adr
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The rule of law should bring back what we have lost.

Law 1: Respect

Law 2: Personal responsibility

Law 3: Local Community

Path to what we have lost:

Kill all those who wish to receive compensation without work, end fractional reserve banking, and disband the federal government. Can't figure out how to add to constructive society, well then you die.

Really not too hard.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:01 | 3139665 Apply Force
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No argument about disbanding the fed gov or ending fractional reserve banking, but the killing and death you suggest dealing out would make you no better than the state now.  Why must another participate constructively to society to not be killed? 

I think maybe you need to think through your premise a little more.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:07 | 3139681 F. Bastiat
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Cut off the spoils of plunder and they'll take it out amongst themselves. Let the savages and barbarians pillage each other.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:58 | 3139795 mayhem_korner
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How about getting back to respecting original, God-given natural law, which has been incrementally, but forcibly removed from its central place in society?

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 01:20 | 3139848 Anusocracy
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How about a couple of axioms:

No initiation of aggression

Self-ownership of person and labor only

Interactions are voluntary and unencumbered.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 01:31 | 3139866 GFKjunior
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Who owns the property?

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 07:49 | 3140117 lakecity55
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Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:49 | 3139637 dvfco
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Is it a coincidence that we are also hearing that Obama may outlaw guns (anywhere from all guns to just the most hardcore assault rifles) within the next day or two - and do it by executive order?  We are living under Martial Law and anyone who thinks otherwise will find out soon enough.  

It doesn't take a genius to see that our society has become so divided (all intentionally by the Chosen One) that rage is building almost everywhere.  Riots, looting, etc. would be just what he needs to bring in the 100% martial law, 100% socialism and a rule by 100% executive order.  And, if you think you can do anything to stop it, ask Manning or Assange.  Oh, that's right, we can't.  

Just think, Assange is a reporter and will be held until he dies in a consulate.  Safe passage has been guaranteed to and from consulates even in the most turbulent times for people to return to their home countries.  Look at Castro leading up to the Mariel Boatlift - even he recognized he had to act properly when thousands made it inside the gates of a foreign embassy.  

Many believe that everything went to shit in 1913 with the start of the Fed or with the assassination of JFK.  I wish we could get someone in the executive branch to return the seat of power to its rightful place in our society, as one-third of our government.  Also, we need to limit the abuse of power that has all of us being wiretapped and recorded in every phone call, e-mail and web page we visit.  Who knows, this may be the last comment I ever post.  

It reminds me of a record from when I was a kid.  It was "An Evening Wasted with Jim Lehrer" and one song went - "They're coming to take me away ha ha he he hoo hoo - to the funny farm where life if beautiful all the time and I'll be happy to see those fine young men in their clean white suits and their coming to take me away . . "

I think I'm losing it.  Pretty soon I'll think the flu epidemic is Obama's fault.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 01:15 | 3139831 vamoose1
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   just  a  great  post  so  thank  you   so  succinct.   i  am  about  your  age  a nd  respectfully   it  may   have  been  tom   lehrer    and  man  we  loved  that   song  at   oh   about  age  12    he  was  a  very  interesting   guy   a  glorious   shit  disturber   way  ahead  of  his  time     i  remember  the  words  now   that  you  repeated  them   that  song  became  pretty   controversial    because  it  was  not  intended  to  be   funny 

    you  are  not  losing  it  sir/madam   YOU ARE GAINING IT. The  whole  process  of   alt  discovery  is  frankly   downright hair  raising ...  its  also   pretty   humbling   to  discover  how  it  really   works   and  the  skill  with  which  its  obscured  but  its incredibly  important  to  approach  this  eyes  open. I would rather know  than  not  know ,    thank  you  again   i  hope  you   keep  posting ...   this  is  a  numbers  game  and  we  need  every  sentient  body  out  there .         gs  

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 03:41 | 3139985 Tall Tom
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"They're Coming To Take Me Away" was performed by Napoleon XIV. It was a classic on the Dr. Demento syndicated Radio Show out of Sacremento, CA. It also has two corallary songs which are as equally hillarious. It is about a dog, named Josephine, who left its Master.

Wed, 01/09/2013 - 23:53 | 3139647 Westcoastliberal
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Things are even worse than this article portends (which I wholeheartedly agree with).  Worse than you can even imagine.  Seriously, take a look at the excellent paper Catherine Austin Fitts has assembled:

I guarantee you'll have a very different imagine of the U.S. government after reading this.  I sure did.


Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:33 | 3139738 Cheyenne
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Fitts is fantastic. She was on to the kleptocracy before anyone else I can think of. Her paper "The Myth of the Rule of Law" is from 2002 and explains much of what's happened over the last decade: (warning: it's long, ~12K words)

Fitts recently cut to core problem facing pretty much all Western democracies:

"It comes down to law. The debt was fraudulently induced. It’s not lawful. Repudiating it returns you to a state of law, and that’s what we need." (cue to 50:00)

She was talking about Iceland, where bank bailouts were rejected and bankers were prosecuted and jailed--and where the unemployent rate is now well below 5%.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:41 | 3139756 Cheyenne
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As a sidebar, Fitts was the Assistant Sec'y of HUD under and raised funds for Bush 1. It's curious to say the least that she's among any number of Republican insiders who've blown the whistle on massive corruption within the government.


"It hasn't happened. Deep Throat is a Republican cabal. Go figure."

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 01:30 | 3139865 mayhem_korner
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History shows that the "kleptocracy" is the expected and eventual outcome of every state.  And the rot is always veiled, as that is human nature.  So when you say "she was on to the kleptocracy before anyone else", you must be referring to those who have a misplaced expectation of an uninterrupted vector of virtue, justice and prosperity. 

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:39 | 3139753 H E D G E H O G
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great link, thanks

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:58 | 3139798 Curiously_Crazy
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Only if you live in the USSA. A majority of the rest of the world has been well aware for quite a while.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 01:25 | 3139856 mayhem_korner
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Agreed.  Because the U.S. was for so long the most prosperous country ever formed, it still suffers the illusion that it can never falter.  Like the fiat monetary system, once the social and justice system becomes reliant on itself, it's fate is sealed.  Just like every one prior...

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 01:19 | 3139842 mayhem_korner
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Her mistake is she assumes the solution can be found from the same source from which the problem originates.  The degradation of society is not a new occurence, and the current state of the U.S. is not "worse than you can even imagine" because worse has occurred.  Worse than perhaps the U.S. citizenry can imagine happening to them, perhaps.  The context of a longer-term perspective would aid her understanding in my view.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:13 | 3139700 JohnGaltsChild
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"....because the cops don't need you, and man, they expect the same" - Bob Dylan

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 07:44 | 3140113 lakecity55
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C'mon, Americans, get all yer guns

We're gonna have a shooting down Highway 61.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 07:48 | 3140115 overmedicatedun...
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the most powerful people on earth will be and are those who; cook for and serve the elite, one does not fight the biggest gun and goon owners with guns, just a little input into asymetric warfare.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:16 | 3139703 Yen Cross
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 Viva Hugo Chavez? OOPS wrong Dictatorship.   Exxon -Mobile= Hugo Chavez/

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:22 | 3139714 chunga
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Justice isn't dead. It just smells that way.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:36 | 3139744 sansnobel
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Obama should be  popped  there's  justice for you.  Every fucking Democrat or Republikan inside the belt way should have a fucking 50megaton thermonuclear device dropped on them.  The world would then be a much better place.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 07:39 | 3140107 lakecity55
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Knock Knock

Who's there?

NDAA! Buda Budda Budda!


Body slumps to floor

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:37 | 3139745 SmittyinLA
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The Mexican mafia runs the CA legislature, no seriously they really do


Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:37 | 3139746 CheapBastard
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British taxpayers must feel warm and cuddly paying for those 100 police officers....


Very generous of them....


"...Julian Assange, who is now a prisoner, surrounded by upwards of 100 police officers.... '

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 07:37 | 3140104 lakecity55
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(clears throat), uh, I say, Limeys, we all know the guy is a CIA plant. You are not fooling anyone. You may go home.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:48 | 3139770 Curiously_Crazy
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American justice died a long long time ago. Sad but true.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 02:01 | 3139908 Dr. Sandi
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Unfortunately, it was a suicide.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 00:53 | 3139787 Lord Of Finance
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'The shortest straw has been pulled for you!' :D

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 01:19 | 3139836 williambanzai7
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+1 for quoting De Soto. All the global finance missionaries from the IMF etc love to quote him while pontificating to the developing world about transparency and corruption.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 01:22 | 3139850 jonjon831983
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"The tourists held by Greek police as illegal migrants"

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 02:45 | 3139924 Yen Cross
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 Bitchez! Respectfully!      The United States is alive and well!  That needs stitches. What? Border/ Iran (captured)

  Let's be practical. Campfire- Cub Scout practical> watch the video ( The Guy an Imbecile) smart ass extraodinaire.

 Should He parisch? I have some Jamie Colemans at Forex Live to destroy! I donate $ annomously to his Down Syndrome daughter!

                                       Disturbing images of kidnapped ex-FBI agent Robert Levinson dressed as ragged Guantanamo detainee point to involvement of Iranian government say U.S. officials | Mail Online                                                                                           Jamie you crossed the wrong bridge.``````Pussy.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 02:59 | 3139959 IamtheREALmario
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One thing that I do not understand is why the low level police, military, spies and other servants of the elitists actually do their slavely bidding.

Is the pay that good? Are their morals that weak? Is the 20 coin worth selling their soul?

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 04:44 | 3140029 Kickaha
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I'm not sure about the folks in the military, but as for the local police, drugs is your answer.  The police defend the largest cartels.  When busts are made, they involve the young turks who erroneously sought to displace the powers that be.  That's how the police earn those envelopes of cash.  In addition to the cash, the cops get a promise that their spouses and kids won't suffer horrible, violent, premature death.  The cops, in return for the cash and the safety of their families, agree not to make the families of the drug lords suffer the same awful fate.

The budgets of the local police departments get greatly augmented by drug forfeiture assets to the point that they can no longer function without this additional input.  As an institution, they could not persist absent a vibrant trade in illicit drugs, in which they have become investors.

And the illicit drug industry prospers and grows.  There is no other possible explanation for its success over time, or for the ironic "War on Drugs" which goes on and on for time everlasting.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 14:50 | 3141383 oddball
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Again, how much did the NYPD get from that bank during that occupy hubbub?

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 04:06 | 3139997 pcrs
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All laws are there for the manipulation of the tax slaves. 

A law is just someones opinion with a gun. You don't need a law to buy a good pair of shoes and you do not need it to rent a good security firm or private court to handle disputes.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 04:12 | 3139999 AnAnonymous
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Another day, another 'american' day.

As usual, with 'americans', a litmus test is introduced and from that point, it is their "either with us or against us" stuff.

the stronger the rule of law, the stronger the economy.
What? You mean that a country like the US, that is nothing less than the mecca of 'americanism' has had a strong economy because of a strong rule of law?

If in a country where a president could sit on a judicial decision recalling the Indians' natural rights to their ancestors'land, that means a strong rule of law, one cant wait to see what means a weak rule of law.

What's going on? Quite simple. 'Americans' have built their success the way they did and that includes a very selective application of law, that has been designed to distribute favours.

This is from day one. This 'american' doing is not changed since the beginning. Still works the same.

But at present times, 'americans' are running out of the usual suspects to be fed to the 'american' machine.
The machine itself has not changed. And that is what scares 'americans'
What is changing is the inputs to the machine: more and more 'american' middle classers are finding themselves fed to the machine when they got the idea this should never happen.

Bad days, it is happening. Hence the success of lines of thought featuring a fabled past, showing the 'american' machine different from what it was.
This fantasy allows room for claiming the machine has changed.

Tough luck, the machine has not changed, just running out of the usual suspects to be fed with.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 04:27 | 3140010 akak
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Lead-tainted playthings and slow-roasted kittens
Black cooking marmites and foul public shittins'
Denial, bigotry and middle class kings
These are a few of my favorite things

Crap-covered roadsides and crisp Szechuan puppies
Truncheons and sweat shops and Chink neo-yuppies
Rare tiger penis that makes big the shwing
These are a few of my mattering things

When the dog woks
When the prole shites
When I'm feeling sad
I simply remember my favorite theme:
That every 'American' is bad.

Dead female fetuses on toxic waste mountains
Resource depletion and shit-tainted fountains
Naked hypocrisy and trolling in spring
These are a few of my blobbing-up things

Citizenism and insanitation
The criminal rape of the Tibetan nation
Circular arguments that run 'round in rings
These are a few of my favorite things

When I troll blogs
When my butt stinks
When I'm feeling mad
I simply remember my mattering thing:
That every 'American' is bad.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 04:47 | 3140030 AnAnonymous
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The issue of justice in 'american' societies is indeed very circular.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 04:48 | 3140031 akak
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When I troll blogs
When my butt stinks
When I'm feeling mad
I simply remember my mattering thing:
That every 'American' is bad.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 05:01 | 3140040 Yen Cross
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AnAnonymous, please tell your bretheren to stop sxcrewing with my laptops. My endless windows updates are getting old.

 Eric Schmidt goes to North Korea and we get endless updates from Micro Soft.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 05:02 | 3140042 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Panda Funk Railroad, from the Blobbing Up album:

We're a Chinese citizenism band
We're a Chinese citizenism band
We stop and take a shit
On the roadside to Tibet
We're a Chinese citizenism band

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 05:26 | 3140047 akak
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And from the flip side of the 45:


All the chinks are squattin' the same old crap now
Come on baby, do the Bowelmotion
You'll like crapping on the roadside if you give it a chance now
Come on baby, do the Bowelmotion

My adopted Chinese sister can do it with ease,
It’s easier than shartin' in your BVDs,
So come on, come on, do the Bowelmotion with Mao...

You’ve gotta spread your sphincter
Come on, squat down, jump up, wipe back...
Well I think youve got the nack,
Woah woah...

Now that you can do shit, lets make a stain now,
Come on baby, do the Bowelmotion...
A brown and slimy lotion like the Beijing rain now,
Come on baby, do the Bowelmotion...

Make shit loud and nasty now, shart like a horn
A little bit of rhythm and a lotta corn,

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 05:42 | 3140063 TheFourthStooge-ing
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ROR! Chinese citizenism crassic rock.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 04:54 | 3140035 Kickaha
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That was just beautiful, like Julie Andrews tits.


Thu, 01/10/2013 - 05:02 | 3140043 akak
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My next number will be an adaptation from Rogers' and Hammerstein's "The Middle Class King and I".

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 11:50 | 3140674 Kickaha
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I'm not sure I can find any nudies of Deborah Kerr.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 12:56 | 3140957 DaveyJones
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keep em coming

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 04:59 | 3140039 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:

Another day, another 'american' day.

...which means another day of classic Chinese citizenism eternal nature shit-and-run commentatings from AnAnonymous.

Roll up your windows and hold your nose, and beware the brown skidmarks on the roadside.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 04:14 | 3140000 mercy
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My justice is alive and very much at play.

Thu, 01/10/2013 - 04:58 | 3140037 slackrabbit
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Look at this Sandy Hook interview - especially the 'dad' laughing with his friend before going live.

