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  1. Who wants this nut on the Supreme Court?
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  2. Great customer service from an American car company. Looks like Detroit has really learned its lesson.
  3. I agree that Megna is a loose cannon and overstates his cases, but Ford could have easily remedied the situation for far less than what they'll end up spending in legal fees. Automotive paint, regardless the color or year, is always available for body and repair shops to repaint damaged vehicles. I owna vehicle that has a very unique metallic color that was only produced for one year by another Ford division in 2008, yet following an accident last year, the body shop had no problem getting the correct paint for a perfect match. Ford should have simply scheduled to paint one Escape in the desired color as part of normal production. It's not unusual and most manufacturers will do it for anyone for an extra charge.
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  4. The first car I drove as a 16 year old was a 53 Nash with fold down seats. It had some sentimental value to me and my girlfriend of the time.

    I wonder if I can sue American Motors or Chrysler or somebody because they don't make them anymore??
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  5. My first care was a 1987 Mercury Linx with a white door and beige everything else. Can I buy a car like that?

    I guess everyone has their quirks but I never understood the stubbornness when it comes to color of the car you buy.

    To each their own I guess.

    P.S. Checked on Carsoup and there are 83 red 2012 escapes in the country right now sitting on various dealers lots. Surely Ford can arrange for one of them to be delivered.
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  6. Simple solution for Ford....

    Take the 2012 model they offered and send it to Earl Scheib to be painted Sangria Red Metallic.

    Problem solved.
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  7. let me see if I've got this straight....we had multiple mass shootings in this country last year, people are dying across the world, fighting for their freedom, children are mistreated daily, hunger still ranges on and a blue SUV is not a good enough replacement....sad, VERY sad indeed and demonstrates just how out of whack and entitled far too many American's really are....the story here isn't about the who the defense attorney is, to me the story is about how petty, spoiled and ungrateful people are and how they have to have it "there way" or they I said, sad, sad commentary on america....
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    • On Ford’s website it appears that the price range on the Escape runs from the low $20,000’s to the mid $30,000’s. For that kind of money, why shouldn’t you be able to get exactly what you want?
    • Get exactly what they want, unless a newer model worth thousands more is given to them ...

      Pathetic comment attic ..
    • This wasn't a gift, they paid for it, why should they not get what they want. How is this entitlement? If you buy wheat bread at the store in a brown bag, open it up when you get home and it's rye, would you not return it and ask what you paid for? How is this entitlement? Larger problems are more important than little ones, but don't eliminate the need to address the little problems.
    • @attc44 - yes, but a car is a's primary purpose is to get you from point A to point B....not interested in devil's advocate bs, I'm simply saying that there are far, far more important things to worry about....and yes, I think that these folks should absolutely be ashamed for turning down the replacement car because of the color and then trying to sue....frivolous lawsuit!
    • I wasn't aware of the 2012 part first time reading through the article, but apparently color is more important to the owner than the fact that the offered car is 2 years newer.
    • They didn't sue because of the color, they sued because of the lemon law and the remedy offered to them via the lemon law was not to their suiting.
    • JGlowing - my point is simple: count your frickin' can't always get what you want....far worse things can happen....these folks are unfortunately an example of the spoiled, my way or the highway, approach to thinking, that is life in the US these days....
    • Excellent, portableremote. I can't get what I want either. I want to be a ballet dancer, but I can't get a tutu big enough for my fat butt. Who can I sue. Seriously, I agree with you that if I get offered a replacement for something that wasn't right, I'd be happy. A fed vehicle isn't going to get you better gas mileage. There are so many more issues in this world to worry about. It comes down to the old cleche--GET A LIFE!!!!!!
    • Ashamed? Ford didn't offer them a car out of the kindess of their heart, they offered them a car because there were enough issues with the first car that laws on the books ordered Ford to give a replacement. If I was dealing with transmission issues on my new car you'd bet I'd want the replacement to be to my liking. Either way, I don't get the outrage and vitriol on this topic from either side.
    • @JGlowing - yes, ashamed.... people in this country need to travel abroad or perhaps visit urban areas to see how petty their "needs" are....

      the bottomline for me is that Ford fulfilled the necessary requirements of the WI lemon law:

      "If the motor vehicle you buy or lease turns out to be a "lemon," the manufacturer has to replace it free or refund the price (minus a reasonable amount for mileage)."

      Here's a link to the actual statute:

      I'm not seeking anyone's approval, nor am I trying to convince anyone to agree with me....I am simply saying that the level of selfishness is sad and it's even more sad the people who think that exposing selfishness, is wrong....

      if Ford refused to honor the law (which they wouldn't) or, if they would have given them a model the same year, I might be inclined to agree...but the kicker for me is being upset about the me, based on all of the examples I provided, it's not "vitrol" but yes, I am certainly outraged because it's absolutely outrageous...
    • @Jglowing - yes, I understand it wasn't a gift, I also understand that they still have to pay for the vehicle, the point is I think this is ridiculous....Ford is giving them a blue car, not a red is 2 years *newer* than their current car, with the same options...not trying to convince you of anything, we disagree, no more, no less....but it's definitely sad that in light of all the craziness in this world, this is all these folks have to worry about....
    • portableremote: So obviously you don't care much about car color. Some people do. Different people care about different things. You can sit there and judge them all you want.

      Of course those in the world who are worried about where they are going to get their next meal might find your outrage over the value someone else puts on car color to equally stupid and petty.
    • yes, but I understand the difference between a need and a want....they don't NEED a red car, they actually NEED a working car, which they'd have if they take the BLUE car....the color isn't the issue and it's sad that you're either playing devils advocate or you really don't understand what stupid, pettiness is.

      whatever the case, your opinion of my opinion is duly noted.

      also, people who use the old "don't judge" crutch are usually people who don't respond well to being told "no, it's not acceptable"....i absolutely make judgement calls and based on my posts, it's clear that I think these folks are kicking up a frivolous disagree, got it and I don't think any less of your opinion...
    • i disagree PR. they bought a red car for a reason and just wanted a red one in return. It's not about entitlements at all, they were not GIVEN a car to begin with, they actually BOUGHT it
    • "red" car instead of a "fed" car. I'm going to sue Dell for causing me to have a few cheap brewskies before typing in some common sense.
    • @Brian - can I get in on the lawsuit against Dell??? MY CAPS LOCK KEY RANDOMLY TURNS ON....I'm absolutely distraught!!!
    • Port, let's look at the facts:
      1. a "lemon law" exists because dealers/car manufacturers had been screwing the public ever since McPherson v. Buick on the "privity of contact cross".
      2.The specific violation of the statute was that the car was out of service for periods of 30 days or more based on a faulty transmission caused ny the manufactirer,which is the burden the buyer and offer thatf to PROVE for seeking relief or damages. Can you imagine the inconvenience of being withour a vehicle for 30 days or more and more than once?
      3. They had a contract, Ford breached it statutorially because of defective manufacture and plaintiff has a right to substantial performance of that contact or $ damages, Do you let vendors screw and inconvenience you by failing to perform as required and contracted for?
      4. Color is a critical consideration for most people in buying a car. They have a right to red or $. Why didn't Ford offer to buy a like kind and qualty vehicle and paint it the red they promised? THEY FAIILED TO PERFORM THER CONTRACT AND DEMONSTRATED THE SAME, SCREW THE CUSTOMER/"my way or the highway mentality" that creasted this critical consumer protection law in the first place.
      Frivolouslawsui? f so, why hasn't Ford counterclaimed and demanded damages and attorney disbament?
  8. Portabler. These people still have to pay for the car you idiot. Color is important to some people, and does effect resale value. Ford should have got them an exact replacement or paint the car. I'm sure nether was offered. Ford screwed up and tried to get off as cheap as the could. Escapes are know as a troubled car, and I would not have settled for less after paying probably $20000 for that piece of junk, proably $ 400 per month for 60months reminding you everyday . I like Fords and have 3 of them, but some types are just badly engineered and Escape was one of them. I don't think they make them anymore...Ford pay up....
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  9. I agree in principle that they should get what they paid for, but if Mary needs to have the same color car FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE, my heart bleeds for David every time he has to have a discussion with her about, well, anything. They got their 2010 replaced with a 2012 for Jeebus sake.
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  10. portableremote - You are ABSOLUTELY correct! Get over it.



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