#46 - randomuserything (08/12/2013) [-]
Ok, I'm not even going to bother trying to argue about this because I'm pretty sure about 90% of you are atheists, and I'm sure you're all brilliant and capable of convincing us dumb religious people that we're wrong. Honestly, I don't think arguing is going to change anyone's opinion on the matter anyways unless they want it to change....
User avatar #48 to #46 - Endofzeeworld ONLINE (08/12/2013) [-]
I'm an agnostic.
I don't know if there is a god, but I don't know there ISN'T one either.
#49 to #48 - GiantGrapes (08/12/2013) [-]
I don't know that the statue of liberty didn't come to life and walk the streets of New York in a way that nobody saw her do it, but just because i can't disprove that it didn't happen doesn't mean i'm going to leave the possibility open.
User avatar #52 to #49 - Endofzeeworld ONLINE (08/12/2013) [-]
You are correct.
What's your point?
User avatar #53 to #52 - GiantGrapes (08/12/2013) [-]
I don't think being an agnostic is a logical stance.
User avatar #56 to #53 - Endofzeeworld ONLINE (08/12/2013) [-]
I don't think atheism is logical because it is as faith-based as Christianity is.
User avatar #98 to #56 - jagenblitz ONLINE (08/12/2013) [-]
Anything that is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. The burden of proof lies with the one making the positive statement. This line of logic holds true and is generally agreed upon in pretty much every situation imaginable except for the existence of God. Do you know why that is?

It's because the existence of God is generally taught as true in much of Western society, similar to how the sky is generally taught as being blue. How many people actually know why the sky is blue? Similarly, how many people actually question the existence of God? Relatively few. There are a vast number of people who believe in God yet are not religious in any other way, and only believe so because their faith was never challenged.

That is the only reason agnosticism works. Otherwise it completely contradicts basic and common logic. Even many religious people will agree that religion is what requires faith.
#90 to #56 - YllekNayr (08/12/2013) [-]
Um, no, no it's not.

Please don't be one of those agnostics who think that it's some middle ground.

Agnosticism/gnosticism is speaking about knowledge.
Atheism/theism is speaking about theistic belief.

An agnostic says you can't be certain.
A gnostic says he is certain.
A theist believes in a god.
An atheist does not believe in a god.

Atheists do not BELIEVE there are no gods. They simple do not believe in any gods. It's only a slight difference, but atheism is NOT faith based. Please, for the love of all that is holy, understand that distinction.
#66 to #56 - Sourlime (08/12/2013) [-]
An agnostic is the lazy man's atheist.
User avatar #73 to #66 - Endofzeeworld ONLINE (08/12/2013) [-]
That I can agree with.
I'm too lazy to have conviction.
User avatar #59 to #56 - GiantGrapes (08/12/2013) [-]
I have to have faith to disbelieve in something that has 0 evidence for it?

I'm to high to get into this right now, but here is where your wrong.
You need to login to view this link atheism You need to login to view this link /atheismmyths/ a/faith.htm
(remove the spaces obviously)
User avatar #61 to #59 - GiantGrapes (08/12/2013) [-]
too* you're*
User avatar #64 to #61 - Endofzeeworld ONLINE (08/12/2013) [-]
There are so many logical fallacies in this text I cried.

The main one is that all this is assuming we know everything, assuming that we know what the results of a god existing would be, assuming that god is testable and provable.
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