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7/2/12 Livestream Chat

7/2/12 Livestream Chat

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Published by Justin Vacula
This is the chat log from the 7/2/12 livestream discussion "Women and the secular community" that was broadcasted as a special episode of the NEPA Freethought Society Podcast.

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Published by: Justin Vacula on Jul 03, 2012
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JasonPA: Euphony, it won't blow over until that clique chills outEuphony: I've seen Vacula talking about it a lotJasonPA: trueEuphony: I don't follow Watson as much so I'm not sure what she and others sayJasonPA: it makes sense that those directly involved might comment, but yeah even Justiin needs to moveon Notung: anyone planning on calling in?Godlesscat: If I am in a bar with friends and I get approached , 1 st I say no then I embarass them, then Igo to the manager CommanderTuvok: Euphony: I thought you hang out at Skepchick. Watson talks about this a lot.Euphony: I said I read her sometimes.JasonPA: but what is he to do if he's being blacklisted from the movement over this topic? you know?Euphony: It isn't oftenCommanderTuvok: ok  Notung: i think move on about certain incidents etc. but there is a chronic problem with dogma andvilification of dissenters etcGodlesscat: no one is being blacklisted Notung: we can't move on from thatEuphony: Vacula seems as popular as ever, unless I'm mistakenCommanderTuvok: Vacula is a good guy, badly treated by Lousy Canuck JasonPA: so does Sam Harris, but as an atheist he's still limited access to thingsGodlesscat: I have never been sexually harassed in the atheist community at eventsGodlesscat: I have been sexually harassed A LOT from other business eventsJasonPA: the other thing was they were calling things sexist that were gross exagerations, but if anybodychallenges that they look like sexistsJasonPA: it's bsEuphony: I would imagine it's somewhat better at atheist events, though I've never been to oneJasonPA: define sexual harassment and sexistGodlesscat: someone grabbing meGodlesscat: someone showing sexual interest and me asking them to stopJasonPA: i hate that so much of this is nuance and difficult to actually discussEuphony: Is it possible that some atheist men are defensive about this issue?Godlesscat: they do not, 3 strike they are out I report themEuphony: But atheist women could have prejudices as wellEuphony: I tend to trust people's experiences and believe them when they say they feel unsafe, but I wantto know whyGodlesscat: everyone is human firstGodlesscat: that may be how they feel but I would have reported it to the hotelEuphony: I think people should report things.Euphony: Sometimes their concerns might not be taken seriouslyEuphony: maybe they don't feel safe enough to report itEuphony: because they wouldn't be taken seriously Notung: that's unfair - as karla said, she's been making substantial and useful pointsGodlesscat: I have never been at an establishment that did not pay attetion to my concernsGodlesscat: NEVER Godlesscat: I could use them if they ignore someone reportingEuphony: I've never been to an event. It could be a possibility at some, but I don't know from experienceGodlesscat: errr sue not useEuphony: I'm going to sign off for tonight. Lots to think about. Hope we can all get along.
 Notung: nice speaking to you euphonyGodlesscat: Paul is talking nextmasakari2012: it's an illusion of safety Notung: i don't have a problem with policies Notung: CFI had a good one - i'd go with that one if i had to choose oneGodlesscat: I think the SF that Greta posted was better  Notung: also, it's commonly forgotten that TAM had one last timeGodlesscat: You do need to act depending on the situationJasonPA: i actually think the code of conduct is a good idea as at least a last resort. It probably shouldn't be made a big deal and posted all over every mention of the events.JasonPA: it should be background Notung: i agreeGodlesscat: The venue is responsibleGodlesscat: it's egoJusticar: Who is on Skype?Godlesscat: yes it is Notung: soon events will have to be called The Amazing Meeting in Which Nobody Harasses AnyoneJasonPA: NO TOUCHING!! like Arrested DevelopmentJusticar: Who is it who has called in on Skype? I was on the phone and didn't hear . . .Godlesscat: Paul is nextJavana: I can't hear the callers either JasonPA: yeah it's hardCommanderTuvok: Volume is a bit low on the callers, but I can just make them out Notung: justicar - that was ellenbeth wachs Notung: now is paul loebeJusticar: Ahh. Thank you, Notung.Godlesscat: better :) jason_nepafts: is the caller audio better?Javana: oh that's much better  jason_nepafts: great!killnine: HelloooJasonPA: another issue related to what he's saying, is why does our ommunity attract so many folks who behave like that in the first place?Godlesscat: I don't I block Godlesscat: as they are saying.. .people also forget there are real people on the other sideJasonPA: when there's too much of that, it turns away more...mature people Notung: hehe Notung: mentionedJusticar: How does one get to call in on skype? send them an invite? Notung: yeah add them as a friend i think JasonPA: add themGodlesscat: yesJusticar: ok JasonPA: haJasonPA: my local newspaper's comments are sickeningGodlesscat: this should be discussed at the events Notung: this radio thing is far more productive than blogwarsJusticar: It's interesting he says it's anonymity despite the number of people who aren't anonymous. jason_nepafts: *** Send us an invite at "nepafreethought"
 jason_nepafts: I'll accept you and then you can callJasonPA: True, Justicar Justicar: It's just confirmation bias.Godlesscat: emotionalJasonPA: i don't see Paul Krugman getting into blogwars in the comments section of his blog withGeorge WillJasonPA: or at Will'sGodlesscat: Who is Paul Krugman? Notung: yeah blogs can be good - but face to face usually ups the standard and politenessJasonPA: nobel prize winning economist writes for NYTGodlesscat: ahhhJasonPA: i just meant you rarely see mainstream, successful writers getting involved in drama like thisJusticar: Leave my stream alone, sir!JasonPA: did margaret downy call in?Godlesscat: right jason_nepafts: can everyone hear the caller okay? Notung: just aboutCommanderTuvok: a bit low, againJasonPA: justin is like 3x louder than her  NukleoN: Little quietJasonPA: creating drama when everybody else isn't as outraged as you are and as you WANT them to be NukleoN: Hey, nobody asked anyone to shove porcupines up orifices yet! What strange land is this? Notung: hehe NukleoN: You can know based on your own past-performance in emergenciesGodlesscat: LOL NukleoN: That Sagan poster is awesome.JasonPA: my house is on fire right now, i think i'm handling it pretty rationally Notung: i've had a porcupine before on pharyngula NukleoN: Permission to hug, LOL!Godlesscat: It is clear when I meet someone who is not a hugger  NukleoN: Yes, you may approach. Hug initiated. Enjoyment factor=orange alert. Wut? Notung: "please may I hug you" sort of ruins the moment NukleoN: ^agreedJusticar: In what sense is there a hierarchy? NukleoN: Most of us aren't Aspies tho Notung: my housemate is a D&D woman NukleoN: You men are driving all the women out of D&D conferences! *jk* NukleoN: Roll for saving throws. Gnoll takes initiative. D20.JasonPA: socially inexperienced males bumbling their cummincation with socially inexperienced females(who may not be practiced with receiveing a lot of attention) NukleoN: Yerp. Big Bang Theory. Amy Fara-Fowler  NukleoN: Sheldon Cooper  NukleoN: AWESOME is how we look.JasonPA: not me, jasonJusticar: WHOAJusticar: remove the guy? for not doing anything wrong?JasonPA: upskirt camera shots isn't wrong?Javana: I agree is about individuals, not men or women NukleoN: alleged upskirter, but was he really taking upskirt shots?

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