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What Were The Five Most Liberty Destroying Actions?

My picks are the following.

1. Marbury v. Madison. The Federal Government determines if a Federal action is Constitutional. So, the Federal Government polices the Federal Government. Great idea -- for the Federal Government.

2. The Civil War and its aftermath. This is based on the premise that the war was not about slavery. The Civil War witnessed the destruction of states' rights, the suspension of habeus corpus and freedom of the press, the use of involuntary servitude through the draft, the murder of 50,000 Southern civilians by the Federal army, and military occupation and marial law during Reconstruction. Much more could be said about this.

3. The Federal Reserve Act of 1913. This is right out of Marx's Communist Manifesto. This private bank destroys wealth via inflation, creates debt, and finances wars of aggression.

4. The U.S. joined the United Nations in 1945. This misguided action continues to erode our sovereignty and involve us in endless wars and entangling alliances.

5. 9/11. This has led to an ever-increasing police state and continuous, undeclared, unconstitutional wars.

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Public Debt

That was very well thought out. Thanks.

Edgar Morgan

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The case against the most hazardous oxymoron ever invented :

Well, I've made the case against the most hazardous oxymoron ever invented, IMO :


For liberty.




Criminal Power

I read:

"The nail was hammered on July 9, 1868:"










Bait and switch is an old routine.








Look here:


What do you think this is:


And this:








Given how many worthy suggestions have been made
here and the (depressingly many) significant anti-liberty events/actions
that posters have come up with, it occurred to me that presenting them
in a graphic timeline would be a useful way to display them in an accessible manner.

Anyone here ambitious and computer literate enough to attempt something like that?

The Constitution And The Federal Leviathan It Created is #1

The Constitution and the Federal leviathan it created was obviously the biggest mistake to those who truly understand how liberty and freedom work. The Constitution was the greatest centralization of power in our nation's history.

It's also helpful to understand what brought about the Constitutional convention and who financed it. The banksters were already well on their way to establishing total control of the new world, but centralized currency control was the holy grail. So, like bankers are known to do, they set out on a long term plan. First they created currency crises in many of the states. Then, through the media, they told the people centralized gov control was the answer. The people bought it up and next thing you know the banksters are financing a constitutional convention.

This left them one step away from instituting their national bank and ultimately the Federal Reserve system we have today for total control. In a way, we never stopped being a colony of England if you consider the banksters the real gov.


~ Ron Paul, End the Fed

The Banksters

Thanks for the very interesting information. Can it be verified that banksters financed the Constitutional Convention? Do you think that the Banksters are part of a larger, but still small group, of elitists and secret societies?

Edgar Morgan

I think you could go as far

I think you could go as far back as James Madison being a stooge for the English bankers. I guess there's no specific event there, but he was a virus that never really went away.

The true ignorance of the people showed when...

the current clown; bent on destroying America, got voted in twice...



The Current Clown

Yes, that's incredible, providing that voting fraud wasn't the real reason.

Edgar Morgan

Electing George H W Bush, (twice)

Electing George W Bush.(doubtful)
Allowing Donald Rumsfeld power
Allowing Dick Cheney power.
Electing Barry.(twice)

Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Barry

Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Barry give new meaning to the four horsemen of the Apocalypse!

Edgar Morgan

There is but two mistakes in the original constitution ...



This required amendments to correct (12,13, 15, & 19).

These amendments were further flawed and that is why we are where we are today.


On May 12, 1942, President Roosevelt signed an order creating a secret project to develop the atomic bomb. This project was known as the Manhattan Project. Rather than argue the point of whether or not the atomic bombs dropped on Japan prevented a multitude of deaths (I disagree with the premise as justification), let’s examine the results of our actions. What the history books conveniently leave out is that the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were used to justify the cost of the Manhattan Project and as a first shot warning to the Soviet Union; the goal was to create a sense that national power can properly depend on the threat of mass destruction. In other words the loss of hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese lives was excusable in view of the strategic advantage such mass destruction broadcast to the world via all its mayhem, death and destruction. We used nukes as both a source of world destruction and as a source of world power. Rather than admit that what we did was criminal, or at the very least self-servingly opportunistic via an egregiously misguided policy, we set the bar for other countries to unleash their own means of destruction so as to enhance their own strategic diplomatic power; we have been playing high stakes ‘chicken’ at the behest of the MIC and war mongers ever since. Albert Einstein wrote to his friend Linus Pauling, “I made one great mistake in my life when I signed the letter to President Roosevelt recommending that atom bombs be made…” The letter is believed to be "arguably the key stimulus for the U.S. adoption of serious investigations into nuclear weapons on the eve of the U.S. entry into World War II". (wikipedia)

Now six underground radioactive nuclear waste tanks at Hanford, Washington (the nation’s most contaminated nuclear site) are leaking radioactive waste (56 million gallons of sludge is encased in 177 storage tanks). This site (one of two) was created in the 1940’s as part of the Manhattan Project. The cleanup cost is estimated to be $100 billion over forty years. To say this is “toxic” speaks more ways than one to the legacy we leave to future generations.

Hiroshima: A Mistake and A Crime - Common Dreams
www.commondreams.org/views02/0806-01.htm -

Nuclear Waste Leaks In Hanford Washington | The Manhattan Project



Edgar Morgan

The Bomb

Thanks for the info and links. The Manhattan Project sure did change everything in many ways.

Edgar Morgan

Another bad one is Wickard v.

Another bad one is Wickard v. Filburn, giving congress power to regulate not only interstate commerce, but intrastate commerce as well. The Marijuana Tax Act could not be passed without this.

Wickard v.

I wasn't aware of that unconstitutional case. That's a big one. Thanks.

Edgar Morgan

The grand experiment that failed because it thwarted liberty.

The failures of Congress over 220 years are legion. Their support for liberty and justice can be counted on one hand.

What is the lesson? Never give Congress the authority to borrow and loot the people to pay Congressional bills.

Free includes debt-free!

One very few talk about but catastrophic to State Sovereignty

The passage of the 17th amendment which allowed the people to vote for all representatives instead of Senators being appointed by the State Legislatures. States no longer could recall Senators who went rogue against the states wishes.1913 was probably the worst year in the history of this country and the year freedom died.The Federal Reserve Act, the 16th and 17th amendment were all enacted in 1913. There is very good evidence that the 16th and 17th amendment were never properly ratified but enacted as law anyway.


I would have McCulloch v. Maryland on the list. It did away with the notion that the federal government's powers are enumerated in the constitution. After McCulloch, Congressional powers became whatever Congress deemed appropriate for carrying out the enumerated powers. Pretty radical.

Congress violated the X Amendment by claiming unauthorized power

McCulloch v. Maryland

Tenth Amendment

The fist part of the case describes how congressional authority was established by long debate. Voila a new delegated power is born.

Maryland was not prohibited the power, so Maryland was well within its rights. The Supreme Court should overthrow this faulty and illogical decision.

The Supreme Court ruled in favor of the foreign debtors and their agents at the Second Bank of the US and against the Constitution and State's Rights.

So Andrew Jackson paid off the foreign debts of the US in 1835. Problem was solved for 26 years.

However, the Northern States were burdened with foreign debt. Dickens mentions the State bonds poor quality in A Christmas Carol.

So Congress created a National Bank to finance the looting of the South once the Southern States seceded. Congress never fails to fail when it comes to spending other people's money.

This Case was argued by Webster who got an annual stipend of $1000 (50ozAu)from Nicolas Biddle's Bank.

Free includes debt-free!


I had forgotten completely about that. That was back in 1819, I think. That was bad. Thanks.

Edgar Morgan

Don't forget Social Security.

It started out harmless and is now a blatant wealth transfer where many get back much less than if they would have saved themselves. The more educated, skilled, and hard working you are the more you lose.


~Ludwig von Mises

Social Security

How true! It did seem to be harmless at first, like the thieving income tax. Thanks.

Edgar Morgan

You know what this list says to me?...

It tells me liberty is a damn hardy flower. If it was frail, it would have certainly been eradicated by now, and we wouldn't all be here discussing it.

Well said!

Yes, we'll said!


We all needed to hear that!

Edgar Morgan

I'd have to put

Bombing people to death right up there on top.

You left out the final knell in the coffin.

The individual mandate is the most blatant death knell of freedom in this country.

The civil war.
The Federal Reserve Act.
The New Deal.
Civil Rights Act.
War on Drugs.
War on Terror.
Obamacare Individual Mandate.

Game over. Call in the grave diggers.