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RE[4]: Comment by gan17
by mkone on Tue 9th Oct 2012 01:31 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by gan17"
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Still missing the point. Ritchie decided to live a life of obscurity, and therefore he is unknown. Steve Jobs was very well known, and he did cultivate a very specific public persona.

Yes, Steve Jobs was a hard task master, but one thing is obvious. No one who worked with him really said much bad about him. Not even Jon Rubinstein, or Tony Faddell.

Yes, he had a reputation for being a hard taskmaster, but Apple wasn't losing people. He wasn't a pushover, and he didn't employ pushovers either. He may have lacked social skills, but nowadays, we call that being a geek.

And comparing Steve Jobs to bankers is absurd. How many of those bankers founded their own banks, let alone two or three? How many didn't actually care for money like Steve Jobs? How many actually put their own wealth at risk as Steve Jobs did at least twice. Steve Jobs had the courage of his convictions, and wanted to shape the world in the way he saw fit. He did so, people loved his products, and he became extremely wealthy.

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RE[5]: Comment by gan17
by TM99 on Tue 9th Oct 2012 09:30 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by gan17"
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So only those who seek the limelight are worthy of 'fame'? As Ritchie didn't do so he is not worthy. But because Jobs was charismatic and worked it his adult life, he therefore is? Yeah, who is missing the point?

He didn't just have a reputation as being a hard taskmaster, he was an abusive boss, an asshole, a theif, a liar, and a borderline sociopath. A simple search bears out that truth from former employees op-eds when he died to Walter Issacson's biography. Jobs never put his own wealth at risk as at his death his personal wealth was predominantly in Disney who bought Pixar. For someone who 'didn't care about money', why did he lie to his friend Woz about the money Atari offered so that in the end, after Woz did the work, he got several hundred dollars and Steve kept several thousand dollars?

He is exactly like the sociopaths in the banking world. They did the same sorts of things - lied, cheated, manipulated, etc. They and their companies destroyed their industry. This is about the men not the particular 'industry' they are in, but hey you knew that didn't you?

Jobs didn't have the courage of his convictions. What a load of BS. He used people. He took ideas from others. He pushed people abusively. He had his vision and damn anyone who didn't agree with that vision. And Apple is the same. We don't want Google Maps so therefore you as our customer don't want it either even if we give you an inferior product.

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