The humanists have found themselves in a bit of a pickle. After years of baying for Geert Wilders' blood, now that he's actually on trial for trumped up charges that he "fomented hate and discrimination" against muslims and islam, they really don't know what to do. They can't condemn the trial - that would look extremely hypocritical given their vitriol to date. They essentially already branded, tried, convicted and executed him as a hate criminal. Nor can they gleefully celebrate - it would take an awful lot of 'splaining in light of the never ending humanist manifestos and declarations. No, they do what they always do in these awkward situations - walk the expedient path of least resistance and stay silent. Like someone who's dropped a quiet fart in a crowded elevator, no sense in speaking up and drawing attention to yourself. Just walk away whistling like nothing happened.

Not so before the trial when he was fair game and the political punching bag for anyone left of centre, especially those whose other favourite pastimes are putting the boot into Israel and group hugs. Fitna, of course, was a popular target of the venom -

"Having watched Fitna when it was first excreted onto the internet, I find its sweeping generalisations is to the nature of Islam, and by extention Muslims, repulsive and of no intellectual value whatsoever. It's a piece of irresponsible propaganda produced by a right-wing, anti-immigration politician, purposefully designed to manufacture the kind of controversy on which that politician, and indeed his brand of politics in general, thrives." -- blog.newhumanist.org.uk, 11 February 2009

As was what a jolly good idea it is to restrict a person's right to travel on the basis of their opinions -

"February 2009, British Government did the right thing. They did not allow Geert Wilders to come on British soil in order to spread his venomous ideas under the umbrella of the anti-European UKIP party.

"Blocking an elected representative from a befriended country is indeed exceptional. But in my view, British Government set an example of integrity, ashaming Dutch Parliament, that allows a no-membership "party" to agitate on racial issues. Most parties in Holland, exception made for the left liberal D66 group as well as for the "Green-Left", are stuck like rabbits in the headlights of a Mercedes, not knowing what to do about this utterly un-Dutch Wilders movement." -- At Home in Europe, October 14, 2009

These are the more coherent of the sentiments expressed, though they are pretty much representative. To see how the new humanists really feel, just dive into the comments sections of YouTube. I won't defile our pages with any. Beyond all this then there's the surreal fringes of the Wilders' bashing - harping about his jewishness and implying he bleaches his hair out of shame at the alleged taint of non-white Indonesian ancestry [bad google translation]. There doesn't seem to be a limit to the shamelessness.

Contrast this with the here and now with the Wilders' trial in full swing -


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The silence is deafening. Google is a vacuum. I am happy to say though that this void is not replicated by the atheist blog world. The discussion is lively and generally disturbed at what is going down. Seems the godless can actually make the distinction that expressing disgust at this kangaroo court that is effectively steamrolling the rights and freedoms we hold dear and being a card carrying Wilders groupie are not necessarily the same thing. Of course there is some leakage, these thoughts have been aired at a|n over the last year -

"He also goes under the banner of "freedom of speech", but like any scum to protect himself and not others... It does frighten me that there are many Atheists, especially those who like Pat Condell who have photos of Geert Wilders and make him look like some freedom fighter."

"But note at the outset Wilders is described as "conservative Dutch politician and provocateur". Wouldn't this set off some alarm bell to anyone not in a coma?"

"Geert Wilders is a piece of shit and I think Bill Maher and Pat Condell should be ashamed of themselves for defending this idiot."

"People who don't live in The Netherlands seem to have so much sympathy for Wilders having no clue that he's only an extremist and a piece of shit. You see Pat Condell and Sam Harris defending him and not criticizing him for the shit he really is. Bill Maher being very naive and dumb interviewed Wilders in his Religilous and rather than treating Wilders with ridicule as he does with others in the film he seems to be nice to him."

"Harris is completely unaware about the European Muslims and the fact that Wilders is only right wing trash."

It should be noted that the folks that made those statements also babble about Israeli genocide in Gaza. The rest of a|n, thankfully, can see past dogmatic ideologies and are expressing concern at what is essentially political show trial and betrayal of liberal democratic principles and beliefs.

The humanist silence is not restricted merely to the trial either. The Netherlands in many ways is a poster child for all of this. They have already had two instances of Dutch citizens being murdered for expressing incorrect opinions - Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh. Though "murder" skirts the issues for what were political assassination as terrorism. Swept under the humanist rug as stuff better not thought about. Inconveniences that are better off forgotten. Nor does anyone need to know about trivia like Wilders being hung in effigy [google translate]. That's genuine free speech. Humanists defend free speech. As long as it's within party lines and not racist, or fascist, or islamophobic. Besides, it was an "art" project, probably by secular humanist students.

Looking over all of this and I am left with a sense of confusion. "Hate" is such a strong word to bandy about, and there is misdirection at who the actual haters are. The rhetoric is heated and passionate. The terms "hate", "fascist", "far right", "intolerant" and the Runnymede Trust's gift to muslims and humanists everywhere, "islamophobia" are thrown about with liberal abandon and an unmistakable twist of malice. Far too few commentators point out that "far right" in the European context is way wide of the mark -

"The European far-Right has certain characteristics – as well as being obsessed with race, it is anti-big business, pro-state intervention, pro-worker’s rights but anti-Communist, nostalgic about the countryside and often sentimental about animals, politically paranoid and prone to conspiracy theories, anti-gay, anti-American and, most of all, anti-Semitic Zionist (just as it used to be against “cosmopolitans” and “foreign intellectuals”)." -- infidelsunite.typepad.com

It is a rule of thumb that those that squeal "fascist" and "far right" the loudest have zero experience with either. All these terms being hurled at Wilders are semantically being used much in the same way that "faggot", "nigger", "communist" or "witch" have been used in the past. As terms of derision and contempt. And - hatred. Wilders is a pussy and on the spectrum of far right and fascist politics, he isn't even on the scale. But that doesn't matter. Reality is not the objective here - emotional response is. The real "hating" is amongst Wilders' detractors.

Wilders' alleged hate speech when compared to even moderate muslim statements we hear daily are trivial and innocous. The humanists have taken it upon themselves to create a monster out of a person that is voicing an opinion about very unpleasant realities that are impacting in very real ways our ideals of liberal democracy. In doing so, they have set the stage for a real life prosecution of a "thought crime" which may have untold ramifications for the entire western world. They are sending a clear signal that we will use our own laws to hold ourselves hostage to islamic whim. This is a betrayal of horrific proportions.

It is interesting to read an extract from an interview with Afshin Ellian regarding his involvement in the Wilders trial -

You said the Wilders Trial reminds you of justice in your country of origin, Iran. Is that not somewhat exaggerated?

“The Netherlands, of course, is not comparable with Iran, but it’s about perception. If you cannot say that Islam is a backward religion and that Mohammed is a criminal, then you are living in an Islamic country, my friend, because there also you cannot say such things. Here I’m free to say that Christ was a faggot* and Mary was a whore, but apparently I should stay off of Mohammed.”

Why has it all come to this ? Why has Wilder become the meat in the sandwich of all this ? The reason Wilders' gets so much press and so much attention is really stunningly simple. It is the systemic failure by those that choose to proclaim they are the guardians of our freedoms, such as humanists, to address and take ownership of the problem of islamism, islamisation and radicalisation. For the sake of tolerance, cultural sensitivity and accomodationism to a culture that will show no such consideration in return, they are prepared to sacrifice our hard won freedoms and liberties, and are prepared to jail those that may have a problem with all this.

If humanism is the spearhead of world secularism, then we are doomed to failure. I certainly do not want to be represented by it. Nor do I know anybody that I respect that would want to be represented by it. Should it represent atheism ? Sounds like a subject for another undead thread.Humanism as it stands now is completely divorced from the freethinkers that founded the movement and is little more than western self-hatred. "Tolerance" and "respect" are noble ideals - but they are not ones to be given freely. They need to be earned. And they should not be simply handed out gratis to cultures that in return demand the right to spit at our own.

Perhaps the final word should be left to an entity with Federal Bureau of Prisons register number 04475–046 in ADX Florence who sums up the humanist status quo ever so succinctly -



[There are no name capitalisation errors in this article. Capitals are reserved for terms worthy of respect]


“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last” -- Winston Churchill

Delia Ives and Matt Ditloff already posted this video, but it bears repeat viewing. Matt also collated the links below it.

Europe's cultural inquisition begins.

Wilders on trial

Geert Wilders' statement in court

Wilders pulls no punches

Wilders on trial for telling the truth

Wilders is not "far right"

Homophobic attacks on the rise in Amsterdam

"While Europe sneered" by Bruce Bawer

Read my interview with Dutch news magazine AD Weekend



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This is serious cause for alarm. The silence is deafening. It's time to throw being "politically correct" out of the window and face the truth. This could set a horrific precedent...

Freedom of speech must include the ability to criticize religion, even if it is in a loud and aggressive tone.
The Dutch have a particular history of appeasist and apologist policies and rhetoric; Wilder isn't the first, nor is he likely to be the last.

Theo Van Gogh. His great-grandfather was art dealer Theo van Gogh, ...

He coined a term, (geitenneuker), which I find particularly entertaining; according to some of his commentary, although I have no proof, the Q'uran condones beastiality. It also works in German, geissennutzer. Assassinated by Muslims in 2004.

Pim Fortuyn was assassinated by a Dutchman, in 2002, who was, among other things, a Muslim sympathiser and apologist.
...according to some of his commentary, although I have no proof, the Q'uran condones beastiality.

From what I understand, it's not that the Qur'an condones bestiality, but that it does not condemn it; there are no passages relating to the issue. Therefore, the argument goes, bestiality is condoned because of an absence of condemnation.
Not particularly a sound argument, but then, politics has always been the antithesis of "sound".

Thank you for the information.
Welcome to the Caliphate, where submission is achieved not by armies, but by the acquiescence of so-called liberal democracies under the guise of respect and tolerance. But respect and tolerance can not be driven by the guilt felt over the colonialism of centuries past, nor can it be sustained by the fear of Islamist reprisal.

I disagree that respect and tolerance are not to be gratis, but that does not mean that it can not be withdrawn once given. It is the refusal to withdraw respect and to refuse to tolerate, whatever the cost, that condemns the modern humanism. Humanist acquiescence to Islamists and their betrayal of the Enlightenment is a cancer that must be excised before it kills the body of liberalism.
This man, with his careful disseminations, articulations and studied speech, is an offender?

To even have him in a court, represents the certainty that liberalis no longer exists, even in theory, in the Netherlands.

But then, looking at their form of government, a parliamentary democratic constitutional monarchy, it is no wonder the fuckwits haven't the sense to discern that free speech, especially in defense of its own people and their culture, is a center most pillar of a free society.

For the benefit of the Dutch people, the case should be dismissed as so much mindless balderdash, and any of those agents of the courts that put this through; should rightfully be executed with malice and intent.
To even have him in a court, represents the certainty that liberals no longer exists, even in theory, in the Netherlands.

Right, because a trial in the Netherlands can only happen if the whole of the country agrees that it should happen.

We've been doing this for years now, and although it's a bit tricky nowadays with 16,5 million people we seem to make it work for all of the 1.834.540 trials in the Netherlands.
As a matter of point with regards to a "free" society, yes.

Free men create the greatest influence over the veracity or falseness of the laws. If free men are apathetic or corrupt, the laws reflect such.

This is just such a case; free men should light the streets on fire until this sham is stopped. Else, they show themselves to be cowards, mindless herd animals, complacent in their apathy or worse, all.
...submission is achieved not by armies, but by the acquiescence of so-called liberal democracies under the guise of respect and tolerance...

...Humanist acquiescence to Islamists and their betrayal of the Enlightenment is a cancer that must be excised before it kills the body of liberalism...

This is truly insidious and the gravest threat to freedom.
I want to apologize for spelling your name incorrectly, Stephen. It bothers me when others do that with my own name. One's name is very important. I'm sorry.
No worries.

Just don't do it again: God will punish you if you do.


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