IRC log for #koha, 2015-10-29

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07:52 reiveune hello
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08:02 alex_a bonjour
08:03 Joubu hi
08:03 wahanui privet, Joubu
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08:26 Joubu @later tell tcohen yes Search.t is broken but the last 3 patches on 14100 fix it
08:26 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
08:27 Joubu @later tell tcohen they fix all master failures actually :) (except the guided report ones)
08:27 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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08:41 drojf morning #koha
08:42 cait morning drojf
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08:42 gaetan_B hello
08:43 * magnuse waves from the public library in Bodø
08:43 cait morning magnuse :)
08:43 cait enjoying the view?
08:44 drojf hi cait, magnuse and gaetan_B
09:00 magnuse cait: oh yes
09:00 magnuse lots of small fishing boats just outside the window, snow capped mountains, not a cloud i sight...
09:02 liw we need a way to communicate that kind of thing without having to resort to describing it in words, so the receivers get a clearer, more accurate impression of the reality
09:03 magnuse hm, got any suggestions on how to accomplish that?
09:04 liw I'm thinking some kind of tiny colourful spots arranged in a matrix, with colours carefully chosen so their arrangement mimics the reality, but finding someone to choose the invidial colours doesn't seem likely: you'd need dozens, maybe hundreds of them
09:05 magnuse yeah, sounds very impractical
09:06 liw I thus conclude that I need to visit more places in person
09:07 magnuse oh please do! :-)
09:07 cait hm i want to hide the availabiltity line in opac results if all it says is 'no items available"
09:08 cait to not confuse students about electronic resources and other things
09:08 cait but... i don't manage to :
09:08 cait :(
09:09 magnuse liw: oh wait, something like this perhaps?
09:09 magnuse
09:10 liw magnuse, well played :)
09:11 magnuse liw: btw: i bought linux voice in an airport recently, and lo and behold, on one of the first pages was an old pic of linus, credited to one lars wirzenius :-)
09:15 liw magnuse, magnuse does it contain a beer bottle?
09:17 liw magnuse,[…]lds-in-pictures/1 -- like that?
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09:19 mveron Hi #koha
09:19 liw (there're I think three pictures from that time circulating the Internet, sometimes attributed to me, but that attribution is wrong -- I only uploaded them to an ftp site, with the photographer's permission)
09:21 magnuse liw: yup that's the one :-)
09:21 mveron Joubu asked for a second sign-off for Bug 14954 , I would really appreciat if anybody could take care of it.
09:21 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14954 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Remove C4::Dates from holiday related files in folder tools
09:21 magnuse liw: ah, tricksy!
09:21 * mveron is running out of time - and has to run.
09:22 magnuse run mveron run
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09:47 magnuse kia ora atheia
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10:06 putti Is C4/ considered bad design? If it is, are there any good example(s) which I may take a look at about how it's implemented in OO way?
10:09 magnuse putti: the code you should be looking at is in the Koha:: namespace
10:09 magnuse C4 is what we are trying to get away from
10:12 putti magnuse, yeah. I'm just not sure if the Koha::object implementation is enough abstraction. Have people done usually some other modules for adding/rmving/updating/etc. objects, for example, Koha::Item? Or is Koha::Item (&Items) the only way to manipulate items?
10:13 putti I mean that do we call, for example, Koha::Item->new() everywhere and not some wrapper which then calls it.
10:14 Joubu putti: did you check the bugs I gave you yesterday?
10:15 putti Joubu, which bugs? I guess not.
10:16 putti Joubu, last bug I rember you messaged me was about also refactoring issuing rules, do you mean that?
10:18 putti Bug 8369
10:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8369 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, ASSIGNED , default_branch_circ_rule and default_circ_rules tables useless
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10:19 * Joubu always pastes the them bug numbers...
10:19 Joubu putti: 14889, 14836, 13828, 10363 (pushed), 14888 (pushed)
10:21 putti Joubu, haven't checked out these
10:22 putti Joubu, ok, now I see how I should do it :)
10:22 putti Thanks!
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10:31 magnuse Joubu++
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10:39 putti Joubu++
10:41 putti Koha::Object is really good! We need to change all the code to use it because it so easy to use and maintain! :P
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10:58 pastebot "ashimema" at pasted "wrapped delete" (16 lines) at
10:58 ashimema oops..
10:59 ashimema Joubu that paste was meant to be for you.. I'd do somthing like that in the result class
10:59 cait Joubu++ for doing a lot in that area and in general :)
11:00 ashimema Joubu++ #for being generally awesome
11:00 Joubu ashimema: we have a problem with transactions: we used them for tests.
11:00 Joubu DBI didn't support encapsulated txn
11:00 Joubu maybe Dbix::class does, but not sure about that
11:00 * cait agrees :)
11:00 ashimema data integrity++
11:01 ashimema hmm.
11:01 ashimema I'm reasonably confident you can nest transactions in dbic
11:01 ashimema[…].pod#TRANSACTIONS
11:01 ashimema unless I'm mistaken..
11:02 ashimema but.. I believe you probably have to call the top level transaction using the dbic schema.. not a plain dbi handle..
11:02 ashimema else I don't think dbic can step in and be clever..
11:02 ashimema but I might be wrong.. never tested it
11:03 Joubu ashimema: and do you know how could I set a default value for search?
11:03 Joubu for instance archived = 0 if archived is not given to the search method
11:04 pastebot "ashimema" at pasted "wrapped delete" (16 lines) at
11:05 ashimema the dbic guys just pointed out that the txn_do needs a sub ;)
11:05 ashimema can do a similar overload I believe
11:05 * cait loves to see devs talking on irc about dev things... :)
11:05 ashimema so will paste
11:06 Joubu That's what I am doing, but there are several ways to call search
11:06 Joubu so it's hard to know if an attr is passed or not
11:06 ashimema
11:07 ashimema oh.. really
11:07 ashimema I haven't actually tried it yet
11:07 ashimema but that where I would have started :(
11:08 cait oh if someone has a nice bootstrap opac to share - i am lookig for examples:)
11:10 putti how can I use koha::objects to go trough all the objects (not limited by any search)?
11:11 ashimema cait:
11:12 ashimema putti.. just call search without any params
11:12 putti alright :)
11:12 ashimema so ->search();
11:12 putti thanks
11:12 ashimema at least I believe that's somehing we've done transparently via koha::objects
11:13 ashimema that's how you would in dbic ;)
11:13 ashimema in fact.. In dbic I'm not even sure you actually ened to call search.. resultset('Whatever')->next should also do the trick I think
11:14 ashimema cait: those guys are pretty arty.. being an arts university
11:14 putti Let's see
11:14 cait matts: around?
11:14 ashimema putti.. if you know before hand that you actualy want all the results.. add ->all instead of ->next onto the end..
11:15 cait ashimema: did they cheat or is it all in config? :)
11:15 ashimema and call it in array context.. then loop the array of results..
11:15 ashimema it'll save you a shed load of db calls
11:15 ashimema all in config
11:15 cait perfect :)
11:15 ashimema was a nightmare
11:15 cait heh
11:15 cait how are you doing the new items hting?
11:16 ashimema Having said that.. I think at the very end we moved the config opacusercss and opacuserjs into a pair of files on the server...
11:16 cait makes sense
11:16 ashimema that was because they added so much that the db couldn't fit it all into the field..
11:16 cait i think koha supports that - at least for the css file
11:16 ashimema but it is all doable via config ;)
11:16 ashimema it does indeed :)
11:16 cait the cover thing... how? heh
11:17 ashimema does for js too.. just stick a load into the top of opacuserjs and the first thing it will do is retrieve the js file from the server
11:17 cait aah
11:17 cait sneaky
11:17 ashimema the cover thing it khalls plugin
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11:17 cait oh
11:17 cait it's nice
11:17 cait khall++ :)
11:17 ashimema (with one tiny alteration to fetch the covers from a paid for provider they already had a subscription for)
11:18 ashimema new items hinting?
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11:19 cait hm?
11:19 ashimema you asked how were doing new items hinting..
11:19 ashimema I'm not sure what you meant?
11:19 cait ah thing
11:19 cait you answered that - plugin :)
11:19 ashimema :)
11:19 ashimema coolios
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11:27 drojf not sure yet if we could integrate it in the koha-create process
11:28 ashimema now that would be cool
11:29 * ashimema just tried three time to exit postgres.. exit and q are far to quick to my fingers.. q isn't yet :(
11:30 magnuse give it a decade or so...
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11:42 tcohen @wunder cordoba, argentina
11:42 huginn tcohen: The current temperature in Bo Altos de San Martin - NW, Cordoba city, Cordoba City, Argentina is 17.0°C (8:40 AM ART on October 29, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
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11:49 tcohen JOubu: I was sure I pushed them! sorry for that
11:54 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14100: Fix Search.t tests <[…]7e7a96adc1aae47ef> / Bug 14100: Fix t/db_dependent/Items.t <[…]05763b4d50b3d289b> / Bug 14100: Fix test xt/author/valid_templates complaining on <[…].git;a=commitdiff
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12:27 druthb @wunder 77447
12:27 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Waller, TX ProjNevada, Waller, Texas is 14.4°C (7:25 AM CDT on October 29, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
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12:33 tcohen hi
12:35 druthb \o/
12:35 tcohen hey druthb
12:36 druthb Hi, tcohen.  :)
12:38 magnuse \o/
12:41 tcohen \o/
12:41 cait matts_away: oh
12:41 cait now he is away....
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12:53 matts cait, yep ?
12:53 matts and now I'm back :)
12:57 cait hey :)
12:57 cait I got questions about CAS - do you have a moment?
12:57 matts shoot :)
12:57 cait matts ^^
12:57 cait in general - how hard is it to set up with koha?
12:58 matts Hmm.... The koha part is easy to setup. However, in my experience, you *will* experience troubles.
12:59 matts Because the CAS server is often setup by another entity than the koha, if something goes bad, it will be hard to get the CAS server's logs, in order to understand what's happening.
12:59 matts Not to mention inbetween firewalls and such
12:59 cait understandable
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12:59 cait the usual trouble :)
12:59 cait does it work well in Koha currently?
13:00 matts yep, but enabling DEBUG in koha will be very helpful
13:00 cait do yu use it with a lot of institutions currently?
13:01 matts Hmm, I don't know, I would say between 5 and 10 (rough guess)
13:02 cait ah cool, it's the first time we have encountered it :)
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14:01 * Oak waves
14:01 nengard hola Oak
14:05 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14100: (QA followup) add missing mocked sysprefs <[…]239a88ad869af6e2f>
14:14 Oak hola señorita nengard
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14:49 mveron Hi again #koha
14:56 tcohen hi mveon
14:56 tcohen mveron
14:57 mveron hi tcohen :-)
14:58 drojf hi mveron
14:58 mveron hi drojf :-)
14:58 drojf thanks for the fwd, i got it from several people :D
14:59 mveron drojf: Hope it helps  :-)
14:59 drojf it did sound interesting. we'll see
15:05 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 14931: (qa followu-up) small improvements <[…]29eba88c8c584ab70> / Bug 14931: (Follow-up) Validate date entry in contracts <[…]6e2c90228f46eb3ad> / Bug 14931: Remove C4::Dates from files admin/aq*.pl <[…]?p=koha.git;a=com
15:08 misilot matts: does CAS work with the staff side as well? or just the OPAC?
15:09 matts misilot, yes it does :[…]_bug.cgi?id=13507
15:09 huginn Bug 13507: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Pushed to Master , Add intranet support for CAS authentication
15:10 misilot ahh probably a version further then 3.18. Is there an attribute mapping for CAS like LDAP? I looked through the documentation a while ago but didn't remember finding it
15:13 matts Nope, CAS just says if the auth is ok or not, no more, no less.
15:13 misilot ah so it won't pull attributes. Ok
15:14 misilot thanks :(
15:14 misilot thanks :) *
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15:39 drojf tcohen: have you spoken to indexdata people about bug 13665?
15:39 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13665 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from zebra is slow
15:40 tcohen sort of
15:40 tcohen but you can try too :-D
15:41 drojf i did, kind of
15:42 drojf we'll see if anything comes out of it
15:44 tcohen ill try again
15:44 tcohen the facets slowliness is non-sense
15:46 Joubu the easy solution is bug 12478 ;)
15:46 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , Elasticsearch support for Koha
15:47 Joubu ashimema: bug 15084
15:47 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=15084 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move the currency related code to Koha::Acquisition::Currenc[y|ies]
15:49 Joubu You start to rewrite a simple script with 100lines and you finish with 7 patches modifying 30 different files, adding 1 DB column, removing 1 unused file and adding a missing FK...
15:49 Joubu Thanks Koha for that
15:49 drojf heh
15:52 * mveron feels with Joubu
15:53 pianohacker where the heck was that?
15:53 pianohacker (that last fixme)
15:53 Joubu pianohacker: I let you git grep  :)
15:54 Joubu I am not sure how risky it is actually
15:54 pianohacker oh my goodness gracious
15:54 pianohacker admin/ is terrifyin
15:55 Joubu acqui/ you mean
15:55 pianohacker ... yes. I should probably put in my contacts
15:55 pianohacker Still, goodness gravy
16:03 reiveune1 bye
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16:15 * mveron will be back later in the evening
16:16 * Joubu will be back tomorrow
16:16 Joubu bye #koha
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16:37 bag sweet I’m back
16:37 bag muhahahaha
16:38 bag silly permissions can only keep me down for a little bit of time
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17:22 gaetan_B bye
17:25 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11881: QA follow-up - rename class <[…]505ee3b5098651626> / Bug 11881: Small improvements for Items available for reference <[…]7bea9c8bdefdc48a7> / Bug 11881: Small improvements for the availability informations in the search results... <http://git.koha-
17:29 bag ashimema++
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18:18 * cait waves
18:21 * pianohacker waves
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18:43 nengard_mtg is there a way to see what features have been pushed 3.22 so far - like a pre-release notes?
18:43 nengard_mtg I'm working on getting the manual up to date
18:43 pianohacker nengard_mtg: I think there's a 3.22 candidate tag on bugzilla
18:43 pianohacker check bug 11559
18:43 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11559 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Pushed to Master , Professional cataloger's interface
18:44 nengard_mtg piano not sure that search worked
18:45 nengard_mtg[…]s=Pushed%20to%20S
18:45 nengard_mtg table&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERI​FIED&bug_status=CLOSED&bug_status=BLOCKED​&f1=keywords&list_id=144964&o1=equals&que​ry_format=advanced&v1=rel_3_22_candidate
18:45 nengard_mtg well that didn't work
18:46 pianohacker nengard_mtg: ah, yeah. I'd email tcohen
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19:15 rangi yay misinformation about biblionumbers ... and a horrible idea of reusing deleted ones
19:15 rangi i give up
19:22 jcamins rangi: this is a great idea!
19:22 * cait disagrees about giving up being a great idea
19:23 jcamins We can single-handedly DESTROY ALL REFERENTIAL INTEGRITY!
19:23 * jcamins is morally opposed to referential integrity.
19:23 cait i answered too.. now let's see how it can get worse :)
19:23 cait you like the chaos eh?
19:26 cait hmmm
19:26 cait maybe ... if the zebra index still had the deleted record - then they would match... and the overlay could..
19:27 * cait doesn't want to try and find out
19:27 rangi yeah it would happen by accident
19:27 rangi not by design
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19:34 mveron Hi again #koha
19:34 mveron @wunder Allschwil
19:34 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Grenchen, Switzerland is 10.0°C (8:20 PM CET on October 29, 2015). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
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20:17 cait still looking for nice customized bootstrap opacs... :)
20:18 nengard cait i have a list
20:18 cait oh awesome!
20:18 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, cait
20:18 cait nengard++
20:18 nengard :)
20:18 nengard I use them in demos
20:19 nengard of course they're all ours ... but still nice
20:19 cait thx a lot :)
20:19 nengard I like the last 3 best
20:19 cait we have changed the colors on ours.. .but they are still a bit plain :)
20:20 cait yep they are pretty!
20:21 cait thx a lot :)
20:21 wizzyrea is a nice public one
20:21 wizzyrea as well
20:21 Francesca its pink!
20:21 wizzyrea that's their corporate style ^.^
20:21 Francesca ohh the second one is pretty though
20:21 cait are you saying pink was not pretty?
20:22 Francesca no
20:22 cait ;)
20:23 wizzyrea
20:23 wnickc I got vetoed every time I tried to add pink into our system
20:23 wizzyrea please note they did those logos at the bottom themselves ha
20:24 wizzyrea
20:24 wahanui somebody said was runnign it now
20:24 wizzyrea ^ cait
20:24 wizzyrea forget
20:24 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot
20:25 wizzyrea
20:26 cait wizzyrea: hehe
20:26 cait wizzyrea: i think not bootstrap yet?
20:26 wizzyrea possibly not the last two
20:26 wizzyrea but all of the other ones I sent are.
20:26 cait great picture
20:27 wizzyrea we have so many others that are simply gorgeous, but they aren't public.
20:27 * cait feels a bit like she is cheating with her homework
20:27 Francesca lol
20:27 rangi bootstrap
20:28 wizzyrea yeah that's one they did themselves, a nice example
20:28 rangi <-- bootstrap
20:28 cait i like the greens
20:28 cait thx all!
20:29 Francesca that last one is really nice
20:30 cait waitaki is cool
20:30 Francesca I like all of them
20:31 cait i like that with koha there is lots if individuality
20:31 cait compared to other systems - they all look so different :)
20:32 pianohacker oh fleebus I just saw the email about reusing deleted biblionumbers
20:32 pianohacker does koha seriously use what's already in the 999 on import?
20:33 cait i don't hope so
20:33 cait my guess was that it happened when the record was still in zebra index..
20:34 cait or i hope...
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20:37 cait hmwhat do we do with pull requests on github?
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20:38 pianohacker tell them to file a bug :)
20:41 cait hm tried to
20:45 wizzyrea I sometimes wish that we could come up with a workflow that used pull requests
20:45 wizzyrea but hate the idea that someone would have to watch both queues.
20:45 cait maybe we shoud put some information somewhereon github...
20:46 cait but i have no idea how and where
20:46 pianohacker we could put it on the github repo description (it shows up at the top)
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21:03 rangi Francesca: if you go to
21:03 rangi[…]la3/userprefs.cgi
21:03 rangi and set the skin to koha
21:04 rangi then go to
21:04 rangi looks like we are missing some images?
21:04 Francesca huh weird
21:04 Francesca give me a sec
21:04 pianohacker oh heh yeah
21:04 pianohacker it's pretty tho
21:04 Francesca thanks
21:05 wizzyrea tis pretty!
21:05 Francesca oh wow I see what you mean
21:05 wizzyrea \o/ yay for matching
21:05 Francesca ok
21:05 Francesca don't know why those images have vanished
21:05 rangi i think i can fix it by copying the images over 2 secs
21:05 wizzyrea yeah probably just missed adding them in your commit?
21:05 cait it's really nice
21:05 cait Francesca++!
21:05 wizzyrea Francesca++
21:06 cdickinson Francesca++
21:06 Francesca yay thanks
21:06 Francesca uhh I didn't do anything with the images so yeah I guess I just missed them
21:06 Francesca whoops
21:09 rangi hows that now?
21:10 rangi if people like it, I can switch it to the site default
21:10 Francesca they're back
21:10 cait +1 frem me
21:11 pianohacker +1
21:12 rangi its switched to the default, i think it might just apply to new users .. existing users might have to switch it themselves
21:12 Francesca ok
21:12 rangi (if they have changed their theme ever that is)
21:12 cait maybe we can advertise it :)
21:13 cait mailing list?
21:13 wahanui well, mailing list is at[…]ha-mailing-lists/
21:13 wizzyrea I like it, it's pretty.
21:13 * Francesca dies of excitement
21:13 cait don't!
21:13 Francesca lol ok
21:14 wizzyrea If people find problems in the theme, suggest they should file bugs under website and I'll assign them to Francesca?
21:14 cait sounds good to me
21:15 wizzyrea cool.
21:15 Francesca sweet
21:15 rangi you could always grab those images and change their colours too if you wanted
21:15 wizzyrea *nod*
21:15 Francesca yeah I'll have a look at that as soon as I finish my halloween project
21:16 rangi cool
21:16 rangi did you see my desk last year?
21:16 Francesca dont think so
21:16 wizzyrea I'm not sure I approve of the hover effect being a "strong" instead of a colour change, mostly because it surprises me that the text jumps. But, I don't feel so strongly about it that you have to change it
21:17 wizzyrea just something to think about
21:17 Francesca yup ok
21:17 Francesca I can do something about that
21:18 wizzyrea you could maybe leave it strong if you added some more margin or padding, not sure, give it a play.
21:18 Francesca yeah I will
21:19 rangi Francesca:[…]ateposted-public/
21:19 wizzyrea it was very festive :D
21:20 Francesca I love it
21:43 wizzyrea can I tell firefox to quit hassling me about blocking flash forever?
21:44 cait haven't tried
21:44 wizzyrea I just want it to always block it
21:45 wizzyrea Yes you can
21:45 wizzyrea addons -> plugins -> Shockwave Flash -> Never activate
21:46 wizzyrea it was set to "ask to activate"
21:46 wizzyrea that's a terrible TIL but there you go.
21:49 cdickinson I'm almost ready to uninstall Flash entirely
21:50 cdickinson the only site that I use that still uses Flash is
21:51 * Francesca uses chrome
21:51 cdickinson which means you can't uninstall Flash :P
21:51 wizzyrea chrome isn't open source :P
21:52 wizzyrea also, that restriction would be a reason to make me stop using chrome if I did :/
21:53 Francesca lol
22:04 cdickinson don't you love it when something just works immediately after a big rewrite
22:05 cdickinson once you fix the typos and syntax errors of course
22:20 jcamins wizzyrea: FF just blocks Flash for me.
22:21 wizzyrea I fixed it :)
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