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[–]Jay-Dee-British 18 points19 points  (7 children)

Been a vaper for 10 years. Not dead. Not under medical care for any lung issues (because I have NO lung issues). I know that's only an n=1 so.. On a side note, if vaping were so bad, why would the US be the ONLY country affected? Curious, no?

[–]Maelyn717 3 points4 points  (5 children)

I keep pointing that out to people. Canada is not affected, directly cross the border. Mmmkay.

[–]Jay-Dee-British 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Yeah I don't get why 'reporters' aren't asking the simple questions either. Millions of people vape around the world; millions. Many for over 10 years with no deaths directly linked only to vaping.Some in countries with less strict 'standards' (like China). Yet the US has 7 deaths linked to something and they all assume oh it's the uber-dangerous vaping that has affected 0 people among millions over decades elsewhere... I mean what the actual... is investigative journalism no longer a thing in the States?

[–]dontdowndootmebro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because reporters are just another branch of the lobby.

[–]oTHEWHITERABBIT 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Most media is corporatized to make a profit with eyeballs and clicks. Real journalism doesn't pay anymore.

You'd think corporate media would at least do the bare minimum of work though.

[–]lightningserpent 0 points1 point  (0 children)

would at least do the bare minimum of work

but that would cost more; taking away from the profit. Just issue a correction later if it's wrong...

[–]SeaBizzkit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Canada isn't effected yet, worry is starting though. Ignorance was a major factor on why this blew up like it did and there's no shortage of ignorant people.

[–]Sussudio498 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same here .. about 10 years.

[–]n33lo 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Because non vapers don't care what kind of vaping it is, to them its all vaping. Over a decade we've been vaping and just now people are getting sick/dieing? Only in the US? In specific areas? When anyone feels the need to act like they're gonna save my life about this new news, I just tell them I'm not vaping the same thing and move on. I'm not gonna change their mind, but i know I'm safe.

[–]Maelyn717 1 point2 points  (4 children)

The things that comfort me is that this is NOT happening in Canada. Furthermore, a majority of the ill are male and under the age of 35, most are actually closer to 19 or 20. I really see this as a case of mass media hysteria and unfortunately, us regular vapers will suffer for it.

[–]tscc85[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wish I was in Canada. The US is fucking up big time. If weed was legalized this wouldn’t even be happening. Ugh.

[–]vaporvendor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dude. AVERAGE age of 19. AVERAGE!

Yes, it's vaping, not THC carts. The moment you become an adult you are immune. Ugh

Obligatory /s

[–]oTHEWHITERABBIT 0 points1 point  (1 child)


I may not be a big fan of Trudeau's stile of politics but I will commend him on legalization. At least he had the balls to do right by his nation. Disappointed in Obama.

[–]killernewfie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He did right by the people who cared about legalization(which hasn't been a painless process). That's it unfortunately.

[–]nightshard 6 points7 points  (7 children)

A few things to consider:

Vaping most likely won't kill you, smoking most likey will kill you.

Get your THC the old fashioned way.

Reporters are sharks, looking for blood.

When you see a research, a study or a survey, the first thing you should ask yourself is who funded it.

The FDA and BP are not your friends and don't have your wellbeing in mind, it's all about the money.

[–]80503 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Get your THC the old fashioned way

This plus there's vapes for flowers

[–]BuffaloKiller937 0 points1 point  (5 children)

What's vapes for flowers?

[–]bathaholic 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Vaporizers that heat up bud

[–]killernewfie 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Like the new awful tasting tobacco ones that heat up tobacco?

[–]bathaholic 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Is that a thing? I only know of the ones that use dry marijuana like the pax

[–]redheadturk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Check out MIG vapors. They have flower tanks.

[–]DJXiejCylon | Admiral | Vindicator && Drop | Culverin | Goon 25 0 points1 point  (0 children)

PAX is an old one. Oven style chambers that heat but don't burn the flower.

[–]Darkcide666 4 points5 points  (9 children)

How long have you been vaping? I've been at it about two years and I know many people that have been vaping way longer than I...We're not sick or dead. Many members of this community have been putting in work since vaping became a thing...They're not sick or dead. There are many popular YT/Social media vapers....They are also not sick or dead. There are millions of vapers globally that also aren't sick or dead. No other country is having the same problems. I know it's all anecdotal but I'd say those of us that vape a PG/VG/nic/flavorings mix are more than likely fine and relatively safe.

[–]tscc85[S] 0 points1 point  (8 children)

About 2.5 years...thanks man. Mind started to run on me (Anxiety sucks lol). You are correct there’s still tons of people vaping that are fine so that’s a good thing. I only vape bluedot juice and a vuze pod system. Never had an issue with bluedot. This whole thing is just driving me crazy. It’s everywhere I look haha. What a nightmare.

[–]Chilicheesin 4 points5 points  (3 children)

The THC cart producers need to cut (dilute) their products so that they can put less of the main ingredient (THC) in it. In the past two to three months there has been a new cutting agent that actually is a thickener that makes the juice appear more pure. Unfortunately this thickening agent causes lipid pneumonia. Nic liquid producers don't need to resort to this manufacturing process.

[–]Maelyn717 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yeah they served 3 subpeonas this morning on thickener producers for THC carts. Those companies removed their products from sale listings already. To me that makes it more likely those are going to be the cause. Its just fucking mass hysteria and finger-pointing and media jumping on the fear-mongering bandwagon.

[–]checkmak01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd like to add:

AP. Wisconsin man accused in illegal THC vaping cartridge scheme


[–]PresdentShinra 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good distillate is quite viscous. Often to the point where it doesn't wick well without being thinned slightly.

It's not always about stretching the product.

[–]LieutenantRekt 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Mind started to run on me (Anxiety sucks lol)


That's not even all of it for me. My back has been "sore" since this bullshit started 2 weeks ago. I only started vaping just over a month ago. Dealing with hypochondria and the shit that bitchass American media outlets are putting out there has been hard, I've been tempted to switch back to cigarettes countless times. I really wish they would just shut the fuck up now unless they're giving specifics. The only thing keeping me vaping at the moment is that it's only been reported in the US (I believe, I try not to read to much into it for the sake of my sanity).

I tend to believe the media in the US are deliberately trying to get people like me to this point where it seems it's either vape, die now, or smoke and die in 30 or so years from cancer or some heart problem. Then there's the odd media source that goes, "It's probably best to quit altogether". Son of a bitch! We know this. We're struggling to fucking quit cigarettes after they were deliberately advertised as COOL to kids, and no I'm not that old to have been a victim of these advertisement but I believe that the notion had an impact on many of the following generations.

Forgive me, OP, for venting along.

[–]tscc85[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Dude I totally agree. They want us back on the cigs...the problem with the THC carts is real but how they’re handling it is just shitty. They need to give us clean and clear information. I was so angry about all of this today. Angry that I almost bought smokes, angry that I couldn’t relax and have a vape, and just frustrated that my mind was running. Everywhere I turn is a different story about how we need to stop vaping. I’m not going to lie I’m still on edge over here. I know I shouldn’t be probably but like how am I supposed to not worry in the back of my head? Ugh. So frustrating.

[–]vaporvendor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem is they're treating it like tainted lettuce. Oh, stop eating ALL lettuce until further notice - no problem. Complete failure to realize in this case lettuce (vaping) was replacing a known deadly habit, it needs to be handled quite differently.

[–]Sussudio498 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If I didn’t already Vape I’d say my friends are driving me to it. Lol. I know it’s a crutch but helps my anxiety. So more they razz on me “ for my own good “ the more I want to vape. 🙄

[–]goonsuey 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I think the FDA is in a pickle. If they say that it's black-market THC vaping and they're correct, it would be a tacit endorsement of nicotine vaping. If they say it's THC vaping and they're incorrect, then many more lives would continue to be at risk from whatever is really causing the illness. The only thing the FDA can say at this time is that 100% of the patients with this lung disease recently vaped.

Consider the remote possibility that the illness is neither THC or nicotine related. Think of the 1982 Tylenol Cyanide crisis, or the 1976 Red Dye #2 scare. Acetaminophen wasn't killing people - a lunatic was! But "Tylenol" was the name in the news. M&M's didn't have Red Dye #2 and cause cancer, but Mars had to discontinue the red ones because people didn't know if red M&M's were safe so they stopped buying them.

This time around vaping is the boogeyman.

We're going to all have to wait for this thing to run its course. The FDA will eventually reach a scientific conclusion. Laws, and the market will adjust.

[–]vaporvendor 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Except you have laws prewritten and just waiting to capitalize on such an event. See MI flavor ban, Cuomo threatening a flavor ban, and Dick Durbin threatening Ned Sharpless' job if he doesn't institute a federal flavor ban in 10 days. The fuck does banning flavors do to solve a problem caused by a completely different and already illegal product?? Don't rely on "laws will adjust".

[–]goonsuey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Banning flavors is just about the stupidest thing a governor could do right now.

Edit: Flavor bans are what results when people demand quick, uniformed actions.

[–]serfingusa 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Millions around the world vape.
Vaping has been around for about ten years.

This issue suddenly crops up only in the US. Seems to be in clusters.

It is the black market THC cartridges. Listen to the FDA on this one. Not the CDC.

Beyond which, why are they acting like millions will die?

[–]Tabboo10% off w/code reddit levelupvapor.com[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I feel ya man. I get at least one call, text or email about it a day. But I don't mind clearing the air and making them feel better.

[–]Scheming_Gnome 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Journalism is dead in America.

Now you see what Trump has gone thru for the last 2 years.

We need to stop the mass hysteria on all fronts.

[–]vaporvendor 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That has me so conflicted. Like, I truly believe he is an asshole and deserves 90% of it.

But he's right that they're wrong like 80% of the time.

But then, does he really hate them? He loves attention. And their obsession with him right from the start, during the primaries, and throughout the election, gave him millions and millions of dollars of free exposure that actually helped him immensely. Think if they treated him like they're treating Andrew Yang. We'd probably have a President Clinton and chuckle about when that jackass Trump even ran.

[–]Scheming_Gnome 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, not to turn this political and you have to make up your own mind but him or anyone for that matter, you need to see them with your own eyes and not thru the eyes of someone else's (mainly the media in this instance)

It's like being a kid and hearing your mother constantly say your dad sucks. Or vice versa... Whether he does or not, the kid will go on to think it

Personally I don't think he's the monster they make him to be. His problem is people are constantly throwing arrows at him and he is returning fire. I understand standing up for yourself, I guess some of that could be tempered

[–]crocosurfer 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Buurp..still alive!

[–]tscc85[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Glad to hear it 🙂

[–]PrancingNugget 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I feel you. I get anxious about the whole thing too. It ends up with me wondering if I'm going to be apart of some "do you suffer from Mesothelioma?" commercial haha. It makes me feel better that this has been around for 10 or so years and we likely would've heard about it by now.

[–]tscc85[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

True. That does make me feel better. I just wish they would give us clean and clear info. I want a fact list lol. Every news piece is saying something different. It’s insane. I

[–]PrancingNugget 1 point2 points  (1 child)


Thank you I appreciate the links. That makes me feel much better.

[–]Robert_Cromwell 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Vaping is like drinking from a glass it depends on what is in the vape/glass as to whether it is dangerous or not.

Why I expect the FDA to only approve sealed pod systems.

sucks. A few always mess things up for the majority it seems.


Yup. That’s exactly what happens and exactly what will happen. JUUL and a few others will get the go ahead. It’s going to be a sad day.

[–]killernewfie 1 point2 points  (2 children)

What's the difference in sealed pod systems and sealed juice in a bottle produced in a clean lab?

[–]vaporvendor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't know what they're putting it into. A 2012 CE5 on a ego twist cranked up to 5V and dry burning all day long? That stupid fucking formaldehyde study is how they think: sure, you SAY nobody does that, but they could!

[–]Robert_Cromwell 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The difference is not in the juice. the difference is in the device and the inability to vape stuff not sealed inside the pod. Ie like kids are doing now and killing some of themselves. And yes some would find a way around the sealed pod restriction, some always do.

[–]vaporvendor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just remind yourself that people here have been vaping for a decade without this problem. Why the sudden rapid onset of illness, with an average patient age of 19? Something changed. What changed? The THC carts that became all the rage in the last year or two.

You missed all the other info that came out. The vitamin E acetate is coming from thickeners that were introduced in order to cut THC levels down but still have it appear thick and golden like it's potent shit when it's garbage. Someone made a great post about it here, but it's even trickling into the news. Three companies were indicted by NY and they all exited the market very suddenly.

[–]re4235 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Let's be careful not to say THC vaping like its literally that chemical causing illness, which it's not. It's the additives in illicit carts. Both markets deserve proper protection and regulation. THC or nicotine carts are fine with their proper vaping additives.

[–]checkmak01 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My recommendation to you and to everyone that still has doubts about what's going on is to follow great info sources that on top of this issue on twitter and elsewhere.

These are a few I sub:

Gregory Conley, @GregTHR

Prof. Michael Siegel, @mbsiegel

Dr. K. Farsalinos, @FarsalinosK

Science Media Ctr UK

Amanda Wheeler, @amandawheeler32

Matt From SMM

GFN (Global Forum on Nicotine) and Regulator Watch on YouTube

Probably also The Onion, so you can have some humor for your anxiety

[–]Octone875 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Literally read the articles. The first few paragraphs open up about “ecigs” and then in one or two sentences quietly mention “to date all patients had used THC/CBD Vape products, and only some used nicotine Ecigs” or out right say “products affected thus far contain ThC”

It’s propaganda.