I Should Be Entitled to a Congressional Medal of Honor!

by lewwaters




So, what makes me think I should receive one now?




















21 Comments to “I Should Be Entitled to a Congressional Medal of Honor!”

  1. He should be arrested and deported, right now. Immediately. Today.


  2. I’m appalled that with all of his admissions of years of knowingly breaking the law, falsifying documents to gain work, lucrative work at that, that he even has options to review.

    Of note too, he researched and found Oregon an easy mark for a drivers license and once they changed their laws, just crossed the river in to Washington to obtain one.

    The amount of sympathetic comments at the New York Times is equally appalling.


  3. I come at this from a completely different angle. Sometimes prevention is the only solution, and if there is no way to prevent something, like drug use, then manage it. From a purely engineering analysis of the “illegal immigrant” problem, after-the-fact penalties are draconian to implement and haphazardly applied. Even if you started executing illegal aliens by the 1000s, or deporting them by the 10,000s, the ones that remain (10s of millions!) will still hide or revolt. There is no solution that is less offensive than the Jewish pogroms of history.

    DON’T ALLOW THEM IN!!! But if they get in then manage the situation.


  4. Martin, while not exactly on par with illegal immigration, we have for many years had to deal with bank robbers, rapists, murderers and what have you.

    We don’t allow those either, but they still happen. How do we “manage” them?

    It should be noted too, in the NYT article, how the young man researched online for the easiest path to obtaining a drivers license and found it in Oregon, then Washington just this year. All to maintain his remaining and appearing to be as legal immigrant.

    And interesting article appears in the July edition of the American Legion magazine, “Independence from Illegal Immigration.” The article mentions how passing stricter enforcement policies is reducing the numbers through attrition.

    It’s not online, but if you like I can scan it and send it to you.


  5. Lew, this issue is one of those where the difference in our fundamental ideologies, Liberal v. Conservative, flares up. I certainly believe in law enforcement (I’m an attorney!) but I often don’t think increasing penalties is the answer or even productive. So, rather than beat a dead horse, I’ll suggest the root of the immigration problem…

    The major instigating factor is jobs. Immigrants are willing to work the low-prestige jobs at low wages, and they are great employees. I blame this situation on unions, and the sense of entitlement and self-absorption of native-born Americans. I see no solution. Who IS going to pick the strawberries?


  6. Martin, you’re right about our ideologies differing, no big deal though.

    What I meant by passing stricter enforcement policies is like Arizona’s recent measure to give Police the authority to check immigration status and Oregon’s move to require a birth certificate for a drivers license.

    Just knowing that enforcement is back on the table caused a reduction in the numbers of illegals. In the case of Oregon’s law, it merely moved them to Washington to obtain a drivers license, which they can then use in other states to transfer over.

    As far as picking strawberries (or whatever), what did we do before? Yes, I agree with you “on unions, and the sense of entitlement and self-absorption of native-born Americans.” Our people have adopted the attitude that they shouldn’t have to work at menial tasks for lower wages and guess what? We are paying for that currently in the economy.

    But, that can and must change.

    In another light, relying on illegal immigrants to do those menial tasks amounts to slavery in my estimation. We encourage them to come here, work menial jobs at low wages in sub-standard conditions often and try to keep them under the radar.

    Is it really that much different than how Africans who were forced to come here in chains were treated once here? True, the Mexican slaves aren’t sold on the auctioning block (although some are sold into sex slavery), but they are kept in fear of being discovered if mistreated.

    To me, those that advocate using Mexicans (mostly) for such tasks and justifying it with keeping the price of our fruit and vegetables low are actually returning us to a slavery condition.


  7. My goodness, Lew, your “slave” speech sounds like a real Liberal!

    When the World crashes economically, we’ll have a chance to rewrite the law. Liability must change dramatically. (I’m personally researching New Zealand’s socialized liability.) Also, social burdens should be removed from the employer and put on the public. Just those two things alone would go a long way towards allowing “free market” solutions to social problems.


  8. I guess the only question I would have, Martin, if the slave issue is a Liberal point of view, why aren’t Liberals making it instead of advocating they come here under those conditions?

    Yes, changes must be made and I hope they can be made and avert such a world economic crash.


  9. There is a large component of the Democratic Party that is Hispanic: their self-interest subsumes Liberal ideology. Also, the Progressives (Marxist-tilt) espouse equality over liberty – they welcome a homogenized World Order. The battleat the ballot box is against these Special Interests, and also the lassie faire capitalist (which are usually Republican).


  10. The problem here, of course is that your concept of “managing” this situation would draw them here like flies. Making this an “ok, I’ve crossed the border, you have to keep me” kind of arrangement is a recipe for disaster.

    Manging this includes deporting those we know to be here illegally. Managing this includes imprisoning those who employ illegals. Manging this includes confiscating their property. Managing this includes getting rid of the “born here” automatic citizenship rule.

    Marti, I know you’re an open borders kind of guy… you’ve even gone so far as to suggest that citizenship shouldn’t be a criteria to vote… which is difficult enough now, given the hundreds of thousands of illegals voting as it is.

    But your idea of “managing” this nightmare is a slippery slope leading to disaster.


  11. As brought out in the American Legion article I mentioned above, many are leaving on their own instead of being deported.

    Just knowing that strict enforcement is on the table has caused many to either leave, or come to Washington State, as we saw in that Seattle Times article telling us we have seen a 35% increase in illegal immigrants, while other states have seen a slight decrease or remained steady.


  12. Yeah, I know I won’t get any votes from either side on this issue, but I’ve made my argument and it’s a good one (though not popular). Hard problems are “hard” for a reason.


  13. Isn’t that the very essence of our system, Martin?

    We don’t solve issues here, but we bring them up and discuss them and hopefully, draw others to discuss matters and see them brought to solutions at the ballot box.

    There is no simple solution to the problem of illegal immigration, but past experience has shown amnesty as a failure.


  14. Would not the national use of E-Verify limit the ability of this individual and others to game the system? Without employment opportunities would not self deportment be likely in many cases?


  15. That would be a good start and one I advocate, Steve. But, as he explains, he was able to obtain a legal social security number by fraudulent documents and then doctored the card.

    I don’t know if e-verify would catch that.

    Many steps need to be taken and e-verify is one.

    Another I’d like to see is H.R.4088 the “Secure America Through
    Verification and Enforcement” act brought back and passed.


  16. 25 million people is it’s own economy. There are whole districts in many States that are almost entirely Hispanic, (including Washington). The underground economy is huge, employing millions of people.

    Often Conservatives want to punish the employer. Should employers go to jail for an employee’s drug use? How about driving infractions or domestic abuse? If you make the employer responsible for the sins of the employee, that is as Marxist as the Progressives.

    I agree, a pogrom would work – it worked in Germany. Do we have the stomach for it?


  17. A big problem with that economy of its own, Martin, is how much of that economy is sent back to the home country instead of circulating in our own economy. That’s a large chunk of our economy going elsewhere instead of circulating here, where it is needed.

    If an employer knowingly hires an illegal alien, with the intent of paying them less and knowing the illegal alien is not entitled to legal work, yes he should be arrested.

    That is a far cry from someone using drugs off site after work.

    Incidentally, didn’t the courts rule employers could deny employment or fire employees for smoking tobacco at any time? Or is that still bouncing around the courts?


  18. In all seriousness, if we had the stomach for it, there is a “final solution” to the problem.


  19. If you mean the “final solution” as I think you do, martin, history shows it is not only wrong, but unworkable.

    I do support such measures for those convicted beyond a shadow of doubt for certain heinous crimes, though

    But, that is individual.


  20. After thinking about this, and considering that Lew and Kelly (and others) are intelligent, logical people, it’s obvious that you also recognize the “unworkable” nature of solving illegals already in this country – which leads me to believe it’s the “getting away with it” aspect of the situation that really irks you. Conservatives want law breakers to be penalized – it’s part of your base convictions. Because I have not been taking that into account, I’m missing the opportunity to find common ground.

    I’ll have to keep thinking about it…

    p.s. Personally, I think the Death Penalty works. If The People want it in their state, that’s their choice.


  21. Penalizing isn’t the only option, Martin. In the case of illegal aliens, incarceration solely for being in the country illegally solves nothing, they are till in the country with us paying for them. If they commit a serious crime, that is different, but that would also depend on the crime committed.

    Blanket solutions don’t work, I think we all admit to that.

    But again, I bring up the American Legion article and how passage of stricter enforcement policies has caused the numbers of illegals to decrease simply out of fear of being discovered and deported.

    Many left on their own, found their own way back.

    We will probably always have some illegal immigrants, but at much lower numbers that aren’t affecting the economy and that are much easier managed when discovered.

    Too many decades of lax enforcement and the amnesty given during Reagan’s time just told them to come in, all is fine.




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