PM_ME_MY_REAL_MOM 10 points11 points 11 months ago

No. I'm the person who originally responded to them, and they've presented a more compelling argument than I have. I encourage you to upvote them and not me.

Yortmaster 2 points3 points 11 months ago

You’re willingness and appreciation of discourse makes you one of the people that make reddit great!

Roach_Patty 2 points3 points 11 months ago

The way you just fully conceded your argument to them and defended someone you’d just argued with was really honourable. Thats something I rarely see anywhere today. If I could give you platinum, believe me I would

herabec 1 point2 points 11 months ago

Has the polar vortex frozen hell over?

[deleted] 0 points1 point 11 months ago

I will not, you're clearly over your head too if you fell for that speech

PM_ME_MY_REAL_MOM 10 points11 points 11 months ago

You're right. I'm not convinced by their argument, but the actual argument I've presented is flashier than it is rhetorically sound, regardless of the truth of its basis. /u/EvanMacIan put a fair effort into discussion, which is exactly what upvotes are supposed to reward.

You're honestly being more dismissive than /u/EvanMacIan was before, and that was my main beef with them. I was guilty of it too, in my response. This kind of attitude doesn't help any of us, and I'm sorry for my part in perpetuating it.

[deleted] -2 points-1 points 11 months ago

I get what you're saying, but I downvote pseudointellectual trash on principle, regardless of effort. I think it contributes negatively to discussion.

josefjohann 0 points1 point 11 months ago

I read through it and I don't see any pseudointellectual trash. I see someone who is taking sides and choosing to be incredibly rude, though.

There's an important distinction between the kind of "understanding" a human or a dolphin has when it engages in abstract reasoning that is different from the kind of stimulus-response pattern recognition a honeybee has, and the article is equivocating between those two things, and it's causing people to think "wow, honeybees can count, just like humans and dolphins!"

/u/PM_ME_MY_REAL_MOM seemed to more or less be saying that honeybee-level understanding is the same as human/dolphin understanding, which seems to me to be wildly wrong for reasons /u/EvanMacIan patiently explains.