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[–]Final_Smash 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Solid numbers for Darnold there. Very nice.

[–]_galaga_ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I thought his TD/INT ratio in the red zone was 15:1 last year or something ridiculous like that. The anti-Kizer in that sense.

Edit: Well fuck, it’s in the table, I just didn’t scroll to the right far enough on mobile. At least I remembered correctly.

[–]6Doyle524 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Baker sitting at 38% air yards, that supporting cast was nasty but the film shows that he took full advantage of them.

[–]Randumo 1 point2 points  (12 children)

Lots of extra statistics here. Nice chart. I wonder what the red zone NFL TD% & INT% were if you remove Kizer from the equation lol.

I guess the best two would come down to Darnold and Mayfield. The air yard % makes it more interesting than just the standard numbers would normally indicate.

[–]VonJaeger[S] 1 point2 points  (11 children)

Comp: 14 Att: 42 Comp. %: 31.82% Yards: 105 TDs: 8 INTs: 6 The quick abbreviated Kizer RZ stat line. It is absurdly poor.

Honestly, Darnold and Allen would probably be my two picks for the best statlines. Allen's downright strong in the redzone, and he was the motor that was moving every thing. Darnold was more efficient than Allen, and ultimately more productive, but did have a stronger cast - notably Ronald Jones.

As for Mayfield...Air Yardage showcase a trend with him - had a lot of created opportunities and relied a lot on screens and short yardage throws. Credit Mayfield for being able to properly utilize the talent around him, but I think this is one of the examples that plays heavily into the "Mayfield had a strong cast, and a good system" narrative that dogs him. He had the best redzone threat of all these QBs in Mark Andrews, and had two quality outside threats in Lamb and Brown. The opportunities were going to be there for him, and I can't knock him for taking advantage of them, but I don't think his performance in the redzone is as impressive as Darnold or Allen overall, as they simply created more opportunities with less around them.

[–]Randumo 0 points1 point  (10 children)

[–]VonJaeger[S] 0 points1 point  (9 children)

I'm not an Allen fan by any means...but everyone looks at the completion percentage and immediately disowns the dude. Gotta say, when you break it down into yardage tiers, Allen is surprisingly just as accurate as anyone else in the class in those mid-yardage ranges. As accurate as Rosen in the 0-10 yardage marks, as accurate as Mayfield in the 11-20 yardage marks.

Issue comes on those deep balls of his.

[–]Randumo 1 point2 points  (2 children)

He was also horrendous when facing any Power 5 team. 1 TD vs 8 INTs

[–]VonJaeger[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Absolutely true. He's such a confusing prospect at times. Looks like Matthew Stafford at times, looks like Jake Locker at others.

[–]Randumo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, fortunately we aren't in one of those years where there aren't any better available prospects. We don't need to take a crazy risk on a guy who couldn't even make 1st team in the Mountain West Conference.

[–]deviden 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm starting to think Rosen is gonna drop lower than the peanut gallery has suspected. My guess is that the Jets are either in love with Baker or are willing to take Allen, otherwise their early trade to 3 makes no sense.

And if Darnold isn't a Brown at #1 I'll scrape some dirt from under my big toenail and eat it.

[–]JabroniBalogna88 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s gonna be Baker

[–]Best ModsTapedeckNinja 0 points1 point  (3 children)

So I'm looking at pass charting from NDT Scouting, and they have Mayfield at 70.8% from 10-19 yards and Allen at 56% at the same distance.

Is there some other pass charting that shows Allen with better accuracy than that at the intermediate level?

[–]VonJaeger[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I've got Mayfield at 65.6% from 11-19 yards, with Allen at 62.1%. Accounting for drops.

[–]Best ModsTapedeckNinja 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Are those from Ian Wharton's catchable pass charting?

[–]VonJaeger[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes sir.

When you compare them against one another, Allen's numbers stack up well against the others in the class. Even moreso when you account for NFL average. Allen's throwing splits are actually really close to what NFL QBs throw as well in terms of yardage splits, whereas Mayfield and Rosen throw substantially more screens than their fellow prospects as well as NFL average.

[–]Cle_fan_brisbane 4 points5 points  (44 children)

hard to believe the chosen one has the worst int ratio in the red zone, and the worst NFL rating, worst AY/A , most int, and second worst comp %

thought he could do no wrong

did he look nice with his mechanics while making all these mistakes though?

great post btw, sub needs more of this

[–]nizule 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Quick, name the leading rusher on USC, Louisville, Oklahoma, and UCLA.

[–]thehildabeast 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I got you without looking, RJ III, Lamar Jackson, Anderson, and idk all their rbs looked shit on Rosen's film.

[–]Cle_fan_brisbane 1 point2 points  (0 children)

who cares? did he throw to them in the red zone? did they drop all these passes?

[–]Final_Smash -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

15/4 isn't awful, but yeah, let's turn a comparative stat thread into a crap on Rosen fest

[–]VonJaeger[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Speaking of comparative stats, I was surprised at how...capable Allen was in the middle yardage tiers. 0-10 yards and 11-20 yards, he's literally right there with the other prospects in terms of completion percentage.

[–]Final_Smash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, not something I would have expected. I guess I need to watch him throw more fades.

[–]ChiefNjoku 1 point2 points  (0 children)

5.88 int% in college is legit awful. That's 3 times higher than the NFL average, and that is in college. If that's not awful what is?

[–]Cle_fan_brisbane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

was it the worst or not? and do ppl like you keep telling us all how good he is?

like i say. it doesnt compute/.

[–]average_white_male 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rosen can improve decision making, none of them are perfect.

Still want him as our QB.