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Thibault de Vassal    (2009-01-08)
Halasz gambit

A new chess thematic tournament !

The very hard Halasz gambit : 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.f4

What do you think ? Ilmars ? ;)

Ilmars Cirulis    (2009-01-11 14:02:57)
Re - Halasz gambit

Ilmars thinks: 0-1. :)

Normajean Yates    (2009-01-12 07:31:11)
does llmars think all gambits are 0-1?

including Queen's? ;)

Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2009-01-12 11:24:19)

The Albin is 1 - 0!

Normajean Yates    (2009-01-12 12:19:04)
i havent played the albin for ages

I'll take up the albin again - and if i lose i'll blame llmars ;)

Normajean Yates    (2009-01-12 12:51:48)
oops soory i only got the joke now :)

excuse: I was multitasking!

rephrasing the question:

does llmars think all white gambits are 0-1 - including queens - and all black gambits (e.g. latvian, traxler, albin, falkbeer) are 1-0?

Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2009-01-12 14:02:15)
Gambits ...

Gambits are a form of gambling. A few religions forbid gambling, so playing this thematic tournament would be a sin.

Ilmars Cirulis    (2009-01-14 14:32:38)

Ilmars thinks that queen gambit (accepted) is 1/2-1/2.

Traxler, Latvian, Albin is 1-0. Falbeer is 1/2.

P.S. Ilmars don't know all gambits. Also he has freedom to change his mind (f.e. his last opinion about Evans is 1/2 comparing to start opinion 0-1).

Normajean Yates    (2009-01-14 14:57:51)
goood sensible answer...

interesting, llmar's opinion that QGA is 1/2-1/2. So, QGA is maybe better than QGD ... interesting opinion. [seriously. I am not rejecting it.] QGA thematic sometime is needed.

Normajean Yates    (2009-01-14 15:00:33)
llmars' version of Tal's quote:

considering that with time llmars's opinion of gambits seems to be getting less unfavourable, it would be:

"The older I get, the less I value pawns." ;)

Ilmars Cirulis    (2009-01-14 15:06:14)

Ilmars is human as like as Tal. :)

Ilmars Cirulis    (2009-01-14 15:49:55)

... as much as ...

Sophie Leclerc    (2009-01-19 05:19:52)
Traxler is lost ?

Come on, If this gambit can give someone an attack then be attack, sacrifice your meterial for a strong and trown the rest at the ennemy king. That is the traxler way of doing things... Halloween gambit and queen gambit Are both need, They should be accepted, As halloween gambit refused is a dull game.

Ilmars Cirulis    (2009-01-19 08:54:09)
To Sophie

I live in imaginary world which does have any OTB chess.

Rodolfo d Ettorre    (2009-01-19 12:41:45)

I think there is a parallel universe where OTB chess is illegal and the earth is flat, resting on the backs of four huge elephants which are in turn standing on the back of an enormous turtle. See this link:


Normajean Yates    (2009-01-19 15:30:21)
:) [to rodolfo] - and, to sophie: re OTB

to rodolfo:


to Sophie:
[and a general point to all wikichess contributers]:

I think that it will be a bit less confusing if in your wikichess entries, you include the phrase '(at OTB chess)' or something like that.

The reason is that this is (for chess) a site where engine-use and *slow* correspondence-chess is the default.

Contemporary computer programs do not get 'tense' or 'fooled' by an attack -- they just calculate the static evaluation functions for positions on the game tree [using hash tables, alphabeta, iterative deepening, nullmove, quiessence search, endgame recognition heuristics, etc etc for efficiency :) positions]

computer programs *can* be fooled [otherwise every game here would have the same result by now], but not by the same techniques as those by which humans can be... :)

Normajean Yates    (2009-01-19 15:38:51)
to sophie [contd]..

Sophie wrote: 'the halloween gambit refused is a dull game.'

Programs cannot understand the concept 'dull' and 'interesting'.

(actually they *can* very roughly, but then they cannot distinguish efficiently between 'interesting' and 'unsound'. Something like: run the position on rybka3 'dynamic'; then cross-check the move with the main rybka3 )

They can understand 'drawish'.

Objectively of couse, either the initial pos is a win for white, or a win for black, or a draw. We simply do not know...