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[–]mellamandiablo🤶🎁 Holiday Donor  🎄🕎[S,M] [score hidden] stickied comment (10 children)

Everyone, y'all were phenomenal tonight. Always glad to see such enthusiasm.

Please consider donating whatever you can to the Warren campaign here and visit our volunteer thread. Get out, volunteer, talk to your neighbors and stay hyped. Keep an eye out on this sub for some exciting things to come! LGF!

[–]scienceofsin🤶🎁Holiday Donor  🎄🕎 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So what debate clips are being played on the news this morning?

[–]olb3 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Hey guys, I post here relatively infrequently because I support another candidate (irrelevant who), but I thought liz had a really strong debate and definitely improved my view of her

[–]IamCorbinDallas Top Donor 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Thank you! Welcome! Have a look around. :-)

[–]TheZanyCat 17 points18 points  (4 children)

Is this sub being brigaded?!? Why is this thread at 0 upvotes?

[–]Cobrawine66 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'll give you one guess who's brigading.

[–]yincels 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Your sub has been brigaded since Time Immemorial. Every thread and comment in this sub is afraid to attack berners who have been smearing the shit out of Liz

[–]luneunionPersisssssst 🐍 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not afraid. Unless my emotions are getting the better of me, I just find it unproductive to do anything but put good information out there. I'll call out bad faith arguments as such, but fighting with people who are only here to fight will not convince them. It will just give them what they want.

A big thank you to the mods of this sub.

[–]mellamandiablo🤶🎁 Holiday Donor  🎄🕎[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Because it is. It has been exhausting to say the least.


This thread at 0...god speed mods, god speed!

[–]Cobrawine66 2 points3 points  (2 children)

The Far Left is a danger to actual progressives and progressive values.

[–]luneunionPersisssssst 🐍 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Describe what you are defining as the "far left" please.

I would say that tribalism and a lack of critical thinking skills is a danger to all of us, whether it comes from the right or the left.

[–]Cobrawine66 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People that hold elections and party"s hostage.... example: Bernie or Busters and the Tea Party (for an example of the Far Right). Both of which practice Tribalism and lack critical thinking skills.

[–]Neurogence 13 points14 points  (12 children)

The real winner of the debate is CNN/Corporate Media/Centrists. A fued between Bernie and Warren just guarantees a Biden victory since both of these progressives will need each other's supporters to fall behind under one progressive candidate. That can't happen if there's animosity between the two camps.

[–]caststoneglasshome 1 point2 points  (3 children)


The media is no friend of the left, as evidenced by over 100 years of US political history.

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    [–]dctrbob Recurring Donor [M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Removed as there is no proof of this.

    [–]MisplacedKittyRage 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Honestly the left is no friend of the left. Media takes advantage of it, but they don’t cause it, they just fuel it. They are not saying anything that another supporter hasn’t said before.

    [–]bicatlantis7 6 points7 points  (13 children)

    Y'all. Russia has decided that after it took down Harris so effectively it should next take down Warren. And we can't fall for that 3 AM trending bullshit again.

    [–]hidralison_md 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Harris took herself down with her terrible record. How tf can you blame Russia when you were literally separating kids from parents for missing school.

    [–]Crepe_CodAMA - NH GOTV 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    That's exactly the issue....that was a Russian talking point.

    Harris never separated any parent from a child for missing school. She threatened fines, and 95% of the time that was enough to get the kids back into school. She only fined a handful of parents. The idea that she was "separating" or "arresting" parents for their kid missing school was a Russian talking point

    [–]Disparity_By_Design 11 points12 points  (6 children)

    I don't think Russia had anything to do with Harris. She couldn't even get a lead in California from the get-go despite it being her home state and the entire Democratic apparatus supporting her there.

    We don't need to turn Russia into an everything-bad-is-because-of-them bogeyman.

    [–]bicatlantis7 1 point2 points  (5 children)

    Russia did do everything in their power to take down Harris. I'm not claiming they are the only reason bad things happen. They aren't the reason Booker and Castro never caught fire. But it would really, really irresponsible to ignore the fact that Russia is trying really hard to make sure the nominees in 2020 are Bernie and Trump. They are running a huge and complex propoganda machine

    [–]luneunionPersisssssst 🐍 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    If they are trying to make it Sanders, they are underestimating him and what his administration would look like. I'm backing Warren, but Sanders would be great as compared to Biden.

    [–]jimbo831 #Persisssssst 🐍 4 points5 points  (2 children)

    What evidence is there to show Russia did anything to Harris?

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      [–]Thanes_of_Danes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Bernie supporter lurking here. Thanks for having more self awareness than the average poster here. The ratfuck is real and it is really sad to see so many "progressives" eager to turn this race into 2016's Bernie bro debacle all over again.

      [–]bgal81 the only poll that matters is the one happening on Feb 3 8 points9 points  (11 children)

      If you support sexist behavior you're a bro at heart.

      [–]PressurePass -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

      It always amazes me that people who cry sexist will literally in the same sentence denegrade someone for their perceived sex. Let's drop this whole 'bro's language. Its unproductive.

      [–]bgal81 the only poll that matters is the one happening on Feb 3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Where's this energy for Bernie supporters who claim Warren's entire argument is "vote for me, I'm a woman"?

      [–]Wes_Anderson_Cooper 7 points8 points  (11 children)

      +1 to this.

      I know enough women and non-binary people who support Bernie that this phrase no longer makes sense.

      [–]PressurePass 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      It never made sense. It was always a smear. Even if his main coalition at the beginning was predominantly male, who cares? He was running against a qualified woman trying to make history his first time. Of course woman would flock to that for the same reason black people backed Obama in astronomical numbers

      [–]MrSparklepantzPersisssssst 🐍 Donor 20 points21 points  (8 children)

      It's a term used to describe the toxic faction of his supporters, not every single Bernie supporter. Maybe we need a new word for the toxic ones.

      [–]zoufha91 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      I see what OP means tbh. It's a toxic term we shouldn't use here none the less.

      [–]dctrbob Recurring Donor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      I use "Bernie or Busters."

      [–]PerseusNote 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      It never made sense???

      [–]Pylons 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Even as someone who dislikes Sanders that term has never really sat right with me.

      [–]zdss Hawaii 19 points20 points  (14 children)

      This complaint had a lot more justification before people started defending the "Warren supporters are rich" canvasing script.

      [–]PressurePass 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      No one tells canvassers to go out and be negative. That's a landmine waiting to happen.

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        [–]CharlieBitMyDick🐍 Persssissssst 🐍[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        [–]zdss Hawaii 11 points12 points  (4 children)

        LOL, they're not all rich and this is the exact thing people complain about on Bernie Bros erasing those who are not bros. I'm just asking for some consistency and you can't even accept that.

        And is was an official script. It was confirmed by campaign staff and used in the field for a day before being recalled.

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          [–]CharlieBitMyDick🐍 Persssissssst 🐍[M] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          [–]Pylons 14 points15 points  (2 children)

          [–]PennywiseLives49 27 points28 points  (31 children)

          I have lost all hope in humanity. #NeverWarren is currently trending and you know at this point, if Trump wins re-election the US deserves it. When one section of the party goes completely scorched earth on another candidate even though she did nothing wrong, it's time to re-evaluate what went wrong. I was hoping that section could act like adults but instead they wanna throw tantrums like children and call Warren disgusting slurs. You reap what you sow

          [–]notablindspy🤶🎁Holiday Donor 🎄🕎 17 points18 points  (0 children)

          AmericaNeedsYang is also trending and he didn't even qualify for this debate. My point is, twitter isn't real life as shown by Biden who's always been the frontrunner, currently leading in polls, and has a very real chance of winning Iowa and NH not having an online presence at all. Nobody would ever guess he's the favorite to win if you were to base it on social media.

          Turn your energy into increasing the chances of Warren winning. Volunteer, canvass, donate, etc.

          [–]Wes_Anderson_Cooper 21 points22 points  (0 children)

          Twitter's not real life. It's an army of toxic morons who are easily susceptible to mob psychology. Let then rant while the adults go canvass. An Iowa voter is going to listen to a canvasser or a caller, not a internet stooge.

          [–]TheYooperPooper 14 points15 points  (2 children)

          The bots and astroturfing didn't hand Sanders a victory in 2016, it won't work in 2020.

          [–]randocalusername 10 points11 points  (12 children)

          Re-electing trump is as scorched earth as you can get. We need to get behind whoever is nominated from our party.

          [–]PennywiseLives49 18 points19 points  (11 children)

          I'm voting for the nominee, but apparently a lot of Bernie folks arent if he isnt the nominee. 2016 all over again

          [–]hidralison_md -1 points0 points  (4 children)

          That's because Bernie brings in people that don't usually vote Democrat or vote at at all. If you're blaming Bernie for Trump winning in 2016 then you're part of the problem within the democratic party

          [–]PennywiseLives49 1 point2 points  (3 children)

          I dont blame Bernie for Trump, I'm talking about 2016's dumb Bernie or Bust movement that's coming back apparently.

          [–]hidralison_md -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

          The Bernie or bust people are non Democrats and people who usually don't vote at all that Bernie reeled in. If Bernie wasn't there, these people probably wouldn't have been inspired enough to come out and vote anyways.

          Bernie's path to victory has never been to get Republicans to vote Democrat or get centrist Democrats to vote progressive. It's to get the disenfranchised non-voters, the independents, and the progressive wing of the party to come out in droves.

          [–]Crepe_CodAMA - NH GOTV[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          We have a rule about people being here exclusively to shill for another candidate. We're open to discussion, but this is first-and-foremost a sub for supporting Warren, so if you're here exclusively to convince people to vote for another candidate then it will eventually lead to a ban. Just a fair warning.

          [–]randocalusername 6 points7 points  (1 child)

          Anecdotal. All the Bernie folks I know voted for Hillary including me which is anecdotal as well lol

          I’m glad to see you’ll vote blue no matter what. Let’s hope our progressive brothers and sisters do the same.

          [–]zoufha91 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Second this. Also a ton of us in this thread are also Bernie supporters and not dudes. And yeah we will vote for whoever wins the dem nom.

          Stop playing into right-wing talking points. Let's defeat Trump and dismantle the whole right-wing establishment.

          [–]tip-of-the-yikesberg 13 points14 points  (14 children)

          ‪if b*rnie supporters are gonna continue to call Liz a snake, can we at least get Karen , Taylor Swift’s giant cobra, to make an appearance at her next town hall? ‬(Also a Taylor Swift appearance at her next town hall because Warren’s treatment is eerily similar to how Taylor has been treated in the past)

          [–]hb122 #Persisssst 🐍 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          They aren't only calling Liz a snake, they now think it's cute to fill her twitter feed with snake emojis. These people have the mentality of six year olds.

          [–]Shin47 4 points5 points  (3 children)

          You’re right Taylor Swift would be perfect to endorse Warren!

          [–]tip-of-the-yikesberg 5 points6 points  (2 children)

          I’m sure you mean this as a negative, but I agree! Her and Warren are both incredible role models for young girls everywhere on how to be successful and how to handle the adversity that comes with that success 😊

          [–]Shin47 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          I actually quite like Taylor Swifts music but she’s about a good role model as Kanye West or Kim Kardashian.

          [–]bicatlantis7 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Taylor Swift is an amazing role model. Kanye West is a crazy idiot.

          1) she spent years in a sexual assault lawsuit aiming to get $1 because she wanted to show girls that you can stand up to gross dudes

          2) her biggest scandal is when a fascist leaning idiot claimed he got her famous and then lied about her accepting that part that she very explicitly did not approve that part

          3) stood up and helped support Kesha when she was going through the Dr. Luke stuff because it was the right thing to do

          4) looked at how women were treated by record companies and decided to make her reputation tour exclusively women

          5) writes mostly positive bop after bop

          [–]MycroftTnetennba 2 points3 points  (8 children)

          Taylor swift is a Goldman Sachs high executive daughter. Out of celebrity endorsements this one is the worst

          [–]tip-of-the-yikesberg 9 points10 points  (7 children)

          She’s also been a strong advocate for women her entire career and has used her platform to stand up for herself and other female artists even when it wasn’t the most popular thing to do. I would love for her to get on board with Liz’s campaign

          [–]greencooper1 7 points8 points  (24 children)

          Why do you guys think liz didnt shake Bernies hand?

          [–]bgal81 the only poll that matters is the one happening on Feb 3 8 points9 points  (0 children)

          She was focused on what she wanted to say and not thinking about pleasantries.

          [–]ZerexTheCool Top Donor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I think speculating like this feeds a fire that might not even exist. The Media wants this to blow up because you can write a dozen stories speculating about something, while you can only write a few about something that actually happened.

          Why fan the flames?

          [–]insane_rubiks_cuber 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          She just got over a cold. It's flu season.

          [–]TheYooperPooper 4 points5 points  (3 children)

          It looks like she wanted to talk to him for an extended time, weird to shake hands for that, no?

          [–]PressurePass -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          No. You can shake hands and have a conversation. Also getting into extended dialog probably wasnt best done immediately after the debate when everyone is exchanging pleasantries.

          [–]trexofwanting 9 points10 points  (7 children)

          If I was Warren and I was certain Sanders said something that hurt/offended me, and he denied it, I probably wouldn't want to shake his hand either.

          [–]ALilTypsy 6 points7 points  (6 children)

          If he said something that offended her so long ago why is she barely now acting on it? Seems pretty manufactured to me

          [–]Pylons 15 points16 points  (5 children)

          I don't think she wanted it to get out there. Someone she recounted the conversation to leaked it, the Sanders campaign asked her to comment, and obviously she wasn't going to lie.

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            [–]dctrbob Recurring Donor [M] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

            Removed for unverifiable claims.

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              [–]mithrasinvictus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Nothing to do with "de-escalation".

              [–]Hexularr Bailey Warren 25 points26 points  (1 child)

              They are human beings and Warren was clearly frustrated with the exchange they had because she believes that she is telling the truth. It is important to remember that they are humans and have human emotions.

              [–]omegapopcorn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              I think Bernie was frustrated too. The most generous take for both candidates is that they got their wires crossed and it was just miscommunication. Otherwise one is straight up lying. So it seems Bernie wanted to go with the former and Warren wants the latter.

              [–]fapsandnaps Top Donor 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Didn't Bernie not shake her hand in the beginning?

              [–]greencooper1 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              no, bernie reached his hand out in the beginning