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November 17, 2006


Tom Maguire

And now you, who run a little cottage industry of fisking NYT stories, treat the NYT as the oracle of Delphi and its word as final.

Color me surprised.

How about if I color you "Not Keeping Up" - I did my Times bashing and pointed out their awkward positioning on this story weeks ago:

The NY Times is somewhat on board with that [ignoring the whole Harman/Hastings thing], but there is a subtle problem - Jane Harman, the ranking Dem on the House Intelligence Committee who is marked for replacement by Nancy Pelosi, has been in the news herself for being too friendly with AIPAC. Awkward! The Times has plenty of readers who take an interest in Israel so it is tough to duck this.

On the other hand, Alcee Hastings is the candidate of choice of the Congressional Black Caucus, and from time to time it has been clear that there is a bit of tension between blacks and Jews within the Democratic Party; with that in mind, the Times does not want to report on trouble in paradise two weeks before the ascension of Speaker Pelosi.

The result is some of the more passive "reporting" we are likely to see - here is the Times presenting All The News That Fits Their Storyline:

I just can't be repeating myself all the time - move on.

Anyway, I added the WaPo and the AP to buttress the Times on the dormant investigation.



TM has rebounded from his pre election lethargy and comes out swinging.

This reminds me of Jet Li in Unleashed

the collar is off


Sorry Clarice,you were on my mind.Who wants to talk to that wazzock Martin anyway?


"As a Jersey guy"

Shoulda known. I'm bettin' you were closer to Bayonne than Tom's River.


Ok TM-I note your appendix-good job.

Tweaking the tweakers is the only thing bringing joy to my otherwise drab life.

billy missle

Oh, stop - you guys have "Oklahoma!", still one of the greatest Broadway show tunes ever. As a Jersey guy, I can tell you about "No Respect". (GO, Rutgers!)

Posted by: Tom Maguire | November 18, 2006 at 05:52 A
Oh Tom, Tom, Tom
There is a speeding, out of control Semi by the name of OSU coming down the highway..
Do you really want to send Rutgers out there to face them?
Just keep mutter'n 'no respect' and have a seat sir.
( gosh! That feels great to say when your team is great)
Just ribben ya Tom...great posts BTW.


Gee, Billy Missle's only been here like 2 days, and already sportswise he's talking trash to the host. Welcome aboard Billy!

Tom Maguire


I'm going to the gallows kicking and screaming! But wait 'til '08!


An unexpected moment of solidarity here.


this girls school behaivior is amusing your enemies and disconcerting your friends.

I didn't think we had any friends left anyway?!


IIRC some guy named JackAss termed this blog "Officially Dead" a couple day's ago. As an Irishman I now Officially term this Blog's "Wake" in progress, commencing now and extending through at least the year 2050. Bartender please, another round of Guiness for TM and the JOM'ers. Go to Hell Duke.



kinda fun being on offense isn't it?

Don Meaker

How interesting. Greenwald is commenting under his own name. Corrupt Democrat leadership push corrupt politicos onto their party (I-hire-illegal-aliens Pelosi recommends Abscam Murtha, and Easy-out Hastings).

Well, perhaps we can agree that massive concentration of power in the legislature seems to encourage corruption in the legislators?

When a few million buys a favorable law worth billions, why not buy a few corrupt legislators?

Perhaps we should shrink the government just a bit, with the intent of encouraging virtue in our public servants?

Robin Roberts

The main problem that the King of Sockpuppets has with Jane Harman is that she is an adult. The juveniles hate having to associate with adults.



Joe Lieberman and Jane Harman - every neocon's favorite Democrats. That's why she won't be Chair of anything.

Let me translate what Glenn is saying to himself-

Joe "Jew" and Jane "Jewess" every warmonger Republican Jew's favorite Neo-Leper of the Democrat party. Yaka yaka I want to be a Boy from Brazil.

Mister Snitch!

I appreciate that Glenn hung out here and took his lumps, and that it didn't get TOO ugly (on either side). Props for that.


"Joe Lieberman and Jane Harman - every neocon's favorite Democrats. That's why she won't be Chair of anything."

Nooooo. That's actually why Lieberman and Harman WILL be extremely influential Dems - because they can reach across the aisle and get things done. Further, they're equipped to lead the new, conservative crop of Dems.

Think they'll be marginalized, Glenn? Try it, and watch them marginalize you.


Gee Glenn sounds to young to know the movie-

But here's a linky for him-

Boys from Brazil

Jung's synchronicity is alive and well.


Are you talking about Glenn Greenwald sockpuppet master? Sorry, I just like to give the ol' Google engine as many links to Glenn Greenwald sockpuppet as possible, since he patrols his Wikipedia entry relentlessly trying to keep any mention of Glenn Greewald sockpuppet out of it. Everyone should use Glenn "Sockpuppet" Greenwald as his default name for just this reason :)


darcy lane,
Would that be Glenn "sockpuppet" Amazon best seller list,Boys From Brazil,Cabana Boys,Litigator,Greenwald ?


This thread is hilarious! I haven't had such a good laugh in days. Thanks.

Steve White

I realize that, this late in the thread, I may be picking nits: but seeing as the Dems just elected 232 of their own to the House, and minus Pelosi as Speaker that leaves 231 who could potentially chair a committee, if Harmon is somehow damaged goods, and Hastings is an impeached judge with no credibility whatsoever --

why not get one of the other 229 Dems to chair the friggin' committee?

Preferably someone without a criminal record, real or pending.

Just a thought.



Glenn doesn't know us very well-my favorite Democrat in the senate is Ben Nelson but that's just because I'm a pagan originally from Norway.

Doesn't really fit into Glenn's world view..

Bill Nelson too he runs a distant second.

billy missle

Thanks for the welcome Daddy..
Oh Tom.. Sorry about Rutgers losing tonight.
I know you are feeling bad..
I could never sleep the night after a losing day on the gridiron..Well, I never slept after a victory either..but that's another story.
Kind regards,
Billy Ray Missle

Pink Pig

Is this guy Greenwald an asshole or what?

Let me explain in simple terms: The Democrats campaigned and won, according to their own propaganda, on the issue of foreign policy. They are now responsible for whatever may happen. Period. Apparently, they (or at least some of their sycophants) want to change the subject.

It does not surprise me, or bother me, that Pelosi holds grudges. I couldn't care less. She can stand for whatever she chooses. We the voters will decide, the next time around, whether we like or dislike her approach to serious government. She could earn a lot of brownie points by supporting the Constitution, but it is unlikely that she will.

I think that she burned up an enormous amount of political capital (read: more than the election was worth) promoting a loser for Majority Leader. On the other hand, I can't recall in my lifetime a Speaker that had much to contribute to the country, nor do I know of one through the warped lenses of history.



Does Glenn Greenwald really patrol his wiki entry for sockpuppet mentions? Glenn Greenwald really polices his own wiki for sockpuppet mentions, that is...Glenn Greenwald polices the sock puppet mentions, himself? Really, why?



You are absolutely right...most of the Dems that won were conservative betters with a D next to their name....a factoid the lefty bloggers won't admit do to TownHouse message orders.


Also Pink PIGGY

meant to add, that since the leftist of the nets want to proclaim that the vote was on Iraq -- with little evidence of it...they are by proxy owning Iraq now. Failure on the Dems watch?

Lefties don't get all failure in their soup bowl now -- UNLESS the grown-ups of the party prevail with a supportive plan.

Jim Addison

Off topic, but relevant to the comments: If you must use a sock puppet, consider altering your writing style so it won't be so obvious.

This strategy will help keep you from appearing pathetic, although it won't stop you from being pathetic.

M. Simon

Glenn doesn't understand that his party is fractured when it comes to the issue of the war. A lot of Democrats support Bush in whole or in part.

Take Smokin' Joe Lieberman.

umm...Herbie Ellenberg Ellison Green...yeah...

Jealous much Maguire?

Glenn Greenwald has the best selling book in the history of non-fiction, his blog is covered daily by the NYTimes, BBC, CNN, and LSMFT, it is read before and after the morning prayer in the Senate each morning, and federal regulators are considering rules that would make every internet browser worldwide default to his blog as a homepage. His dog is well trained and never gets ear infections, he gets weekly pedicures and his breath is minty fresh.

You fascist right-wing Nazi lunatics cannot begin to engage his intellectual points (usually they start in the 63rd paragraph or so, moron) much less scrub the floor he walks upon.

M. Simon


Jeez, a Democrat supporting Israeli spies?

It is almost like you want to throw the Jews out of the party.

I, for one, think that is a GREAT IDEA.

Note to Democrats: demonize Jews as much as possible. Why? because they give too many votes and too much money to the Democrats.

The Democrats are not even in office and the fractures are propagating at the speed of sound. At one mile every 5 seconds it would take about 15,000 seconds to destroy the Democrat party across the nation. A little over 4 hours.

It is looking more and more like Republicans still control the House and Senate despite their election loss.

effin' magicians.


I'll post this here too:

Not a sprint, but a Marathon?

Late in the week I was prepared to declare Congressional Republicans winners of a perceived race to 'Stupid.' It appears this race, this mad rush to make ridiculously stupid decisions that negatively impact the prospects for both political parties moving forward might not be the 100-yd dash I thought it.

Glenn noted yesterday with this post, what he referred to as a Democrat "circular firing squad." Indeed:

FANS OF ALCEE HASTINGS are spreading rumors about Jane Harman that don't seem to be true. Tom Maguire is on the case, remarking: "let me offer a steaming mug of reality to the reality based community, from the NY Times, with helpful emphasis added."

I'll just note that, true or not, the Democrats don't seem to have waited long before descending into circular-firing-squad mode.

UPDATE: Plus, Ann Coulter acquires the power to bend space and time, and incidentally to turn lefty bloggers into Emily Litella. Well, it's not the first time that's happened.

The TM post is especially interesting reading as it devolves into a bizarre little contest in the comments, featuring a cameo by the King of the Sockpuppets himself, Glenn Greenwald with a rehashing of old arguments that nobody's making about Jane Harman as head of the Intelligence Committee.

So apparently this race to be the dumbest leaders in Congress will be longer than I thought. Just when I was ready to declare the Republicans as the winner, we enter turn 2 and see the Dems about to retake the lead.

How will it all end?



Article on Drudge says we rethugs have a plan to attack Pelosi which will also make Hillary look bad.

doesn't look like we need a plan

Don Williams

1)Let's talk about the negetives on Jane Harman. First negetive is that Harman has been ranking Minority Leader on the House Intelligence Committee (HPSCI)for years. She had the clearances, the staff, and the resources to expose Bush's bullshit intelligence re justification for invading Iraq. So WHY didn't she do so?

There are several possible reasons. One of them
can be summed up in two words: BOEING and FIA.

2) Let me introduce a few FACTS for some of you innocents.

In 1999, Boeing received a huge contract from the National Reconnaisance Office (NRO) to build the next generation of spy satellites -- a generation known as FIA (for Future Imagery Architecture).

By September of last year, Boeing had spent BILLIONS and had still not delivered. Negroponte finally gave up in disgust and moved a major chunk of the contract to Lockheed.
See http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/news/ channel_awst_story.jsp?id=news/091905p01.xml .

3) The NRO likes to keep a low profile. They are also richer than God. So a contractor has to really REALLY screw the pooch for the Pentagon to make a public move like this. And when the contractor's lawyers don't let out a peep at the loss of business, you know the pooch must have gotten sodomized as well.

See http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/systems/fia.htm . The money quote from the later cite is this:
"Between the time the contract was awarded to Boeing in 1999 and 2005, the government had spent over $10 billion on FIA, including about $4 or $5 billion in cost overruns. The first phase was projected to have a total cost of between $20 billion and $25 billion. By 2005 about 5,000 Boeing and subcontractor employees were enaged on the program, working at windowless buildings at Seal Beach and El Segundo.

In July 2005 a panel reviewing FIA recommended that Boeing stop work on the electro-optical spacecraft, the primary component of the FIA program. Boeing evidently had over-promised and under delivered"

4)Ha ha ha Anyone want to guess which Congressional District contained Boeing's FIA facilities?

Anyone want to guess which Member of Congress tried to prevent the transfer of FIA work from Boeing to Lockheed? After, we're not talking just about Boeing. We're talking about all the local businesses (e.g., real estate) who get rich serving Boeing's FIA employees. We're talking about the "Gravy Train". See
this 2001 article on the FIA award's impact on the LA economy:

5) The question of why Jane Harman might have been very reluctant to say ANYTHING against Bush Administration officials for the past 5 years -- to object to ,say, warrentless NSA wiretapping of US Citizens -- is left as an exercise for the reader.

Note how --until the transfer of FIA work to Lockheed in Sept of last year -- Jane Harman's criticism of Bush has either been a day late or a dollar short.

The question of whether Jane Harman kept Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats well informed about the more questionable acts of the Bush Administration is also left as an exercise for the reader.

Don Williams


2) I discussed One reason above: Boeing's FIA contract.

3) The second reason can also be given in two words: Haim Saban

On Oct 20, TIME magazine published an article re
the FBI's investigation Jane Harman relationship with AIPAC. See http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1549069- 3,00.html

Money quote number 1:

4) But for political insiders, here is the REAL money quote from the TIME article:
"But congressional sources say Pelosi has been infuriated by pressure from some major donors lobbying on behalf of Harman ...
...A congressional source tells TIME that the lobbbying for Harman has included a phone call several months ago from entertainment industry billionaire and major Democratic party contributor Haim Saban. A Saban spokeswoman said he could not be reached for comment"

5) For those innocents who don't know who Haim Saban is -- and why he is relevant to our invasion of Iraq -- a little background:
a) November 2000- 2002: The biggest campaign donor to the Democratic Party is Israeli billionaire Haim Saban, who contributes $12.7 million in the 2000 and 2002 campaign cycles. (His wife Cheryl's donations raises the total to
$13.7 million) See Reference [1] below

them"[See ref 2 below]







the Democrats don't get the message.[8]







choose 2004 )

Don Williams

So the question of whether Jane Harman should be appointed chairwoman of the House Intel Committee is simple:
a)The Democrats won the election with the meme that "Bush lied us into the war in Iraq and our soldiers died as a result"
b) Should the Democrats then turn around and reinstall as HPSCI chairwoman the very person who was responsible for warning us of Bush's lies in 2002 and who failed to do so?
c) Israeli billionaire Haim Saban's $14 million campaign donations bought him access to Democratic leaders. Should it have also bought him the lives of 3000 of our sons to deal with a threat to Israel? Under the guise of dealing with non-existent WMDs?
d)Who are Judith Miller's friends?
e) Is it really intelligent for members of the Israel Lobby -- e.g. Marty Peretz of The New Republic -- to advocate so forcefully for the reappointment of Jane Harman?

Don Williams

PS Kenneth Pollack, the Director of Research at Haim Saban's Center for Middle East Policy-- who I referenced above -- was also the author of the best-selling book "The Threatening Storm".

This book was much cited by those pushing for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.

A few quotes from Mr Pollack's book which now appear ..er..not quite true:
"Since then, defectors have revealed that Saddam had concealed quite a bit more than even the inspectors realized and that soon after ousting them he resumed his WMD programs to retain and surpass the capabilities he had amassed before the Gulf War"
"Finally, there is the problem of Saddam's nuclear program. Iraq knows how to build a nuclear weapon and did so in 1990; the only thing it was missing was the fissile material, the uranium. Because Iraq has natural uranium deposits, all the Iraqis need to do is to build a process to enrich that uranium to weapons grade and then enrich enough to make one or more Hiroshima-sized weapons"

[Don Williams comment: Any knowledgeable engineer knew the above statement was misleading bullshit. I myself know how to make an Hiroshima weapon -- the design is simple and widely available. But to say all is needed is weapons-grade uranium is like saying I can run 200 miles an hour --all I need to do is to stick a jet engine in my ass. It took the Manhattan Project a shitload of money and effort to separate out small amounts of U235 from huge amounts of chemically identical U 238 isotopes.]
"Today,we have information from key defectors and a consensus among knowledgable experts that the Iraqis are hard at work on such a [nuclear weapons development ]program and that they have
all the know-how and the technology to do it. The only question is how long it is going to take them."

[Don Williams comment: Truly a hilarious statement, given Kay's report.

Possible reasons why Haim Saban has not fired such an embarrassing "Director of Research" are left as an exercise for the reader. ]


On a lighter note, following Don's treatise, did anyone else notice that Jon Carry had some plastic surgery during his haitus?

Frank G

cool - I actually got to comment in a Glenn Greenwald thread, where he's using his own nym

M. Simon


Of course not.

The Republicans would prefer to have more Jewish money and Jewish votes.

Besides Saddam was acknowledged to have two nuke programs. One in Libya and a dormant one in Iraq to be revided when sanctions failed. And sanctions were failing.

Sara (Squiggler)

The bottom line is -- you either support the Party of Appeasers and Cut and Run, with their minions in attendance such as a bunch of leaking disgruntled ex-CIA and State types (VIPs), Code Pinkers, Greenwald Grunts, etc. or you support the Victory Party with their winning attitude that looks to the far view and aren't afraid of the short term setbacks as they keep the American Spirit as their guide.

Right now the PAC&Rs think they actually won something. They discovered with the House leadership battles that maybe they didn't win as much as they thought. Many of their newly elected don't want to be PAC&Rs, they are VPs who want to stay that way, no matter which side of the aisle they have to sit on to do it.

Both the VPs of the Left and the VPs of the Right need to cleanse their ranks of PAC&Rs, the "we hate everyone but us," my way or the highway types and crybabies. Let them form a new party of their own and more reflective of their personal philosophy. WNRRs or Wing-Nut-Rooter-Rats.

Sara (Squiggler)

Ranger -- Way way up thread you said Hastings was convicted by the Senate. He was never convicted by the full Senate, only one committee within the Senate who refused to send it to the floor for a full vote. I keep bringing this up, not as a defense of Hastings, but because this is a democrat tactic that has been and is about to be used again and again against the President's nominees for judges and even more important John Bolton. Since Hastings' case did not go to the full Senate, I really think his Acquittal in the criminal case, which is what started the impeachment flap in the first place, should be given more weight. Fair should not be based on whether we like someone or not.

M. Simon

Sara SQ,

The briber was convicted the bribee was not.

So who did the briber bribe?

Sara (Squiggler)

M.Simon, please do not try to draw me into defending Hastings, I won't do it. I don't like him at all. But, I do not have to like someone or even think he is innocent to opine on the fairness of a proceeding. It was my first exposure to the the total incompetence of the FBI when it comes to important investigations and an embarrassment. When you intend to pull one of these impeachments off, you should not come out looking worse than the person charged.


Sara, wasn't he removed from his judgeship? How'd that happen?

Sara (Squiggler)

Larry: This explains the bare bones. From Wiki:

In 1989, Hastings was impeached by the Democratic-controlled U.S. House of Representatives for bribery and perjury. The Democratic-controlled Senate convicted Judge Hastings of accepting a $150,000 bribe in 1981 in exchange for a lenient sentence and a return of seized assets for 21 counts of racketeering by Frank and Thomas Romano, and of perjury in his testimony about the case. He became only the sixth Judge in the history of United States to be removed from office by the United States Senate. (The Senate had the option to forbid Hastings from ever seeking federal office again, but did not do so.)


Sporkin found some "crucial distinctions"[2] between Nixon's case and Hastings', specifically, that Nixon had been convicted criminally, and that Hastings was not found guilty by two-thirds of the committee who actually "tried" his impeachment in the Senate. He further added that Hastings had a right to trial by the full Senate.

The Supreme Court, however, ruled that the federal courts have no jurisdiction over Senate impeachment matters, and Sporkin's ruling was vacated, and Hastings' conviction and removal were upheld.


I already posted about my feelings on watching the proceedings live on CSPAN. My first time to see the FBI stumble around and testify without any notes or anything to back up what they said except Trust Us, we're FBI. I thought the whole proceeding smacked of railroad, but Clarice takes strong exception. My impression was strictly as an inexperienced lay person, a first impression kind of thing.

Sara (Squiggler)

I was far too green at the time to make any kind of informed conclusions, but the whole procedure just didn't smell right. Later, when I heard that Hastings was acquitted by a jury for the same charges, I was not surprised. I don't think he would have been impeached if his case was tried in front of the full Senate, but, of course, we will never know.


Wow. Thanks, Sara. Good of you to underline the importance of skepticism re the CW, too.

Sara (Squiggler)

I have my own reasons for thinking that Pelosi is an idiot to dump Harmon in favor of Hastings. If she can't live with Harmon, why take on the Hastings battle? Personally, I would like to see Bud Cramer as Chair, if it has to be a dem., he seems one of the good guys.


Polipundit reviews the Hastings case, and I was wrong when I said Congressmen were subject to the same security checks--UGH--their staffers are but THEY ARE NOT. Outrageous.

Amarillo del Toro

Glaad Groanweed is simply MARVY!!!

David Roknich

First, my thanks to Clarice who referenced the Uranium Documents earlier in this forum. Thanks. I persisted in making them available at great cost to my webserver and my personal life. But on topic, there are some compelling reasons why Pelosi has been trying to remove Harman from the House Intelligence committee. A story is currently developing on my site with sources from the NYT, Tom Hayden, and Wayne Madsen. Jane Harman has openly supported the NSA's illegal domestic spying: she was opposed in the primary in her district for her cozy relationship with Republican insiders and AIPAC.
She will be cleared by investigators for the same reason the Republicans will be cleared. She has cut a secret deal with them. The investigations are a smokescreen for the destruction of evidence and grants of immunity to principles involved that include Larry Franklin and Douglas Fieth in exchange for their "co-operation", which in reality seems to be non-existant.
The story is being written online by one of my few and brave users, and meanwhile I have had to fend off the usuable cyber-attacks from Cogent Communications and their customers that include the very spooky "Cyveillance". Cyveillance, according to their website:
"has the complete process, tools and technology that monitor every hidden corner of the Internet, resulting in the most comprehensive Internet Monitoring Infrastructure. Included are blogs, message boards, junk (spam) email, IRC and more, any language, anytime. Cyveillance far exceeds the scope of traditional search engines, discovering content that would otherwise go undetected."

What they do in reality is well known by server operators. They use their bandwidth to run "spambots" that post comment and "new submission" spam to forums like this one 24/7. They also have phoney search engines that search their target's computers for passwords and personal information. They waste bandwidth and slow down the internet.

They are paid by the government to spy on you. I am putting to getting a comprehensive story, and my only problem is that I have TOO MANY sources.

But back to the heart of the topic. The Harman/Pelosi is up, along with mirrors of the most important sources and the bottom line is that it's much more than a catfight.
It's a matter of principles that has been intentionally made incomprehensible by usual media liars and disinformation operators for reasons that are more than 50 years old.


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