If Magnanimity Does Not Work, Extermination Will









Fast forward to the Twentieth-First Century:

Murderous Child Killing Islamist Fanatic Condemned to Death:











Editor Of Charlie Was Muslim Lover:









Patrice Ayme’

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19 Responses to “If Magnanimity Does Not Work, Extermination Will”

  1. pshakkottai Says:

    What a nice picture of civilization! Why can’t Muslims learn to get along ?


    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Ever since Islam has been invented in its initial, hard-core, literal sense, a book written under the order of a dictator (Uthman), by a committee of generals, it has proven most useful to individuals who went to use military force to grab power. That’s why, a few years after the Turkish army converted to Islam, they had over-run lost of Anatolia, and, in particular, the Kurds and greater Armenia (a very old, and vast state). It had put the Eastern Roman empire on the ropes, and the empire called the Franks to the rescue (hence the First Crusade).

      The military boost Islam fanaticism gives to militarism is in plain sight in Iraq and Syria right now.

      This said, many civilizations, although Muslim, did not feel like, or were not able to, live on a permanent war footing. So nicer, less stupid versions of Islam were invented: there are around 100.

      Persia, a very old civilization, has a particular neurotic relationship with the original Islam (or with the Arabs in general), the important variant known as Shia. For example it allows drawings.

      So, even if most Muslims learn to get along, military minded, piratically minded men, will always view hard core (Salafism, Wahhabism) as the best moral justification they can get…


  2. Laurent Coq Says:

    The OP forgets to mention that Charb was homosexual, as well as that his close friends were saying after his death that he was with Bougrab for her money, also that Charb’s family had never accepted Bougrab…
    Sorry for overshadowing your world 🙂
    And by the way I am not a racist, I am 100% expat since 1990, spent 5 years in x2 Muslims countries, lived three years with a French-Polish Jew, 2 years with a Mauritanian, 7 years with an Asian …


    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Whether Charb was labelled this or that by whoever is besides the point, as Charb had obviously a loving relationship with a lady of “Muslim” descent and culture, in contradiction with the view of those who, in the Anglo-American culture have decided that satire and critique is racism. The latter then claimed he had got to be a racist full of hatred for Muslims.

      The truth is the exact opposite.

      It did not help that the Anglo-Americans extended lots of tolerance to Nazism in the 1930s: it made a bad problem worse. Ultimately France was right about Hitler: tolerance zero was the correct position.

      There are similar situations now with hard core Islamism, Putinism, and the Assad family: too much tolerance encourages those regimes.

      Once again I will not dig into the Charb-Bougrab relationship, and how people react to it. It’s pretty obvious that, as she is a celebrity and past minister of the right (Sarkozy, etc.), and Charb an official “Communist”, his family would find hard the temptation of hating her… I find their attitude pretty lamentable, this being said.

      Last point: lots of “homosexual” are also “heterosexual” (whatever the labels mean)… I did not know the “friends” claim Charb was after her money (she has “money” because she is a lawyer?)

      Seems you are going around. Yeah, some (ephemeral) commenters, and people I talked 5 minutes with, have called me racist, anti-Jew, anti-Arab, anti-German, anti-American, and dozens of other unflattering labels. I can talk of these things precisely because I am not racist. At all. I am a double expat of sorts too. Expat from Africa, ex-pat from Europe…


  3. Kevin Berger Says:

    Re Bougrab & Charb, it seems to be “complicated” indeed, as facebook would put it… BUT, that said, painting him/CH as “racist”, “isalmophobic”, “sexist”,.., as a good part of the US left now holds as a self-evident truth is just wrong it’s funny. It’s not even different cultural standards, really (btw, when I read that France is “culturally arrogant”, I cannot help to understand it as “France is arrogant, because it refuses to (fully) comply with Anglo norms”, be it coming from the usual suspects, or from “progressives”), it’s ideology showing.

    Not that Charlie Hebdo was a parangon of anything, in its worst, it was a decaying, obnoxious left-over from the holier-than-you, libérale-libertaire gauche soixante-huitarde, but, come on… what’s coming out of those “well-meaning”, judgemental progressives in regard to the weekly and what it embodies (embodied?) is just as loony in its own way than the output of their right-wingnuts frennemies.

    Incidentally, I’m kinda wondering what’s your view, from your rather hors-sol (not really meant negatively, that’s why you’re interesting IMHO) vintage point, about the current Franco-français brouhaha about the meaning and consequences of the “11 Janvier”? Meaning Emmanuel Todd, and part of the “anti-system” left as seen from various online ressources, not quite being in agreement, to put it mildly.


    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Agreed about the Charlie Hebdo point of view. I could not figure out what Todd was exactly talking about. Apparently he claims only the France d’en haut (so to speak) is pro-Charlie, a point of view that is obviously absurd.

      Main cause of “11 Janvier’ is bad treatement of the “have nots” in particular bad education for them from racist authorities (who saved money by refusing to educate the poor and immigrant). As an African, I always viewed the Sartre type holier than thou left as crypto-racist. Their reward may turn to be marine le Pen…

      OK, got to totally run, my family is getting angry with me, hahahaha…


  4. Kevin Berger Says:

    “in practice, is that they want an excuse for killing 200 million Shias”

    Well, Alawites in this case, but it still cracks me up – and it is in its own way more shocking than the gorefest of the snuff movies one can now finds all over the web :

    Unrelated, I hope that between the new commentators popping up with some “surprising” content and my own attempts at being noticed, there won’t be an eventual exodus of the old guard and its often interesting inputs.


    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      Yes, hopefully. I hope Dominique recovers from his hospital stay(s). His comments like yours, and Eugen, Partha, John, etc. are much appreciated.

      There are not just Alawites in Syria, and the “Islamist State” gore is about Iraq, where there is a Shia majority… So the drawing interdiction gives an excuse to kill Christians, Zoroastrians, general “Unbelievers” (Hazaris) etc…

      Hopefully the over-excited Nazis have calmed down a bit (not all they said was completely insane all the time). Fortunately for us, and them, I know Nazism better than they do, hahahaha…


  5. Matt Howe Says:

    I think a any religious group should be mature enough to embrace their flaws or take some ribbing. That said, why is it necessary to make light of what people believe is sacred? That’s just disrespectful. But the violence enacted because of such a perceived offense is even worse, much worse.


    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      @ Matt: Of course it is necessary to make light of what people believe is sacred, especially when it is sacred for them to be injurious to others, and when they try to impose their bloody sacred on us. The worst offenders are always asking for “respect” exactly like the Godfather in the opening scenes of the “Godfather”. It’s a Mafia thing. Always is, always has been. Oh, you have to respect us, so you cannot ask any questions, or say anything about our abusive, even murderous ways.


    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      When Salafists say we should not draw prophets, human beings, animals and other alleged creations of “God”, what they truly say, in practice, is that they want an excuse for killing 200 million Shias. To start with. Meanwhile reigning over Europe and America through unabashed terror will do. Next they will ask us to wear a yellow star as they did to Jews and Christians in the Muslim Middle-Ages.


  6. Chris Snuggs Says:

    If Islam had only 100 followers it would be treated with the contempt it deserves like the Moonies.


  7. Chris Snuggs Says:

    Chris Snuggs on Matt Howe’s “any religious group should be mature enough to embrace their flaws ”

    Patrice – ISLAM HAS no flaws as it all emanates from the perfect Mohammed. These people are totally incapable of self-criticism. In the Indian sub-continent and elsewhere you can be whipped, beaten and/or stoned to death for criticising anything in the Koran. ISIS is the perfect embodiment of core ISLAM.


  8. Paul Pieter Kruijmer Says:

    Fuck les muzz!


  9. itsnobody Says:

    The author of this blog site is a real nasty hate-filled person…I thought you were against me criticizing atheists for being racist, Nazi, and White Nationalist as “hate speech” but your rants against Muslims encouraging people to kill Muslims is “free speech”….how nasty and hate-filled.

    I notice you don’t make it a big deal for other civilizations to practice pedophilia (as in age 18 is an adult)…like for instance in modern times in Japan the age of consent is 13…in the Norse European religion people married at age 12 and earlier…in the majority of civilizations people married under the age of 18…in some civilizations age 7-8 was an adult.

    According to modern biology the definition of a sexual adult is the start of puberty, which is age 10-11 for most females, and age 11-12 for most males.

    The Greeks and Romans, as well as the majority of civilizations around the world viewed women as lower, and treated women as inferior much worse than the Muslims…you never say anything bad about any other civilization viewing women as lower.

    You keep celebrating India as a “tolerant” society but in reality Indians treat women much worse than the Muslims do.

    Almost every civilization in the world viewed women as lower, and inferior.


    • Patrice Ayme Says:

      I absolutely condemn pedophilia and never said anything else. India is a country which is a democracy, Muslimia does not exist, as country, so comparing “Muslims” and “India” is what philosophers call a category error.
      You did not just “criticize” atheist, you called them “subhumans”. I am happy to see you progressed. But you were is still long my son, and any passage violating French law will be deleted (French law is the clearest for hate speech, so far).

      There was NEVER any civilization where 7-8 years old was adult, except the one in your mind, apparently. I’m glad to meet such a conversant zero…




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