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[20:14:00] <swmohsin> hello, world!
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[20:15:44] <swmohsin> hi tree
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[21:13:20] <swmohsin> hello everyone
[21:13:44] <swmohsin> i want some help regarding integrating xmpp with an upcoming project
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[21:23:27] <naw> swmohsin: could you be more concrete?
[21:23:36] <naw> *more specific
[21:31:52] <swmohsin> For an upcoming project, I will be using OpenFire on Windows for server side and will write an iPhone client application. I have some very specific questions related to this custom development:   1. How to communicate with XMPP server API without signing in ? I have a specific requirement for a project that when the user first starts the client, even if he isn't registered and/or logged in, he should be able to see a list of some specific chat room users.
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[21:34:57] <naw> as far I know there is no standar way to do that
[21:35:39] <naw> but you could do an anonymous login, get the room list through service discovery and then shhow it to the user
[21:36:48] <naw> or you also could maintain a xml/json file with a list of rooms, retrieve it through http and show it to the user
[21:37:20] <naw> hmmmm you said chat room users, not chat rooms
[21:37:36] <swmohsin> actually ... i just want the new user to see other online or offline users without signing in first .. it can be with or without a room
[21:38:44] <swmohsin> it's actually a location based social network app that i have to program for iphone
[21:39:00] <naw> that would bypass the subscription model... everyone would be subscribed to everyone
[21:40:18] <swmohsin> when the user will start the application ... he will see a list of users who are near his location .. with their status. online, offline (last seen x time ago)
[21:40:52] <Zash> default to anon auth and disco the muc host
[21:40:58] <naw> I'm not sure on how could it be achieved and I have to go. Just hang on here until some one answer, or send the question to the jdev mail list
[21:42:15] <swmohsin> @zash thanks.
[21:42:36] <swmohsin> so anon auth will do the trick and it will show me a list of users in a muc
[21:43:07] <swmohsin> ok without adding another person as a buddy ... can i query for the time when he got offline ?
[21:43:29] <swmohsin> from the xmpp doc ... i was able to figure out that this is possible for friends only ... i'm not sure
[21:44:03] <Zash> um, duno, I don't think prosody saves that
[21:44:19] <swmohsin> i'll be using openfire
[21:44:34] <swmohsin> but if it's in xmpp ... the servers are supposed to implment this, right ?
[21:44:39] <Zash> I don't know if openfire does that either
[21:44:59] <Zash> You should go ask openfire devs/support ppl about that
[21:45:05] <naw> [23:42:36] <swmohsin> so anon auth will do the trick and it will show me a list of users in a muc <- yes, as long as the room is configured to have a public participant list [23:43:07] <swmohsin> ok without adding another person as a buddy ... can i query for the time when he got offline ? <- I think that the last activity xep requires that you have to be subscribed (added as buddy) to that contact
[21:45:20] <naw> due to privacy concerns
[21:45:50] <Zash> naw: depends on the client
[21:45:59] <Zash> the last activity thing
[21:46:09] <swmohsin> hmm .. .since it'll be my own server ... can i do that myself .. i mean write some server side or client side stuff that just stores last logout time for EVERYONE
[21:46:35] <naw> no, the offline time depends on the server, since the client is offline :p
[21:46:46] <naw> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0012.html#security
[21:46:47] <Zash> And *now* I notice this is jdev, and not the prosody room
[21:47:21] <swmohsin> ok .. how am i supposed to use extended user information ?
[21:47:36] <naw> swmohsin: I guess that it will be already implemented, just that is not public for everyone
[21:48:04] <swmohsin> i mean i want to store 'favorite quotation' ... 'latitude' longitude etc of the user ... wall posts etc
[21:48:05] <naw> extended user information ?
[21:48:21] <Zash> swmohsin: There's PEP based specs for that
[21:48:23] <swmohsin> can i do that using only xmpp protocol or i have to integrate xmpp thing with my own server side code
[21:49:00] <naw> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0080.html <- user location
[21:49:38] <naw> I guess that you would have to extend a bit the protocol for the things that are not covered
[21:50:06] <swmohsin> although i have no idea how to do that but i'll look it up.
[21:50:17] <swmohsin> i am currently looking at xep-0080 geolocation
[21:51:10] <swmohsin> my iphone app is supposed to send current use rlocation to the server ... does this mean that i can just use this extension and it will be propagated to all my buddies ?
[21:51:29] <naw> take a look to pep as a method to publish and get notified about information
[21:51:38] <swmohsin> but i want to broadcast this information to all the online users .. not just my connections/buddies
[21:52:09] <naw> it will be propagated to those subscribed to that contact
[21:52:19] <swmohsin> oh
[21:52:40] <naw> I guess that you could modify the server to mkake all users subscribed to everyone
[21:52:55] <swmohsin> yeah ... but i don't wanna do that at this stage.
[21:53:04] <naw> maybe you can configure it (shared roster) without modifiyng the server
[21:53:09] <swmohsin> i'm very new to xmpp .. it's my first project and i ahven't started programming for it yet
[21:53:22] <swmohsin> hmm ... thanks for the pointer
[21:54:14] <naw> by the way, maybe openfire doesn't call it that way, I think that it's the name of that in ejabberd
[21:54:39] <naw> bye
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[21:54:47] <swmohsin> i see. what about if i want to integrate stuff with my own website/db
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