Fuck You, Anti Vaxxers.

This has been a long time coming. I’m always nice when it comes to the anti science brigade because I figure being dismissive isn’t that helpful. But it’s Friday, and in the spirit of Fuck You Friday, and in light of some of the most scoff worthy rhetoric surfacing from the lunatic fringe deep in the bowels of the internet I have to say something.


Look, I know some of you parents out there are confused and some may even be acting on bad information. I totally get that for some people vaccination is terribly scary and they don’t know who to listen to once the fear mongering starts. If that’s you, then take a seat, because I’m not referring to you. I’m after the big guns. The Tennpenneys, Mercolas, and Blaylocks. The internet conspiracy crusaders who perpetuate this utter crap because – and this is the really important part – they fucking make money out of spreading misinformation that endangers kids lives.

Here’s precisely how their toxic influence spreads , because batshit crazy people pass it along as legitimate.

For instance, earlier this week, a wackaloon called “Modern Alternative Mama”  (apparently “Batshit Crazy Mama” was already taken by Meryl Dorey) posted an article called “Five Reasons Why Measles Is Better Than Autism.” Judging from her page, this woman has a long track record of spouting more conspiracy theories than a Donald Trump campaign rally. (We’ll get to him in just a bit).

And these people are batshit crazy. I actually came across a conversation between antivaxxers on a Facebook page where the fools were arranging marriages between their teenage children because they didn’t want them marrying the vaccinated who might pressure them into following accepted medical protocol and – sit down for this bit – their grandchildren might inherit their damaged vaccinated DNA. Also, autism something something.

At this point, anyone with a shred of common sense and respect for science understands that vaccines are not linked in any way, shape or form to autism. But the Tin Foil Brigade not only continues to try to make the link, they continue to fear monger about autism at the same time. Here’s an idea: Spend less time searching for paleo party bags and steaming your vagina in non fluoridated water and more time reading blogs by and talking to people who are actually autistic. Maybe you will learn that the baseless pseudoscience garbage you are spewing is hate speech.

When a Cheezel-coloured fuck-knuckle like Donald Trump joins your cause, you know you are on the wrong side of history.


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Fuck you, too, to the enablers who allow this anti-vax misinformation to flourish without calling bullshit. Hear those cries?! Those are the sounds of science teachers everywhere, saying, “I can’t believe she passed along a vaccine meme from David ‘Avocado” Wolfe!” “I can’t believe he cited Mercola.com as a source!” “Are they out of their MINDDs?!”



Fuck you Avocado (not the fruit, it’s healthy and delicious), and Evans and Food ‘Babe’. Fuck you anyone that gleefully profits from selling something we know to be false and dangerous. Fuck you for scaring decent parents into questioning their GPs who actually know better. Fuck you for thinking that your ‘research’ on google can be compared in the same conversation as the actual research performed in a lab by actual qualified scientist who get the scientific method and have actually studied for half their lives to make sure they get their findings right. Won’t somebody please think of the poor spotty scientists locked away in laboratories for the good of humanity?

Fuck you to the most deranged members who attack parents of children who have died from or who are fighting vaccine preventable diseases. Just this week, a Sydney family came under fire from anti-vax lunatics while their baby girl was fighting for her life. And who can forget how viciously baby Riley’s parents have been attacked since losing their precious newborn baby boy to whooping cough? Too bad there isn’t a vaccine to cure epic douchery.

And all you crunchy kale eating himalayan salt lamp loving mofos that look at us like we’re shooting heroin into our eyeballs when we vaccinate our kids or don’t shop organic or give our kids Panadol. Fuck you for telling us with a condescending smile that natural is always better. You know what’s fucking natural? Polio, Tuberculosis and small pox. Not to mention dying from a slight chill at the age of 37 because antibiotics haven’t been invented yet.

And while we’re at it, a simple thank you would be enough. I vaccinate my kids and so do most other people, and that means that your kids are more likely to be safe even though their parents think they know better than all the smartest doctors and scientists in the world, all the major health authorities and even Dr Karl. So the teeny tiny risk that I take for my children, (about 1 in 3,000,000 according to the CDC and even then a full recovery is likely), actually saves your kids from deadly disease despite the fact that you won’t.

So until you offer your sincerest thanks for our efforts and deepest apologies for making money out of putting kids at risk, I’m not going to be nice and calm and rational in discussing all the ways you are selfish and clueless and ethically bankrupt. Fuck you.


About the author

Kate Parker is a writer, science lover and Violet Crumble enthusiast. She writes about anything and everything from vaccination to parenting, filling in the gaps with a healthy dose of satire. Kate is joined by an anonymous friend who lives and breaths autism acceptance and who spends more time than she would like battling pseudoscience bullshit that scares and misleads.

You can follow her blog The Online Watercooler here.



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  1. My younger brother had a reaction to one of his immunisations as a baby. He stopped breathing in his sleep and suffered severe brain damage as a result. And even I have immunised my own children. Come on people!

    1. Honest question: how do you know that what happened to your brother was in any way related to his immunization?

    2. My younger brother had a reaction that caused brain damage too- and I co wrote this article! Hope he’s well Nicola.

      1. Wait a minute… You have a relative who suffered brain damage from immunizations, but fuck people who are skeptical of immunizations?

        Skepticism is not crazy. Arranging marriages based on obviously false information is. Stop lumping these people into the same category.

        1. Reread the article – I didn’t say fuck skeptics. I said fuck people who knowingly spread false information that endangers the lives of children for profit.

          The fact that my brother had a reaction meant when I had my own children, ( and before we knew why he had the reaction, information that has only just come to light recently), I had to find out everything I could about vaccination. I had lengthy conversations with my OB and GP, my OB read through his patient files to get genetic reports and other medical information.

          Being skeptical is a good thing. Knowing who to trust with your skepticism is even better. In the end, the anti vaccination lobby always comes down to a grand conspiracy theory – it has to because all the medical research done so far does not fall their way and neither does the global medical consensus. And like most people, I am far more skeptical of people like Joe Mercola, who has an huge finical interest in anti vaccination, than I am of the entire medical fraternity, most of whom do not live in mansions in the Hollywood Hills.

    1. Credit to Kate Parker from The Online Watercooler. She wrote the piece with another anonymous mum of an autistic daughter.

      1. Well Kudos to the writers. I have a kid with organ transplant and has had chemo, so vaccines are so important for our world!!

  2. You did well, and I really thank you. FoodBabe stirred up a lot this week on this topic, and as a pro-vax mama I found myself explaining herd immunity so many times (“but if you’re vaccinated, why do you care if I’m not?” Because I listened for 35 seconds to the simple science of vaccines and am not a selfish dick who won’t do her civic duty). And then I tried to defend neurodiversity, but that was also like talking to rubber mannequins

    Anyway, I’m trying to say this helped and thank you!

  3. We can now add Dr Rachel from the TV show “The Doctors.” It seems she watched “Vaxxed”, and has forgotten everything she learned in medical school and residency in favor of ‘seeing the light.’ Excuse me while my head explodes in rage.

    1. Unfortunately, there’s a lot more money in anti vaccination and niche marketing than there is in actual medicine. Another one bites the dust!

  4. Hahaha this article is actually a joke as if you did your research you would know that there is paediatricians, gps and university professors who are helping to spread the word about the damage vaccines iare doing to our bodies. Autoimmune diseases new strains of illnesses definitely isn’t coming from not vaccinating our children it is coming from injecting them with chemicals and known carcinogens that aren’t even aloud to be put in food yet they are aloud to be injected into our bodies. It is the government and big pharma who pay people to spread the word at how amazing vaccines are not the other way around you absolute fool!

    1. So you don’t understand the difference between allowed and aloud, yet you think you know better than all the doctors and researchers in the world regarding vaccines?

      1. You were so kind in your assessment of their ability to effectively communicate! Between the lack of proper punctuation, poor spelling, and terrible grammar, I’m really not certain what they were trying to say. Something about “toxinzzz”, I think!

      2. You are the fool,if you had half a brain you would know that BIG PHARMA would make more money treating the disease than preventing it. Do you want to go back to the days when 400 plus died per year from measles just in the U.S.A and many thousands suffered life long injuries,

    2. Do me (and yourself) a favour and learn how to spell before you type rants like this. Your ignorance of the English language speaks volumes. I might be more willing to pay attention and consider your point if you used correct spelling and grammar. Instead, you just proved how ignorant and uneducated you truly are. Sad.

    3. Oh yes the chemikillz. You get that water is a chemical right? You are made of chemicals. Everything is chemicals. Not to take away from the whole pharma conspiracy thing, but they didn’t invent chemicals.

    4. Seriously? You *seriously* believe that? I’ve always wondered what exactly anti-vaxers believe is the motive of “Big Pharma” and the “Government” in all of this. If you really want to get down to the conspiracy and quest for extra money argument, I’ve got to tell you that the worst way to get money out of someone is the kill them. Or cripple them in such a way that they are unable to make enough money to be worth taking away from them.

      I actually work for “Big Pharma” and the “Government” as an immunologist, and you could not be any more wrong in suggesting that I do it for the money – there *is* no money in the field. There’s critically low funding for research – even if that research could be used to suck more money into “Big Pharma”. I could be earning twice as much as I do as a research science.

      I’m not doing this for the money. No one in the field is doing it for the money. We’re doing it because we want to help lessen the suffering of others.

      Also, autoimmune diseases are not new strains of illnesses. I know, because I have one. And, you know, I actually know how immunology works, given I have a PhD in it. Suggesting that they are new strains of microbes is incredibly insulting and insensitive to people who have them. You’re basically saying that it’s their fault that their body is literally trying to kill them.

      But I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt in this one. If you can give me a scientific explanation as to how and why autoimmune diseases are caused by new strains of microorganisms, back up your claims in detail, and reference data from peer reviewed scientific journal (preferable with an Impact Factor of 2 or greater), I will change my opinion on the matter.

      Because that’s what science is all about; the adaptation of understanding based on new evidence.

  5. My child is on the autism spectrum. He happens to have a genetic syndrome. I have come to terms with the genetic aspect. I know all about the syndrome as I research and read everything I can about it. I also live it everyday .
    I just roll my eyes when someone tells me that if I hadn’t vaccinated my son he would be normal…..really …..don’t spread that fear mongering here. I just walk away chanting fuck you all the way cause there isn’t any reasoning with rabid antivaxxers!
    Thanks……you verbalized some of the my very thoughts! If I had a dime for every time I heard this shit from people when they meet my child…I could retire,

        1. wait, why does a legal requirement make the information any less important and true? also, per the below, an adverse event is still an adverse event!

  6. And another erstwhile MD who left her degree in her other pants: the Green Party’s presidential candidate Jill Stein, who thinks there are “real questions” about vaccine safety (but oh, no, she’s not anti-vax!). She also thinks WiFi is harmful to kids., and the CDC is run by Big Pharma. Tin Foil Sergeant.

    1. Yes, she’s a bona fide nut case. It seems only one Presidential Candidate has any understanding of actual science.

  7. wow. aren’t you a nasty SOB who clearly has no idea what you are talking about!!!

    So… how much ‘profit’ do ‘anti-vaxxers’ make? Oh that’s right – they don’t! Doctors who speak up tend to lose their jobs, their careers systematically destroyed beforehand by people higher up the chain of command!

    I am curious, however, as to how much YOU are making with this slanderous post? And don’t insult my intelligence by trying to claim that you are not – we both know that would be an outright lie.

    Parents who speak up often only do so after their child has already been damaged by the vaccines. Or because they have thoroughly researched this – unlike you. NOT simply by googling, but studying and researching and even using their eyes to observe, and simple common sense and logic.

    I refuse to stoop to your level.

    Shame on you for spreading lies and propaganda.

    Shame on you for refusing to actually research a topic you clearly know so little about.

    Shame on you for denigrating people who actually give a damn about their children and themselves, who want their children to be safe and well.

    Shame on you for refusing to show any compassion whatsoever to those who dare to actually think for themselves, but rather responding in anger and outrage because it is so very much easier to simply believe whatever you are told by a small leaflet or doctor who doesn’t really explain things properly anyway, and who has NOT researched and studied into the immune system.

    Oh – nice google effort to find a picture by the way. Now grow up and stop being a vicious little hate monger against them with their audacity to THINK and to research. And yes – we both know that you are just doing what are being paid to do – but really it would be so much better if you had the courage and morality to do what is RIGHT.

    1. Hey now, Far Kew isn’t the vicious little SOB, that’s me. I co wrote this piece. Big Pharma pales in comparison to Big Natural when it comes to vaccines.

      In 2014 vaccines were worth $2 billion in the US market. Natural therapies were worth $34 billion. And in fact in Australia there are very few vaccine manufacturers because it’s not very profitable with our small population. But have you seen the mansion Joe Mercola lives in? It puts the celebrity shacks to shame.

      Am I being paid for this article. Nope, not a cent. Doctors do study the immune system- quite a bit actually!


    2. google is not research. Research is research. Real research says you an your kind are wrong. Completely.

      Now go and read some real research.

      As for the profit: mercola, Avacada and food babe do have a shop… or do they give it away?

    3. Asha, you know, you’ll have to let me know who it is I am meant to be being paid by – I haven’t received my cheque yet? Or ever before? But I’m quite curious re reading your comment as to what your agenda is. You with the AVsN? Tell Meryl I say hi. Oh, and did she ever find the missing donation money that lost you guys your charity status? Just curious, being a big pharma shill and all.

    4. Hey, Asha, look, I did my research. Google says you’re a brainless fucktard who should take a vow of silence, so people’s heads don’t explode due to being exposed to your idiocy. Google also suggest you never reproduce, because according to some “studies” the probability that your children will be brainless fucktard just like you exceeds 248.91%.

      Surely you are going to act accordingly, since you are prone to believing everything anyone says without even a shred of prove and use Google as your one and only source of information, right? 🙂

      If you refuse to act accordingly, you shall henceforth be ignored by every person on this planet, until you have educated yourself on… well, anything, really, I’m not picky. 😉 Howgh, so speaks the almighty God of OhMyGodNotAnotherOneOfThoseIdiots.

  8. Fuck you too!! Our son almost died from the dtap (NOT rare). Oh, and if you did your fucking research you would know that this mother “diligently” got the Tdap in her 3rd trimester, had all of her other children vaccinated as well as other family members. Her son caught it! Fully Vaxxed! So. Do NOT blame this on people who choose not to poison their children, you half wit. Might actually do you some good to know that the dtap is a toxoid vaccine, meaning it only “works” after exposure, it does not work in preventative measures. Never mind the fact the bacteria has evolved and isn’t covered by the current vaccine. OH! Also that those who get vaccinated with the dtap are still able to contract whooping cough when exposed, yet show no symptoms (asymptomatic) so they’re able to spread it unsuspectingly to others… OH! And the area they live in is one of the highest vaccinated in the country….Loves science… Laugh my ass off.

    1. My brother did die after a reaction to a TDap vax and I co wrote the article. Yes I get it- there is a chance of a reaction, usually due to an underlying illness or allergy that is undiagnosed. 1 in 3 million according to the CDC statistics from a 2015 study which used 25 million vaccinations as data points. And even then, in the one very serious reaction out of 25 million the patient fully recovered.

      I did my research. I’ve readmedicak joirnal articles, accounts by immunology experts and statements from health.gov.au as well as the CDC, AMA and WHO. But even the phrase ‘did my research’ makes me uncomfortable when it comes to vaccines. Sure, I’ve investigated this more than the average parent through my work. But even then I wouldn’t be arrogant enough to compare myself to the actual researchers who spend decades of their lives learning how to perform robust scientific research and then carrying it out. So I tend to listen to them.

      1. Well I have done my research. I used immunologists, MD’s, Paeds, and my husband who is a biochemist. Our son was perfect. Nothing wrong. We had been researching vaccines for the better part of a decade after we had selectively vaccinated our daughter and stopped when she was 12 months. We were bullied into this one vaccine because there was an “epidemic” in our area. We gave it to him against our better judgement and we almost lost him. We have now found out why. He has the MTHFR gene mutation (as does 50% of the population), and so he is at risk for vaccine damage. You see, he cannot eliminate and detox heavy metals which are at high quantities in vaccines. I would bet your brother had this gene mutation as well due to his reaction and subsequent death, which I am sorry to hear. If babies were tested at birth to see if they had this gene, we wouldn’t have so many reactions or deaths (it would be so easy-that heel prick is perfect for it). It is NOT one in a million, as most reactions are put off as “coincidence”. And as far as Autism being “genetic”, well, this is the largest and only genetic epidemic ever. I urge you to google the cdc cover up with their autism studies…. Do not blame us. We do not spread these diseases. If you look at the stats, it is fully vaccinated people that are getting them. We are doing our best to keep our children healthy and alive…

        1. My brother had Dravet’s syndrome. Not a gene mutation. Fully vaccinated people are less likely to spread and catch disease. There are about 20 times more people that are vaccinated than unvaccinated. So while it may seem like the disease is prevalent amongst the vaccinated, it’s just because there are far more people that have had the vaccine. A person exposed to measles has a 90% chance of catching the disease unless they’re fully vaccinated- in which case they have a 1% chance.

      2. Stop being afraid of these treatable diseases. Did you know that high doses of intravenous vitamin c can stop pertussis in its tracks? Doctors don’t even realise this. Look up Dr. Suzanne Humphries and her a vitamin C protocol…. Eye opening.

        1. They may be treatable but they do kill. 2 in a thousand for measles, 1 in 100 for whooping cough. Those are great reasons to be afraid of vaccine preventable disease.

    1. I have. See above. My brother died from a rare form of epilepsy which triggered a vaccine injury. A real one- not autism, which is a neurological difference and not a vaccine injury. I’ve not only seen it I’ve lived it for two years while he died slowly and in pain.

      I still vaccinate. I’d rather the odds of my kids being 1 in 3,000,000 than the 1 in 100 that will die from whooping cough if not vaccinated.

  9. I’m a huge proponent of individual freedom UNLESS it effects others. People have the right to read all of the woo they want. But they do NOT have the right to allow their children to be a walking biohazard.

    1. Why are people who vaccinate so worried about those who choose not to vaccinate if these wonderful, mercury-laden vaccines are so great, then??? Seems as if the argument for vaccines loses a bit of credibility if people insist everyone must get vaccinated, bc people who do vaccinate are worried those who don’t vaccinate will make their already vaccinated kids sick… If your kid is vaccinated and these vaccines are such a godsend or “big bangsend” (whatever one believes) then what’s the bid deal if we let people make their own choices? If it’s truly so wonderful, the people who do vaccinate should be good to go, and if those who don’t are supposedly so stupid not to, then their children will all get sick and die, right? But vaccines are so great, so if you do it, you’ll be safe which is why it’s imperative we all get vaxxed, amiright?! Where’s the logic there? Never understood that argument. ” get vaxxed bc I vaxxed my kids, which makes me feel safe (if they don’t die, or become impaired, that is..) And if YOU don’t do it to yor kids, my already, supposedly safe kids might catch the black plague or some shit, cause you didn’t vax.” ?Wait? What?? Makes NO SENSE!!!

      1. Because maybe, just maybe, we are concerned about the infants too young to be vaccinated, about chemotherapy patients, about transplant patients, others with compromised immune systems. These people often cannot have vaccines. Chemotherapy can cause a fully vaccinated person to lose immunity they had created. Transplant immunosuppression can make it difficult to create antibodies.

        We aren’t worried about the healthy kids who are fully vaccinated. We are worried about those who can’t be.

        1. The cdc and WHO are now recommending chemotherapy patients to be vaccinated…. Yet they post in their wards that “if you have recently been vaccinated against chicken pox or measles, mumps and rubella, do not enter this ward”. Know why? Because they are live, attenuated vaccines and can shed. Immunocompomied individuals could seriously suffer or die.

        2. So you say that you are concerned about the “others” that can’t be vaccinated. You vax your kids to protect others. Sounds like you’re quite fine with sacrificing your own flesh and blood for the greater good. Unbelievable!

          Also if you have so much concern and compassion for others (but not your own), then you’d have concern and compassion for the parents of vax injured children. Or concern for children who may become injured. But you don’t.

          1. “You vax your kids to protect others.” Nope. We vaccinate our kids to protect them from diseases. We need science-illiterates to do the same to get herd immunity high enough so those can’t be vaccinated to be protected too.

            You don’t seem to understand that the only reason you think a 1 in 3000000 on a reaction is bad, is because unvaccinated children are protected by that very herd immunity.

            Also, compassion is not the same as ‘believing stupid internet non-science’

      2. Okay, so first you’re a little behind the times. Mercury hasn’t been used in vaccines since 2001 (even though thimerisol is actually import emu safe). And guess what? Reaction rates stayed stable and autism rates still rose. Second, the basest of all anti vax arguments is ‘if vaccines are so great, why do you care if I don’t vaccinate my kids?’ I have to say, of all the anti vax discussions I’ve had its the least informed and least interesting. Herd immunity. Look it up.

        1. I’m talking about aluminium. It was increased and intoduced to vaccines after Mercury was “removed” (seriously, watch the doco “Trace Amounts”). Heavy metal.

      3. Maybe read up on herd immunity (from a scientifically sound source), and then think about those people who cannot be vaccinated. The herd being immune protects those vulnerable.

        See: it does make sense. If it doesn’t, I’d recommend looking up ‘cognitive dissonance’

  10. As a mom who lost a baby too young to be vaccinated to a now preventable disease – this is perfect. Thank you for taking a stand for our children – not all of us are lucky enough to be able to reach the masses.

  11. Your sources for your argument are purely brilliant. If they are as effective and with as little risk as you say why would anyone question giving them to their babies? Why would mandate discussions be happening instead of parents lining up their children to receive these miracle shots you speak of? Lastly, unless you are up to date on all of the shots on these schedules than how are you not posing the same risks to these vaccinated children as an unvaccinated child? You must be one of the blind never question types.

    1. Diana, most parents are actually lining up to receive the miracle shots. Around 93% at last count.But thank yu for raising an incredibly valid point. Adults do need boosters. Which is why there’s a huge government and AMA campaign to remind parents to get their boosters.

      1. And the majority of us parents who are pro-vaccine for our children DO make sure we are up to date on our own shots. Because we know it’s important.

  12. I have only recently been reading some of the insane rubbish that “anti vaxxers” spruke to their audienece….for a while I questioned my own actions as a Nurse who had vaccinated many children.
    And then I realised that the illnesses that we vaccinate against can be far more damaging than the vaccination.
    Health Management is an evolving Science and we need to stay educated and well informed about the research and the anecdotal information so that we as the Adults or the Elders (in my own case) can support others with their decisions.
    I am pro-vax after months of reading anti-vax info and that is a choice I make through educating myself.
    Thank You to Far Kew for your amazing insight.

  13. Herd immunity results from natural immune response to childhood diseases. Herd immunity in response to vaccines is merely unproven theory. Autism results from unknown/unproven causes which may or may not include vaccines.

    Children shed more disease immediately following many vaccinations than those unvaccinated. Depnds on the type of vaccine

    Guilaine-Barre is a known risk of many vaccines. Vaccines have been referred to as producing ‘necessary risk’ by the FDA.

    So with respect to ‘necessary risk’, what happened to “First do no harm”?

    There is too much research supporting both sides, therefore there must be informed consent and choice.

        1. So, I linked a science blog with references to journal articles, and your response is ‘nuh uh!’

          How about you show me some of that research?

          1. That requires reading something without “natural” or “truth” in the name, so I doubt it’ll happen.






    1. “Herd immunity results from natural immune response to childhood diseases. Herd immunity in response to vaccines is merely unproven theory. ”

      This makes no sense: what you get from a vaccine is a natural immune response, just without getting sick. That’s what vaccines do.

  15. You are a hater. You are the herd mentality of obey obey obey. You spit hate and big pharm propaganda. Congratulations for not thinking for yourself and being a stupid hater.

  16. I co wrote this article. So if you’re going to be nasty, please direct it to me, not Far Kew. Hit me with your best shot.

  17. I had a reaction a ( a benign tumor) when I was about 5 yrs old….but all my kids are fully vaccinated because I won’t risk their or any other child’s health.

  18. “And all you crunchy kale eating himalayan salt lamp loving mofos…” – Okay, I get it (even I laugh at my people sometimes), and very often these people do quote idiot anti-vax peeps who don’t know anything & blindly follow. This divide is irritating as crap to me as I am one of “those” nature loving, spiritual, hippie weirdos… who happens to LOVE science, be adamantly pro vaccination & cannot fathom my friends who post chemtrail “info” on fb.
    I get shot down from both sides. I am half Montague & half Capulet.

  19. Wow oviously not a shred of research done by whoever wrote this article . It’s a joke , I wouldn’t be suprised if theywere sponsored by the cdc or something to write this garbage. As for the people who belive nonsense like this , keep going because the floride must be working

    1. You know, I’m still waiting for my cheque from Big Pharma or the CDC or whoever it is I’m a shill for. I haven’t ‘done my research’ and unless you’re an immunologist, a medical scientist or a health regulator specialising in vaccines, neither have you. I’ve read plenty of journal articles, browsed through the WHO and CDC archives, and I’m up to date on all the major science blogs. I even listen to plenty of science pod casts, (as you can tell from the article, Dr Karl is a particular favourite).

      But I wouldn’t claim to have researched vaccines. That would be pretty arrogant considering there are plenty of actual medical researchers who spend decades in laboratories evaluating the efficacy and safety of vaccines. I imagine google research is a bit of a slap of a face to them.

      1. No toxicologist actually but it doesn’t take a doctorate or PhD to realize putting and foreign chemicals in you body will no doubt have negative side effects, especially at a young age but u enjoy your studies and good luck with them but I’d suggest looking into independent studies instead of the ones made by the companies that make the drugs good luck

        1. I would never bother with studies by pharma companies when it comes to pharma products. That’s a no brainer. But see, I’ve actually linked articles from independent sources – the CDC, WHO and the AMA. Other great sources, (and these are referenced in plenty of the science blogs I’ve posted), include University medical research centres like Ohio State, Harvard and Princeton or NFPs like the Eunice Kennedy Shriver centre. These are all independent and have all come up with the same answers. Vaccines are safe and effective. Surely as a toxicologist, you’d enjoy those sorts of studies too.

          Of course, as a qualified medical toxicologist, you would also be well aware that we are constantly putting foreign chemicals into our bodies in various forms. Hell, we breathe foreign chemicals in the form of oxygen. And don’t get me started on DiHydrogen Monoxide – that stuff be deadly!

          1. If you think they’re safe and effective you’re looking in the wrong place but as a parent even if there’s the slightest chance my kids could get hurt I wouldn’t risk it and apparently no else at the office will either so enjoy your little rants you have going on here you’re getting hits on your so called article so you’ve accomplished somthing but in the end it’s a choice that people have to live with so let them make it on their own with their facts if it’s as important to them as they say they’ll see what’s really up

          2. Lionel there is more than the slightest chance your kids could get hurt or die from measles if they aren’t vaccinated.

        2. Says that he wouldn’t take even the slightest risk of hurting his kids.

          Gladly exposes them to hundreds of deadly diseases, thereby significantly lowering their life expectancy, rather than having them vaccinated.

          You know, if I didn’t know you’re serious, I would shortlist you for our local comedy award. Since, unfortunately, you ARE serious, I shall instead nominate you for a Darwin Award. 🙂

          1. This is just weird. There is every chance your kids could get hurt or killed by vaccine preventable disease. Even if you’re relying on herd immunity to reduce their risk of exposure there’s still tetanus, which you don’t get from someone else, which has a 15% mortality rate even with optimal treatment. Your kid could get this next week. This is a massive risk and I can’t understand why anyone who puts their kid in a car seat to reduce risk would think that this risk is acceptable. And before you say no one gets tetanus there have been two cases in unvaccinated kids in Australia so far this year.

  20. This antivax nonsense needs to be leashed once and for all. And a very short one at that. It’s becoming increasingly widespread and is going to do some serious damage.

  21. I love this! It pisses me off that my future husband’s kids are not vaccinated.. but they aren’t mine so I have no say.. when my son asked one of the kids why they have never had a vaccine her response was “because my mom loves me”. I got so fucking pissed and said “No, your mom did’t not get you vaccinated because she loves you. She didn’t vaccinate you because she doesn’t know any better and someone influenced her by telling her it was bad.” My oldest son has autism.. I do not blame it on vaccines.. it’s what the universe decided and I accept that.

    1. That sounds like a very tough road to navigate! The indoctrination of young children in these sorts of health issues is eerily similar to cult brainwashing. Good luck!

  22. No mater what vacs are given when the time comes, and mother nature wants to be a real bitch, nothing in mans bag of tricks can stop a bug that she unleashes. And it will only stop when shes ready. So all this moaning about who gets what vaccine is not worth it.

    1. We have vaccines that have the potential to literally save millions of lives a year, (almost 400,000 due to just measles alone, and that would be higher if vaccination rates were lower). And your point seems to be that should forget it and just let mother nature have her way because there’s bound to be a bug that will kill us all one day anyway.

      Thanks, but I’ll keep my kids safe until doomsday arrives.

  23. Not an anti-vaxxer, but all this “attack the person(s) and not the argument” is useless. Why don’t you address the anti-vaxxers concerns with all the scientific information you have (cited of course), instead of sounding bat shit crazy yourself.

    1. According to some studies on changing people’s minds, it’s clear that scientific evidence won’t do it.


      or: http://www.vox.com/2015/2/7/7993289/vaccine-beliefs
      which contains the phrase: “The best approach is to create conditions where you don’t have to change as many minds in first place. ” A good way to do that is to show doubters how crazy and marginalised the anti-vaxxers actually are.

      Also, I’m with SciBabe on this: enough is enough. http://www.scibabe.com/antivaxxers/

    2. I have so so many times – right here on this thread in fact! I’ve written quite a few articles about vaccination and vaccination conspiracies, all fully referenced and in a completely different tone. This is tongue in cheek. Although, I confess it was pretty gratifying.

      Besides, this isn’t directed at the average parent, its directed at people that cultivate a high profile and make tonnes of money from anti vaccination. Can you imagine just how morally corrupt you’d have to be to be Andrew Wakefield – to knowingly produce false research and doctored findings including using painful and unnecessary medical procedures on children for a profit, despite the fact that as a doctor you know what you are promoting is deadly? I think fuck you is pretty mild to be honest.

    3. The main problem with this is that immunology is very complex, and the majority of people (vaxxers and anti-vaxxers alike) have done at most high school level science. I’m not trying to be a dick about that, but it’s the actual truth. Because of that it is very, very difficult to explain the immunology involved in vaccination to your avaerage person. The danger of that, of course, is that it’s hard to back up the science with valid data in such a way that the average person can interpret and draw their own informed conclusions.

      I mean, I could present you with more peer reviewed scientific journals than you could poke a stick at, but if you can’t understand what the data means then it’s kind of pointless to do so. That’s why there tends to be a lot of summarizing involved when talking about how vaccines work, the constituents of vaccines and the like.

      But by all means, if you want the data I can provide it. The understanding and interpretation of it I can only leave to the audience.

    4. Like Jeroen said, giving arguments, studies, even scientific proof for your point won’t convince them. Some of them are just too stupid to understand what you are showing them (this might sound rude, but it’s actually true), the rest are too far gone to differentiate between their wild conspiracy theories and reality. Show them scientific proof, it will be “wrong” or “Big Pharma manipulated/payed for it” or something along those lines.

      Crazy as it might seem, the only way to drive the point home is by ridiculing these people and showing them how batshit crazy they actually are. As long as they only hear the same views (their own views) repeated and are congratulated for their choices, they have no reason to change anything. And they won’t go out of their way to read a study by that one person (or so it seems to them) that doesn’t agree with them. However, if enough people tell them, right to their faces, that they think them and their attitudes idiotic or believe all anti-vaxxers are barking, there is a chance it will give them pause. If not for the right reasons, then at least because they will wonder how they can stop those annoying opinions that differ from their owns.
      And especially with anti-vaxxers an additional aspect is that an incredibly high amount of them doesn’t refuse vaccines because they actually believe to be doing the best for their children, but for their own ego. So hurting their ego because of the one thing they try to inflate it with might very well lead them to think their attitude over again.

      Of course, that’s not the nicest way of discouraging anti-vaxxers, but since it appears to be the only thing that works, I say bring on the ridicule!

  24. I love your no nonsense, kick-ass attitude. Keep fighting the fight, I’m right there with you. Great article that says out loud what most of us sane people are thinking.

  25. Dear Kate and Far Kew,

    I have started a new page and would love to have your (very easy) participation. When you have a few moments, stop by and give it a visit, and then shoot me a message if you’d like!

    Sending you both much love and light!!

  26. Thank you Kate for writing this. The Antivax Nutjobs will never be convinced. BUT they influence a lot of other normal people who just don’t know. I almost had to beg my sister in law to get a flu shot to protect her partner (who has severe emphysema and could be killed by a bad flu). Luckily S.I.L. listened to her GP.


  28. From reading these comments, it is evident to me that some people don’t understand the concept of herd immunity at all. As a result, I would like to make a comparison to help put into terms they might understand. So to the people who won’t feed their kids an apple because of its aluminum content, let’s please compare herd immunity in vaccines, as the condoms of sex.

    Although condoms (vaccines) are not 100% effective, if everyone, that could use them, used them, then the chances of the girl or boy with a latex allergy (i.e: immunosuppression), getting an STI (i.e: polio) would be significantly lower, and over time, many sti’s (preventable diseases) could even be eradicated almost completely.

    No one ever has said “don’t use condoms because they aren’t totally effective”, because at the end of the day you could be saving yourself from a case of syphilis in which you would be running to the pharm companies (that we hate so much) for treatment; or do we pin STI on them for forcing people to have unsafe sex also?

  29. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. As an adult autistic myself, who is old enough to not have had many vaccines as a kid (lived through measles, rubella, chickenpox, shingles and mumps, got MY kid vaccinated as a result) I sometimes want to say ‘fuck you, you ignorant shitheads!!’ too. I used to know a scientist (PhD in molecular biology) and she told me flat out once that ‘science doesn’t work like that!’ in relation to the whole ‘just in it for the money’ thing.
    Truth is, scientists have this bad rep, and i don’t really know why. Too many movies of the mad scientist? Negative images in the media? What i do know, is that there is no link between autism and vaccines, measles is NOT better than autism (having experienced both, and seen the results of what happens when a pregnant mother gets rubella), BUT i also know there is no convincing the wacko nut jobs. Sigh.

  30. There is simply no scientific evidence that links mercury or vaccines to autism. Many, many, many studies have confirmed this. The most recent Cochrane systematic review of research on the MMR vaccine included six self-controlled case series studies, two ecological studies, one case crossover trial, five time series trials, 17 case-control studies, 27 cohort studies and five randomized controlled trials. More than 15 million children took part in this research. No one could find evidence that vaccines are associated with autism.

    Also see: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/05/25/7-things-about-vaccines-and-autism-that-the-movie-vaxxed-wont-tell-you/

    And: https://www.aap.org/en-us/Documents/immunization_vaccine_studies.pdf

  31. The Smith family live off their land on their farm, in the country. They all have never been vaccinated and are never sick. The parents are aged 35 and 40, the kids 12 and 13. They don’t spray anything, eat organic, drink filtered rainwater, get plenty of Vitamin D and exercise, and are happy and joyful.
    They then enter the unfortunate city world to live right where you live, in fact the kids are registered to go to the same school as your kids.
    Your city is awash with the usual load of disease and illness.

    Is your world now threatened by the Smith family?

        1. SONNY – It’s the unvaccinated that are allowing virusses and diseases that have been all but eradicated due to vaccination to make a come-back. So yes that unvaccinated child is a threat not only to themselves but to the vulnerable people in the community who either haven’t been vaccinated, can’t be vaccinated or have reduced immunity due to illness or medication.

  32. To quote Histiomom upthread:


    These people rely on herd immunity to not get sick.

    1. This blog site is a typical embarrassing and irrational scientifically illiterate babble of nonsense. It is an insult to those parents whose children have been affected, (albeit a very small percentage) that they needed to ‘act accordingly’ and ‘be intelligent’, and certainly don’t be one of those ‘anti- vax nutters’ to not question anything prior to their vaccinations. They now know who the real nutter is.

      It really is about as irrational as thinking that there are no side effects to any drugs that have been approved, and that humans should simply accept anything that adorns the wall of pharmacies.

      Thankfully, I take no part in modern medicine or health care whatsover because i represent the less than 0.5% of the population who live a naturally healthy life – the kind most people can’t get their head around to understand – no different than how i can’t get my head around why you need vaccinations and drugs from pharmacies. I feel sorry for you.

      If just half the population actually paid more attention to their health instead of your mobiles, cars, hairstyles, reality TV crap etc, then you wouldn’t be in the mess you are in, and you wouldn’t even need this blog site.

      No offence to Kate, but Science and Violet crumbles don’t mix. Again, if we actually had a population who took their health more seriously, our health system would look very different, as would this blog site.

    2. So all disease would be eradicated in a fully vaccinated population huh? Is vaccination required in a fully unvaccinated 30,000 population of healthy individuals who are all alive and well and live in the amazon, who suffer a bare minimum carnage of poor health and casualties compared to that of a fully vaccinated disease stricken western world population?

      1. “So all disease would be eradicated in a fully vaccinated population huh?”
        Who said that? But if enough people (globally!) where vaccinated for disease X, then yeah, that disease it would be eradicated.

        As for the second example: you obviously know nothing about his. You’re comparing an isolated group of people with people who are in contact with loads of other people. Want to guess how disease spread? Or is germ theory also one of those things we don’t understand?

        1. Even a completely isolated population isn’t safe from diseas. Both viruses and bacteria mutate and evolve with each generation. It only takes a specific mutation of a harmless bactera or virus to become a potential hazzard to humans. Look at bird flu for instance, this normally affects birds but there are two strains of bird flu that can affect humans.

  33. Fuck u as u say it i seen it happened y can’t the doctors give one vaccine for one illness at a time and y does the vaccine have to have harmful chemicals like mercury until they charge this then no recommendation from me

  34. Love the article! Former research scientist and pissed-off at the decline in funding for research in general that seems at least partly influenced by this insane anti-science philosophy.

  35. Know your ingredients: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf
    Know your side effects: https://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts
    Know your risks: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/chapters.html

    This law violates our 7th Amendment – 7TH Amendment to the constitution states: In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, then according to the rules of the common law.
    1983: A healthy-born child according to the CDC vaccination schedule [2] receives 6 vaccines in the first 15 months of life. The autism rate is 1:10,000. https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html

    2017: A healthy-born child according to the CDC vaccination schedule [3] receives 23 vaccines in the first 15 months of life. The autism rate is 1:68. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6103a1.htm

    1986: Law created to give vaccine manufacturers immunity from all liability. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/300aa-22

    Notice a correlation but not a causation above? This correlation does not causation statement is integrated within the medical community and states that vaccines are never the cause of anything. Can you honestly say with a straight face say this to be true?

    The great study they refer to that vaccines do not cause Autism is from this guy!
    OIG Fugitive: Poul Thorsen

  36. The term SIDs was coined in 1969 because before 1969 it was rare for a perfectly healthy baby to just die. 48 years later they still have no idea why a perfectly healthy baby just dies, yet the same industry has added 74 vaccines to the childhood vaccine schedule. Maybe this can provide you and your husband some insight. This is the ingredients for the dtap vaccine. Aluminum Phosphate: The health department of NJ considers this a hazardous substance.
    Formaldehyde: You can feel sick if you breathe it but hey an injection should be so much better. We use it on dead people and it causes cancer.
    Glutaraldehyde: used as a disinfectant and as a fixative for biological tissues.
    2-phenoxyethanol: Harmful if swallowed, causes skin irritation, Causes serious eye irritation. But no problem injecting into a baby, right?
    Stainer-Scholte medium: Pertussis
    casamino acids: bovine milk proteins (what if your baby is allergic to milk?)
    dimethyl-beta-cyclodextrin: Used to help stimulate growth of Pertussis
    Mueller’s growth medium: proteins with diphtheria and tetanus: casein with additional cystine and tyrosine, beef heart infusion, glucose, and inorganic salts.
    ammonium sulfate: Harmful if swallowed, causes skin irritation, causes serious eye irritation, may cause respiratory irritation, toxic to aquatic life with long lasting effects. But hey a baby will have no problem with this one!
    modified Mueller-Miller casamino acid medium without beef heart infusion, used to grow the disease.
    2-phenoxyethanol: Toxic substance
    Your hatred should be overwhelming and the conversation around the world should be in outrage over the disgust that someone could do such harm to another person by injecting any single one of these products into a human being!
    However, the CDC combines these ingredients and tells you they are safe and effect; you believe, and therefore no one goes to jail and no crime is considered committed when the baby, child, or adult; dies, becomes disabled, or ill.
    The ingredients above are just those in the dtap vaccine. Babies receive the following vaccines prior to the dtap: Vitamin k (bet you didn’t know that was a vaccine), Hepatitis B1 (3 doses), Rotavirus2 (3 doses), Haemophilus influenzae type b4, Pneumococcal5, Inactivated poliovirus6, Measles, mumps, rubella8, Varicella9, Hepatitis A10, Meningococcal11 (Hib-MenCY ≥6 weeks; MenACWY-D ≥9 mos; MenACWY-CRM ≥2 mos), Meningococcal11 (MenACWY-D ≥9 mos; MenACWY-CRM ≥2 mos), Influenza7 (optional). These are the vaccines prior to the dtap!
    Doesn’t this show you the magnitude of deception perpetrated on us; the public, by the scientific community? Please stop blaming the victims of vaccination injury, we vaccinated our children for the herd!
    2017 CDC schedule: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/downloads/child/0-18yrs-child-combined-schedule.pdf

  37. Vaccines do NOT cause autism.

    Autism is a behavioral diagnosis. In order to receive the diagnosis of “Autism” a child must exhibit a certain number of behaviors over a certain time frame. If he or she does not do so, the diagnosis of “autism” is not warranted.
    There is no blood test for “autism.”

    “Autism” can’t be confirmed or “ruled-out” by laboratory analysis. It’s strictly a behavioral diagnosis.
    Therefore, anything that causes physiological damage cannot directly “cause” autism.
    Ergo… vaccines cannot “cause” “autism.”

    Vaccines cause other stuff.
    Vaccines cause encephalitis.
    Vaccines cause seizures.
    Vaccines cause immune system deficiencies.
    Vaccines cause gastrointestinal problems.
    Encephalitis causes mood swings.
    Encephalitis causes extreme pain.
    Encephalitis causes inattention and impulsivity.
    Encephalitis causes aggression.
    Encephalitis causes balance problems and difficulty relating to one’s environment.
    Seizures cause mood swings.
    Seizures cause inattention and impulsivity.
    Seizures cause alterations in consciousness.
    Immune system deficiencies cause children to have more frequent bacterial infections, such as ear infections, upper respiratory infections (URIs), sinusitis, and strep infections.
    Immune system deficiencies cause children to have more frequent viral infections, such as stomatitis, “fevers of unknown origin,” “viral rashes,” hives, conjunctivitis, and gastrointestinal viruses that cause vomiting and diarrhea.

    Immune system deficiencies cause children to be more vulnerable to “everything that’s going around” and to have a tougher time getting over things than their peers.
    Gastrointestinal damage from vaccines causes diarrhea.

    Gastrointestinal damage from vaccines causes nausea, reflux, vomiting, and the recently discovered “disease” now known as GERD (Gastro-Esophageal Reflux Disease).
    Gastrointestinal damage from vaccines causes increased vulnerability to viruses and bacteria, which leads to increased administration of antibiotics, which leads to overgrowth of pathogenic yeast.

    Pathogenic yeast overgrowth leads to intestinal hyperpermeability (“leaky gut syndrome”).
    Pathogenic yeast overgrowth leads to constipation.
    Pathogenic yeast overgrowth leads to food allergies.
    Pathogenic yeast overgrowth leads to skin eruptions, “drunken, silly behavior,” inattention and impulsivity, and cravings for bread, sugar, ice cream, milk, and carbohydrates.

    Technically, vaccines do not cause autism because technically there is no such thing as autism.

    Vaccines cause the underlying physical conditions that result in the pain, neurological damage, immune system disorders, gastrointestinal damage, and yeast overgrowth – all of which combine to produce the behavioral symptoms that result in the “autism” diagnosis.
    Gastrointestinal damage is the most obvious result of vaccine damage.

    When a previously healthy child suddenly starts having multiple episodes of watery and extremely stinky diarrhea every day, and this happens shortly after receiving vaccinations, it is notable as a “vaccine injury.” What is not so obvious is that when the child’s gut is permanently damaged, he or she is no longer able to absorb nutrients necessary to produce neurotransmitters necessary for proper brain function. So when the child develops mood swings, sleep difficulties, and learning disabilities several months later, these issues are not recognized as being related to the vaccine injury because the initial damage occurred many months earlier.

    Please re-read the previous paragraph.
    This is why Dr. Andrew Wakefield is such a threat to the pharmaceutical industry.
    Dr. Wakefield NEVER said vaccines cause autism.
    Dr. Wakefield is a gastroenterologist. He saw a number of children with gastrointestinal problems who also happened to be diagnosed with autism. Dr. Wakefield reported his observations. He never claimed that the MMR “caused” autism. He merely reported that a number of children he had seen had BOTH gastrointestinal problems AND autism, and according to parental report, these issues developed within a short time of when the children received the MMR vaccine.

    Again… Why is Dr. Wakefield such a threat to the pharmaceutical industry?
    Hint: Not because vaccines cause autism – they don’t.
    Vaccines cause gastrointestinal damage.
    Gastrointestinal damage causes malabsorption of nutrients necessary for proper brain function.
    Malabsorption of essential nutrients causes immune system disorders, seizures, encephalopathy, etc… and THAT’s what leads to the ultimate diagnosis of “autism.”
    If Dr. Wakefield’s observations are correct, SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE will eventually draw the connection between vaccines and the domino-effect that leads to the “autism” diagnosis. From the perspective of the pharmaceutical industry, better to “nip it in the bud” now, which means discrediting Dr. Wakefield to the extent that no one will look further into the science.

    Original post from Marcella Piper-Terry

  38. Doctors don’t vaccinate their kids, I wonder why?
    I don’t have a problem with vaccination I do have a problem with the preservatives & additives to give it a longer shelf life.
    Why is the vaccination recipe always changing?
    I also am very concerned in forcing parents to vaccinate, no jab, no play & targeting the lower income parents & docking their payments. This is no America, free choice for all no just the wealthy.

    1. Doctors very much do vaccinate their kids. Whoever told you that they don’t is lying to you.

      “Why is the vaccination recipe always changing?”
      To make it better… Or, to appease idiot antivaxxers, even when the new recipe is much more expensive. Especially for people in developing countries.

      “Free choice”
      There is no freedom from the consequences of your choices….

  39. If you think doctors make more money by speaking out against vaccines you’re seriously deluded. Its almost the worst career move a doctor can make. It would be much easier to keep living the lie and getting paid $300k a year to do so. But hey why let the truth get in the way of a good argument?

  40. Only the fearful and irrational, and ignorant, could believe that a few Australians choosing not to vaccinate is a threat.

    If vaccines work, and we presume those who vaccinate believe that they do, then there is no threat because you are protected. Where is the danger?

    More to the point, even if Australia had 99.9% vax rates it would be irrelevant unless we sealed our borders and allowed no-one in or out because the world does not and will never have maximum vaccination rates because of culture, poverty, war.

    So, whether 9% are unvaccinated or 49% are unvaccinated is meaningless.
    And since most adults do not keep up to recommended schedules, and vaccines wear off between 2-10 years (none of the immunise), then at any given moment only a tiny minority of the population are vaccine ‘protected.’

    And, guess what, we have not been subjected to the holocausts predicted – odd is it not?

  41. I would add one further comment. Most anti-vaxxers, really vax sceptics, were once pro-vaxxers until they or a child was injured.

    Most are also better educated than the average, working as professionals and more than capable of doing the research.

    Many doctors, nurses and scientists are also vax sceptics and the scientific data questioning vaccines is prolific.

    Younger generations are brainwashed and manipulated by fearmongering. Which is why research is so important.

  42. “Most are also better educated than the average, working as professionals and more than capable of doing the research.”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. *snort* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH *points to all stupidity in this very thread*

    You included, by the way. Your post is full of anti-vaxxer talking points that we KNOW to not be true. Yet, you cling to them, because anti-vaxxism has become a belief you identify with. You don’t wan’t facts, you want to have your feelings validated.

    Research is not ‘look at some youtube videos’ or read biased blogs.

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