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4:01 PM
Others that are using the new navigation on Stack Overflow, if you watch a specific tag, are you getting notifications of new questions? For example, if you watch stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/python for a while (say, 5ish minutes), do you get any notices?
@Unihedron watch the Bot train room....
@SmokeDetector tpu
4:07 PM
Will have to go for now...
but at last we have Connect4
@Bart Thanks. It must be a problem on my end then.
@Bart Your filter bar looks like this, right?
Ah no, old style
So you may be on to something
Which is strange, because it should get the new navigation ...
I'm sitting on the page now, we'll see if I get anything
Ah no, I should learn to read
@Bart Eh. It's overrated.
4:12 PM
Listen to @Undo. He know what he's talking about. I am on a severe lack of coffee, so will make even less sense than I normally do.
@Bart You're not making any sense. Better hand over that smiting stick.
There is a tag. Only spammers would know.
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4:21 PM
still alive
@SmokeDetector gone
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, phone number detected: DIAL::)1-855-709-2847(:: Kodak Printer Tech Support Phone number & Technical Support Phone Numbetr by Sinku Dctm on stackoverflow.com
I should make an userscript that allows me to spam flag without opening a tab.....
That's not fair I'm suspended, you've implemented it too early :D — user293399 2 hours ago
Did nicael have an account nuked in addition to getting suspended?
4:33 PM
Yeah. There's little point in leaving the comment while nuking the user; flagged obsolete.
[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: What's the difference between a probability and a proportion? by yolo on stats.stackexchange.com
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@Yes Blacklisted user.
The earlier iteration of recommended tab had options to ignore questions under review and questions by low rep users, as described here Are they gone now?
4:43 PM
Hey @TimPost, I'm looking for a platform for managing discussions in a large group and apparently you are some kind of manager, or something (so they tell you). How do you guys do things at SE? Do you have any thoughts on that?
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, phone number detected: ((*1-844-780-6762*)) Hotmail Tech Support Phone Number () Hotmail Technical Support phone number by Sinku Dctm on stackoverflow.com
I found this thing, Asana, that I just started evaluating now. It looks promising although I haven't worked my way through its features yet.
@JasonC I think they use Campfire
@Undo Anything?
Though, I already posted a bug on MSE, so it's really just confirmation that it's not just me at this point
@Braiam Oh this looks cool, too.
4:47 PM
and/or trello too
Working well with others is a whole new concept to me.
I have to think hard; we've tried tons of different bad approaches in the past and all fail because the group is extremely sensitive to usage ease. I'm doing a lot of research to try to avoid imposing some clunky solution on the group that nobody will want to use.
Working well with others is a whole new concept to me. Says an erstwhile mod candidate.
That should have been in your nomination. :)
TIG: erstwhile meaning
@Yes → 1 comment moved to Trash Can.
4:54 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: Terraforming a gas giant into an habitable planet? by awser to life on worldbuilding.stackexchange.com
being truthful @Yes, I think that "working well" means "working while fulfilling the expectations"
@JasonC We use hangouts for informal stuff, but Vidyo for major teleconferences that need to be able to be replayed later. Hangouts are limited to 15 people even when you pay for them.
@Braiam Pretty much. Also, for reasons way too complicated to explain, the leader-type members of this group tend to fall into this unintentional downward spiral of doing everything "internally", spreading ourselves too thin and slowly alienating group members.
It's not free, however. I don't know of anything like it that is.
I'm not concerned about it being free, as long as its free for participants.
adds Vidyo to the list
4:58 PM
@JasonC That it is. They just have to download a client
@Andy oh, I closed it :P
yay for tab control
Pros: Great on bandwidth, crystal clear, screen shares, etc. Drawbacks? Frequent updates, a kinda wonky installer, and many people find the UI confusing to some extent.
A major problem is, every time we try to patch systems together, e.g. a forum + a conferencing tool, participation stagnates. It's been years of failed attempts. One step = OK. Two steps = falls apart.
With Vidyo you visit a link, which launches the desktop / mobile app, telling it what conference to join.
Up to you to have something recording it
Ah that's awesome. Single click URL = major plus.
5:00 PM
The pros definitely outweigh the cons.
My only gripe is the update mechanism and 'installer' it uses to do that, kinda error prone especially if you skip a version, but that's sort of minor. What it actually does, it does really well.
And, it's pretty strong on mobile (Android / IOS) - I like the mobile versions better than the desktop one.
Do you have to explicitly install it ahead of time or is there a good flow from "want to join conference" to "software is installed"?
@JasonC Pretty good flow if I remember correctly
I know we've looked extensively into it, and it keeps coming up as the best overall option for us.
Sweet, I'll check it out. Thanks. This is going to be a fun week of evaluating team and conference software, which I should really have done a long time ago.
For 15 people or less? Go with Google hangouts (just sign up for a paid google apps account)
Pros: It's frigging magic. Cons: 15 or fewer, having multiple Google accounts can sometimes lead to major confusion.
My problem with Hangouts, and a few of the things I've looked at in general, though, is they don't seem to have a great ability to build up to said meeting. Things like, allowing people who may not participate in the actual live meeting to post talking points and such ahead of time.
My goal is to encourage group participation in any way possible, excluding thoughts from folks who can't make the meeting itself is a big issue in this particular group. Any chance to participate is a huge plus.
We're also struggling with some bigger picture group dynamics problems that have been slowly evolving over time, primarily boiling down to people wanting to participate in planning but not knowing how, and also the general effect this has: High participation = a feeling that the group belongs to you and that you have responsibility, lack of ability to participate = the opposite, with plenty of side effects. It's... complicated.
Even if 99% of group input is bad ideas, it doesn't matter, as long as people feel like they have an outlet, we're good.
@JasonC You mean commitment?
@Unihedron Sort of.
@JasonC You mean you want them to feel welcomed? :P
@Unihedron Empowered would be more accurate.
And the sense of ownership that comes with being empowered is necessary for this particular group to thrive.
@JasonC "My goal is to encourage group participation in any way possible" give them a clear enemy they have to fight against, that works wonders
5:12 PM
@Braiam As long as the managers aren't the clear enemy, of course.
@JasonC Looks like a question for Project Management
@Yes SE has all the answers!!!
@Yes That is a potential next step. My goal right now is to find some software platforms that I can use as concrete suggestions, then initiate this conversation among the group (if group discussion fails then pm.se is a backup plan).
Right now I have this conversation a lot with individual group members, and it stays isolated to those frequent but casual conversations. Which is really indicative of the problem.
I don't want to initiate a public discussion unless I also have some concrete suggestions for possible solutions. At the bare minimum they'll give good initial talking points.
> how can i turn this answer: unix.stackexchange.com/a/… to a python script?
the answer is in python...
5:22 PM
> Obama Admin: NSA Spying Will Begin Shutting Down This Week
Prove it.
begin shutting down?
No, I want it to shut down
Yeah this month is going to be party time for Facebook conspiracy theorists and armchair political analysts.
@Mooseman yo leap millisecond
@Mooseman That just means they'll turn off that one machine from the 90s that keeps getting overlooked for upgrades, but can barely run minesweeper.
5:36 PM
@Andy Hey I still run Win95
*in a VM
Candidate for today's WTF
Q: wildcard search in solr not working properly

SANDEEP PANDAsearchString = "abc-def" http://localhost:8983/solr/collection1/select?q=searchString Its filtering all records which contains a,b,c,d,e,f But I want to search exact abc-def. pls help

> but how to turn this to a complete python script? I don't understand how to deal with the termios, and where to include it
> then I suggest you take the comments suggestion and use pySerial, they even implement miniterm with it, so you can see how it works
@Unihedron That's not a WTF if they are testing locally. It looks like they just didn't wrap those two lines in a code block
> thank you a lot
> thank google, not me
Solution to your Windows problems: uninstall windows and install a functional OS. I recommend Ubuntu. — Unihedron 5 secs ago
Please be nice to our Dutch users
@rene Ahem, he's Belgian according to his profile.
@rene I treat everyone with equality. Also, they're not Dutch.
5:57 PM
@ProgramFOX Dutch speaking?
@rene Dutch != Dutch speaking, but if you s/Dutch/Dutch speaking/ then it's correct :P
Enough Dutch, let's focus on important things
Goed idee.
@rene what's important?
5:59 PM
that ^^
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@LynnCrumbling Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
To be able to uninstall the update need to finish @Unihedron — rene 4 mins ago
@rene: Hold power button five seconds done.
Sorry, too much effort.
@Unihedron Does that wor...
6:03 PM
I should be sorry, but I'm not. :p
> seen 53s ago, talked 52s ago
@Unihedron Night!
6:07 PM
A: New navigation for Stack Overflow is in alpha testing

JonasCzThe little blue icon for bountied questions disappears if you filter by Needs Answer > Favorite tags, and does not come back unless you reload the page.

that took some time to reboot
Huh ? Just got notified for a plus 8 rep increase, but it was actually 10. Any explanation ?
-2 because of a removed user that has not been included in the rep history, perhaps?
suggested edit to a deleted post?
6:17 PM
^ probably that. Try rep history with "show removed posts" enabled
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: SISTEMA ENQUETE MVC / OOP / PDO > PHP by manzetti.denis on pt.stackoverflow.com
@JonasCz You downvoted two answers since then?
@LynnCrumbling That would show as -1 in the dropdown.
Blame caching?
Nope, rep history with show removed does not give any enlightenment
On that screenshot, I have "accept" and "unaccept" with 0, huh ?
6:21 PM
@JonasCz But that's for SO. The rep change is on meta.SE
the rep change is global
@JonasCz community wiki?
Right. The green thing aggregates everything, so when the change is something due to deletion (which isn't in the dropdown), you're left guessing.
MSE one, nothing special..
Must have edited something that got deleted on some other site.. Will go looking.
@JonasCz Yeah, could be AU or soft.recs. Isn't the reputation report helpful...
At least you don't have credit for suggested edits on dozens of sites, like some of us.
@LynnCrumbling ლ(ಥ益ಥლ
vat ist dat?
Attack of the Jan.
What makes you think it's not on topic for ee?
Dunno. Just asking
still needs a CV
unless I'm not part of an SE site, I definitively don't recommend them
@Braiam Definitely not.
6:31 PM
Does anyone else find this a tad.. Strange ? stackoverflow.com/a/30357696/4428462
@JonasCz Definitely.
@JonasCz I soooooo want to put a comment on that answer: "^ This. Definitely."
Ha. Someone downvoted it. And another.
abusive, isn't it?
Is it just a bunch of spaces?
Flagged as what ?
(Is that how they achieved the min char limit?)
@JonasCz I just did NAA. YMMV.
6:35 PM
nothing inside, maybe a bug?
spaces don't count towards the character requirement.
<pre style="width:650px; white-space:pre-wrap">​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​</pre>
^html wise, that's everything
I find this to be a horrifying abuse of power. Not only have you supplied a non-answer to a question more than six months old that has an accepted answer, but you've done so in a way that begs for people to surrender their hard-earned reputation. Please refrain from doing this in the future. — Frostfyre 54 mins ago
mm.... a bunch of 200b
If you flagged NAA, the folks in the queue might think that the the site is broken as it doesn't load..
6:37 PM
@bummi I'm extremely confused about the context of those comments. What is going on?
I'm curious, who is user293472 and why was he/she suspended?
@JanDvorak My abusive just killed it.
6:39 PM
May 15 at 16:11, by Shog9
@nicael: you're being annoying. Come back in 30 days.
For exploiting a bug.
@Rachel Intentionally playing with a known issue a lot that temporarily wreaked havoc on other users' rep.
... and needed a dev action to undo
@bjb568 This bug ?
Heh.. someone actually helped out on that ee question:
VB High side floating supply absolute voltage VS + 5 VS + 20 I think you would better set VS and VB to some defined values. Else UV behavior might kick in... — BitTickler 2 mins ago
Go them.
6:49 PM
^ NAA or abusive?
@SmokeDetector tpu
@LynnCrumbling Blacklisted user.
flagged abusive
Lol, "hit the sack" is one of my favorite sayings.
Sometimes, after a long day, you really just have to smack the hell out of that sack.
[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: Can I plug my Xbox into my laptop? by WELVINDAGREAT on gaming.stackexchange.com
6:56 PM
Yes. Yes there is. — Lynn Crumbling 10 secs ago
^ cv-pls software rec
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@LynnCrumbling Blacklisted user.
[ SmokeDetector ] Email in body: trunk us 8454187b2 by sara gonzalez chavez on patents.stackexchange.com
7:29 PM
@LynnCrumbling Thanks :)
Yay, I submitted my business letter 15 seconds before the deadline.
It's kinda crappy tho.
Dion’s Appliance Store
1935 Hurontario Street
Mississauga, Ontario L6R 3P8

Dear Store Manager:

I recently purchased a new Sony Television at your store. When I brought it home, at first it worked fine, but yesterday, October 31st, it exploded when I turned it on and sprayed broken glass across the living room. Luckily, nobody was hurt.

I bought the 25" Sony TV new for $399.99 plus tax. It functioned completely normally for a few days before it exploded when I turned it on with the remote yesterday. After the explosion, I quickly unplugged the TV to prevent further damage. The explosion i
@Rachel sure
@bjb568 The chat message part cut off after "Sincerely".. what's the rest?
then it says bjb568, I left that out because chat already has a signature
@bjb568 haha. nice.
@bjb568 What's this for?
[ SmokeDetector ] Nested quote blocks in body: Need help fixing a NumberFormatException error by Bob Higgins on scicomp.stackexchange.com
7:34 PM
@SmokeDetector ignore needs heavy formatting
@LynnCrumbling english
I'd have included the model # and serial #, fwiw.
Meh, I would have to make it up since it wasn't provided in the directions.
Odd that the teacher wants you to write a letter to a retail store.. not the mfg.
You and I both know that the store's just going to redirect you to them, anyway.
Class action, anyone?
This letter really should be: "Pretend you're a lawyer suing a major electronics manufacturer due to dangerous activity associated with normal use of a consumer device."
In all seriousness... the "Thank you for your concern." should possibly be "Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter."
7:38 PM
Why is mfg manufacturer if it doesn't have a g?
@LynnCrumbling whatever, can't put too much thot into these matters
It's a Control-g; unprintable.
@bjb568 Manager's reply: "It's difficult to tell what is being said here. This letter is ambiguous, vague, incomplete, overly broad, or rhetorical and cannot be reasonably answered in its current form."
@Yes "...And you aren't even from this country! How the hell did you buy a TV in Canada? I can only surmise that this is a scam, intended to defraud me of inventory. Therefore, your request for a new unit is [status-declined]."
Oh, that explains the weird letter codes.
7:41 PM
TIL Ontario is Canada
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gah! plusses.
@Braiam shrug
@bjb568 Aren't you in Cincinatti?
7:43 PM
@SmokeDetector fp edit suggested
Oops I replied to a wrong one.
Cincinatti.State().Country() != Canada
why's that a getter?
7:45 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title: Irregular Fortification(경음화, 된소리 되기) in Modern Korean by xiver77 on linguistics.stackexchange.com
@SmokeDetector fp
@JanDvorak Yeah, that's probably just a property.
And Canada is probably in an enum.
Cincinatti.State.Country != Countries.Canada
Why State.Country?
And why is it all capitalized?
I need to get Cincinatti's State... and get that state's country to compare to Canada.
@bjb568 public properties are all capitalized in c#.
7:58 PM
I don't see very sharp.
eh, it makes me money.
@LynnCrumbling needs no more
Wait, looks familiar. Spam? Nah, probably not, other posts.
and left a comment on the answer
@bjb568 McAfee site advisor kicks in so you're right!
So flag as spam?
8:12 PM
yes, question and answer
Biology graduated
I'm about to graduate from my Biology AA too.
Just another couple hundred MCs.
@Yes I like the dna shape badge
8:30 PM
The hover effect on "take the 2 minute tour" is really ugly.
oh ewww
The text goes all red. Is that the intended design ?
Who makes that crap?
Unfortunately, many SE fronted things suck… so probably intentional.
8:32 PM
Why have "Biology" capitalized in the URL?
This is nice:
@LynnCrumbling There's a referendum on in Ireland right now.. On gay marriage. Maybe that's why the question was asked.
@JonasCz Perhaps.
@AstroCB Just looks nicer (to me anyway)
@JonasCz It just looks odd because Stack Exchange isn't capitalized and URLs are usually all lowercase.
There have not been enough stars in the last 12 hours.
8:39 PM
I guess so, Might look better if Stack Exchange where capitalized. Where's the image from ?
Whoa, new design for Biology
I am so behind on stack things
pt.so graduated too
We're gonna be having a whole bunch of elections in the very near future
so many newbie moderators
I always find it interesting to see whether pro-tems stick around
also, I really want to see what they'll do for SR.
Seems a little bit harder to design for than... really anything else we've done, except maybe SOFU
how about a can of lunchmeat?
No voting animation
@JanDvorak Hey! We're whacking them quite hard :P
8:45 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: Prove two graphs are isomorphic by charles buttfuck on math.stackexchange.com
Oh my god... a year!!!??!
@SmokeDetector tpu
@Undo Blacklisted user.
@Undo This is the first time I've seen that suspension reason, actually
8:49 PM
@AstroCB I like their badges.
@Doorknob not my favorite part on a standard display, but they look awesome on Retina.
also, where'd they hide all the bugs? :(
stackoverflow.com/questions/30360000/… This should be a question and answer. Can this be done someway if "asker" does not ?
9:06 PM
@SmokeDetector fp
@Undo pt.SO graduated, but apparently the design stays the same, minus the word "beta". Makes sense, I guess
@Yes They should have standard privs and mod elections coming up, though
That was a very fast beta
New badge idea: "poor li'l spammer" for spammers who get suspended instead of destroyed
I guess just about a year
9:16 PM
@Undo Agreed.
@SmokeDetector ignore Edited
@AstroCB Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.
[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: How to set friendly network name of android computer? by MuRToN on superuser.com
Q: if... for... if.. else... if... is that a break?

BraiamI have a very problematic nested if/else/for that I'm sure it could use some love. Here's how it looks originally: function addBookmark(obj) { var isFound = false; var posFound; if (bookmarks.length > 0) { for (var j = 0; j < bookmarks.length; j++) { if (obj.mirro...

@bummi colombian or mexican
idk, spanish
You seriously wouldn't want to know what it means :-)
@JonasCz I refrained from adding the translations (content/name)
9:52 PM
> What is the color of the fur of the cat who will be the first one to start chewing on your leg after you die alone at home and leave all of your pets without any food or water for days? -- Security questions for single childless people
10:05 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: Is Indian food easily available in European countries? by KALYAN on travel.stackexchange.com
@Yes mmm... I don't have a cat
not yet
an option for Smokey commands to suppress the output. (Most of the time it's just noise). Maybe if the command begins/ends with a symbol. tpu- for no output....
At-sign, taken from PHP?
10:12 PM
@SmokeDetector gone, btw
10:27 PM
@Yes sounds good, but if he drops the ball we may not catch it right away or at all
Maybe only suppress non-error output?
I likes. Have to go cook a thing, will try to implement at some point sometime.
no caption ^? he's clearly thinking "where the hell did i put the butter"
10:50 PM
> Preparing to install updates
Just install them already!
11:32 PM
two wrongs don't make a right
11:51 PM
@Unihedron re github.com/KeyboardFire/stackexchange-chatception/issues/6: have you figured out how to trigger the bug? I've had it happen but I have no idea why
