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RE: Looks like...
By retrospooty on 6/14/2012 12:17:53 PM , Rating: 2
A server is not an enterprise ecosystem. Its just a server.

RE: Looks like...
By sbtech on 6/14/2012 3:15:37 PM , Rating: 2
And what is your point? So is Microsoft windows - a server.

Most large enterprises run a variant of Unix/Linux. That is part of their enterprise ecosystem. Then they learn Oracle on top of that - which is again, part of the enterprise ecosystem.

Many organizations may also run Windows Server. Actually large organizations choose a variety of OS, and they don't (I will fire my IT Admin if he did) choose anything based on their "love" for MS or Unix/Linux. It is based on their needs, legacy software, etc. They maintain this complexity and that is why they have entire IT Admin departments that support these heterogeneous environments.

RE: Looks like...
By retrospooty on 6/14/2012 3:24:19 PM , Rating: 2
"And what is your point? So is Microsoft windows - a server."

see my other posts above. It's thoroughly explained. It's not just about a server or set of servers. It's the software that the servers run and the software that the users use to run a company. Accounting,shop floor, CRM, inventory, logistics, reverse logistics, supply chain to name a few... All this software is ready for business and supported by staff at MS all in a working Ecosystem. No-one lese does that, no one else has ever even tried.

RE: Looks like...
By sbtech on 6/14/2012 3:27:48 PM , Rating: 2
Except they are NOT supported by the staff of MS. Unless, a company specifically decides to buy and implement Microsoft Dynamics.

If you are running SAP, the leading ERP vendor providing the software you are talking about, SAP issues will not be supported by MS Support. You need to open a ticket with SAP support.

RE: Looks like...
By retrospooty on 6/14/2012 3:34:47 PM , Rating: 2
Of Course SAP supports SAP. What of it?

My point is that when companies like SAP are developing or having an issue THEY can call MS support to get help. Its not one app, or one server, its the entire ecosystem that exists. The entire world runs off MS software. You keep putting up small examples of things, and of course they exist, but that is all tiny pieces of the big picture.

RE: Looks like...
By sbtech on 6/14/2012 3:49:27 PM , Rating: 2
Look, I never said MS Software is non existent in an enterprise. Quite the contrary. Most clients are running Windows desktop OS, and then there are Exchange Servers etc.

But all large corporations are also running UNIX on an enterprise level. In fact, the most popular database right now is Oracle. And the most popular choice of running Oracle is on UNIX variant, whether for warehousing or transaction.

And the software you were talking about are in an ERP system that all large corporations deploy. And part of the ERP is the database that stores the data. Both the DBs (Oracle in my example) or the App Server (SAP in my previous example), run on UNIX.

From what I have seen, the smaller companies with limited IT budget, tend to deploy an MS only environment.

So my original point - UNIX variant is very much in the enterprise ecosystem that runs all those software you are talking about.

And as I previously said, I have yet to see any large company that only runs MS. Lets not consider MS here, though at one point (if I remember correctly), they were running Linux or Unix (cant remember what) for their Website.

RE: Looks like...
By retrospooty on 6/14/2012 3:54:04 PM , Rating: 3
Agreed... I didnt mean to imply that MS runs everything at every company, but linux/unix aren't anything close to the full package. They are reliable servers and way better than MS for large enterprises with large DB's, but it's only a part of the big picture. MS is the only one that does it all, and no-one else is even remotely close. There isnt even a distant second place, there is no-one else at all.

RE: Looks like...
By sbtech on 6/14/2012 4:05:21 PM , Rating: 3
Ok we are good then :D

One point you mentioned, or someone else did (too lazy to now check - brooding on my tea now), is that MS setup is way easier to manage. It does bring down the TCO. I have been recommending Windows R2 + MS SQL to customers myself. They have got quite reliable, and I am expecting them to catch up with UNIX level reliability in the near future.

The above comment in my circle generally starts another debate (you probably faced this as well), that a proper system admin should be knowing UNIX maintenance and a company should invest in IT, blah blah. What they don't realize is that medium sized companies do not want to invest too much in an IT department (talking only personnel here).

Plus any System Admin worth his salt, should also be able to properly maintain secure and reliable Win servers. Just that large enterprises tend to have a mixed environment. Mostly because they grow from small to large, and over time their systems become diverse.


RE: Looks like...
By retrospooty on 6/14/2012 4:09:53 PM , Rating: 2
+1 =)

