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RE: I'm old fashioned
By William Gaatjes on 4/10/2009 4:30:38 PM , Rating: 2
Steroids are to the body what nitromethane (nitroglycerin) is for car engines. Looks fun untill you blow out your engine. Besides it's always nice to see someone gain enormous strengt in a very short time only to see them rip off a muscle or a tendon. Why, because the body has had not yet enough time to adapt to the increased muscle strenght.
And then i am not yet talking about all the side effects on internal organs. There is a rare genetic disorder that gives the carrier superhuman strenght. They are muscled from infancy but do not live very long because the heart is deformed as well.

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RE: I'm old fashioned
By PlasmaBomb on 4/10/2009 7:49:32 PM , Rating: 2
The condition is called Hypertrophia Cordis,

or more commonly hypertrophy of the heart.

RE: I'm old fashioned
No, actually its called myostatin-related muscle hypertrophy.

RE: I'm old fashioned
By TA152H on 4/10/2009 7:54:16 PM , Rating: 4

But, since you want to get factual, you really don't know much about steroids, based on your comments.

Like most things the media has gotten hold of, they are vilified way beyond what's real, and really are so broad that nothing could possibly be said about all steroids.

For example, did you know cholesterol is a steroid? Did you know Prednisone and Anadrol do pretty much exactly the opposite things, but are both steroids? So, let's narrow it down to anabolic/androgenic steroids to start, since they make the most sense in this context, and cortico-steroids are quite dangerous (and, coincidentally, easily and often prescribed).

Now, saying all steroids are bad is about as educated as saying NSAIDs are extremely dangerous, because there have been some made that have been.

But, I'll even make a very broad statement that all steroids (remember we're talking anabolic/androgenic in this context) are far safer than aspirin, or acetaminophen. If you don't believe me, take 30x the dosage you should be taking of Aspirin for 20 years, and see if you make it out of a day. Or see if you have a liver left with acetaminophen. With steroids, people will take this much for many, many years, and SOME have side effects that are harmful. The problem isn't so much the drug, as the jackass that takes way too much of it, for way too long.

But, even within the ranks of anabolic steroids, there are huge differences in the danger they present. Some can cause behavioral changes, some can cause indigenous testosterone production to shut down (the remarks about testicles allude to this), and some can cause liver damage. In the latter case, it has nothing to do with the steroid, but with the 17-alpha-alkylation that is added to oral steroids so they are not broken down by digestion. Injectables do not need this, and generally do not cause any harm to the liver.

With regards to indigenous testosterone production, that depends on estrogen, which is the negative feedback loop for it. Testosterone is converted (aromatized) into estrogen, and that regulates further testosterone production. Some steroids are not aromatized, and therefore cause absolutely no side-effects like this. Some are, and can cause many issues over time, if not used with other drugs to mitigate the effects.

With regards to behavior changes, even anabolic steroids have two parameters that define their effects. They are anabolic (effects not considered purely male), and androgenic (male characteristics). For example, increasing the ability to build muscle is anabolic, while something that lowers the voice, causes facial hair to grow, initiates more aggressive behavior, would all fall under androgenic properties. Testosterone, by far the most dangerous of all steroids, is considered highly androgenic by steroidal standards, but there are others like Dianabol and Anadrol that also are highly androgenic. So why do people use these? Well, they work, and work well, and increase metabolism a lot. That's why people like to stack. They will use a highly anabolic with a androgenic one, the latter mainly to increase metabolism.

Steroids attempt, and all succeed in varying degrees, to take testosterone and make it work in a more desirable way, and be less dangerous, and have fewer side-effects. What we produce naturally is the worst of them, as crazy as that sounds. What makes it work is we don't pound our bodies with massive amounts of this stuff, sometimes 100's of times what we should have. If you do that with any substance, it's going to have bad effects. Some, like Primobolan are so safe, and so non-androgenic, they can be taken by women, and not make them masculine. On the other hand, it's not very good at building muscle compared to others. Anadrol, on the other hand, will make your aunt your uncle, and should NEVER be taken by women, and even with men, you have to be careful as Hell. But, nothing bulks like it, and for pure efficacy, it's hard to beat.

Incidentally, only one steroid was made for athletic performance, and that's Dianabol. All the rest were made for medical purposes, and were extremely useful, before the media decided to get more viewers, and make doctors very scared to use them.

Most injuries from steroids do not happen when people are taking them. That's the fallacy, and you're quite wrong about it. Steroids allow the entire body to build faster, not just muscle. In fact, they even help your brain create faster synapses, and help nerve tissue grow faster. They reduce scarring as well. They can help people rebuild blood faster too. They have been very useful in working against cachexia, particularly with regards to AIDs.


So, please, stop being a product of the media, and realize that steroids are an amazing tool for human health when used properly, and in the intended manner. There's almost nothing you can take at 1000 times the dosage every day, for years on end and not have side-effects. It doesn't mean you should ban these drugs for things they were intended for, and are extremely useful in. But, the media has pounded every idiot over the head, and told them how they are always bad, and most people don't even know the difference between them.

It would be like treating aspirin like it were heroin. Please, make an effort to learn before you condemn something. The media doesn't care if you really understand something (how could they when they don't?), they just want you to read the garbage they write. But, it's never so simple as those articles make it.

Oh, and again, that post was a joke. I'm kind of surprised people didn't see that. I guess my sense of humor has gotten so dry (another word for bad) that people couldn't see it.

RE: I'm old fashioned
By Clauzii on 4/10/2009 11:38:18 PM , Rating: 2
Write this in a forum in Denmark, and You'll see it disappear faster than You can say "Steroids"..

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Now this is the exact reason steroids have me worried.

RE: I'm old fashioned
By mindless1 on 4/11/2009 1:43:47 AM , Rating: 2
I'm afraid biology would disagree with you. The fittest have survived and evolved, those being less muscular people even with the obvious physical combat advantage of being more muscular due to higher internal steroid production.

I can appreciate that you mentioned moderation in use, but then we have to look at diminshing returns which are contrary to the point of taking them for muscle enhancement if the negative effects are ignored.

To claim that there are other types of steroids is beside the point, you knew what type the media was referring to. Anabolic steroids are a substitute for generic musculature, so of course someone won't ever want to stop using them unless it is from penalty, or recognition of other detrimental side-effects.

It seems as though you can't see the forrest for the trees, steroid use to correct a bodily imbalance is one thing, but to cause one is quite another.

RE: I'm old fashioned
By William Gaatjes on 4/11/2009 2:22:54 AM , Rating: 2
Very true.

Besides in nature before we got civilized having a voracious appetite because of having lot's of muscle is really a disadvantage.

A qoute from the text in the link i posted:

"At the moment, there really isn't anything out there that alters myostatin levels other than exercise," Wells said. "It costs energy to keep the muscle alive; the body is very nicely tuned, so if you don't need the muscle, you lose it." Since Liam's muscles don't see the effect of myostatin, he has a monstrous appetite. "He's hungry for a full meal about every hour because of his rapid metabolism," Dana Hoekstra told the AP. "He's already eating me out of house and home."

This is a 3 year old boy. Press the link, it is like a superman story. The lady adopted a boy only to find out the boy is unusually strong.

RE: I'm old fashioned
By TA152H on 4/11/2009 3:09:52 PM , Rating: 1

You're remark about biology would be valid, were it not for the fact our environments have changed dramatically. With almost all animals, and humans of the past as well, you had to balance the size of the animal carefully due to food considerations. That's why we don't have monstrous lions; they'd need too much food, and the extra size wouldn't give them enough of an ability to get it (I guess elephants wouldn't be enough :-P).

At this point in time, being smarter, stronger, and more athletic would have advantages, and also even more because of food considerations, whereas in the past the extra food demand would be a huge detriment.

That's why we crave sugar, and fat, etc... Because we are biologically conditioned to live in an environment where food is scarce, not plentiful. So, we love things with easy calories, we love to store fat for those lean periods, and we naturally choose these foods.

But, the times have changed.

Oh, and with steroids, there are diminishing returns, so small amounts can be quite effective. But, you really need to cycle them too, if you take a good amount because the receptors become less sensitive, and you need stop taking them so they are restored to normalacy. That's why people "cycle".

Most people over 40 could use small amounts of very safe steroids, like Primobolan. In a sense, their testosterone production is lower than normal, and increasing it even slightly not only has positive influences on their lives, but also positive health effects. More muscle mass, less bodyfat, more endurance, and even stronger sexual drive.

And sorry, but Primobolan is exactly the type of steroid that is banned, and it's EXTREMELY safe. But, because it's a steroid, and there are dangerous ones like Anadrol, well, let's ban it too, because the media brain-washed the public.

The irony is, now they give people testosterone, and call it 'hormone replacement', instead of synthetic steroids. Testosterone is the worst, but because it can be called 'hormone replacement', it's palatable. When you hear a bodybuilder is on "Test", or "Anadrol", part of you really wants to tell him to stop, it's not worth it. When you hear someone is on Primobolan, you have no worries at all, and realize he's being smart about it. That's one of the things A-Roid took. So, there's a huge difference in different steroids, huge.

RE: I'm old fashioned

I think you're getting out of touch with the real world.

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