There's An Arms Race Going On In Asia Unlike Anything Since The Cold War en-us Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500 Sat, 27 Dec 2014 13:15:41 -0500 Geoffrey Ingersoll me. Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:09:22 -0500 Another solutions would be to take those islets and some other surrounding islands, remove the goats, flat the ground and create a free-market semi-independent island nation HK style, or international area. Or just make it the first Asian cooperation center or whatever. Rule it together. Why should the world suffer another world war because of those small islands, and for people thinking countries, ethnicity and borders are more important than human lives. NomNom Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:31:50 -0500 Right, before your government decided to call South China Sea the"West Philippine Sea", you people did not care about it at all, but now you want territory from China and call her aggressive? NomNom Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:28:25 -0500 Actually, Japan is stirring up nationalism. The right wing militarism is coming back; just look at recent Prime Ministers and officials in JP government, you would understand. And you can see that many of them were born in conservative politicians' families; their fathers and grandfathers played important roles in WW2 NomNom Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:21:29 -0500 There are more Japanese maps that show Diaoyu Island is Chinese territory; there is a document before Japan annexed Diaoyu, that showed a Japanese official's concern about annexation; want me to show you. If you want to compare historical evidence, Japan will never win this game. NomNom Thu, 10 Jan 2013 12:13:44 -0500 I can show you more Japanese official maps that mark Diaoyu Islands as Chinese territory. chinawatcher Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:23:41 -0500 A Chinese government document from 1950 appears to refute China's current claim to the Senkakus by indicating the islets are part of Japan's territory and referring to them by their Japanese name, a just-obtained copy revealed. <a href="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" ></a> tom1295 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 08:12:38 -0500 I noticed the term "southwest Asia" too. I do think the term southwest Pacific is a valid term in military usage and that may be what the author meant. tom1295 Thu, 10 Jan 2013 08:04:56 -0500 This was 1943. Chiang Kai-sheck was the dictator of all of China at that time. Since then there has been a change in government covering most of China so what you call mainland China does indeed have a claim to the terms of the Cairo Declaration. To assert that the government in Beijing is anything other than the legitimate government of China is a remnant Cold War dream. brianrm Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:35:15 -0500 What an ignorant comment rhh! Anyways, the asians are already pouring into the USA. for the last 30 years, incase you haven't noticed! slowriver Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:33:00 -0500 "China's military is untested and their political body seems to lack the will to use that newly developed might. " yeah Geoffrey, unlike our warmonger neocons with their MIC-who you work for btw No, rather they should kill people using their new toys just to prove they can just like the US. Maybe Hagel, who actually fought in a war, might bring some sanity to the Pentagon brianrm Thu, 10 Jan 2013 06:19:06 -0500 Surprise!,Surprise!, Surprise!...While the western countries have been exporting technology,jobs and know how to China for the last 40 years in the name of multi national free trade, Communist China has been quietly and quickly building up their arms with all our western money flowing into their pockets. So I hope the USA is working on an advanced secret weapon that might curtail the inevitable Southeast Asian War! Free John Corzine Thu, 10 Jan 2013 05:37:36 -0500 How can this be. Hillary flew a million miles and was a great secretary of state. Remind me, what did she accomplish? I'm sure the new guys sill sort this out PT Thu, 10 Jan 2013 05:15:43 -0500 Of course a good number of that 20 Million are probably batting for the other team, so they are quite happy to exist in a target rich environment, as it were. frozenice Thu, 10 Jan 2013 03:28:29 -0500 Try to be here in the Philippines, feel and see how aggressive China is. dses Thu, 10 Jan 2013 00:18:44 -0500 So Japan "brought" the island from whom how the hell he gets to own the island, and China is the one who is aggressive? Is there any logic in this? chinawatcher Wed, 09 Jan 2013 22:30:06 -0500 Chiang Kai-shek of the Republic of China was the dictator of Taiwan, therefore mainland China had no connection with Cairo Declaration. And, Cairo Declaration was not an agreement to specific islands and had no legal legitimacy. The present big problem is the Chinese belligerence and aggressiveness. Nexus789 Wed, 09 Jan 2013 22:27:27 -0500 War as a catalyst for change - social, economic, etc, is interesting as a concept when the conflict itself does not end the civilisations that fight it. The thing now and unlike previous conflicts any new one will inevitably be fought with nukes. A global civilisation ending event. Even a regional nuclear confrontation could kill 90% of the population - a nuclear conflict between Indian and Pakistan for instance would be contained you would think. However, there is potential for large amounts of soot to be injected into the atmosphere that it would kill the annual growing season for a number of years and the lives of billions. First Wed, 09 Jan 2013 22:25:25 -0500 we make sure China and Japan nuke each other, then we can pick up the pieces ,profit and control East Asia, that is always our plan. We always take it to war, that ways we win. They never get it those stupid Asians. It sucks, but @War is right Wed, 09 Jan 2013 20:45:24 -0500 @War is dead on when he says "culling males". China has 20M more men than women thanks to social gender preferences that came about due to the 1 child policy. That's a lot of horny dudes that won't find wives and will wield their aggression in other ways like social unrest. People say the 20th century was the bloodiest century in human history. It was just a warmup to what will come in the next 20 years. reallly Wed, 09 Jan 2013 20:01:07 -0500 Don't you even know that 'satellite guidance systems' are just GPS guidance systems....try to go the store and find one that is NOT made in china. I don't think they have a problem making GPS guided missiles. Cairo Declaration Wed, 09 Jan 2013 19:53:43 -0500 The Cairo Declaration was the outcome of the Cairo Conference in Cairo, Egypt, on November 27, 1943. President Franklin Roosevelt of the United States, Prime Minister Winston Churchill of the United Kingdom, and Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek of the Republic of China were present. The declaration developed ideas from the 1941 Atlantic Charter, which was issued by the Allies of World War II to set goals for the post-war order. The Cairo Communiqué was broadcast through radio on December 1, 1943. The Cairo Declaration is cited in Clause Eight (8) of the Potsdam Declaration, which is referred by the Japanese Instrument of Surrender. The main points of the document were: (1) The Allies are not fighting Japan for their own territorial expansion. (2) The Allies are resolved to bring unrelenting military pressure against Japan until it agrees to unconditional surrender. (3) Japan shall be stripped of all islands she has seized or occupied in the Pacific since the beginning of World War I in 1914. (4) All the territories Japan has taken from China such as Manchuria (Dongbei), Formosa (Taiwan), and the Pescadores (Penghu), shall be restored to the Republic of China. (5) The Allies are determined that Korea shall become free and independent. (6) Japan will also be expelled from all other territories which she has taken by violence and greed. The fact that Japan are stripped of all land and only retain its four major islands proves that DaoYuTai Islands do not belong to Japan. So as U.S. did not have the right to place a Chinese own state land under the "administration" of Japan. The Islands belongs to Republic of China, and calling it otherwise is American and Japanese imperialism. Time to implement the Declaration. If there is any war breaks out in Asia, we know U.S. is on the wrong side this time and Japan is on the wrong side again. westerneduchinese Wed, 09 Jan 2013 19:21:53 -0500 If Japan drops its pacifist constitution the US arms industry would celebrate. Japan would rack up the debt, then mortage itself to become China's factory. Hopefully without a shot being fired. We need to get the kids at Harvard to marry each other. That way their dads won't make the countries fight each other. Bubba Shawn Wed, 09 Jan 2013 18:53:49 -0500 China also doesn't have satellite guidance systems for missiles China would invite sanctions and retaliation if she attacks Japan. What these so called military experts don't every point out is that Japan is another air craft carrier that cannot be sunk. Another point is that Japan know it can survive atomic bombs. rhh Wed, 09 Jan 2013 18:50:31 -0500 Is THAT what it is called: Culling Males....well that's all right then. Dan2 Wed, 09 Jan 2013 18:45:32 -0500 I guess the US is never going to be able to get out of the Middle East, since Japan and China have moved there now... War Wed, 09 Jan 2013 18:44:13 -0500 You're a believer in the casus belli. Helen of Troy. Archduke Ferdinand. Pearl Harbor. 9/11. Most people are. After all, that's how the propagandists serve them up. That's how wars get sold to those who pay for them and die in them. But you're missing the point. When societies have irreconcilable structural imbalances be they economic or demographic, wars have always followed. The who, where and (superficially) why are irrelevant. And while I agree with you morally, history and economics prove you wrong 1000x over on your assertion that war gets us nowhere. Wars are extradrdinarily valuable, but no one teaches students the value because its not palatable. For one, traditionally males are culled. Economically, socially and demographically this can be advantageous to both sides. Secondly, productive capacity trimmed allowing for post war development and economic growth. And most importantly perhaps, bad debts are defaulted upon and new debt servitude is established. Yeah, it's all grim, horrible stuff. But the spoils of war aren't gild trinkets and wenches. They are macroeconomic sea-changes that reshape the world in favor of the victor during the post war period. chinawatcher Wed, 09 Jan 2013 18:28:11 -0500 China repeats a provocation for an excuse of the aggression toward Japan. It is explosive situation, and severe international criticism must be poured against China. If Japan-China War breaks out, the world economy will be brought down. If China lacks the will to use that newly developed might, she has the strong motive toward a war. (1) A difference of the Chinese poverty and wealth spreads, and Gini coefficient reached a dangerous level 0.61 in 2010. Numerous riots happened already in China, oppressed narrowly by the strong military police. But the riots may increase markedly in the near future, can’t be controlled. The communist dictatorship will try to survive by controlling the dissatisfaction of the nation by stirring up nationalism. (2)The Chinese nations bear a grudge against past colonial rule by Western powers and Japan, and will strongly support a war. (3) China must provide a large quantity of natural resources, such as oil, mineral and food, to feed 1,300 million nations. China may buy them if available legally, but may take by force commodities, territories and lands which are not available legally. These are the Chinese imperialism. rhh Wed, 09 Jan 2013 18:11:47 -0500 Funny, here we are as a nation grappling with the unholy tragedies of gun violence in our society and at the same time from cradle to grave we are more or less taught that MIGHT makes RIGHT. That Wars are the answer....that having a bigger gun or bomb makes one Mighty and thus More Righty. After all the killing, nobody wins. After Japan, Germany, Italy, Vietnamese, Koreans and the US killed maimed and mutilated each other we somehow come out Friends fifty years later?....Hows that work? Yet my Grandfather and Father have to die in the process so their children can sit down and eat sushi and toast one another with a Heinekin together fifty years later?? The WINNERS in all of this Gun/War stuff are the Arms Manufacturers, Some special interest Shadows, and of course Wall Street and the Banksters who profit by their commodity manipulations and trades. Basically the ones who never spill any of their own blood somehow. Somehow we can't understand how some succeptable deranged person gets the message from society itself that winning a war somehow makes one right. Killing in our society is the product of a lot of things, movies, media, games, even the Crusades, Star Wars, Race wars,Drug wars....etc., but most of all a world where our collective governments can build Better Bombs while our cities, cultures and children wither as dispensable acceptable damage. If you got the biggest gun somehow this makes you Right...I don't get it. If there is an is ourselves. If our children are learning the wrong ways to settle their differences we have ourselves to thank. That's who we collectively thank. Might Makes Right....That is our World Priority. China wants the Island, Japan wants the Island ... who gets the island in question?....the one with the bigger gun. That is what we are teaching our children. George J. Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:44:32 -0500 It's not Southwest Asia. Perhaps you meant Southeast Asia, or East Asia, but not Southwest. rhh Wed, 09 Jan 2013 16:56:04 -0500 lets say war is coming. WHO is the enemy? Social inequality? ... who is the enemy? Currency in trouble?....who s the enemy? Producive capacity?....who is the enemy? I don't think there is ANY shortage of needs to harness all existing capacities, only the will to use it on needs of societies going unfilled. I have no idea who you attack, but I do know that the slaughtering of one another gets us all nowhere except to pain, blood and regret. Who gets attacked because of the reasons you cite? lamester Wed, 09 Jan 2013 16:54:56 -0500 "and their political body seems to lack the will to use that newly developed might." You mean how strong willed and smart Bush was, in using our military to achieve "victory" in Iraq? It's not that they lack the will to use it. Go read The Art of War for some clues. The best way to take down a stone bridge is to knock out the keystone with one strike, not by chipping at the railing with a jackhammer. War Wed, 09 Jan 2013 16:45:01 -0500 War is coming. Paper claims to underlying assets exceed assets across all asset classes. Currencies are in trouble. Social inequality is becoming destabilizing. There is a global overhang of productive capacity. Add all of that up and ere's only ever one conclusion from a historical perspective: War. Who, where and when are still very much up in the air. But if anyone believes war isn't coming, the onus is on them to explain why this time in history will be different from all others, rhh Wed, 09 Jan 2013 16:40:54 -0500 when the US can Rescue itself, then and only then should it allude to rescuing the rest of the world. Take care of OUR country first.