The Final Solution

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    Lately, picking up the paper or clicking on the news has become an even more loathsome experience than usual. Every night, without fail, I am subjected to story after story on the murders and sexual assaults of young children, kids killing kids, and "every day nice guys" deciding that they want to stab someone to death. Its enough to make the average person sick and the angry person even more furious. Luke Woodham kills 3 (including his mother and ex-girlfriend), and injures 7 in a shooting spree at his local high school in Mississippi because he felt rejected, mistreated, and "wronged". Eddie O'Brien, 15, stabs Janet Downing, 43, a total of 98 times with a broken pocket knife because his sexual advances toward her met with rejection. An 18-year-old Dahmer fetishist and ex-Marine, Todd Rizzo, smashes the head of 13-year-old Stanley Edwards with a freaking sledgehammer because he "wanted to know what it felt like to kill somebody". Eddie Werner, 11, was selling candy door to door in Toms River, New Jersey when a 15-year-old sexually assaulted and murdered the boy. An 18-year old college freshman at M.I.T., Scott Kruegar, was poisoned by fellow fraternity "brothers" at a party when they mixed lethal amounts of alcohol with household chemicals. Technical sergeant Peter Contos drives to his mistress' house, kills her and her two sons, the proceeds to stuff the bodies of the two young boys in his locker at Otis Air Force Base. Perhaps the worst of them all, Salvatore Sicari and N.A.M.B.L.A.-aficionado and prior felon (with 27 outstanding charges against him!), Charles Jaynes kidnapped, smothered, and sodimized 10-year-old Jeffrey Curley of Cambridge, Massachusetts, before dumping his body in a river. And this is only the beginning.

    On any given day if you open up the newspaper or turn on your television around 6pm or 11pm (that's 5pm/10pm Central and Mountain, kiddies), you are sure to hear about similar stories; and that's not even counting the day-to-day violence that is piped into our houses live via satellite from the ghettos and trailer parks all over the country. In case you haven't figured it out by now, there is something seriously wrong with this country. The psychos, the rapists, the murderers, the degenerate filth, all walk among us, as the lions walk among the zebras, waiting for a lone victim to stray from the rest of the herd so that they may devour it up. They are everywhere, all around, because justice truly is blind. Well, it is time to take off Lady Justice's blindfold or get her a seeing eye dog, because the current system isn't working and only proliferates more and more scum.

    You see, the justice system in America is a Godzilla-turd sized joke. The guilty go unpunished every day; and even when they are punished, it is never to my liking. The current system is a giant revolving door. The criminals go into prison and are out on the streets again before you know it. No "justice" is served. Sending a lifetime criminal to the "big house" is nothing more than sending him to his room to "think about what he's done wrong." What kind of warm, fuzzy hippie parenting shit is that? For the hardened criminal, prison is like summer camp. He gets free room and board and gets to hang out with all his old buddies. It's a Disneyland full of rec. room knifings, rioting, gang warfare, and shower-time anal torture. Drugs, prostitution, gambling, murder, and rape abound and the criminals have the same connections and contacts that they did on the street, or in some cases, more. And once the career criminal is released from his "bondage", he will have more credibility on the street. In fact, he is subject to a better homecoming reception than one of his peers who just came back from graduating college or serving his time in the military. After all, he "did his time." He earned his respect and showed us all how hard he really is. You see, in gang land, prison tattoos are like battle scars. To say you were in the joint for such-and-such a crime is like saying that you ransacked a village on the Ho Chi Minh trail that was full of VC spies. When you come back from prison, you are the ultimate bad ass. But after awhile the praise and adulation are exhausted and the ex-con starts to miss his comfy, carefree prison life in which he didn't have to get a job, or pay bills. He begins to miss his cell block buddies and the "good" times they had. So, what does he do? He commits another crime for the sole purpose of getting caught and sent back. Now tell me, did he truly learn his lesson?

    These career criminals do nothing to serve their "debt" to society. They commit heinous crimes, yet no retribution is collected or even sought after in many cases. The majority of the time, convicted criminals will get shortened sentences due to good behavior and they will be back out on the streets again in a few years, regardless of what they did. Some "tough" guy who rapes a 15-year-old girl will be sentence to ten years, but he will be out in 6 because he "behaved" himself while inside. Think about it. This piece of shit gets away with nothing compare to the emotional scarring inflicted upon the girl! Why do we continue to allow prison sentences to be trimmed down? It is an outrage. And that's if they are even sent to prison at all. Due to new, more "humane" courtroom procedures, evidence can be thrown out of court because some gung-ho cop who was just trying to do his job and catch the bad guys forgot to collect the blood samples in the correct manner or he didn't wait to get a warrant before raiding the perpetraters abode and saving the life of the young girl. Still worse yet, the offender can just cop an insanity plea, or the odious "temporary insanity" lie, and get a measly two years in an asylum, where doctors will kiss his ass, patronize, and lull him into a false sense of hope. Afterwards, he is returned to society to kill again. Then there are plea bargains and deals with the slimeball District Attorneys. Mistrials, payoffs, hung juries, all result in more scum on the streets. And what about the misunderstood juvenile offenders? They get the sweetest deal of them all: a ticket to juvenile hall until they are 18. At which time they will be returned to the "outside world" only to snap again in a McDonalds because their coffee wasn't warm enough.

    There are over 4 million criminals on probation or parole, and on top of that are all of the thrown-out cases, the uncaught criminals, and those active criminals unbeknownst to us. All of those criminals out on the streets and most of them are repeat offenders. Scary, isn't it? Now, before you throw the covers up over your head and start sleeping with the lights on, why not take the time to understand exactly why all of these bad guys are walking the streets, contemplating which crime to commit next. Why not take the time to point the blame at someone for all of the thugs on the loose. All eyes focus on the American Justice System. Let's face it, we are far too lenient with our criminal faction of society.

    The United States is the only country that treats its criminals so well. Instead of punishing them we slap them on the wrist and give them a stern, yet sincere, "Bad boy! Don't you do that again!". Remember when that kid Michael Fay was caned in Singapore for vandalizism? The bleeding heart liberals nearly shit their pants! How dare they try to punish one of our criminals! Hey, fucker, he committed a crime and now he'll be lucky if he can ever sit down again. That's the price you pay. In some Arab nations, stealing will get your hands lopped off and rape will get you death. The same is not true in the Land of the Free. In fact, the majority of the nations of the world do not tolerate criminal activities, save those governments with obvious mafia and drug ties, but even they won't put up with street crime.

    But not so in America. We live in a land where domestic abusers go unpunished. Child rapists have support groups. Celebrity murderers are playing golf. Street gangs are glorified in music and movies. And sports stars with assault and battery charges against them achieve cult status. Everyone wants to be "hard" and "tough" and as a result crime is escalating. Yet, corporal punishment is frowned upon and the death penalty is still seen as "wrong" and "inhumane". How so? Do we want these fuckers around? The liberal media is always quick to point out how "barbaric" the death penalty is, but when you look at the American justice system compared to those of other countries, we treat our criminals like kings. Where else but in America can a convicted, crazed mass murderer get a cushy cell, all the clout he needs to control his peer (fellow inmates), regular meals, and just as many connections as he had on the "outside"? We need to bring back the glory days of the Roman Empire and corporal punishment. We need capital punishment. They say the death penalty is not a deterrent. Well, the current system is not a deterrent, either, so why not get some payback?

    What we have is an ineffective system that allows criminals back on the streets or to go without any form of suitable punishment. You would think that at the very least a system this obsolete would be cutting corners and saving the tax payers a few bucks, right? Think again. Under the current system, billions are spent yearly in order to house, feed, and supervise criminals that are locked up. The United States has the highest incarceration statistics in the world. Wonder why that is? And on these gems we call prisoners, each state spends an average of $500 million to house the prisoners, with some states having budgets as high as $2 billion. $2 billion to keep scum alive? Where is the justice? And why are we, the tax payers, paying to support these prisoners? I mean, they wronged us, so now we support them? I don't get it. What kind of backass logic is that? The current system is giving them what they want: clothing, food, a place to sleep, comradery and an environment suited to their criminal needs, all at our expense. Where is the punishment, save for the few lost children who somehow took a wrong turn in life and are now being fucked up the ass by violent car jack slayers and serial rapists. And after a few months, even they will have turned into hardened criminals who just don't give a damn about anyone else, waiting to get out for some payback.

    Billions are being spent each year to appease the opponents of corporal punishment. Billions are spent to send our criminals away for a few years, so that they can return after being "rehabilitated" and do the same old shit all over again. And the multi-billion dollar tax payer price tag doesn't even include our other "rehabilitation" and welfare programs to support the law breakers and their families while they aren't on vacation in the state penitentiary. Also not included in the bill are the numerous court fees, resultant of both the original criminal trials and the bullshit civil cases brought by inmates against the state for "poor living conditions". If you want to see poor living conditions, check out a Mexican prison cell. Prison was not meant to be comfortable or humane. It is merely a holding tank for further punishment.

    Why are we spending so much money to pay for the care and humane treatment of our felons both in and outside of bars? Think about it for a moment, will you, Sparky? Look at who is committing the majority of the crimes. It is the poor and uneducated. An estimated 61% of all inmates have less than a high school education, and half that number were unemployed prior to their arrest. Perhaps the increase of fresh faces to our borders contributes as well. The numbers seem to lead us to think so at least. The increase in domestic crime and the increase in immigration are directly proportional. Around 800,000 immigrants/year enter the country and bring with them more crime. They come over, take our jobs, live off of tax funded social programs and propagate like rabbits. Then they are caught committing a crime and more money must be spent on court fees and other bullshit to penalize them. Then, they are finally convicted and sentenced to serve a few years behind bars, where billions are spent just to keep them alive and well fed, so that when they get out they can repeat the cycle. Upon emancipation, what do they do? They go right back on the tax payer funded social programs and continue with their illicit ways with get rich schemes and crime. They have more illegitimate children and retroactively collect more welfare. Then the children grow up in that environment and it is only natural for them to follow suit. See a trend?

    Ultimately, the poor educational system in America and the overall absence of family values are to blame. While the government is pumping billions of tax payer dollars into supporting the criminals and their habits, building new prisons, and inventing costlier ways to respect the inmates "rights", the schools in this country are overrun with crime and are falling apart. At home, parents do not take the time to educate their children and instill in them morals and values necessary to become model citizens. Everyone is too selfish and lazy to raise their kids up right. The parents are too fucking lazy to get jobs or to support their families. It is only natural that the children grow up believing this as the norm. In addition, the standards in America have been so far lowered by so-called "affirmative action" programs and other such nonsense like ebonics, that our children's IQs are lowering and they are becoming the dullards of the world. The children grow up pampered by government handouts. They are spoiled and come to expect getting something for nothing. And we encourage it! We encourage ignorance, sloth, and greed every time we pay our taxes which go to support them! And we wonder why we have so much crime. The kids grow up idolizing criminals, get caught up in street gangs and are hurled into the criminal world before they are even old enough to graduate, all because their parents were too fucking lazy to set an example. I guess it is up to the Justice System to teach them now, right? Well, right? Nope, because as we have already learned, the justice system teaches nothing except that America loves its criminals and doesn't want to hurt them. It is ineffective, inefficient and obsolete.

    So what is the answer?

    Corporal punishment is the answer. We need to punish our violent criminals severely. Make them suffer and watch the crime rates plummet. What constitutes a crime you ask? Well, if it is not covered in the U.S. Constitution, then, my friend, it is a crime and you must pay the piper. There will be no more costly court room fees and overpriced resort prisons. Once convicted, you meet your fate: death.

    Now, I'm not talking about that namby-pamby death row bullshit. There are no long waits, there are no appeals. Once convicted you die. No, you will not spent my hard earned tax dollars filing bullshit cases against the state prison system. No one cares. You will not die by some costly electric chair or die a peaceful death by lethal injection. You will get your just deserts. Hell, I say take this one step further and kill every criminal. We don't need these fucking losers anyway. I say line them up and kill them all. Rebuild Auschwitz for the deed. From the dope smoking hippies to the Ted Bundys, break out the Zyklon-B. Otherwise, the billions of tax dollars wasted each year on these assholes will continue to plague our society and add to the tax payer debt. And guess who's footing the bill... not the criminals, but the average everyday working schmuck like myself. And speaking for my fellow working class Americans, the death penalty should be praised and held aloft by the people of America. Cherish the death penalty, for it is the only glimmering remnant of the glory of our forefathers left in this country gone to shit.

    If you are caught stealing, your hands will be removed prior to death. If you are caught for rape, your dick will be lopped off. If you stab someone, you will be stabbed before you die. Your victim's family will line up and get to take stabs at your fat, naked doughboy body just so you know how it feels, you degenerate filth. And after you have felt the pain and it is time for you do leave this earth, a single bullet will be implanted at the base of your skull. A single bullet costing no more than $1.00 will kill you because that is all you are worth. And the cost of that bullet will be billed to your parents or closest living relative, because it's all their fucking fault you turned out to be a piece of shit. Think of the tax breaks! And we will televise your death so that the world can rejoice that the streets are once again safe. Your death will also serve as a warning to those who would dare even consider committing a crime. Drug dealers, rapists, murderers, abusers, sexual perverts, "federal" reserve bankers, traitors, corrupt politicians, corporate embezzlers, liars, cheats, corporation CEOs who would dare downsize, beware.

    There will be no parole. There will be no prison system. There will be only death. Perhaps if a particular criminal is of use for entertainment, he can fight in a gladiator pit. Mass murderers could be sent out in black ops style raids to kill other crafty criminal types before we off them. But ultimately they will all die. The truth of the matter is that we need to turn all of our prisons into giant concentration camps and just mass exterminate the entire lot of scum. If we ever hope to correct the problem, we must make examples out of the transgressors, because though peace is a nice idea, it will never happen. After such an act, do you actually believe that repeat offenders will be so willing to commit a crime and return to meet a similar fate? I think not. If criminals know they are going to die, they will not commit the crimes.

    The death penalty is not a deterrent. It is the only answer. It is the solution. The final solution.

    No, I don't care to hear your cries of mercy. I don't care. I really don't. Yes, I realize that the current system has holes in it and sometimes the innocent are jailed, but those are the breaks. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Under the new system, billions would be saved and taxes would be lowered. People will be safer and bullshit regulations passed against law abiding citizens will be repealed because the criminals will be off of the street.

    This proposed mass annihilation of all crime coupled with curbed immigration, increased spending on education (not social welfare reform), and parents taking more responsibility will ensure that you and your family are safe. Never again will you be forced to clutch your purse as you walk down the street at night. Never again will you have to look over your shoulder at the ATM for those unruly "homeboys" who would try to snatch your withdrawal. Sure you are bound to have a nut here or there, but I can guarantee that you won't find your local wacko on the golf course talking about "racism" when he should have been punished for murdering his wife. You won't find your corporate asshole lying about stolen gold from a war long fought. You won't have any celebrities or politicians buying their way out of a crime because they can. And you won't have to worry about your child getting abducted by some sick fucker.

    No until all of the criminals' corpses are roasting will I be satisfied. Think about it. You know I'm right. -Maverick Moonminer ( )

    Wow, I can't imagine how, but you actually managed to piss me off, Frank. Tell me you don't buy into this pinko fascist bullshit!!
    Frank, you're in Southern California, Los Angeles area, right? Here:

    Center Of Behavioral Health 10921 Wilshire Blvd # 913 Los Angeles, CA (310) 443-5406

    Hopefully they can help you...


    I don't believe EVERYTHING on that website.. but a lot of it I do.

    But to his point of it all... we Americans love our criminals.. so we kiss their ass and take care of them in prison. Is THAT justice? Look at China.. have you seen how they treat criminals? Guess what... not many people commit crimes.. cause they know what will happen. You know how much they rip out of my ass each month on my pay check!??! It makes me sick!! I wouldn't be so sick if it went for a Space program... homeless.. schools. Instead it goes to multi million dollar prisions that are overflowing and food for theses peices of shit.

    Mav on Fitshaced does sometimes get into the "kill 'em all now", ok we should NOT do what the Nazi's did.. sometimes it sounds like that.. but I think we certainly need to toughin up the system and not make prison a place where G Money home boy in blue wants to go back. Instead of "Yaw man... did 10 hard years... don't confront me none! Awwwwwww yeah!! LOCK ME UP!! I COULD JUST KILL A MAN!!" cause instead he will be "God damn dooo!! They beat my ass and hooked my nuts up to a car battery while I was in there foo!! NO WAY is dey gettin my ass back in dere!!"

    Instead of saying "who you claim fool?!?" they will be saying "Would you like to Super Size that?"

    Small crimes.. ok so you screw up... you get a second chance.. or two. But this Death Row bullshit is a joke. I think murderes and rapists should get the chair. Not sit on Death Row playing the system taking money away from programs like schools.

    Please tell me your views... This isn't a "This is how I think so all listen" It's "This is my view.. tell me yours."

    Jessica, no not in Southern CA, Northern. Near Sacramento and San Francisco. Since you're interested.. maybe you would like me to show ya around? eeeeh? :::pops breath mint:::

    LOL J/K

    [This message has been edited by Frank (the spank) (edited December 22, 1999).]

    A little to much, except the murder rapist bit. Now the Pot bit is WAY out of line ( goes & hugs tree then slacks off ).

    Check out this site Frank:

    "Perhaps if a particular criminal is of use for entertainment, he can fight in a gladiator pit."

    I REALLY like that idea!!! Ever see "The Running Man"?

    As long as it's not pay per view
    Frank, China is a bad example. Yeah, they don't spend billions a year on prison maintenance, but hey!, guess what? They're a friggin' communist state!! Put it in perspective, if you want all the freedoms that this country offers, you'd better be prepared to also accept the fact that there will always be low-life scum suckers that want to take advantage of the system. That's a law of the universe, my friend.

    Public executions? You need to be careful there. Done properly, without any glorification and hype, with stark lighting so every gruesome detail is highlighted may be effective. But would it really? You would be broadcasting death! You may argue that this potentially dissuades serious criminals from doing their deeds, but I would disagree. The really psycho ones would go on the rampage just so they could make ratings during their execution. Making it a popular "game" show, a la the Running Man or some other contest would only entice the criminals more. "Yo, I gotta knock off three more liquor stores and maybe pop a cap or two and I might make next week's 'Execution Night'!"

    Wow, wouldn't their families be proud...

    Broadcasting (or selling tickets to gladiator contests) these scenes of death would imbue Dick-and-Jane-America in more senseless TV rhetoric. Things would become even more morbid than they are today, the value of human life will deteriorate at an even faster rate, and your kids will be lining up in front of the TV on Wednesday nights to watch the main event: some dude that whacked his family and claimed it was something in his food.

    I don't really know how I feel about that post...but here's a thought...if the criminals knew they were going to die when caught, what would keep them from killing large amounts of people before they were, just for spite?? I can see it now, school/Mcd's every freakin day....great that's all we need.BTW- I'm talking about the folks that are gonna commit crimes NMW.
    Wow, a bunch of senseless sensationalist shit... you fail to mention that this piece only intends to cause anger, and doesn't make any real logical points at all. Nothing is backed by facts at all.

    It's just a stream of conciousness spouting of crap. I see no reason to believe or be taken in by it. Anyone whos opinion is changed by this is an idiot.

    Frank you are a nut, you started off telling us all about all these people that have perpetrated mindless violence, but you also go to some lengths to say that these people are except for their unexplainable actions to be normal regular people, and I suspect that most of them do not have any crimal record or past history.

    How your solution is going to solve the problem you initially brought up, I will never know, suffice it to say there is a real problem there, for which I do not have the answer, (If I had the answer to that question, and many other like them, would any of you really want them, or would you prefer I gave you all the answers to all of lifes questions?) except to say that I can not possibly accept your solution as being the answer, because as I said, you aren't even addressing the problem you outlined initially.

    Frank you are a confused and dismayed young man, I suggest you take a serious look at the address Jessica gave you.

    God save us from extremists with guns.
    Guys, lighten up on Frank. While I admit he has an interesting way of starting a conversation, he has said that he doesn't agree with everything said in the quote, and has made some legitimate points.

    Some things were written that are valid, and others that were not. I can't say I agree with the proposition that all criminals be put to death, but at the same time I think it is reasonable to expect prison life to be unpleasant (Prisoners can watch TV for crying out loud). The original post said, "..The needs of the many outweight the needs of the few..." That is a troublesome philosophy. If the rights of the individual are not protected then there are no rights for anyone in the end. Having said that, however, once you are found guilty of violating society's rules, you can not claim full protection under those rules.

    My GF had an interesting idea with respect to prisons. She thought that all of our garbage should be shipped to prisons. Prisoners would then perform community service by spending 8 hours a day sifting through the garbage and separating the recyclables! Talk about making prison time unpleasant. Hardly cruel and unusual punishment either (Oh, sure, one could make an argument, but it would be a dumb argument).


    What we need is another country. Seriously. I love the idea of America, where everyone is free to do as they please, but for some of us it doesn't really work out. I think that there's a lot of people in this country who are sick and tired of the bullshit that goes on here, and we'd just like to make a fresh start somewhere where we can say what goes without anyone getting in our damn business.

    Err, wait. That's America all over again.

    Seriously, here's what the problem is: our government and the media. There's a reason why we have 50 states and not ONE country - because the states are SUPPOSED to have their own rules and rights. But they really don't. Most states are so blandly similiar to each other that it's depressing when you think of what the original intent of our governmental system was supposed to be. The only states that stand out from the pack are California, Texas, New York, and New Jersey. And that's just because of reputation, not because of laws. All the other states are mind-numbingly alike in being real boring. Sadly, I think it was supposed to be the other way around... in that every state could be WILDLY different from each other for the sake of its citizens, but we were all to unite as one country in the big picture. Instead, we've got everybody lumped together where everyone would swear they're a part of a different society altogether - blacks vs. whites, men vs. women, Catholics vs. Jews, jocks vs. geeks, whatever. But we have to muddle the rules of our society to fit everyone. Everyone should be able to do as they please, but to a point where no one else is crying too loudly about it. I don't think this would be a problem if certain states had different laws and policies aside from sales taxes. I think that half the reason why it's like this is because we've allowed government to bloat to the point of inflexiblity, and half because too many people aren't even THAT interested in their own rights. So the government does as they please regardless of the needs of the people (who all can't stand each other), the media is run the same way as the government and again does as they please, and the rest of us are trapped - either by our own lack of intellectual movement or by everyone else's collective stupidity.

    I believe in the common man, I really do. I believe that most normal people would NEVER rape, kill, sodomize, etc. to any other human being, all they want instead is just to be placidly happy in our capitalist society (aka make money). Some of us, though, feel that we should not let everyone run amok if they choose, because it's OUR lives that are affected by every moron out there that found a gun and shot some people, or that votes for the bad candidate, or that buys sneakers that were made by a 5 year old kid who got paid 2 cents an hour. But it's not THEM who has to move to someplace worse... it's US who have to pick up and go somewhere else where we'd like a change.

    I'm not saying, though, that I'd necessarily move to such a place if it existed. I sometimes like dumb people better than smart people. Dumb people don't usually get arrogant right in my face. If all the smart people decided to pick up and move somewhere, I'd hardly want to follow just so that everyone else could judge me on one or two mistakes I make in my life. But I think that it's very reasonable that people should expect more from society that our current society provides, and we can't force that upon everyone here. I'd say that if you want to go somewhere right now where everything makes more sense and where you can expect more from society, then move to New York City. I plan to try to live there for the rest of my life if I can. Sorry, but I probably would HATE California, and everywhere else is like the boondocks for me. Sure, my ego would mean crap in NYC, but at least that's where all the excitement is, and it's the right mix of bullshit and no bullshit to fit my needs...


    Yeah, those arguments sure hold up.

    "We just need to kill more people and everything will be dandy!"

    What a contrived diatribe.

    [This message has been edited by underthumb (edited December 22, 1999).]

    Dudes... read my second post.

    I don't think if you steal a peice of fruit you should die. Like I said I don't agree with EVERYTHING Mav has to say. What I do agree with? His points about Prison being a summer camp. About when a criminal gets sent to death row he lives a long long life costing you and me tons of cash.

    Prison shouldn't be a cage. It should be a place where criminals go and don't want to come back. They should be made to wear suits and ties during the evening, scrub their cell, and during the day work very hard for their keep. Like the military they should be put in line. They should be taut how to act like human beings not animals. But if they decide to play Mr. tough guy... 5 guards come into your cell and kick you in the nuts till you pass out. Do it again... you get the shit beatin out of you. Land of the free? Yes this is America, land of teh free. But your ass decided to take advantage of that, and while you're in jail you have no rights, you are not free anymore. You couldn't hack it where you had rights and everything else. Now you see what hell is like.

    Just maybe when they come out they won't wanna go back in and maybe they will see just how nice they had it on the outside.

    As for rapists and killers. Death. Rape a girl or woman? Your dick gets chopped off with a rusty dull knife and 3 days later you get death. Killer? You die how you killed other people. And the families should have the choice weather to dish out the sentance.

    Mav does go extreme, but he made valid points ons ome things and thats what I agree with.

    Thanks BrianVan for the long post, I see what you're saying... will we ever have a near perfect justice system? I can dream can't I?

    -Frank (the spank)

    Not to sound crazy, but I'm with Frank.

    Prison should be a place that you fear going to.

    No we shouldn't go to far, but If they guy is on death row (IMHO all states should have this) Give him his 2 appeals, then fry his ass. Don't waste 30k a year (minimum) to keep him alive. I live north of one the largest prison in the easter half of the country. Our state (MI) has more prisons than is even necessary because we don't have a death sentence. And we surely don't make prison a living hell.

    Our Prisoners have more rights than our Soldiers, and I'm personally getting tired of the stupid lawsuits that they file.

    "Yah I'm suing yo ass cause I can't get my penthouse here"

    TO DAMN BAD. Lets stop providing them with Cable TV. Make them Do Something productive. And make it so they don't want to come back.

    hey frank...i agree.....maybe you could be cheif executioner?

    get that AR-15 and take care of those FUCKERS!!


    Well, I for one read through that and saw the author, not Frank. I didn't get upset with him or mad or anything. I do agree about prison, but you need to talk to the prison guards. I watched an editorail about prisons and TV and weights and the prison guards need it or they get killed (that's what bored and angry prisoners do, they attack guards if they don't get access to TV or wieghts or anything). So, until we devise something where prison guards are feared, or guards aren't needed at all (use cyborgs or robots or something instead), then we can think up something else to make prison life feared.

    What was so interesting was his suggestions just made the government even more powerful than it is now! I mean, they are now our baby-sitters, and now you want them to choose who lives or dies? I would definately FIRST get rid of the IRS and just plain out big governments. Once the people whole-heartedly gets back its power and freedoms, then we can go on and deal with domestic problems. I mean, look at how big and powerful the government has become since its infancy! Our forefathers never wanted the government to be like this!! Heck, if they were alive today, they would most likely start a rebellion so the people can be back in charge, and not politicians.

    I'd agree with death for some of the highest crimes. As for ALL the others, physical punishment (caning or whipping works) is a good idea. To see where I'm coming from, go read the novelized version of "Starship Troopers". I'm not sure if it's in the movie or not. It's the section where Mr. Dubois is telling the class about our "stupid" punishment laws (the shooting a dog when grown example part).
    Frank, let me ask you something...have you ever been into a maximum security prison? I have! Several, in fact. It isn't as candy-coated as you make it seem. There is, however, a significant difference between the state and federal level of prisons. Try to figure out where you are marketing your stool, because there is a difference. It is night and day, too.
    I have seen them. I know I make it sound all fun. But it should be 100 times worse!!! It is a cage. It should be hell! Pure abusive hell. Would you wanna go back if it was pure hell? No. You will put down that blue bandana and replace it with a McDonalds hat and not be a shit stain on society.

    Yeah prisions are bad, ever walked down my town at midnight? You tell me whats worse.

    I'm just going to go with suggesting to Frank that he not use Final Solution as a title for a thread about prisons. His intial post seems rather tiresome.


    Who wants to go to prison? Get real. Frank, if this makes you sick, then maybe you should read something else entirely. BTW, the constitution says that if it isn't stated in the constitution, then it is a right retained by the people.

    Yeah, right. The day our government sees the Constitution as an impediment to doing something will be a very cold day in hell. Congress began ignoring the tenth amendment quite some time ago.

    Frank: The fact is prison is far too abusive. I know people who go in there as dope smokin college brats and come out fuckin hardcore. Having to fight to stay alive and getting assraped every week.. It conditions people who go there to violence so when they get out they are MORE likely to commit violent crime. You think having family knife executions will promote family values?! I bet if these laws came into effect you would be the first to die. Your a sick puppy Frank... to think I had some mesure of respect for you before this post...


    I must admit, for the majority of Frank's original post, I was nodding. The points that I caught in there...
    1) Our courts are far too lenient. Evidence is evidence, it must be used.
    2) Punishments are harsh yes. Losing 5..10..15 years of 'normal' life, is a huge sociological problem, but it doesn't actually TEACH any lessons.

    I personally believe that there should definately NOT be anything such as 'Death Row'. I'm sorry, but if I'm gonna die, get it over with. If it's painful, do you really think I care? I'm dead in 2 seconds anyway...

    The other thing that I must say, what happened in Singapore was not necessarily right, but you recall how HUGE of an issue that was to most Americans? They're doing WHAT to a criminal! But all he did was...!? Okay, the consequences frightened THAT many people! Now, I'd have to say, that'd definately be an effective deterent..much more so than 'Juvie'.

    As I said, I don't agree with *ALL* of what was said, the games are a bit too far, and there's NO WAY that any of it should be televised. But I do believe that our system is both too lenient, and too inefficient. You've heard the saying 'an eye for an eye, fight fire with fire'. That's how it should be. You kill someone, you get killed. You beat someone, you get beaten. Simple as that.

    And just so you know, no, I most likely won't spank my children when I grow up. A child and a criminal are two different situations, one is willing to learn because it has to, the other usually isn't.
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    [This message has been edited by Chaz (edited December 23, 1999).]

    Oh but you'll have the tree huggers cry out "Two wrongs don't make a right.. eye for an eye is not the right way"

    My friend told me that, I asked her "Ok Lisa.. what if some sick fuck raped Liz your 4 year old daughter and then slashed her throut, would you wanna pay with your own hard earned money to hold his hand and feed him and house him for the rest of his life?"

    She said "I can't answer that..."

    You see this is what fuckin pisses me off. Theses fuckin hippies don't believe eye for an eye so they protest kick and scream at how we should make prisons more nice. But when something awful happens to THEM, they want justice. What about the families of the victoms that want justice but don't get it because theses ass lickers that wanna pamper criminals made laws preventing justice from being served?!?

    All you that think death by the court system is bad think about if it happened to YOU, if you honestly think if someone killed your child raped your wife that you want to spend YOUR money on making life better for them then you need your head checked. Because YOU are the sick fuck, not people like me that believes in fighting fire with fire.

    -Frank (the spank)

    Ok how about this? somebody frames your son for something he didn't do and BAM he's dead. Hows that you sick fuck?

    Are you suggesting we implement a system that will kill inocent people. Talk about taking freedom away!! Your the biggest Hypocrite I've ever heard. What the hell is wrong with you talking about "freedom through guns" when in reality if this system was put into effect there would be no way that the government would let you carry guns if crime would result in death. "There would be no need" they would say "our super duper death penalty will take care of everything". If you belive otherwise your a fool. This sounds like Nazi bullshit to me!


    PErfectly stated Falcor....

    I think my first post covered that lamer.

    Let me say again... "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few... or the one."-Spock

    Not many people get away with murder, or get framed. I guess you think O.J was framed right? Dude stop watching TV and get your head out of your ass hippy.

    PErfectly stated Falcor....

    Hey look the other kids on the short bus agree with you.

    "::drools:: yeeeeEeEAeH U tEll 'eM burrrrrrr"

    [This message has been edited by Frank (the spank) (edited December 23, 1999).]


    [This message has been edited by Geon (edited December 23, 1999).]

    from Frank's first post:

    Okay. Let's accept this postulate for a second.

    Hmm... Does anyone think that this has some rather large logic holes in it?


    Oh my. Do I smell Stalin/Hitler/Pol Pot/ etc?

    Yeah, go ahead, kill all the 'criminals'! Why not? They are criminals, after all !

    I have only one question. Who determines what makes a criminal? The "Godzilla-turd sized joke"? Or whoever orginally wrote this? Or Frank (the spank)? Or me? Or you?

    oh yeah: any respect for the intellectual integrity that I may have had for the people who seem to agree with any part of the "fitshaced" article I have now lost.



    All of the above. It's called voting.. ya know "Rock the vote, choose or lose!" and trial by jury.


    Das wut I'm talkin 'bout fo0!

    oh yeah: any respect for the intellectual integrity that I may have had for the people who seem to agree with [a]any[/a] part of the "fitshaced" article I have now lost.

    Oh no Geon!!!! What ever you do don't lose respect for me!!! That would just break my fucking HEART!!



    well, voting's a good thing, I won't argue that. But do you want to have the whole country vote on every law? Or do you have so much trust in your representatives in congress to think they will actually make intelligent, benevolent choices?

    Trial by jury is dandy too (I personally think it is a really crappy system, but I don't know of any system that's better), but again, I am not quite sure why you trust someone's *life* to some twelve random dudes who sit and listen to a bunch of spin-doctoring lawyers for a few weeks.


    There, there. Don't take it quite so hard. It's not the end of the world, you know!
    Geez. Anyway, the racial undertones of the original diatribe (whomever it was written by) are too strong to ignore. The people who write that shit ain't talking about criminals, they are talking about niggers.

    Scout around the site. It's subtle, but this just another (albeit spellchecked and semi-intelligent, if youy loosely define 'intelligence' to only include the ability to walk upright and speak in complex sentences) buncha dumb-ass neo-nazis.

    White Power! Woo-hoo!

    Seriously, Franko, you really should be ashamed. I know you like to play the dangerous redneck, and its pretty fucking funny, but this is over the line.

    Or, maybe I haven't given you enough credit for your extraordinary trolling powers.....*sigh*

    Dajjal, spokes-muj for slacker lefties

    [This message has been edited by Dajjal (edited December 24, 1999).]

    Oh wow frank calls me a lamer to cover the fact that he doesn't have an excuse for his lame Nazi arguments. I have but 3 points.

    1. I'm not a fucking hippie: I don't smoke, I hate nature and I don't
    smell like shit

    2. Hmmm not many people framed now... think about how many people will be
    framed for small things by people who don't like em!

    (little hommie): Yo dawg thats my gun!
    (man): no hippie it's mine!
    (little hommie): *calls police he was stolen from by man* so he can chop
    the mans hands off and bill the mans family $7
    for the axe.

    (so you see murder will simply change forms from being with knives to being tattle tales.) the so called "Swift justice" will kill as many inocents as guilty. I'd rather live with criminals then die a shameful death branded wrongly as one.

    3. Wow a fucking NAZI calling me a lamer. I'm insulted.


    Guess ya skipped over the part where I laugh at you

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