

Gen 5 The OU Viability Ranking thread


  1. ginganinja

    ginganinja Dating Haunter

    Apr 13, 2009
    Err what?

    Mixed set is prolly one of its weaker sets, so idk what you are arguing about. I read your post, but all I see really is you whinging that it fails to kill stall and offence at the same time, which a lot of A tier pokemon struggle to do anyway. NP Thundurus-T utterly cleans right through stall, you don't need to run Mixed for it, or Grass Knot, you just run a set of Thunder / Focus Blast / HP Ice / Nasty Plot and nuke everything. Sure, you can be revenge killed (by offensive teams), but 101 base speed isn't terrible in this metagame, which lets you threaten slower shit such as Landorus-T, Gliscor, Politoed, unboosted Dragonite, and a shitload of other things. You might not find the time to Nasty Plot, but against an offensive team, you don't even need too - a LO Thunder fucking HURTS and can and will blast holes through the team. You won't clean "6-0" but your opponent often has a few pokemon that sit at below 101 base speed, which Thundurus can then exploit by forcing your opponent to either sac / have these pokemon crippled etc (to prevent Thundurus-T getting free attacks off them) or choosing a faster pokmeon to take a hit (which are less likely to take a hit from LO Thundurus-T as well).

    Agility is a different kettle of fish, trading the usefulness against stall (which is rare, and BW2 introduced new pokemon which rape stall anyway) for exceptional potential vs Offensive teams (you know, the ones that you say will revenge it). With Agility, your opponent pretty much needs to LO stall you, or pick you off with Priority, neither of which are reliable, and its likely Thundurus-T has taken out a pokemon or 2 by the time you take it down.

    So maybe its not running Agility or NP, heck, maybe its running Double Dance, which lets it pick what boosting move is best for it in a given situation, and then sweeping. Sure, you lose out on coverage, which in turn make you slightly, easier to counter, although depending on its 2nd attack, you can still lose. The set was actually popular recently on suspect for raping that gay Deo-D + 5 sweepers team since Thundurus-T would just punch through with NP + Agility (and be immune to Thunder Wave) but maybe you didn't run into that set so idk.


    Thats what you are comparing. Those are the differences and IMO, Thundurus-T can sweep most of the metagame, the main flaws being that it cannot sweep both stall and offensive teams consistently, as well as being SR weak. But then again, its not the only A tier pokemon that cannot do this so ???
  2. SJCrew

    SJCrew Believer, going on a journey...
    is a Tiering Contributoris a Battle Server Moderator Alumnus

    Jun 22, 2008
    Countering Scizor while blocking exactly one of five OU viable spinners is perhaps the smallest niche I can think of, making it a perfect example of a D-tier Pokemon.
  3. thebrownie


    Oct 11, 2012
    Spinblock with Chandelure? I suppose it's doable, you switch in on spin, hit spinner such that it's in revenge kill range and bring in revenge killer. I hate it, but I guess it works.
  4. Keldeo333


    Aug 7, 2012
    Just put Mew in E rank already. It sucks at everything it does.

    Harsha edit: stop.
  5. Dark Fallen Angel


    May 23, 2012



  6. Tobes


    Jul 16, 2010
  7. Dragonfruit


    Aug 4, 2012


  8. Worldtour

    Worldtour left: Hitmonchan right: rest of RU

    Aug 2, 2010



  9. alexwolf

    alexwolf King of Conquerors

    Jul 3, 2009
  10. RabidChipmunk


    Jul 18, 2012
  11. Chou Toshio

    Chou Toshio @Fighting Necktie

    Aug 16, 2007

    Even its lack of recovery moves is abated by:
    -Immunity to Spikes / T-Spikes
    -SR Resistance
    -Sand immunity
    -Poison immunity



  12. SJCrew

    SJCrew Believer, going on a journey...
    is a Tiering Contributoris a Battle Server Moderator Alumnus

    Jun 22, 2008


  13. Lady Alex


    Aug 28, 2010
  14. The Unlucky one

    The Unlucky one

    Jun 5, 2012



  15. Rayquaza_


    Sep 21, 2010
    Kyurem-B should stay A tier.
    Mixed LO sets have zero safe switch-ins, resist berry sets can lure and OHKO potential counters, good ol' choice sets if played intelligently (re: don't spam Outrage early in the match when Steel-types are still around) are excellent late-game cleaners and it can even pull a pretty decent specially defensive set that only fears Specs Draco Meteors which 1. are incredibly easy to see coming and 2. dragons aren't going to switch on Kyu-B anytime soon.

    The only kind of support it needs is Toxic Spikes removal (SR and Spikes aren't that big of a deal) which can be said for any grounded pokemon that isn't a steel or poison type and I can see quite a few of them in that tier.

    It's amazing how versatile a pokemon with such a shallow movepool can be.
  16. Master of the Six Kings

    Master of the Six Kings

    Jan 2, 2008


  17. Shiny Mew

    Shiny Mew

    Nov 18, 2012
  18. sebixxl


    Sep 16, 2009
    Sharpedo added to B-tier(?)

  19. The Unlucky one

    The Unlucky one

    Jun 5, 2012
  20. RaikouLover


    Aug 31, 2006
    I have a few issues with these tiers.







  21. Dark Fallen Angel


    May 23, 2012




  22. PDC

    PDC bitch please, you must have a mental disease
    is an official Team Rateris a Smogon Media Contributoris a Tiering Contributor

    Mar 18, 2010


  23. TaBuu


    Sep 9, 2012
    Alrighty, looks like this topic is moving forward again, with some interesting Pokemon under scrutiny :)

    With an astounding base 140 Attack, coupled with very solid 105/95/65 defenses Conkeldurr is a threat. This guy may be slow but he packs a heavy damaging, solid coverage priority move in Mach Punch. Guts or Iron Fist could also boost the power of the move. He also has Drain Punch which gives him longevity. Being a Fighting Type, he carries an awesome STAB. He also has a movepool large enough for him to deal with all of this checks and counters (though not all in one set, mind you).
    So why isn't he in the higher ranking? This metagame seems to be harsh on our buddy Conk. Tornadus-T is explanation enough. Offensive rain and Sun can smash Conkeldurr quite easily (to make it worse many sweepers on Drizzle and Drought seem to be Specially Oriented, which really doesn't help). Conkeldurr is dangerous once he gets a boost or two. But before that Conkeldurr is very manageable. Physically defensive Celebi packing Psychic (that'd be me teehee) easily ruins Conkeldurr. Jellicent will crumble Conk into pieces if it doesn't have Payback. His "crippling flaw" persay, would have to be that Conkeldurr can not hold its own too well in this Generation. Conkeldurr is very unique in its own and definitely isn't eclipsed by other 'Mons IMO. However, my final verdict would be "Let's leave him in C-World".


    Dangerous isn't really a word that falls in line with Metagross...
    His Stealth Rock set? I feel Deoxys-D is better at setting up due to superior Defense stats and speed along with utility. (However Metagross has a much better typing)
    Skarmory and Forretress laugh at Metagross being able to taunt or spin everything Metagross tries. Meta can decide to run HP Fire or something but this would leave him open to other 'Mons. TBH it's probably better to allow other teammates to deal with those two.
    His CB Set takes a laughing from Slowbro who only fears Thunder Punch. But then again, he can take one, switch out, Regenerate, then proceed to go into Gliscor, Landorus, Thundurus-T, Breloom, etc.
    Agility isn't intimidating either. He still gets outsped by a host of Pokemon and due to the lack of CB, really can't open up holes and struggles to sweep. Gliscor and Slowbro are able to take on Metagross if it lacks the appropriate move.
    In general weather (a dominant force) really makes Meta's life hell:
    "Weather teams are a particular nuisance to the Metagross's sheen. Sun teams help in diminishing the power of Water-type moves, but it is a double-edged sword as it doubles Metagross's Fire-type weakness. Venusaur can use the Chlorophyll boost to put Metagross to sleep and set up with Growth. Rain teams don't do it any favors either besides eliminating Metagross's Fire-type weakness. While comfortable in sandstorm, Metagross faces significant threats here. Sandslash can revenge kill most offensive variants of Metagross; a Jolly LO Sandslash deals 93.7 - 110.92%, so with a layer of Spikes, Metagross is done for. Landorus, an already threatening foe, becomes more frightening thanks to the Sand Force boost under sandstorm. Special variants of Landorus are popping up too thanks to the release of Sheer Force; these variants target Metagross' weaker Special Defense stat. A max HP and Defense Impish Hippowdon can take most abuse from Metagross and either Slack Off the damage or threaten Metagross with STAB Earthquake." (Smogon Analysis)
    Verdict? "D" best choice is D-Rank

    [Whew it's good to be back....Kinda getting tired of analyzing haha due to laziness...I think this is as far as I want to go right now]
  24. Deluks917

    Deluks917 Ride on Shooting Star
    is a Tiering Contributor

    Nov 9, 2012
    I really wish Metagross got fire Punch.
  25. PK Gaming

    PK Gaming Pursuing My True Self

    Aug 18, 2009

    Mew added to C-tier
    Victini added to C-tier
    Sharpedo added to C-tier
    Ditto added to B-tier
    Aerodactyl added to D-tier
    Amoongus added to C-tier
    Slowbro added to C-tier
    Cobalion added to C-tier
    Virizion added to C-tier
    Chandelure added to D-tier



    Possible Changes

    Metagross up from D-tier ==> C-tier
    Conkeldurr up from C-tier ==> B-tier



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