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RE: CO2 Cart Before the Horse
By mdogs444 on 11/30/2007 12:17:03 PM , Rating: 2
Actually no, thats incorrect. CO2 levels have been as high as 10x greater than are are currently. CO2 has naturally gone into a cycle that has high and low points - we are by no means anywhere close to either extreme.

RE: CO2 Cart Before the Horse
By diablofish on 11/30/2007 12:33:04 PM , Rating: 2
Thanks for the information. But they are higher than they were 50 years ago, right? And 50 years ago plant life was doing just fine, right? So if we reduced our CO2 output to 50 years ago levels, plants would likely live along with everything else currently living on the plant, right?

RE: CO2 Cart Before the Horse
By mdogs444 on 11/30/2007 12:44:57 PM , Rating: 2

That I honestly do not know - as far as exactly fifty years - however, we are lower in CO2 than we have been in the past 20 years as well.


And plant life is still doing just fine today, right?


Hold your horses, not so easy. You need to understand that the overwhelmingly majority of CO2 in relation to earth is not in earths atmosphere, its in the oceans. By decreasing the CO2 output, you may then mess up a cycle of life in the oceans.

So I ask you the same question I ask everyone else - given the fact that there are scientists on both sides of the equation arguing about whether man contributed to global warming, or whether it even exists at all, because there is nothing to show besides a "theory" - and that plant life is going just as fine today as it has 50 years ago, what is your rush to change our entire way of life - for something that we do not understand, cannot prove, and cannot even begin to estimate the disaster it could have by expanding or reducing emmissions (or whether it would change at all)?

People always complain that we are too patient, until we want to go to what is the rush to go to war with the people and the planet over something that you have no idea if it even is a problem?

RE: CO2 Cart Before the Horse
By diablofish on 11/30/2007 1:54:17 PM , Rating: 2

This indicates that CO2 levels today are higher than they have been in hundreds of thousands of years.

Regardless, let's keep this in context. The original concern you had about lowering CO2 was that low levels of CO2 could harm plant life. I agree with that assessment, but the CO2 levels would have to be MUCH lower than they are today or were 50 or 100 years ago when plants were thriving, just as they are today. Since plants have lived with levels of CO2 lower than they are today, we can probably assume that lowering CO2 levels to what they were 50 years ago would have no harm since 50 years ago people, plants, and animals all lived just fine.

My point was that energy efficient equipment and construction has two benefits: lowering energy usage and costs and lowering carbon output.

The environment has more CO2 in it today than in the past 650,000 years, according to the research above. Reducing the level we put into the environment isn't likely to harm plants, agree? And since animals respirate CO2 into the environment naturally, as long as animals keep reproducing, there should be plants to use the CO2.

Frankly, I don't know whether or not CO2 is a pollutant and contributes to AGW - I'm not a climatologist or an expert on the matter. Clearly, there is a consensus among some and strong disagreement among some others as to whether AGW is real - and that's a whole different discussion from the context of what I'm discussing.

RE: CO2 Cart Before the Horse
By Spuke on 11/30/2007 4:41:30 PM , Rating: 2
The problem I have with that data is one of the scientists reports that they'll be studying the data for years yet he's already come to the conclusion that man has created this "excess" amount of CO2. If you have years of data to study, how can you come to any conclusion right after you've collected the data?

