Get the feeling Charles pushing Camilla as Queen?

(173 Posts)
bkgirl Wed 08-May-13 15:10:47

Fine, the Queen is elderly and needs to cut back.
Fine, Charles is stepping up.
Fine, Charles is with Camilla.
However, I feel he is pushing Camilla on to us as queen and frankly with the history of the whole's just not on. Diana was far from perfect (who is) but C&C manipulation of her, from the train carriage just before the wedding to the phonecalls from Britannia during the honeymoon - no. They used her for breeding and I just think to let Camilla become Charles Queen would make a lot of people who are quite royalist lose faith. I really think that's why the poor queen has hung on so long. She is wise. Thank goodness for William and Kate.

Camilla could be some sort of consort but nothing more. Frankly I do not trust Charles at all on this.

And you didn't think this was going to happen when he married her?

scaevola Wed 08-May-13 15:15:42

Yes, of course she'll have a role at his side.

Yes of course he'll want her there, but that doesn't amount to "pushing".

HMQ will have the biggest say.

I dont have a problem with it, he`ll be King, she`ll be Queen.

Whys it a problem?

Sorry, see youve explained your reasoning.

They all married the wrong people at the start, sad for them but it happens. I really dont see a problem with her being queen, but I understood that she will be a consort rather than queen, I think.

JaquelineHyde Wed 08-May-13 15:24:23

How exactly is he pushing Camilla as Queen? I don't quite understand what it is he is supposed to be doing that is so wrong.

Also why on earth would anyone have a problem with her being Queen if Charles becomes King (which I really hope he does).

Numberlock Wed 08-May-13 15:27:52

She must never be Queen!

PetiteRaleuse Wed 08-May-13 15:32:43

What happened to forgiving and moving on? I think everyone in the whole sorry situation needs to be given a break. OK, they misbehaved, but have more than made up for it since. I quite like both of them. Camilla has changed Charles for the better. She seems like a really nice, genuine, down to earth woman who has taken on a pretty tough role for love, having to deal with being the most hated woman in Britain. Same for Kate actually.

Maybe we should change to a system that doesn't give people status just because of who their husband or parents are?

I dont think they`ll be much protest when it happens, I think most people realise that she seems a nice woman, the diana stuff is in the past now, everyones moved on, haven`t they?

"a lot of people who are quite royalist" or a "lot of people who really liked Diana".

His Royal Highness is happy, and married to the woman he has deeply loved all of his life. I can forgive him for making mistakes and for being pushed into a marriage out of his duty to his family and his country. No one could have foreseen the weakness on both sides or the events that led to the terrible tragedy in Paris. If Diane was still alive would you feel differently?

I am a monarchist and have no problem with Camilla becoming Queen, when/if Prince Charles ascends to the throne.

specialsubject Wed 08-May-13 17:13:31

I read a biography of C and C which suggested that Charles was discouraged from marrying Camilla because she wasn't a virgin when they first got together. Blame his parents.

sounds like nobody behaved particularly well, which is why Charles and Di split up. Had she had the sense to wear a seatbelt, hopefully by now she would have grown up and moved on.

Camilla is the Princess of Wales and the next Queen consort.

MardyBra Wed 08-May-13 17:17:01

Well I tend to agree that Diana was used as some sort of brood mare by the Royal Family, and Charles was complicit in this. However, it was partly a problem of public attitudes at the time, where Charles was supposed to marry some untainted, suitably aristocratic gel, and there weren't many of them around.

I don't think Camilla is Princess of Wales though special.

givemeaclue Wed 08-May-13 17:18:15

Hilarious! Note to op: there isn't a vote!

BookSniffer Wed 08-May-13 17:19:30

I think as the wife of the king she should be queen no matter what. It's good that the monarchy are moving on - like the female heir rule and allowing her to be queen could be another sign of that. Queen consort seems a bit silly.

Also, she seems like a game girl grin - i think she'd be great to have a G&T with - and i agree with the poster who said she's been good for Charles.

Not this again. When he is king, she will be queen. Doesn't matter if they call her HRH Wobblebottom Consort, she'll be queen. That's it.

She is also Princess of Wales. He is Prince of Wales. They have chosen to not use the title. She's still it.

Although am pissing myself at poor old queenie apparently thinking, shit, better not croak yet, Charlie boy isn't popular enough...

grimbletart Wed 08-May-13 17:33:54

What I don't understand is why poor old Phil couldn't have been King if a King's wife is automatically a Queen. If Phil's only a Prince why can't Camilla be only a Princess?

I don't give a toss really but I just wonder....

BookSniffer Wed 08-May-13 17:42:08

Grimble - Historically a King is more powerful / important than a Queen hmm so he couldn't be king or he would trump her.

It will be strange to have a king - at least two maybe three. I think us British tend to love our Queens more as a general rule of thumb.

tribpot Wed 08-May-13 17:45:59

grimble - there's no title equivalent to Queen Consort for a king. A king by definition is the ruler whereas a queen may be either regnant or consort.

I don't think they ever will use the title queen for Camilla. I just can't see her giving a toss about it, frankly. And they know it will cause bad feeling so what's the point?

grimbletart Wed 08-May-13 18:11:47

Yes, I was being mischievous as I knew that was the answer.grin Can't have a Queen being more important than a King can we? That would never do. A mere woman, more important than her husband. Tut tut, what is the world coming to?

But as they are rewriting stuff an' all i.e. Act of Succession to stop primogeniture (welcome to the 21st century) can't see why they can't say let's have a King consort or summat.

tribpot Wed 08-May-13 19:28:12

Yes, it would actually have been easier if they'd gender-neutralised the word King and just assigned it to any ruler, male or female. Like President. Given queen comes from a saxon word meaning 'wife' or 'woman', this seems like a weird choice for a ruling monarch.

joanofarchitrave Wed 08-May-13 22:30:16

'they used her for breeding'

that would be the monarchy. And the aristocracy. That's how it works. We don't get to choose our head of state and even if we did we wouldn't get to choose who he or she married.

AmIthatSpringy Thu 09-May-13 00:30:22

Camilla seems up for it

...and yes she is still the Princess of Wales, whether she uses the title or not.

And of course she should be Queen. She is more popular than the Diana-lovers would have us all believe.

whatnowpolonius Thu 09-May-13 00:37:50

If he becomes king, she will automatically be queen. She is technically the Princess of Wales now, they just don't use the title publicly because of the whole Diana thing.

We don't get a choice. That's hereditary monarchy for you.

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