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12:24 AM
Question: Shouldn't "StackExchange: have a space between it on its Twitter?
12:37 AM
@Downgoat Yes, but Twitter limits "real name" to 20 characters
> Your real name can be 20 characters long.
Pick one, Twitter: it's either real or 20 chars long.
Mine would be 27 if the patronymic thing was included (not that I would put it on Twitter).
1:39 AM
> Next privilege >500 Rep.
It's not "greater than", it's "greater or equal"... Is there a big report on this?
As if there aren't enough bugs caused by sloppy handling of equality cases already...
2:41 AM
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3:41 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body: Representing a ranked list, and proving a property of sub-lists by Future on math.stackexchange.com
4:26 AM
Oct 23 at 4:20, by Pandya
@hairboat Can I know who is the CM for http://meta.hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/374/can-we-have-a-different-fav‌​icon-%e0%a5%90-for-hinduism-se#comment2165_552 ?
@ShadowWizard ^^ done!
5:04 AM
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5:29 AM
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5:54 AM
@Pandya not very elegant, but yeah... now she will get notified.
@zaq where you see this? No big report, but there might be bug report... ;)
6:15 AM
@zaq maybe it should be called off if the number of nominees == number of voters
6:30 AM
@rene Heh, has that ever happened?
6:49 AM
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@M.A.R. if it was I assume zaq would have known and mentioned it
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7:04 AM
@rene @M.A.R. I wonder, in real life elections, is there such a thing? e.g. if less than 10% of the citizens cast a vote, the elections are aborted?
@SmokeDetector f
Riddle: what is special about this user?
@SmokeDetector naa
@ShadowWizard Recorded answer as an NAA in metasmoke.
@ProgramFOX @hichris123 does a "fpu" or "f" cause the report to be deleted from metasmoke? e.g. the latest report is no longer here.
(and this link is broken)
@ShadowWizard I saw the post ... so i know
7:14 AM
@rene shhh :D
was the 30 days name changing loop hole fixed?
I guess @M.A.R. knows ...
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7:34 AM
@rene Loop hole?
What do you mean?
@M.A.R. changing displanames more often then the 30 days per site limit
No, you can only change username every 30 days.
There is a 15-minute grace period though.
So if you made a typo, you can fix it.
@ShadowWizard Riddle: what is special about this user?
@M.A.R. but that was per site IIRC
@rene Nope, per network AFAIK
@M.A.R. at least one report to contradict that: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/54986/…
7:44 AM
@rene From 2010
Well, IIRC I wanted to change username in another site than the site I usually change my username in, and it didn't work.
@M.A.R. every post from 2010 is pure gold
The profiles are now associated with each other, so that may have changed.
@M.A.R. OK, so my assumption wasn't that bad
Even the Network profile is in sync with others now
@rene Which is why I upgoated it
8:06 AM
@rene ask @zaq, afaik he's the one changing names most frequently... or used to at least.
Think he mentioned something it's possible only when associating on new sites.
hmm... or maybe creating whole new account using same email, then let the system merge it. Everything is merged, and the 30 days check is bypassed.
@M.A.R. hey, that's my riddle! waving a fist
@M.A.R. some users changed much more often than that.
@ShadowWizard Riddle: what is special about this fist?
@M.A.R. that it's aimed at you :D
@ShadowWizard Riddle: what is special about me?
Anyway, see here: name change in August 2, then here, name change in July 20. Magic? Nope.
8:13 AM
But I am the wizard, and I say: no magic. ;)
Account merge is my best guess. @nicael probably is aware of that as well. ;)
@ShadowWizard Only the shadow of a wizard
8:53 AM
@Magisch but powerful shadow! casts Vanish
9:35 AM
@ShadowWizard Watching this endless list of new questions never gets boring
@ShadowWizard wiZZard actually.
in Shadow's Den, Oct 28 '14 at 8:58, by SPArchaeologist
@ShadowWizard Ever considered changing your name to Shadow Wizzard?
Considered that! :D
10:23 AM
@ShadowWizard User profile on the mobile website.
@M.A.R. To avoid the 30 day restriction, the name change must be to a site profile that did not exist at the time of previous change.
@M.A.R. No, DIY election 1 holds the record for lowest number of votes (25), unlikely to be beaten now that the beta period is much longer than 90 days.
10:43 AM
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11:26 AM
A slight problem with using the hashtag #phillycheesestack is that the internet people aren't great at spelling.
@zaq that link is dead, didn't you mean to link just to twitter.com/hashtag/phillycheesestack?
@ShadowWizard Nah, more than likely there was just a blip.
@hichris123 so it's not @rene fault? :)
It always is. Even if it isn't.
Poor rene...
11:31 AM
What didn't I screw up this time?
5 hours ago, by rene
@SmokeDetector f
I thought it caused the report to be deleted from the metasmoke...
@ShadowWizard only from chat, sometimes, never from metasmoke
Does that win an award for "most confusing sentence of the day"? ;)
nah, still makes far too much sense
@ArtOfCode oh, so just a coincidence... anyway according to this, only delete, del, remove, or gone delete a message of Smokey.
11:46 AM
@ShadowWizard those are the commands to manually remove a message, yeah, but f will also automatically remove it, if that's possible
@Art if you mean it's deleted here, it's because the source post was deleted while the chat message can still be deleted.
yeah, that
But it won't be deleted in Charcoal.
or someone said f while the message could still be deleted
11:47 AM
Charcoal keeps a record. In Charcoal HQ posts will only be deleted manually (by sd remove or somesuch or by sd f, but not when the post is deleted)
@ShadowWizard If you f in Charcoal, it gets deleted
@ArtOfCode nope, I don't think so. @hichris123 will "f" cause the chat message from Smokey to be deleted, same as "del"?
If you just want a canonical reference source, your best bet is metasmoke.
@ShadowWizard yes, it will
@ArtOfCode hmm... so better document it in that wiki page...
true, lemme go do that
11:51 AM
@ArtOfCode k
If the negative score on posts is hidden from the OP then the -2 rep change should be dropped too. It has no effect on user privileges in practice, only serves as a source of grievances.
@ShadowWizard done
This would also kind of fulfill the evergreen request about requiring comments. If you want someone to know their post was downvoted, you'll have to leave a comment.
Revenge downvotes will be a lot less satisfying, too.
@ArtOfCode cheers!
11:59 AM
@zaq /me doesn't get as much satisfaction out of revenge down voting as advertised
@zaq with low rep users it does. User with 12 reputation gets two downvotes, and lose the most basic privilege.
If ye really want to see how the "focus on content and not users" will work, and avoid those serial downvotes issues, I still ask Stack to do the big step and hide any reference to the post owner and the post owner rep score.
Make only the score on the post public.
12:15 PM
@ShadowWizard So they can't post images anymore because their jQuery answer was wrong... Doesn't make much sense to me. If a user has posted something that didn't merit deletion, I'm okay with them having the most basic privileges from that point onward.
@zaq so they can't post images if the site users think they contribute low level contents. Makes sense to me.
The restriction on images is meant against spammers and trolls, explicit abuse of the site. Not bad answers or lazy questions.
grabs popcorn
The situation where someone got a privilege they should not have is unlikely to be fixed with downvotes. If it's a spammer who got a misguided upvote, it's fixed by spam flags. If it's a voting ring, the solution is a moderator flag.
@Bart want some?
12:30 PM
@zaq it's more than just that. It also let them have links in their profile (i.e. makes the links clickable), which is kind of bonus. If they post bad contents, they don't deserve a bonus.
@Derpy at this point in time I'd prefer Ibuprofen or something similar
@Bart migraines again? :(
raccoon or baboon, which one do you identify with more? @zaq
@ShadowWizard yup
@Bart At least not paracetamol
12:31 PM
But... it's only Wednesday...
That will mess up your liver
Anyway surely @M.A.R. can grab some for you, @Bart
@Magisch I'm up to 3 today. And Ibuprofen hurts your stomach
There's no winning
use some codeine
Did that ... not great either
12:31 PM
@Bart Go "screw it" and just go for pure morphine?
ships the complete inventory of Trekpleister to @Bart ...
@Bart Are there no soft gel equivalents of Ibuprofen where you live?
I want to try morphine somedays
A friend of mine is studying to become a nurse and is since deadly afraid of paracetamol because apparently lots of people accidentally kill themselfes with it
12:33 PM
@Magisch That's overrated. People can die because of eating too much bananas.
@Magisch they do, it's stupidly easy to overdose on it and it doesn't play nice with anything else.
I should ask @M.A.R.
And accidentally killing yourself with para is a very slow and agonizing death
The only difference here is that drugs are easier to eat a lot.
IB is way safer
12:33 PM
people can die from drinking too much water too fast
@Magisch sounds like life :p
You can irreparably wreck your liver with 1,5 times the recommended daily max dose
@Magisch and you kill yourself at about 1.7-1.8. Yeah.
while to do the same with ibu I'm not sure you could swallow enough of that before puking
doesn't help that dying from it isn't instant
@Magisch easiest way with IB is add alcohol
12:34 PM
You'll wake up in hospital and have 2-3 days to regret your decision as you invariably wither away and die of cascading multiple organ failure.
Being a paramedic isn't about knowing how to save lives, it's about knowing what the ways to abuse things to kill people is, clearly
Hoomin body has various systems that operate in certain conditions.
You change the conditions, and they fail. Simple as that.
The friend I was talking about
@Bart just so you don't confuse all this: above advise will NOT make you feel better. So please put down that bottle of whiskey
12:36 PM
got a therapist after seing 2 kids that accidentally overdosed on paracetamol
wither away slowly while their mother cried at their side
You remembered me of something I read once on a science article. Something about a mushroom that is "poisonous" only when you eat it twice.
Can we please not call it para? It's confusing.
@rene hehe, no worries. I don't drink, so no danger of that.
how do I obtain pure morphine?
@Mag your friend is not cut out for this job
carry on and she'll see much worse
12:37 PM
@ArtOfCode probably not
@Telkitty ask on LH.se
@Derpy Anything mushroom-related or pain-killer related is messing with the nervous system.
And that's the weirdest part of the body, so.
There is something extra cruel about knowing its coming but it still takes 2-3 days for them to fully die. And you can't tell the family that they're just going to die no matter what.
Amanita muscaria, commonly known as the fly agaric or fly amanita, is a mushroom and psychoactive basidiomycete fungus, one of many in the genus Amanita. Native throughout the temperate and boreal regions of the Northern Hemisphere, Amanita muscaria has been unintentionally introduced to many countries in the Southern Hemisphere, generally as a symbiont with pine and birch plantations, and is now a true cosmopolitan species. It associates with various deciduous and coniferous trees. This iconic toadstool is a large white-gilled, white-spotted, usually red mushroom, and is one of the most recognisable...
12:38 PM
@Magisch You like dark stories don't you
Not particularly
@M.A.R. nope, that was something weirder than the standard toxic mushroom. I seem to remember that it worked because the first time you eat it, the body immune system would develop specific reaction, and the reaction would then basically kill you if you happen to eat the mushroom a second time.
Sure, that's not unlikely at all.
It is like when a child has a blood class that is incompatible with the mother ... the first child usually has no problem.
the second one is in grave danger.
No, that's irrelevant.
I'm thinking of the possible reaction mechanisms.
12:43 PM
@ShadowWizard This is really arbitrary. If they post bad contents, the correct privilege to take away is posting, not having links in profile. Which happens via a process that does not rely on rep cutoffs.
It could be an auto-catalytic reaction after the immune system has changed the original molecules into reactive radicals.
But that's rare.
I better not make speculations when I don't know anything about it.
I wonder why healthcare professionals aren't paid better

Your body will create antibodies (proteins) against the baby's Rh-positive blood. These antibodies usually don't cause problems during a first pregnancy. This is because the baby often is born before many of the antibodies develop.

However, the antibodies stay in your body once they have formed. Thus, Rh incompatibility is more likely to cause problems in second or late
I know I know
12:44 PM
Near minimum wage isn't enough to put up with all this heartbreaking crap
But that can't be related to the mushroom toxicity thing.
@M.A.R. Told you, I don't remember the name of the mushroom.
Rhesus and blood globules are a totally different story.
Laetiporus sulphureus is a species of bracket fungus (fungus that grows on trees) found in Europe and North America. Its common names are crab-of-the-woods, sulphur polypore, sulphur shelf, and chicken-of-the-woods. Its fruit bodies grow as striking golden-yellow shelf-like structures on tree trunks and branches. Old fruitbodies fade to pale beige or pale grey. The undersurface of the fruit body is made up of tubelike pores rather than gills. Laetiporus sulphureus is a saprophyte and occasionally a weak parasite, causing brown cubical rot in the heartwood of trees on which it grows. Unlike many...
But I do remember that the explanation was related to antibodies
12:46 PM
The body might become allergic to it after eating it for the first time.
> The mushroom produces the Laetiporus sulphureus lectin (LSL) which has haemolytic and haemagglutination activities. Haemolytic lectins are sugar-binding proteins that lyse and agglutinate cells. The haemagglutination and haemolytic activity are started by binding carbohydrates.
That doesn't explain why nothing happens the first time.
What that explains is that you should go bye bye as soon as you consume it.
Or prolly there's something in the agglutination process that I missed
> ... After this I gave up eating the thing. I have since been told that it’s possible to develop an allergy to L. sulphureus over time. It’s also possible that something in the mushroom builds up in my body, so when I eat it for a second time (soon after the first) I get poisoned.
Same happens with other types of foods though.
Might be a good bio.SE question.
12:49 PM
e.g. my sister became allergic to several kinds of nuts after years of eating them without any problem.
@ShadowWizard The opposite also works
I used to be allergic to citrus fruit
@Magisch yeah, but very few people would dare to try eating something they know they're allergic to...
After ignoring that and eating lots of citrus for years, it eventually just went away.
@Magisch you're.... ... weird. ;)
Depends on the allergy, I just got non-hurting red hives across my arms and legs from it
12:51 PM
In my sister's case it's severe, and can result in death if she won't take a special pill.
wouldn't try that with meat though
If I eat meat I get to feel like absolute crap for a week afterward
@Magisch true, I used to be allergic to iodine. No longer am.
@zaq true. Still, linking privileges with reputation makes sense. And making downvotes reduce reputation also makes sense. Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this...
Chicken is somehow less bad then red meats, but still bad
@ShadowWizard this one seems to accumulate in the body until it becomes fatal. This other is know to be able to cause an autoimmune reaction but is more "luck based".
12:56 PM
@Derpy oh. So many different types of mushrooms... and poisons....
The one I remember begin described in that paper was about a mushroom that almost always caused an autoimmune reaction, but "when eaten a second time" - like I said, I seem to remember that it worked because the first time the body would just produce antibodies but the "reaction time" was too slow to actually be dangerous (the mushroom toxin wouldn't live that long)...
second time - you are done for, your body already had the antibodies and the resulting immune reaction was mostly fatal.
not exactly a mushroom you want to see.
@Bart so you're at sick leave now at home, at least?
@ShadowWizard nope. in the office.
@Bart but... headache... how can you work??
@SmokeDetector f
@ShadowWizard let's just say I'm not productive.
1:01 PM
Some companies foolishly think its better to have people @work sick instead of @home
Hence why unlimited mandatory sick leave is a thing here
Oh, I could go if I wanted to. But I have too much to do
@Magisch welcome to Humanity: proudly making our lives worse since int64.Max B. C.
@Bart I see many users simply post their task/workitem as a question on SO and then wait to get it answered. You might try that ...
When I first came here (before I had an account) I had that idea
With my first assignment in the new job
Then I felt dirty about it and refrained instead.
1:09 PM
@rene haha, not sure that it would work as a question. And it would violate several NDAs
I was thinking.... what is the locale identifier for a Klingon .resx file?
their language is called tlhIngan Hol and the planet I think was Kronos....
so maybe Resource.tl-KR.resx would work?
@Derpy I'm sure it is not in ISO3166, strangely enough
don't locale ID's go language-COUNTRYCODE?
You'd need the country, not the planet
Shows that standard is outdated
1:18 PM
@ArtOfCode I am sure that they will have changed it by then.
en-GB, en-US, de-DE, fr-CA, fr-BE, fr-FR
.... yep, just found the same link.
I was going to post it right now. Have a star
tlh-QON seems appropriate. Now, I will only have to translate all the app messages in klingon.
1:25 PM
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QKR? Is that available?
no, okay, XKR?
seems the tlh part is documented
This is a list of ISO 639 codes and IETF language tags (BCP 47) for individual constructed languages, complete as of November 2009. ISO 639-2 and ISO 639-5 also have the code art for other artificial languages. BCP 47 similarly has the subtag art, which together with the subtag x can be used to create a suitable private use tag for any constructed language that has not been assigned an official language tag (e.g., art-x-solresol could be used for Solresol, or art-x-Latino-sine-flexione for Latino sine flexione). The old SIL language identifiers (usually written in capitals) are officially obsolete...
@rene and actually it seems that ISO 639-3 does define the Klingon language code.
pr0blam solved
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Q: Project Reduplication of Deduplication Has Begun!

Tim PostWhile announcing the second iteration of the Stack Exchange quality project, I not-so-briefly alluded to a collaboration we're kicking off with the University Of Melbourne. The project presents some very interesting possibilities for us if their model validates as well as is hoped: Knowing ve...

On one hand, I want to edit the site names to match what they actually are. On the other hand, the actual site names tend to be stupid.
"Android Enthusiasts" is more like "Android Sufferers" in reality...
5:05 PM
And I don't think they'll get much data out of that site. Since losing mod election, Firelord has dramatically reduced activity, and there aren't that many regulars with 3K and time to spare...
Q: Remove the reputation reduction (-2) for downvotes received

Normal BotThe proposal is change the reputation effect of downvotes received from the current -2 to 0. A downvote would reduce the score of a post, but generate no notification with "-2" in it. The "-2" entries in reputation log are reasonably effective in creating problems, such as: annoying otherwis...

TBH, this makes a LOT of sense.
Prolly some of the downvotes are because the train of thought is seemingly headed the same way as the usual whine.
Alas, I don't think it'll ever be implemented.
Oh wait. O.o
Normal Bot posted it. O.O
My bots are smart, what can I say.
But I'm still smarter, because I get to keep my inbox free of noise in this way.
@zaq Well, that's only four notifications.
5:26 PM
Also, I get to keep the downvote privilege that I might have lost otherwise. Ironically.
@zaq Boo. Not SO?
Actually, I wonder... what site has this highest % of dupes?
(Is it meta?)
@hichris123 perhaps training their model on SO data takes months instead of hours / days...
@hichris123 probably, you can search for duplicate:1 on a few sites to confirm, may be easier than writing a cross site query
572/17,882 on Chem
Obviously, as sites grow bigger, this ratio will decrease.
SO, of course
17,401/79,984 Meta.SE
This has got to be the highest ratio.
More than 20 percent
SO may be highest among non meta sites. Lots of canonical stuff that gets asked anyway, and many gold tag badge holders.
6:13 PM
@zaq no kidding, but the benefit might be x times greater
Yeah, but the idea is to confirm the model works. If it doesn't on medium-sized sites, then don't have to spend resources on SO.
It may be the authors of the model don't even have sufficient resources to handle SO themselves, and would need SO-the-Company to do something on their servers.
Makes sense. But once you add code to the mix, things are going to wildly change. Perhaps for the better, perhaps for the worse.
Actually, are they just striping code? I should read the paper...
6:28 PM
Just me or does that paper barely talk about methodology and pretty much just talk about results?
Yeah. But it answers your question about SO.
> Annotating 3.9 billion question pairs to find these is infeasible. We therefore need to find more ways to reduce the number of annotations needed to find these and hope to do that in future work.
Since they are squaring the number of questions on the site...
Ah. Makes sense.
1.6e14 pairs of questions on SO.
6:32 PM
@zaq That suddenly sounds way too much
Closest I can find to what they did is:
@zaq Well, highest in the number, not the ratio
> The retrieval methods we used were TF-IDF, BM25 [16],
and a language model with Dirichlet smoothing (LMD) [14,
13]. We used question titles and descriptions as queries,
and full threads (questions and all their answers) as indexed
-1 Hard line breaks.
Which suggests no stripping of code/anything.
@zaq Can't blame me for that one.
6:33 PM
But I do. I removed them from the quote I posted.
Sometimes I wish PDF's had downvote buttons.
@zaq Too much work with mobile chat...
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8:53 PM
8 messages moved to Chimney
I'm about to roll the dice on another Q&A for SO.
9:42 PM
10:16 PM
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10:59 PM
Duplicate rate at SO is actually lower than I thought, despite all the dupe-hammering...
SO 268741/12667400 = 2.1%
Math 17266/678896 = 2.5%
AU 23713/244979 = 9.7%
SU 10798/105766 = 10.2%
It seems SU holds the record (ignoring Meta)
11:10 PM
I must confess, when I see you, I have the same kind of dirty thought as those a magpie would when she sees a piece of meat ... @zaq
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11:44 PM
@SmokeDetector f bomb right back at you
