Sunday, May 30, 2021

What If 'Follow The Prophet' Could Get You Killed?

Previously: The Brain God Gave You

I'm encouraged by the growing number of members who are discovering that "follow the prophet" is a false doctrine.  Joseph Smith actually berated the saints for depending on him, warning them that their overdependence on the prophet was causing them to be "darkened in their minds." That was a nice way of saying that their penchant for following the prophet was turning them stupid.

God, on the other hand, didn't mince words.  He did not just warn against trusting in men, he said those who did so would be cursed. (2 Ne 28:31, Jer 17:5, Jer 7:8, et al.)

You will search in vain for any scripture promoting the idea that we should follow and obey the leaders of the Church.  Joseph Smith was the only president of the Church who was ordained of God to also be a prophet, and even in that instance God did not advise us to follow or obey Joseph.  God tells us we should "heed" (not obey) only those words Joseph received directly from God through revelation. (D&C 21:4-5)

God has never said anything remotely resembling that regarding any other president of the church.  If you believe he has, please show me the revelation.  Joseph Smith is the only one whose words we are told to "heed," and even then the words we are told to heed are not Joseph Smith's words, but the words of Jesus Christ who spoke through Joseph.

So what are we to think when modern leaders of the LDS Church try to convince the members that they should run right out and get a "vaccine," when the very government agency charged with approving vaccines still refuses to approve any of the covid injections as ready to go? 

Does that surprise you?  Did you think this vaccine has already been given the stamp of approval by the government agency charged with that duty?  It has not. Do you know why the Food and Drug Administration has not approved these so-called "vaccines"?  It's because those "vaccines" have not yet undergone the trials required by law to be proven safe and effective.  So, assuming Church leaders want you to try a "vaccine" that may or may not even work, that still doesn't explain why Russell Nelson et al would be so anxious to see you put your life and health at risk, given that even the scientists charged with the testing are not able to give it their approval.

With all the hype from the media and politicians trying to convince you to take the injection, you may think these medicines have passed all the rigorous trials.  They have not. The various injection medications have not been approved for general use. They have been authorized for emergency use only.  "Authorized" is not the same as "approved." That's specified right there in the law at U.S. Code 21 Sec. 360bbb-3.

Are You Dying of AIDS?  
If you're old enough to recall the AIDS epidemic, you may have seen horrifying videos of AIDS patients dying slow, agonizing deaths from that disease.  Watching these videos was heartbreaking, as a person with AIDS slowly wastes away until finally, months later, comes the sweet release of death.

At that time there was no known treatment for Acquired Immune Deficiency.  And as the name implies, there was no method known to strengthen the immune system against it.  And then one day it was announced that the FDA was running trials on a new drug known as AZT that might show promise.  The catch? The FDA would not approve the use of this drug for AIDS patients because, without the usual tests, trials, and further research which requires 5-10 years before any new drug can go on the market, there was no way of knowing whether AZT was safe, let alone whether it was effective.  So they wouldn't let anyone have access to the drug, because for all the government knew, if an AIDS patient took AZT, it could kill him.

AIDS victims said, "look, we're dying anyway.  We don't care about the side effects, at this point we're willing to try anything!"

As a result of the public outcry, use of AZT was authorized under U.S. 21 for Emergency Use Authorization, which allowed people to try an unapproved drug as long as the recipient was willing to assume all the risk.  If something went wrong, the patient could not sue the government or the pharmaceutical company that manufactured it.  The underlying assumption was that the patient understood the drug was experimental.  They knew they were taking a gamble. The risk was theirs and theirs alone.

Happily,  AZT turned out to be a successful treatment for quite a number of AIDS patients, and it led to further advances for those suffering with AIDS.  So that story has a happy ending. 

But it's important to understand that AZT was an experimental drug, and the people who couldn't wait to take that drug became willing guinea pigs on which the drug was tested for nearly a decade.  Why not?  What did they have to lose?  AIDS was certainly going to kill them, so they were willing to be experimented on if there was even a tiny chance it might not.

Are You Dying of Covid? 
So here's the pertinent question: if the Covid vaccine has been authorized for emergency use like AZT was, where is the emergency?  With a virus that has an almost imperceptible fatality rate of between one and two percent (depending on the age of the patient), what would motivate the average American to put himself at actual risk, given the deleterious effects already experienced by many who have already taken that gamble?

We now know that what is being called a pandemic is anything but a pandemic. A pandemic is properly defined as a disease that spreads across many countries.  Okay, fine.  But this one turned out to be nowhere near as deadly as we were initially told.  Tony Fauci's earliest prediction, the one he published along with two colleagues in the New England Journal of Medicine, turned out to be accurate. The Sars-CoV-2 virus, popularly known as COVID-19, ended up being akin to a severe seasonal flu as predicted. Some people do die from the flu, but not that many. Most people get better. (See my first blog post on this topic, Science Is Your Friend, for an excerpt from that report and more.) 

As we all know, the establishment inflated the death numbers to make it appear that nearly three and a half million people died of Covid, when most of those people actually died from heart disease, cancer, pneumonia, diabetes, old age, and obesity.  The actual number of people who died who only had covid and no other illness was somewhere around ten thousand. But everyone coming into a hospital who was on the verge of death for any reason were tested for Covid, and surprise, surprise! Nearly everyone tested positive.

Yes, no matter what illness a person complained of when they entered a hospital, an overwhelming number were "diagnosed" with having covid as well.  This was due to what has been exposed as a faulty method of testing using the RT-PCR test. So if your grandma was in the hospital breathing her last, no matter what the reason was she originally came in for treatment, COVID was invariably stamped on her death certificate because every patient who dies "with" covid translates into a financial benefit for the hospital, courtesy of American taxpayers.  The reality is you can get a positive test from anyone by ratcheting up the cycles on a PCR test above 35,000, which was being done constantly.  Many perfectly healthy people have tested positive with the PCR test; you may have been one of them.  In Tanzania,  A container of motor oil and a papaya tested positive for Covid. So Covid "cases" mean absolutely nothing. Sometimes numbers do lie.

The Virus Is Real But The Pandemic Is A Hoax
If there was an actual, emergency pandemic, you would be hearing sirens in the streets day and night. Hospitals would be overflowing (they're not), people you know would be dropping dead,  and graveyards would be...well, they'd be like graveyards.  But a peek at the total number of people who died in 2020 compared with the total number of people who died the year before -and pretty much every year before that- shows there has not been a skyrocketing number of deaths since Covid became the disease du jour. If we were in the midst of a real pandemic, there would be a massively large number of deaths compared to the previous year.  Instead, the number of people who died last year was very close to the number that died the year before. And the number of people who have died so far this year is on par with the yearly average. 

In other words, people die every year from heart disease, cancer, pneumonia, diabetes, old age, and obesity.  And of course, there's the usual number of people who die each year from the flu, which for some reason seems to have disappeared from the scoreboard in 2021.  A cynic might say the reason nobody got the flu this year was because everyone who actually had influenza was counted as having Covid.  Put another way, if everyone who had the flu was actually counted as having had the flu, the Covid numbers would be way down.  And if the Covid numbers were way down, what would the politicians use to keep scaring the pants off us?  The common cold?

If there was truly a pandemic caused by the coronavirus, there would be a massive number of people dying from Covid-19 in addition to the usual number of people who die every year from the flu.  But there isn't. Everything remains pretty much the same, aside from the fact that no one seems to be dying of the flu anymore.  So why is  that?  What the heck happened to the annual flu statistics?

Guess Who Had The Flu This Year?
I can't speak for anyone else, but I can tell you my wife and I caught the flu in January (we can tell the symptoms, which are different from the symptoms for SARS-CoV-2) and from there my illness morphed into the usual bronchitis I tend to come down with every winter. I could tell by my symptoms that it was bronchitis (I'm no stranger to the malady) but before my doctor would prescribe the prednisone I requested from him, he insisted I get tested for Covid "just in case." If I wanted the prednisone, I would have to comply, so I did. But I knew the test would be useless, and here's why: when a person is said to have tested positive for Covid, we are conditioned to believe he has the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which is a very serious thing.  But it's actually quite rare that someone would come down with the COVID-19. Very often the patient has come down with nothing more serious than the common cold.

As Dr. Joseph Mercola explains:
The problem with antibody testing is that there are seven different coronaviruses known to cause respiratory illness in humans. Four of them cause symptoms associated with the common cold:

In addition to the common cold, OC43 and HKU1 — two of the most commonly encountered betacoronaviruses — are also known to cause bronchitis, acute exacerbation of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease and pneumonia in all age groups. The other three human coronaviruses — which are capable of causing more serious respiratory illness — are:


A positive test result shows you may have antibodies from an infection with the virus that causes COVID-19. However, there is a chance a positive result means that you have antibodies from an infection with a virus from the same family of viruses (called coronaviruses), such as the one that causes the common cold. (Dr. Joseph Mercola, "Common Cold May Trigger Covid-19 Antibody Test")

So when I was told I had tested positive for the coronavirus, I naturally assumed it was either OC43 or HKU1, since either one of those are the coronaviruses that would have caused my bronchitis.  The test result I received in the mail didn't specify, so I called around until I got someone from the lab. But all she could tell me was that I tested positive for Covid, by which, of course, she meant I tested positive for the coronavirus. Down here on this lower rung of the ladder, your basic lab technician has no idea there are different types of respiratory coronaviruses.  They know nothing other than the test tells them the patient tested positive for the coronavirus.  Precisely which coronavirus, they haven't a clue.

I've read enough studies to know that if I had actually come down with the SARS-CoV-2 virus, I would most likely be dead. THAT is the serious coronavirus, and the reality is very few Americans have contracted that particular strain.  Remember last year how everyone was panicked because there weren't going to be enough ventilator machines to go around?  Those might have been needed if there was a true epidemic of SARS-CoV-2, but since most "cases" of Covid-19 were most likely the coronavirus responsible for colds and flu, those machines were almost never needed.

Remember when President Trump was hospitalized with Covid?  Certainly if an intubator was needed, the President of the United States would have had access to one.  But he didn't need one, not because he's such a boss, but because, like most Americans, he probably had a cold or the seasonal flu.  The doctors -also the best medical experts available- gave him some medicine and had him rest up a few days, then he walked out of the hospital and went back to work. Just like you did the last time you caught the flu and then got over it.

By the way, I never got that prednisone I requested because my doctor was unsure of whether it would react negatively, what with my having Covid and all. So I treated it myself using a mixture of saline and food grade hydrogen peroxide in my nebulizer machine and was a lot better in two days. You can find instructions HERE with a lot more detail and video instructions HERE (P.S. it also cured my "Covid-19")

Somebody Wants You Injected
Given all the hype from the media and politicians, you wouldn't know that the covid shots have not been approved by the FDA, but merely allowed under the same Emergency Use Authorization that permitted people to allow themselves to be the guinea pigs for testing AZT.  Media talking heads and feckless politicians are currently drowning out the voices of actual medical professionals who are trying to tell you that the covid vaccines are experimental and therefore potentially dangerous.  It shouldn't surprise us that it is the medical professionals -at least a thousand frontline doctors and nurses as well as virologists, epidemiologists, biochemists, and other experts in disease- who are issuing dire warnings about the growing number of adverse reactions among vaccine recipients, including permanent disability and death. 

A highly unusual number of deaths.

If you are at all curious as to why the ruling class is so anxious to get everybody vaccinated, and you suspect all this talk of "vaccine deniers" is just a smokescreen...well, it is. There is a frantic campaign to get you to ignore the science and the scientists who are trying to get the truth out.  Below is a presentation by Dr. Christiane Northrup, one doctor among many who are alarmed at what is currently happening. In light of all the propaganda you're getting through the media, you might want to consider this a crash course in "Covid Vaccines 101."  It's a perfect introduction as to why you may want to reject the now panicked push from certain politicians, reporters, and church leaders:

If you're unable to view the video, Here Is The Link on Bitchute. 

Attention People of Earth:You Are Being Lied To
We are bombarded every day by the opinions of moronic pundits who haven't taken a class in science since the 9th grade and are probably not even aware those subjecting themselves to the "vaccine" are being used as guinea pigs. So why would you want to participate? To what end could you possibly benefit? There is certainly no upside to taking the jab, but the risks are enormous. 

Just last week the CDC reported over ten thousand people who had been vaccinated wound up being infected anyway. That does not take into account the thousands who have been harmed or the hundreds who have died. I can't even keep up with the number of deaths among the recently vaccinated, but you can check out THIS SITE -one of many that are attempting to catalog all reports where people have died or had serious reactions after taking the shot. 

So here's the thing: if you are a member of the church who still buys into the false teaching that you should "follow the prophet" on this topic, the question you might want to ask yourself is "why?"

Does the God who gave you the ability to think and reason really want you to risk your health and possibly your life just on the say-so of men who hold title and position in the church? If you believe Russell Nelson has received a revelation from God saying church members should all take the vaccine, why has he not published that revelation so you can read it and pray about it and receive a witness from the Holy Ghost? And if he has not received a revelation telling you God wants you to take this vaccine, why in heaven's name would you want to take advice from him that could very possibly ruin your life and the lives of those you love?

This Church has had many presidents, but only one was ordained of God to be His prophet. If you want to "follow" a president, then go right ahead. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.


 Click here for the next entry: When Church Leaders Teach Contrary to God 

Related Links:

I've written a number of posts on this blog tracing the strange teaching that members of Christ's church should follow the prophet without question.  Here are a few:

Follow the Prophet: True or False?

Why Heed Prophetic Counsel?

Who Died and Made Him Prophet?

Have You Voted For the New Church President Yet?

Did the Lord Choose Not to Anoint 'The Lord's Anointed'?

          Where Did the Oracles Go? 

A House Divided Against Itself By Vaccinations is the latest thoroughly researched post at  Always highly informative and armed to the teeth with information.

Consistent with the CDC report above showing over ten thousand people have come down with the virus after being vaccinated, noted French virologist Luc Montagnier has said the Covid vaccines reflect a scientific error as well as a medical error and that the history books will show it was "an unacceptable mistake." Watch that interview HERE

I cribbed the graphic at the top of this post from Ben McClintock's Youtube channel "Defending Utah" where he comments on a piece by Jana Reiss in the Salt Lake Tribune titled "Half of U.S. Latter-day Saints are 'Vaccine Hesitant' or Vaccine Refusers."  You can read the Tribune article HERE and watch Ben's commentary HERE.

Take it from me, watching senate hearings can often be tedious, but every now and then I catch something that makes me sit up and take notice. On May 11th of this year Senator Richard Burr was questioning Tony Fauci and representatives from the FDA and the NIH when out pops this surprising exchange:

Senator Burr: (02:25:51)
Okay. This question, I’m going to go to Dr. Fauci, Dr. Marks, and Dr. Walensky. What percentage of the employees in your institute, your center, or your agency, of your employees, has been vaccinated?

Dr. Anthony Fauci: (02:26:13)
I’m not 100% sure, Senator, but I think it’s probably a little bit more than half, probably around 60%.

Senator Burr: (02:26:19)
Dr. Marks?

Dr. Peter Marks: (02:26:21)
I can’t tell you the exact number, but it’s probably in the same range. Some people vaccinated at our facility, and others outside of the facility.

Senator Burr: (02:26:30)
Dr. Walensky?

Dr. Rochelle Walensky: (02:26:31)
We’re encouraging our employees to get vaccinated. We’ve been doing town halls and education seminars. Our staff have the option to report their vaccination status, but as you understand, the federal government is not requiring it, so we do not know.

The "employees" of those agencies are mostly seasoned scientists and medical researchers.  If half of them have not yet taken the jab, I'm inclined to believe they have their reasons.  Do they know something their agency heads don't want to admit?  You can watch that exchange HERE at 02:25:51. 

And this just in: Mike Adams, also known as The Health Ranger, reports having received a direct warning from a government insider that the deep state is planning a massive false flag event that will produce many casualties and be blamed on "anti-vaxxers" and gun owners. The event will be used to confiscate firearms nationwide and criminalize all anti-vax speech online. 

Take that for what you will, but I'm inclined to believe him. Mike, like many others, has meddled with the forces of evil for a long time and today he sounds genuinely rattled. You can hear Mike's report by clicking HERE

I could post links here all day, but if you really want to keep up with the latest developments on the dangers of the "vaccines" check out my Facebook page where I add what I consider pretty important stuff every day.  There's some goofy stuff on there, too, so if humor is not your bag, ignore those and go straight for the horror stories.

Finally, don't forget to watch this 28 minute presentation by Doctor Christiane Northrup I linked to earlier.  This is important. If you're not already horrified, alarmed, and angry, this oughta do it.

Okay, one more: If People Get Jabbed After Watching This, They Are Beyond Saving.

UPDATE Tuesday, June 1st, 2021:
Last Friday's episode of Tucker Carlson Tonight devoted the entire episode to discussing how it came to be that science has been all but abandoned today, not only as it regards the science of vaccines, but of every facet of our lives where we depend upon science for objective truth:
See The Left's War on Science.

UPDATE Thursday, June 3rd, 2021
Below is an important link to a declaration by America's Frontline Doctors titled "No Jab For Me."  Here is how the preface reads:

"Statements in this site are substantiated with facts that will stand in a court of law. Informed Consent requires a flow of clear, accurate, unfiltered information. Click on the hyperlinked sections to direct you to primary sources such as CDC, WHO, FDA documents. Anyone trying to take down this site will be named as codefendant in Nuremberg 2.0 for being an accomplice to crimes against humanity. That includes social media. Lawyers are standing by."

This document contains all the ammunition you will need, including forms to submit to schools, universities, or employers that pretend to "require" your compliance: No Jab For Me


Dave P. said...

I told my father the other day about the church's inherent conflict of interest when it comes to the non-vaccines because it has stock in the pharmaceuticals that produce them.

His response, "Can you blame them?"

Not a single word about how the Lord never authorized tithing funds or any donations given to the church to be used for investments and other means of getting rich rather than caring for the poor.

At the same time, I'm not surprised, as he still thinks Malachi is talking to the tithe payers and not the embezzling priests in Malachi.

Eric Kuntz said...

AIDS was a hoax also.

"All the world's a stage"

Rhone said...

Government/Bureaucrats/Media/Celebrities/Religious Leaders: "Who are you going to believe? Us or your own eyes?

Another great piece of advice that I read recently: "Never trust anyone in power to do the right thing."

Eric Kuntz said...

In my estimation, Joseph Smith is a mixed bag at best on the "follow the Prophet" mantra in the LDS church. While yes he did "berate the saints" as you point out (at least according to the historical record). He also doctored the revelations to set himself up to be the ruler in the church.

Compare the Book of Commandments vs the Doctrine and Covenants:
BOC:  "I have commanded him that he shall pretend to no other gift, for I will grant him no other gift."


These are the words of David Whitmer who was a first hand witness to the rise of the LDS Church.

"Just before April 6, 1830, some of the brethren began to think that the church should have a leader, just like the children of Israel wanting a king. Brother Joseph finally inquired of the Lord about it. He must have had a desire himself to be their leader, which desire in any form is not of God, for Christ said “If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all.” “He that would be great, let him be your servant.” “For he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.” A true and humble follower of Christ will never have any desire to lead or be first, or to seek the praise of men or brethren."

Connie Waterman said...

Rock, you really hit this post right out of the ballpark. I have studied this and other issues for a good 15 years now. It is stunning to find out how much we have been lied to about so much in our country! Many scientific experts have weighed in on this subject and they are being bullied, fired and "suicided". I highly respect those who are willing to lose their livelihood and career to warn us about this depopulation agenda. I truly pray for all of these good men and women. Their courage is inspiring, but dangerous to themselves and their families.

I have read more than 140 pages of the VAER's report. It was truly sobering. To see all of the deaths and adverse affects of the jab, was truly sobering indeed.

Evil and designing men are alive, well and are up to absolutely no good.

Insightful Nana said...

If you want to see a sane, comprehensive discourse on Covid 19 and the vaccine take a look at this video by Dr. Peter McCullough, a Texas Physician. It's a bit long but well worth your time. We are definitely living in a time period of "Secret Combinations". As this type of information comes forth, more people will wake up. For some, it's too late because they bought into "Fear".

Rebecca said...

I can't help but think of the reference to the 'abomination of desolation' (though I understand it is referencing a physical building)in light of these scriptures:
John 2 20 This temple took forty-six years to build,” the Jews replied, “and You are going to raise it up in three days?” 21 But Jesus was speaking about the temple of His body.
1 Cor 3 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Considering the vaccine will literally change human DNA (God's creation); I view it as an abomination of desolation. And it breaks my heart! I often feel to express as Alma and Amulek, "I am astonished beyond all measure!"

gruden said...

If you really want to go down the rabbit hole on this one, do a search on 'nagalese' and see what you find. It's even worse than we realize.

Unknown said...

Exactly. At least to an extent. AZT may have been doing much of the killing at one point.

Unknown said...

Good questions. Hard to know who to believe in church history, though. Even people like Whitmer.

Unknown said...

I have always enjoyed your writings about the church. On this topic of vaccinations we part ways. Selfish men and women refused to be vaccinated because of crazy theories on the internet and false cries of freedom. Glad to be vaccinated again, like I was as a baby and later with the entire nation for polio.

Dave P. said...

Vaccines are just another golden calf. They came in after the main problem diseases had already essentially been eliminated and took the credit.

Eric Kuntz said...

No vaccine for HIV after forty years of research but yet a mystery virus appears out of nowhere and less than a year later a vaccine is created and we are all expected to take thanks, you can keep your side effects.

RC Farnsworth said...

I agree with everything you have said, and furthermore, I have always believed this from way back when. I know probably more about this than most members of the church because my mother was the personal secretary to 4 apostles! My mother kept two journals (what she called the large plates and the small plates) faithfully all her life, and I have read both sets of journals, especially the time while working for the apostles! I have many stories of the Brethren that are both spiritual and uplifting and also stories of them being men and not prophets! God gave me a brain, intelligence and free agency! No one is going to take that from me, no one, not even President Nelson, who I love dearly! He is only acting for God when he is moved upon by the Holy Ghost, all other times he is just like me. We have our opinions, our likes, our dislikes and we are just like any other man!

The True and Living Gospel of Jesus Christ is found only in the LDS church and not in its members, from the top to the bottom!

Alan Rock Waterman said...

RC Farnsworth,
Have you ever considered publishing your mother's diaries? I'll bet a lot of people would be interested in their historical value. I'd sure like to see them!

Underdog2 said...

It is selfish to address one's health in a manner different than what the government and Big Pharma prescribe?

What is "false" about choosing to disagree with politicians and Big Pharma who are universally acknowledged to be the most corrupt and criminal elements of any society?

This is the "gotcha moment" you have just arrived at. Where you do agree privately in your own brain that politicians tend to be corrupt and that the most corrupt, sociopath ones tend to be where there is an acute accumulation of power.

You agree this is generally true (I've yet to meet someone who disagrees), and yet you go on record here publicly to virtue signal your proud submission to these corrupt, criminal politicians?

Alan Rock Waterman said...

Eric Kuntz,
Apropo of your comment that no HIV vaccine was developed in 40 years: Researchers have been trying to come up with a coronavirus vaccine for 50 years, with the general concensus that it just wasn't possible. Then all of a sudden FOUR pharmaceutical companies were able to invent one inside of seven months?

You're right to be skeptical. It WASN'T possible to come up with a vaccine for the coronavirus, so they simply invented something that was not a vaccine. And now the world is only beginning to pay the price. One prominent virologist predicts that most people who take the vaccine won't show adverse effects for a couple of years, at which time the fatality count will be enormous. He and all the other scientists will have been proven right, but it will be too late to matter.

Sheri said...

Remember that President Nelson has counseled us to "Hear Him" ... NOT 'hear me'.

Dave P. said...

Empty words given how often Nelson and the rest of the 15 will claim a bad decision to be "revelation" and then again receive "revelation" to undo the decision after the inevitable backlash.

As I posted in another blog the other day: The church seeks to uphold and maintain its image at all costs, even if it means throwing God Himself under the bus.

Unknown said...

I think it is much more nuanced than is being made out here. The scriptures are full of examples of prophets making mistakes. Perfection is not a requirement to be a prophet. It is not logical to assume that every word the prophet speaks is the word of the Lord. President Nelson and all the brethren often give us advice based on their opinions, rather than revelation and that is fine. They are expected to work out their salvation the same as the rest of us and do the best they can with their stewardships with their own agency. God does not command them in all things any more than he commands us in all things. Most of the time their advice is good, but sometimes it isn't and that should be expected. The burden is on us to verify what is said through the Holy Ghost. We should never outsource our agency to anyone else. The excuse that "I was just following the prophet" will not hold water on judgement day.

quiltermom said...

I believe your reference to an “intubator” is really a ventilator… A ventilator is a machine that provides mechanical ventilation by moving breathable air into and out of the lungs, to deliver breaths to a patient who is physically unable to breathe, or breathing insufficiently.

I totally enjoyed your post - spot on!

Eric Kuntz said...

Nelson is so over the top in wanting to be idolized and adored by the LDS faithful you would think more of them would wake up out of their hypnosis. I am not seeing it.

Sheri said...

"The Doctrine of Christ" - Elder D. Todd Christofferson - General Conference, April 2012:

"At the same time it should be remembered that not every statement made by a Church leader, past or present, necessarily constitutes doctrine. It is commonly understood in the Church that a statement made by one leader on a single occasion often represents a personal, though well-considered, opinion, not meant to be official or binding for the whole Church. The Prophet Joseph Smith taught that 'a prophet [is] a prophet only when he [is] acting as such.' President Clark, quoted earlier, observed:



Underdog2 said...

You: The scriptures are full of examples of prophets making mistakes.

Me: "Full of examples"? It's interesting how the zeal to defend false prophets leads to outrageous hyperbole like this statement of yours.

The grave sin the Brethren are guilty of is daring to speak for the Lord, as if He has chosen them and sent them to deliver a message. They never dare publish a revelation, but yet they want members to believe they're prophets! And despite no published revelations, they deign to speak for the Lord! How is that logical? It's not even a good deception if you think about it. The key is to think about it. They don't publish any revelations and yet they declare themselves to be prophets, seers, and revelators. Head scratch!


Me: When do they clarify and say "This is my opinion"? I can't think of one example. Which means that they are in reality ALWAYS speaking simply their opinions. And that's fine, but the problem is they purport to be something that they are not.

And yet it's "evil speaking" to question them, to point out how their opinions contradict scripture? They testify to be sent by God, but they forbid members from holding them accountable on threat of excommunication?

They are wolves (in a very good sheep costume). And I mean the vicious type that mean to do harm (like "Take the jab! Be Christ-like and cover up the image of God, and stop acting like humans do").

They must obey their mammon master, the state, which is a tool of Satan, because if they don't submit, they will lose everything, from power and "authority" and influence to billions of dollars. The lesson of 1890 is what drives their actions. Obey the state! And what's worse, cause the members to join in their worship of the state.

Do you get it? They have decided. There is no going back! Whatever the state requires, the Church will do its bidding.

Underdog2 said...


Me: It was nice of Brigham Young to clarify when when he was speaking by the Lord. How nice. Case closed, right? No, we are responsible as members to judge especially when our leaders walk around talking and specifically NOT saying their statements are opinions. In fact, the apostles rarely IF EVER make the clarification like the guileless Brigham Young did above.

But you are right, it is by the power of the holy ghost that we can know the truth of all things.


What happens when all the church members who testify that the holy ghost is telling them that the apostles are imposters are excommunicated? What happens when people cannot speak out in the church under threat of excommunication because they would dare to even question the leaders?

What happens is, "Amen to the priesthood or the authority of that man"!

And the Lord continues, they are left to kick against the pricks and fight against God!

All while roaming among the flock donning impeccable sheep costumes.

Underdog2 said...

Fresh off the press by Jon Rappaport today (Rock, if you don't know his website,, check it out. He is an investigative journalist, who has researched the fake pandemics of the last 30+ years. You would appreciate his work).

"The COVID RNA injections are called vaccines, in order to conceal the fact that they are global genetic experiments. That’s what’s going on.



"We’re GMO crops, GMO mosquitos; we’re the GMO cattle and rabbits."

Anybody, ESPECIALLY LDS CHURCH LEADERS, who pushes the experimental gene therapy on those they can influence, is at best recklessly irresponsible. I think the legal term may be criminally negligent.

At worst, they have intent to maim or murder.

Unfortunately there are a lot of good people out there who simply believe the propaganda, and so they feel perfectly at peace in pushing this Nazi experiment on the world population.

In my mind, having been heavily influenced by the warnings in the book of Mormon, it's not wise to trust in the arm of flesh or in man, and especially not the lying, criminal, corrupt political class.

But to each his own.

Sheri said...
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Sheri said...

You are saying "You" like any of these words are mine. They're not. I'm just passing on a direct quote made by Elder D. Todd Christofferson in the April 2012 General Conference of the Church. If you're honestly seeking redress, you may want to write to Elder Christofferson about this specific talk of his. That may or may not do some good, but nothing will happen by just posting a comment here. I've written to specific Church leaders from time to time about different things and have received replies, so you, too, may want to give it a try ... that is, if you're really sincere about wanting to discuss this. They may refer you to your stake president (that's happened to me, too). But when I've made a notation stating that I've "carbon copied" my letters to my stake president already (which I really have ... not just saying that), then they don't send them to him and I've had more direct response from general leaders that way. Just a suggestion.

But in reply to your comments, I will refer you to my first comment above:

That's what I will always ... ALWAYS ... refer to! That is what is MOST IMPORTANT! Does that put me at odds with some Church leaders who are out of line in what they are saying and doing? Unfortunately, yes. They are not perfect ... and neither am I ... and it is unfair to them for me to hold them to such a high standard. We're all learning and growing together on this earth and it's very important for me to remember that. I believe that is WHY President Nelson has counseled us to "Hear Him" ... because he knows that Church leaders are NOT perfect and they WILL make mistakes. So he's directing us PAST them and right to the Lord Himself.

I heard another General Conference talk a long time ago that goes along these lines, but I can't find it now. Maybe you remember it? It was about personal revelation. The speaker mentioned three levels of revelation in order of importance. At the bottom is ancient scripture. The next up is from our current Church leaders. And the most important? I remember the actual quote clearly, "But what's most important is what you felt when you got up off of your knees this morning."

Absolutely! "Hear Him." And it's about keeping our lives IN TUNE with the gospel of Jesus Christ so that we CAN indeed "Hear Him."

Sheri said...

Absolutely!!! The Book of Mormon has come alive for me in a way that it never has before BECAUSE of what's going on in our world now. Amazing!!! As Moroni stated in Ether 8:24, "... when ye shall see these things come among you ... awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you ..."

As I watch last days events unfold, I often think of this quote from President Gordon B. Hinckley, speaking of the Book of Mormon:


Underdog2 said...


Thanks. I'm Joe.

You said: But in reply to your comments, I will refer you to my first comment above:

Me: He doesn't mean "hear Him."

He means, "Hear Him, as long as what you hear doesn't contradict me or the Brethren".

He has made the Church EQUAL to Christ.

Don't agree with them, and want "redress", as you say?

Not gonna happen. Seriously?

"Pres. Nelson, I'm a firm believer in the Restoration and am more Mormon than the Church in many ways. I have a simple question for you. Since I believe Joseph and Emma when they said that he did not practice polygamy, and that he had only one wife, am I at Liberty to teach that at church and over the pulpit?"

The answer to that question, Sheri, I'm sure you know.

It's a big fat NO, as in hell no!

If you try to teach that Joseph Smith was not an adulterer, but that he was faithful to Emma and only sired children through her, you will be eventually excommunicated.

Why? For defending the Prophet Joseph Smith's honor?


For refusing to obey church leaders. That is the official definition of apostasy.

You must obey church leaders, that is all that matters.

Hear Him? Ha. That is a lie!

It's for members who want to believe the lie.

Sheri said...

One more thing I want to add. It's become clear to me that many Latter-day Saints believe that, with all that's happening now, it's a test to see if we'll follow the prophet ... no matter what. I disagree. I believe it is a test to see if we'll stay true to the gospel of Jesus Christ even when we receive faulty guidance from Church leaders (such as this whole vaccine thing). I believe that President Nelson is falling back on his medical training here (nothing more, nothing less), but some Latter-day Saints are taking it as gospel truth. It isn't.

The Brethren don't want us blindly following them. They have often counseled us to seek our own witness ("Hear Him") because they know that when things really heat up, if we don't have our own witness and our own strong testimony, then we are on a sandy foundation and we will surely fall. "It is impossible for a man to be saved in ignorance." - Doctrine and Covenants 131:6 They do not want blind obedience. AGENCY is at the core of the Plan of Salvation. It doesn't work without it. However, I've seen some leaders forget this and they need to be reminded that:

"We have learned by sad experience that it is the nature and disposition of almost all men, as soon as they get a little authority, as they suppose, they will immediately begin to exercise unrighteous dominion. Hence many are called, but few are chosen." - Doctrine and Covenants 121:39-40

Underdog2 said...


You said: "They do not want blind obedience."

The current handbook, to the church's utter condemnation, defines apostasy as:

"Repeatedly acting in clear and deliberate public opposition to the Church, its doctrine, its policies, or its leaders,

"Persisting in teaching as Church doctrine what is not Church doctrine after being corrected by the bishop or stake president."

Where is the mention of the standard of Jesus Christ's teachings above? NOTHING is said about the Lord's gospel. The ONLY that is in fact mentioned is "the Church" (specifically defined above as, "its doctrine, its policies, or its leaders"). This heresy only doesn't seem like a heresy if you equate the Church with the Lord.

Clearly, according to this apostate definition of "apostasy", you can be 100% in harmony with the Lord's teachings, but found to be "in apostasy" because you point out how the Church has gone astray!

Sheri, where can you find redress? The way the church has written this definition of apostasy, would you agree there is no redress? You are compelled to bow your head and say yes to whatever church leader is "correcting" you.

That is anti Christ.

Sheri, they DO want blind obedience. And the only way ironically that they can have obedient members, is for the members to be "blinded by the craftiness of men."

Sheri said...

Sorry ... I wrote my last comment before seeing your reply. But if you're going to bring Church history into this, I'll tell you what I told my ex/anti-Mormon brother-in-law. You weren't there. I wasn't there. We are CHOOSING to believe what we believe about the past. We all are CHOOSING to believe, one way OR the other, the written words of others. Do we have all of the facts? The full picture? Absolutely not! Were the people of the Restoration perfect? We know they weren't, but for some reason they're held to a higher standard than that to which we hold ourselves. There were lots of mistakes and bad decisions (I do that too) as the Lord LET them go through those experiences in order to teach them and help them learn. So I don't get hung up on any of that past stuff. I've seen other people do that and I always see that they're just looking for any excuse to leave the Church. This just happened in my ward not too long ago to a family where the father didn't like all of the different accounts of Joseph Smith's First Vision because some things were left out or added to different accounts. I do that, too, whenever I'm re-telling something that I experienced years ago.

I see your point about what you said about "Hear Him". I've even brought that up in discussions myself. I actually received a "no" answer from the Lord about vaccinations for my children 30 years ago, even though the Church has always recommended them. But I've stuck to my guns (the Lord's personal revelation to me) even when others have not understood ... which have been many!

Bottom line is that, in the end, all truth will be circumscribed into one great whole and then everything will be clear. But that time is not now. We are in mists of darkness, doing our best to stay strong and find the Light. That is what matters to me. So, yes, I choose to "Hear Him" even if that puts me at odds with Church leaders, and let the chips fall where they may. All will be made right in the end. I do not know how to navigate through this mortal existence in any other way.

Underdog2 said...

Good for you, Sheri, on not falling victim to blind obedience about taking the jab.

Good points about history and choosing to believe what narrative makes sense.

That really is true in is simple what you're saying. Think about how the church chooses to interpret history.

But right now, the church, meaning the top leaders, can choose to believe that Joseph and Emma were telling the truth and that he had only one wife. They can choose to believe that Joseph was not a hypocrite. That he was not a liar.

But they don't do that, do they? They instead choose Brigham's side of the story.

I agree with you, it is about choice. I choose to believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet who did not publicly preach one thing and privately do the opposite.

I believe that Emma was telling the truth that Joseph did not have other wives, and that Brigham was lying when Brigham said that Joseph did have more than one wife.

The angel told Joseph that his name, meaning Joseph's name, would be spoken for good and evil throughout the world.

How astonishing it is that the biggest Mormon sect now speaks evil of Joseph Smith by saying that he was a liar, and that he publicly denounced and prosecuted polygamy, but privately practiced it with young women, despite there being no DNA evidence that corroborates their belief!

Have you spent time reading Rock's blog which attempts to teach pure Mormonism? Rock is a defender of pure Mormonism, and exposes the lies and hypocrisy of the corporate, institutional Church which claims it cannot lead its members astray.

Sheri said...

You keep writing new things before I have a chance to answer your previous comments. Clearly, I'm not as fast as you. So I'll try to keep this short and then I have to be done with this conversation. Got other things to do.

All I know for absolute sure is that the Lord's gospel is perfect and true, but its leaders are not ... hard as they may try. I accept that and it does not sway me in the least. So I'll do what it takes to stay in the Lord's gospel vehicle ("Stay in the Boat and Hold On!) on earth (as imperfect as it may be). I will continue to point out things that aren't right and continue to support and sustain Church leaders as they speak GOSPEL TRUTH.

Rhone said...

Feel free to criticize me for reading the research, performing a risk assessment for myself and my family, and refusing to become a genetic experiment. No one seems to be able to answer why I should get a 'vaccine' for a virus that I have less than 1% chance of dying from. In fact, I had the virus and, wonder of wonders, got over it on my own. Selfishness? Disobedience? Call it what you will. It's really just common sense borne from logic instead of fear. I'll wear your insults as a badge of honor.

Agency is a beast, isn't it? Not that devout Mormons would know anything about it.

Alan Rock Waterman said...

Thank you for spotting that error! I've gone in and made the correction.

Underdog2 said...


Regarding Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, I've read his articles for many years. I still read his stuff daily. He does good interviews and his reports often share good info.

I do recommend his articles and products. He knows a lot. That being said, he has predicted many things that haven't come true, and voiced fear (where he personally seems to be emotionally rattled himself) about impending doom, that I genuinely don't know if he's a paid disinfo agent or if he's just emotionally unstable. He easily qualifies as one of America's top fearmongers.

One example, in Dec 2019, I listened to and read many of Mike's dire warnings about the coming Covid-19 pandemic. He predicted tens of millions of deaths in America and a holocaust worldwide where bodies would be scattered in the streets like the Desolation of Nehors in the BoM. He went on for weeks and even months preaching doom and whipping up hyper fear, begging Trump to lockdown and quarantine America like a prison camp. He praised Trump for his actions that were a gross violations of our liberties and dismantling of the Constitution, and passionately asserted such prison-like lockdowns, including martial law were the absolute necessary course of action.

As the weeks and months of 2020 went by, due to be challenged by his readers (like myself) for his complete overreaction, Mike wrote article after article justifying his original dire, panicked warnings and justifying Covid as a real threat, and calling those who opposed his warnings as irrational and deranged. Yet he refused a debate, and never admitted any fault in his unhinged fearmongering.

That ordeal made me wonder if he was/is a paid disinfo agent (his wife is Chinese and he speaks Chinese, though obviously that means nothing all by itself), like Q, for example. It's possible, but he could just be the gullible type of person that allows his emotions to dictate his behavior, so that reason and level-headedness are subordinate to the fear he feels.

He's right about so many things, including the threat of Red China. For many/ most people, even in the military, even fairly high-ranking, respectable officers in the military who are whistleblowers about Marxist infiltration, it's a new revelation that Communist agents are ubiquitous in the American military and throughout all levels of government (not excluding the Trump admin), academia, corporations, etc. We have ALREADY BEEN conquered by Communism (funded and run by Gadiantons).

So Mike's latest warning about a pending Communist attack, if you understand we've ALREADY been taken over, doesn't make a lot of sense. Why attack and subdue a country you already control and mostly own financially? This latest warning of Mike's therefore just seems like more fearmongering. He can't help himself, or, fearmongering is his strategical intention.

Cleon Skousen wrote the book that warned the world (and should have warned esp all Mormons) about the Communist threat back in the 1960's. But large numbers of Mormons never read it (The Naked Communist, and its companion book, The Naked Capitalist). Those two books alone taught (and still teach) sufficient knowledge to educate people about what was taking place then, and has now clearly come to pass due to letting the secret combination get above us (Ether 8).

We are a conquered people and Nation, and don't know it, as things like CCP Tiktoc distractions capture America's attention. The Titanic is sinking rapidly. We have been afforded precious, merciful moments to get on a Lifeboat (the covenant and coming temple @ The N.J.). While some people now newly awaken to Marxist CRT and the uncloaking of Communist ideology, it's way past too late for new, repackaged warnings because the previous warnings were ignored.

Thank goodness, God is moving and there's a chance at getting to a City of Refuge.


Eric Kuntz said...

"What If 'Follow The Prophet' Could Get You Killed?"  Yes, without a doubt. Maybe not physically but spiritually...100%.

PNW_DPer said...

Well, Eric Kuntz, there is a place in Heaven prepared for those who follow the prophet; according to D&C 76:99-100, in the Telestial Kingdom.

Eric Kuntz said...

good point PNW_DPer, down there with the "liars, and sorcerers, and adulterers, and whoremongers, and whosoever loves and makes a lie, as well as murderers, and idolaters..."

Sounds like a kingdom of the devil to me...

Jared Livesey said...

Eric Kuntz,

You refer to a revelation Joseph received which states, in part, "[Joseph Smith] hath A gift to translate the Book [of Mormon] & I have commanded him that he should shall pretend to no other gift for I will grant unto him no other gift[.]" You also say that Joseph doctored the revelations to set himself up to be the ruler of the Church.

1. What other gift did Joseph publicly pretend to have, while demonstrably not possessing it, after this revelation?

2. What publicly available evidence is there that Joseph altered the revelations? For example, are the alterations in his hand? Or do we perhaps have a record of him directing someone else to make the alterations?

3. What publicly available evidence shows that Joseph sought to set himself up to be the ruler of the Church? For example, do we have a statement from Joseph to that effect?

Thanks for any efforts you make to fully answer these three questions.

Eric Kuntz said...

Hi Jared...
Here are my responses to your questions. 

1. He pretended to translate other  scriptures. (The Bible and the Book of Abraham).  The Book of Abraham has been translated by modern Egyptologists and it turns out that it is simply a funerary text known commonly as a Book of Breathings.

2. Good questions...We would need Joseph to answer these questions himself. Don't know but what we do have is 2 books that contradict each other and no explanation from JS as to why??

3. JS claimed to be called by God to be the Prophet of the Restoration. There is no command from God for such a claim. Please review and search the original versions of sections 5, 10, 11, and 18 of the D&C, but you won't find it. God already told Joseph he had one gift and not to pretend to any other.

Dave P. said...

That's also something David Whitmer brought up in his final publication. He called Joseph out for not doing what he was already told to do by the Lord. He would take something else to the Lord and it "just happened" to be approved despite repeating the same mistakes multiple times already.

Jared Livesey said...


Thanks for clarifying your positions on those questions. If I may ask two more questions -

1. Where did Joseph claim to be called by God to be the Prophet of the Restoration? I ask because the Joseph Smith Papers website doesn't seem to have anything from Joseph using the phrase "Prophet of the Restoration."

2. Is it your understanding that being commanded by God to repeat his words to others is a gift, and that Joseph only pretended to repeat God's words to others, while the words he was repeating were not God's words at all?

JR said...

Thanks for a fantastic article.
I have been disappointed in past church leaders, but President Nelson takes the top spot in disappointment, for me. I couldn't sustain him and I do not consider him a prophet. His actions and words are of the world and men, to please men, to be political, to appease the godless. He doesn't do or say anything to serve God and the Lord. I used to be comforted with "church" and the leaders. I didn't worry about the last days because we had a Prophet. Not anymore, especially with Nelson, and others like him, running things the way they are. I feel like God has turned away from His restored church and with good reason.

Where I live the local hospital, which is the only place to get medical tests and treatments, shut down completely. They went along with the BS about Covid-19. The hospital claimed it was overrun with Covid-19 patients, filled to capacity, no beds available, staff over worked, masses of people dying of Covid etc....all the usual BS. I had to call an ambulance for my daughter because the ER would not take walk-ins anymore. My daughter said the hospital was EMPTY!! Doctors and nurses, physician assistants etc were joking around, doing absolutely nothing. She had a kidney stone.
After she was released she snuck out and walked around in the hospital.....empty rooms, so quiet it was eerie. The parking lot was also empty.

My cancer treatment was delayed because of the lying BS and participation by the hospital in making Covid out to be the Black Plague. I wrote an email to the hospital and told them if my cancer was terminal because of delayed treatment, I would sue the Hades out of them and get others in my situation to join in. If hospital personell could go home, go out in the public,then back so work, how hard is it to allow the public in for treatments and tests! Let the public wear masks and gowns, etc. The hospital was going along with the lies for federal money. I told everyone that would listen.

Unknown said...

The similarity of antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 and related, common-cold causing coronaviruses has nothing to do with your argument. When you, or anyone, gets tested for COVID-19, you aren't having your antibodies tested. You are having the swab shoved up your nose and that sample is put into a PCR reaction. PCR IS very, very specific for SARS-CoV-2 and does not cross-react with genetic sequences of the less severe coronaviruses.

Unknown said...

"Just last week the CDC reported over ten thousand people who had been vaccinated wound up being infected anyway."

Cute. What you're leaving out here is the fact that 10,000 "breakthrough infections" out of 100 million vaccinees means that the vaccine is over 99% effective at preventing infection. You're also leaving out the fact that those vaccinated individuals who were infected did NOT have severe disease requiring hospitalization and none of them died. All of which is to say, the vaccine is safe and effective. You can choose to be vaccinated or not, whatever, but don't contort and misrepresent the data to try to make your points. Although, if you're watching Tucker Carlson as a mentor and role-model of intellectual honesty and integrity, you're getting a master-class in how to spin the fact and create a web of lies and deceit.

Unknown said...


This is utter nonsense. You're conflating the antibody test, which is NOT used as a diagnostic tool to tell if somebody has SARS-CoV-2, with the PCR test, which is highly specific for SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) and IS used as a diagnostic tool. When somebody is tested via PCR for SARS-CoV-2 infection, a positive result means that the individual has COVID-19. It cannot mean that the person has a cold or the flu because the PCR test is highly specific for COVID-19. Your analysis is totally wrong on this because your facts aren't straight. This isn't a matter of opinion. It's a matter of biology and science. You need to find better sources of information for explaining the science and biology to you.

VB11 said...

As stated in a previous post, the Church holds $1.5 billion in stock options in three pharmaceutical companies. While this represents about 1% of their holdings, still the amount is significant.

When the Church changed the policy for missionaries to get the jab to be able to go overseas or stay in their country of origin, I looked on the LDS missionary webpage where it said, "In word and deed the church supports vaccinations" or something to that effect. I thought, is this just old-timey church speak? Like hitch your wagon to a star, or by hook and by crook? Or was it actually saying that they support their investments by word and contract. Clearly it was the latter.

This is the Church's newest Salamander Letter event. The church has been presented this death-vax as a viable solution to keeping the status quo. They have gotten into bed with mammon and trusted in the flesh of the arm. They in short, have been deceived.

I fear that if what many virologists are saying is true, that being that antigen priming leads to vulnerability to corona viruses, disease, and death, that their will be a massive falling out because of all the deaths occurring. Only God's grace can save the church. I'm glad to know due to a very inspired Gospel Doctrine teacher that the policies of the church can change but the Gospel does not. I'll continue to put my trust in Jesus Christ as these old men stumble about patting themselves and science on the back.

gruden said...


Interesting take, especially when the inventor of the PCR test has denounced its use for covid testing many times. I think someone needs to check their 'facts' a little more carefully. If dialed up enough cycles, the PCR test can show a positive for almost any virus, including covid, even if the person doesn't have it.

Now, after the vaccinations, they dial down the PCR test and viola! Covid is down!

Look it up, Kerry Mullis. He's spoken about it numerous times. Others have too.

dx said...

In my opinion, Church leaders have a very big problem failing to insert the phrase "in my opinion" at the beginning of declarative statements. If they state something in a way that appears to be declaring fact, when they truly have no idea what is correct, then it can be harmful.

Big O said...

Sorry you've gone so political. Would be nice to keep it just to LDS church matters.

Anna said...

And I understand Fauci was heavily involved there as well.

Alan Rock Waterman said...

Unknown said, "You're also leaving out the fact that those vaccinated individuals who were infected did NOT have severe disease requiring hospitalization and none of them died."

As of a few days ago, VAERS published 15,386 vaccine reported deaths:

That's aproximately 70 vaccine deaths per day. By my count that adds up to more than "none":

Alan Rock Waterman said...

Big O,

How is this post not related to LDS Church matters? The leaders are LYING to the members, bringing to pass multiple warnings by Jesus, including his warning to us that in the last days there would be lying and deceptions unlike anything we've seen thus far.

If the corruption within the top leadership of the church isn't a subject fit to be addressed in a forum concerned about the purity of Mormonism, perhaps you might like to tell me why not?

Alan Rock Waterman said...

I can't speak to some of the things Mike Adams reported on in the past because I have not been an avid follower, but that is surprising to learn he used to advocate for the type of controls he now opposes, Oh well, I allow a person's beliefs to evolve over time and don't hold him to dumb things he used to advocate.

I notice a recent podcast where Mike asks the question, "Will there be enough vaccine survivors to rebuild civilization after the collapse?" It's an intriguing thought, because if the scientists who predict the vaccine to be deadly within a few years are correct, there's going to be a real thinning of the population (except for the elite, who either haven't taken the vaccine or, if demonstrating their willingness, as Russell Nelson has, most likely were injected with harmless saline and not the real thing).

I haven't listened to this podcast, so I can't adress what he has actually said, but I can answer that question: There won't be any civilization to rebuild. That's why it's called the Last Days.

Alan Rock Waterman said...

Good one, PNW_DPer. (D&C 8+: 99-100)

Alan Rock Waterman said...

Someone above (I can't find it now; maybe it was Eric Kuntz) asked what evidence I have to refer to Joseph Smith as "the prophet of the Restoration."

When I use the word "Restoration" I'm referring to the latter-day restoration of the gospel, mostly as ushered in by the coming forth of the Book of Mormon. Whether that's a proper use of the term I don't really know, but I kind of use it as a loose description of what I mean when I speak of incipient Mormonism in general.

As for evidence that he was a prophet, I defer to D&C 21: "Wherefore, meaning the church, thou shalt give aheed unto all his words and bcommandments which he shall give unto you as he receiveth them, walking in all choliness before me."

As I've pointed out in previous blog posts, there are a couple of caveats and qualifications in there. First, when the Lord refers to the church, he is referencing the members, not the institution as we tend to think of the corporate Church today. Secondly, we are not required to follow or obey Joseph, but only to "give heed" which means consider carefully. And what we are to consider are the words he speaks as he receives them from Christ.

Unlike the LDS Church today, where members tend to believe every pronouncement from the president is equivalent to the word of God, only those things that come from the mouth of God, and presented as revelations, were considered revelations, and therefore of potential value to the Saints. The way we, as individuals, determine whether a revelation is of God is by praying about it after we have received it.

The modern President of the Corporation gives us no revelations and therefore we have nothing to pray about to receive a witness of the spirit as to whether that particular instruction came from God.

Anyway, that's a long answer to a short question, but in essence when I refer to the Restoration I use that term because saying he was prophet of the Church as members do today would be innacurate.