Monday, January 2, 2012

Electric Universe Fantasies & Heliopause Electrons


Thunderbolts: Voyager 1 Updates Solar Electron Flux



For a closer look, here's the original Voyager press release:




The Solar Capacitor Model. I.
The Solar Capacitor Model. II.
The Solar Capacitor Model. III.




Anonymous said...

Tom, you seem ignorant of the list of speakers for the 2012 EU conference which just finished up. Rumor is that an IBEX mission manager spoke at the conference about their findings, and lent explicit support to the EU's attempt to explain the mission results.

And that was after 40 failed attempts by mainstream modelers to do the same.

W.T."Tom" Bridgman said...

to Anonymous:
With some of the fact-checking I've been able to do so far, you have so many of the details wrong in this short paragraph, there is no telling how far from the truth you are with the rest.

Fortunately, I interact with the mission groups in question on a sufficiently regular basis that I can check further and have already started that process.

However, I suspect that a perfectly in order IBEX presentation was given, since various individuals give such presentations (myself included) at a wide variety of forums, science-fiction conventions, etc. Presentations at these events is not necessarily equivalent to endorsement of the sponsor, specially when one considers how much NASA and its contractors are encouraged to do science outreach.

I suspect the presentation was consistent with many of the cosmic charged-particle phenomena I have outlined in posts such as "The REAL Electric Universe" and the plasma modeling series.

I suspect nothing was presented that supported the Sun being predominantly powered by EXTERNAL electric currents, such as Scott's 'Solar Capacitor' model or Thornhill's 'Solar Resistor' Model. Both of these models still require fields or particle fluxes fatal to satellites and astronauts, a fact noted by myself, as well as individuals who actually design, build, and fly satellites.

I'm still wondering how a mission like IBEX, that detects NEUTRAL atoms, can be viewed by EU supporters as providing evidence that the Sun is powered by external fluxes of CHARGED particles. By what magic process does that happen?

SharpTheories said...

Interesting....but an electron is a quantum particle.

So to answer your question, "by what magic process does that happen?"

The answer is: by the same process that allows for quantum the same process that cause a particle to behave as a wave....The answer is superposition, the quantum spookiness that appears magical to us ignorant humans.

W.T."Tom" Bridgman said...

To SharpTheories,

This seems to be the new chant of crank science. Their unsolved problems used to be allegedly explained by 'nonlinearities', now they're explained by 'quantum spookiness'?

Unfortunately, most people pushing this explanation tend to forget (or never knew) that quantum mechanics (QM) is VERY well-tested in terms of the mathematics matching what we find in reality (Introduction to Quantum Mechanics). It is so good that we not only understood the structure of atoms and molecules and designed semiconductor electronics using it, but we getting to a point where we can also design new materials mathematically before mixing the chemistry (Wikipedia).

Quantum mechanics is far from 'magic'.

Quantum mechanics says that over these types of distances of an electric sun model, electrons can be treated classically. However, if you can present a proper quantum mechanical calculation for this problem, demonstrating that QM can turn the IBEX neutral atoms into Sun-powering electrons, I might change my mind.

Quantum entanglement (Wikipedia) does not allow an electron to travel from point A to B without detection. It only allows us to know what state the particle will be in once it gets measured. To maintain that correlation also requires the electrons to make the trip from the heliopause to the photosphere without interacting with any other particle. This is tricky considering that the electric field of a charged particle is a long range force, interacting with ions and other electrons along the way.

Entanglement experiments have generally required that the entangled particles be isolated from other interactions - a process requiring extensive amounts of equipment.

Where is that equipment that maintains this isolation on the trip from the heliopause to the solar photosphere for all those electrons?

Besides that, a number of things advocated by EU 'theorists', such as denial of quantum tunneling in nuclear physics as predicted for the proton-proton reaction, suggest they thing QM is nonsense as well. EU 'theorists' invoking QM to fix their problems would be yet another example of EU's hypocrisy.