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Re: Fw: Re: [S-R] Szarka/Krizsek

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  • Ben Sorensen
    Hi Bill, et al, I can t believe I learned to speak either Slovak or English. :-P As you could tell from this post, I like my Slivovica very heavy... WOW, I
    Message 1 of 2 , Jun 14, 2009
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      Hi Bill, et al,
      WOW, I feel kinda illiterate right now. In Slovak, the term is "negramotny." Thank you, I won't make THAT mistake again....

      --- On Sun, 6/14/09, William F Brna <wfbrna@...> wrote:

      From: William F Brna <wfbrna@...>
      Subject: Fw: Re: [S-R] Szarka/Krizsek
      To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 5:27 PM


      Plumb, from the Latin Plumbum (lead), is a weight used to hold a string
      taut, when attempting to pinpoint a specific location. Plum is a fruit
      used to make prunes or alternatively, slivovitz. I rather doubt that the
      weight either thickens or browns. Plumb, po Slovensky, is olovnica.

      Bill Brna

      ----- Forwarded Message -----
      From: "Ben/Milka Sorensen" <cerrunos1@yahoo. com>
      Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:12:0SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com1 -0000
      Subject: Re: [S-R] Szarka/Krizsek
      Message-ID: <h13ehh+l3af@ egroups.com>

      Sarka- vírusová choroba sliviek prejavujúca sa prehlbeninami a hnednutím
      povrchu plodov.

      Sarka (En? anyone?)- a viral ailment that attacks plumbs, indicated by a
      thickening and a browning of the fruit's surface.

      I am not very good at zoology in English or Slovak, and I don't speak
      Hungarian, but this is just to correct that a sarka is NOT a magpie in
      Slovak. In Slovak, that is straka ciernozoba. Just so that no one goes
      looking for sarky in Slovakia- you will be doing something other than

      It is the bane of all brewers of slivovica- and that is how I knew that
      translation was incorrect. :-P

      > In addition to Michael's information, the Hungarian spelled Szarka and
      > Slovak spelled Sarka are both relatively common in the Slovak phone
      > directory (168 and 127, respectively; also, 75 Szarkovas and 29
      > They are even more common in the Hungarian phone directory-both
      > occur in Hungary in excess of 500 entries. To confuse the issue even
      > further, if you look at the census records for 1910 and 1920, where
      > of birth and language spoken are both listed, there is no strong
      > between spelling and language spoken. That is, you will find Szarkas
      > speaking Slovak and Sarkas speaking Hungarian. In addition, you will
      > mixed families where the husband spoke one language and the wife the
      > In truth, many immigrants from historic Hungary were at least bilingual
      > probably most commonly spoke the language of the neighborhood in which
      > settled.
      > The fact that Szarka (and Szarkova) is found more frequently than Sarka
      > Sarkova) suggests, but does not prove, that it may have Hungarian
      > The name means magpie in both languages.
      > If this is an important issue for you, I suggest that you find the U.S.
      > census records for the family and see what language they reported
      > In contrast, Krizsek/Krizek is quite rare in Hungary (Krizsek 7 phone
      > directory entries, Krizek 1 entry).
      > Janet
      > _____
      > From: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
      [mailto:SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com] On
      > Behalf Of Michael Mojher
      > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 12:30 PM
      > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ yahoogroups. com
      > Subject: Re: [S-R] Szarka/Krizsek
      > Sheila,
      > Historically the present day Slovakia was for 900 years ruled over by
      > Hungary. It was referred to as Upper Hungary. After WW I Czechoslovakia
      > created. The two territories only connection to one another was
      > linguistically. In 1993 Slovakia finally got its independence.
      > While under Hungarian rule the Slovaks kept their identity. In the late
      > 1800's the Hungarians had a policy called Magyarization where they
      > only the Hungarian language used. This meant that Slovaks had their
      > entered into records with Hungarian spellings. One of the signals for a
      > Hungarian name or word is the use of "sz' and "zs". Because they happen
      > be in your surnames does not mean they identified with being Hungarian.
      > ancestral villages were in Slovak territory. Which would make them most
      > likely Slovak. If you know which language they spoke that could clarify
      > whether they were Hungarian or Slovak.
      > If you recall, I did not find anyone in Slovakia with the surname
      > but there was the spelling Krizek. This would lead me to believe that
      > is the correct spelling of your surname.
      > Since Szarka still exists in Slovakia in great numbers and it has a
      > Hungarian spelling I would presume it is a Hungarian surname. If the
      > had lived in the Slovak territory, spoke Slovak and identified
      themselves as
      > being Slovak then they would be a Hungarian-Slovak. Hungarians did live
      > still do live in Slovak territory.
      > As for finding your Szarka family in Germany. Do a search for German
      > Genealogical websites and approach them as you did us. They would know
      > ins and outs for Germany. If your family communicated with one another
      > might be a letter or address book that can give you that all important
      > "where" in Germany.
      > From: sheils@... <mailto:sheils% 40att.net>
      > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 5:58 AM
      > To: SLOVAK-ROOTS@ <mailto:SLOVAK- ROOTS%40yahoogro ups.com>
      yahoogroups. com
      > Subject: [S-R] Szarka/Krizsek
      > I have to assume that the ancestor's my family would have descended
      > where Hungarian then. My mother gave me the spelling of her granmothers
      > maiden name from an obit. so I believe that to be correct. I am also
      > of Szarka's that are possibly living in Germany. My mother states her
      > Joseph Szarka married a German woman after WWII and settled in Germany
      > live. He has since past, but last I knew his wife was still alive. Of
      > that was over 15 years ago. I am fairly positive that they had
      children. I
      > even met my Uncle Joseph once when he came to the states but I was very
      > young at the time. I think he may have come over in 1979. Does anyone
      > of Szarka's currently living in Germany?
      > Sheila

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