&gt;That's actually quite an interesting idea, that men are restrained by the same things that restrain women. Worth thinking about, at any rate. I'm surprised you weren't already aware of it. &gt;As for the members of the majority hurting themselves...minorities do that, too, and that's a serious problem since it stalls progress. I took your comment as hypothetical, I wasn't agreeing that people actually do that. &gt;It's a bit of a generalization on your part, that I'm going to think and act like the stereotype you've been taught. We're all a product of our upbringing and implicit biases, but we always should be aware of them. I don't say this unkindly or condescendingly--I just know I want my biases mentioned whenever they show up. That's not a generalization, it's an educated guess. It has less to do with stereotypes and more to do with the logical fallacies that people tend to use when discussing certain types of beliefs. I've had this conversation many times and it always goes the same way, it always goes about the same way, present discussion not excluded. But anyways, if you're fine with having your biases pointed out, what exactly is the problem here?? &gt;Sorry, my bad. That was a reference to Animal Farm, where the pigs (the upper-class in power) were saying their society was one of equals. When confronted with the hypocrisy of that statement, they said that they were 'more equal' as a way of saying that they were better. I'm getting the impression that you missed the point of that analogy lol. &gt;I do, of course, want equality. It's why I'm talking about this with you. This is a biased assumption, and one that we really ought to work on, especially in progressive movements. No, it's an assessment. &gt;While historically this has been the case for most majorities throughout history...a truly equal society requires that we trust one another and teach our younger generations about the importance of equality. This is a soft way of blaming the marginalized for their own marginalization. &gt;As hard as it is to work with, the majority's will (at least, a large number of them) is required for progress. This is the gas lighting I was talking about earlier. But yes, that's why black kids were met with open arms when they integrated schools lol :) Here's another way of looking at things -- the majority's power is waning and they're decreasing in numbers. Which is why many of them resort to scare tactics. &gt;If the majority wants us to go back to the '20s in terms of gender roles and race relations, then that's where we'll go. Meanwhile in reality, our society always ends up moving forward instead of backwards. &gt; At the GOP convention, people (these are the most hardcore Republicans, who are the most serious about the reds winning) outright gave a standing ovation to an openly homosexual individual. Not surprised or impressed. These types "love the sinner but hate the sin". This is very surface level understanding of the issue. &gt;I think our ideal societies are quite identical. No, they aren't, not even close. I'm not about unity and all that fluff. I want to tear down the same power structures you ultimately want to uphold. &gt;Resentment is only a feeling, true...but feelings have more power than facts, sometimes. If I feel oppressed, I'm not going to act the same way as if I felt that I was valued equally. Awesome. Now imagine how people are going to act when they actually *are* oppressed. You have the ability to empathize with that to a small extent, but yet you have no problem asking us to put *our* feelings aside, when you refuse to do the same. That's what I call majority entitlement. &gt;If we want to have true equality (the ultimate long-term goal) then we have to remove that resentment from both men and women. Nope, any kind of progress the minority makes will threaten the majority. Why, because equality requires the majority give up a bit of their power. Progress always make the majority "feel oppressed". You literally can not have both. If we want *liberation* the rest of us have to rise up and *seize* power. &gt;Always keep the ultimate end goal in sight--if you don't, you'll get lost in the details and lose purpose and direction. I agree completely, which is why I don't let feelings or hypotheticals distract me. &gt;You hold the same beliefs, but you're better at articulating them than most. I know.