4 t- sue.. , - , ,,5~ I ,-- =O , r.' . No. 1,358.—V0L. XV.] SUNDAY, CH 8, 1822. due retums of the exports a -4 that the exports had ' Could any man .t waste and uncut cultivation? They ' the .agkultural I , tiTirarky. : sue d in pee we the ...... Ma, the pounds; in Mel, the \nab. a. Soap, leather, salt, and , aim had all inereasedin s. 410/1 beyond the increase of population. The noble Lord stairthis to Induce the house to consider what was the state of the country compared with the state of taxation. Ile pot it seriously to every Lord to ask him • self what relief he could expect from a reduction of taxation ? Ask the fanner what he wants, he will tell you a market.— They had. during the late war, with a great expenditure, created an increased demand in the markets. During the last war the demands of Government in the markets was two millions annually, now it was not two hundred thousand. That circumatance ahem could prove' that the demand could not keep pace w lib the increase in the market. They at agreed that faith with the public creditor amist be kep and the dividends paid. They were ell agreed on the re diction of cxprnees, and then the question was, what wool.: be the advnittae,e to the tenuity by the seduction of 5,000,0001. of taxes? The revenue was ahem .51,000,0001. and the reduction proposed was 1.111 of the inet me of the country. This reduction must have great effect, yet some were adeocates far giving up the Sinking F I. lint what was the gain to be set against the loss i Why, the loss of the Stoking Fund would make the bor rowing of money difficult, and that elitlictilty would fall heavy on the agrieulturiats themselves. He might ask any man whether lie would seriously give op that fund. The late Mr. Fox extolled the uteasttre of the Sinking reed as much as NI r. Pitt, who we,: the antliar. 'the Noble Lord eulogized the measure of the Sinking Fund in time of peace. Where it was established en a clear sur plus of revetinn, it was lutist bent 'deial to the country.— Every rennet y hi Enrupr, which had cleated a debt, hail created a Sinking Fund. Fraser end America hail pre served a Sinking Fund, and tvonlit the Parliament or liergiatul he the ouly uwtion is throw away credit arol iltaracter by gis lug It up ? 'they could ga.o nothing he t•inn it up, and he rapt essesea hope they never would %band an it. He Wen came to Gee qu. stioir of what 'ilea. sores were necessary to reaauly the -evils complaieed of. He had before stated the di•tre" of the *roma ry to be the result eta long and archon+ w.ir, and ahundance of grain brought on by forcing waste lands into cultivahent. The ruined!, most I.e brought about by the operation of time. A Noble Lord had said it was a distress henctleial to no one, but it was ad vantageens to a Large chi st Of the poen. Its ion of the conntry.• lie then cume to a etatement of what the King's thivernment had dotteta reduce the ex ponces last year, which was neat 4,1t0d,W01. The first measure had b;-en to reduce the expenditure t and secondly, to secure the Siuking runt The next meremre thy resorted to was a saving in the interest of the funded debt. they hail made a cowl detable teduction in the taxation of the effetely, and looked forwaiii her more. The noble Lord then adverted to the measitie for redwing the rate of interest on toe Natit,aal Debt, and etinsidet e.l the plan beiirticial to the cometry, nut Daly as a savior, but es the mean; of com prelliag the Bank to levrtr their rate of discount, and give more via relation to the currency. lie slid out expect snub a measure womb] work wonders in the preSeet state of the country ; but t h e measure was calculated, N. leerease the circultitimi of the egrrency, Upoie the qneetiou, whether Ow C. Mee on the Coin L 355 troso produce any IP' sit tir.4l effect, he heel seam. doubt. H.• was frei'dy ta admit that some tilteratiort might pc made in the taw fe- Itala:illg the imporiatioe ,it ruin, su as to draw the '4la• sired distinction between resttietion pit bone. Wien and :institute prohibition. ri e 'elide Lail coltelibled by nide hie for yet taii. Petters, sieeiLit to these uiready laid befute th e Haoseut L'amittenta pik the same %abject. . The atarquis of LANSOIAVNE eintsraerail this expose Of the 9/teas of the (311111.tUaltaa. lipillk Mlle- ;input taut question of pudic distress. lreeeti:lal to the eintittrY• He could nut .asgree with the N.n.k :Earl, hot the distress of tee! country was not Gee:telexed be tasatiun He was glad le hear it was hovel led to trd:.ce the lexatiou 4,, 04 , ,0L0!. berm's.' life IWO C4llVias4lll tut- poldic Ilin,lhett , ' , reseed heat> at this thug cu t up eAsses. He cuuld Pot support the Noble Earl in i.ertals faellisM4 l,lo .1 4 .7 "i 4 " tic itt teined icy modes n.rn ofreaoyelor 1).11 1 141 1 i:e.i. 9o ly. who caste from their Ihrukt aim -1 saglas, deel-ltjt•C / 1, il taxation aas 1101 the ran.° a Astlex hue ref her is ht , •l ,, hi lo the cotintly.' Tax diem di.tfall 'peas y ott the ciatinry, and 'armed ear ebstitele, cis trete. hum that dailies* under wlii•-le the country Sliirif!' • . The Duke of W.:Kr:O3J w sue? e tett the state- A . ... • . me of Laid Liverpool.. ' ..'" Lord ir I cu: imputed Itilleh tOw isrese 3l (Nire " I ': eseeseive tax•tion. The : eitute on sa..p,' eatiiii , s. silo malt, atituietteil eloue to St 0.1. r arti.. if these d rug's oily tumid be tern tiled, it am.' gff,,,,/ ; „1....1 relict to the farm. r. ilv Wes cons lured u.• ling ria!'l c 4 :' r'n.l'lY re lieve the pre.' ill iliatrees beat r a ttLefht i :x . ..b mitiwie ui au 1 di ee 'w . 'rod.( ai c ~.; Lord 1111 , 11(0W Cy imputed t ' , e ,.... ta the great i t eat ittiportatiuu attic year ;gig; mi t t u••t.el harvests o f 1603-20 acid 21, to mind" might 1 c it'd the "" h ri,i " which Lail take it place in the iiiiai i ..r n i t * vii-Naiat.s4 It medium, Id catisequeure of a reiittg cash estn ncos•— When :;.r .r eilltalabl. err. to etc Cto4 . 'fP/e‘l.ll ,, uste could • be at a less to ets:uret I:1c tii:)ar ke:li• ,:q. 4 .cir "tcdneed . - • ' ' '.:. o' •'. ...., tresses. A second pct.. prayed for parliamentary 1. rural. 'the noble Lord irtimated that he did not agree with those who exptessed an opinion that reform in parliament was necessary. lie went with the petitioners in calling upon parliament to pro vi:!: a remedy for the distresses of the 'limier and landholder ; but upon the other part which related to reform, be expressed his dieecut. The noble Lord was persuaded that the prayer for re form was not sanctioned by the majority of landholders. He concluded by moving the petition be laid on the table. The Duke of SOMERSET presented a petitheafrom the land holders of !Lithe:telt, in the court) , of Lincoln, complaining of agricultural distress, and praying for a reduction of taxation as the only meene of relief. Lord Viscount MEI.VILI,E presented a petition from Wig• toun (Scotland), for relief under agricultural distresses.—Read and laid on the table. Toe annual aecounts relating to the Orphans' Fond were presented at the bar by a person from the Chamber of London. —Adjourned. Tut:spa - 5 - , FEB. 26. The I.OR I) CHANCELLOR attended the House at half past three o'clock. Lord STANHOPE presented a petit;on from the owners and occupiers of land in Kent, cemplaining of agricultural disuess. and praying relief. The petiton was read and laid on the table. AGRICULTURE.. The Earl of I.IVERI'O O I.. rose on the order of the day, to open the ditemsien man the operation of agricultural distresses. lie commenced by observing, that every respect was thee to the numerons petitioners on the subject of these distresses. but at the note time Parlianent was to consider the subject without refer ence to die opinion of others. The motion lie lead ah tn ske was for infonnatior.'ll.elr landships were aware the subject had -e been taken up it the other :louse of Parliament, and it was tonight sore berteSt might :reale front :eking a. tiew of the state of the country, befbro they lied oi iliecriss- the mew tats to Le brought to this House. He shoule therefore trouble the House with a few obeervations on the state of the country, in order that they might agree upon the points which were to be the cubjezt of eons - ale:ration. The internal state of the country must hat e ttreeted the attention of every tme, and it must strike most men, that the incrense cf populetion wits great in every part of the country. From the year itsol to lel i there had been an increase of popelation of from 10,942,646 to 12,596,e0.1. making an increase to the proportion of 14 pe r cent. Again, between let I anti feet , there was an increase from the above 12 millions and a half, to 14.379,677, being equal to 17 and 2-thirds per cent. With respect to the agricultural districts, thesincretthe had been MS great as .utiong the manufacturing part of the community.— The next point to which attention was naturally dirctee, was the state of the revenue. In the course of last year the reveuoe of of the count ry bed exceeded that of the preceding yeut I nee Keened. Slctling. Them never had been a revenue collected with less armor. In the collection of 7.000.0001. in the Excise there had Len a deficiency of no more than 23.00 d. It W3` a revenue collected with ease. The institution of saving honks had con trilatted meth to the revenue. In the part year the savings of theme backs tee. rebel front ;00.0001. to 1.2(t0.ue01. With res pect to foreign tennmeree. a considerable tuloantage hail ari,,en in the mune; of the last year. The papers which would be laid before the House, would ehow.an increase to the amount of two or three eiill:ons. In the neeeanteitires of cotton, iron, and other artie.es, there was a considerable degree of industry. The noble I. ird then retverted to ugrieulture, and observed, that the (list question was, whetber people had net been led away hy a file opinion of the state of the cotmtry. Ile eweld not -believe there was the sligl test lound.c ion ear saying the chi:rework of this t emery were to be ascribed to taxation. lie said tins becauseon look - aig at other cou n tries he foetid the %Rale chant:ter of tlie sr.es. They had upon the table of the Hoese, the evidence laid last year before a on:unitise* of the 'house of Commons, and ertendarly the teeliatouy of Mr. Jacob, who appeared before e commatee, end being asked what was the suite of the growers cf corn sn the north of Eut tire. he declared tilet the staee of atris culture was the general subject of complaint. He heard com plaints in lit 'lend, Germany, and Polarei. He fame! the same complaints in Frame end the Netherland.. The fertneri COlll • Veined bitterly of low prices.• 'fie fall of prima wets one third : T was the cei hence of a gentlemen of great 'ability who hail visited the Continent ht oetain infurmation. They hail taco the opinion of the Deputies of Fran, in their address of last to the King. and the amour of tire Monarch. 'I he Clettriber alluded to exiiting.dietress in three fourths of France, ariaing from sepia titre. The !ling in his an.,wcr admitted that titres;, a nd state I that he bed' taken measures to eetueti)• the bailie, but ached, that no regulation could prevent the 6r . of .01imperahuri d ance. In II apeeer and other harts the same dlfieultite occurred. It would no clot:bt be ta•hl this dlstress arose in England (rein natation ; but In Sw i.xerhind. where there was no national debt, no wending army, distress was as great as in a ny country in Femme 'file motile Lord contended, upon ail these feet , , that agretilerral distress was greietal tiatroglemit Europe.— Lleving directed their attention to %hitt part of the etil,j.:et, he came to a eoesideration ache a.ii.. Tice statement dist texatioa girt the mu of tit,: evil was new. It had never before beep urged Ali the muse of paalie disuees. It wee univerettily admitted by the petit item, that tqpieulture and tnantifitetures wefeie a Utririr.g condition dutine the late war. Since the termimeion of the war, one fourth of the taxation had been eaten of!: Time pveperty tax vita taken ar. They hart a reduction which amounted to 25 pct cent. of the whole alnonnt taitation Mahe aPowanee Ow the ilepreeietion of the entrenev. art.' the allowance would be found to be equivalent. Iu wlietevet view the collie:ton of tUatioti -vas considered, it has openuid as a relief beypnd any evil of which the count ry'raiglit now culuidtsia. If they looked back, they udglit be el lc to AZ the reel comm. e tire feet,: ot the ceatory. They hed decuirmte which eo. `.. 1 - ~. . - :- "Al at Our frtg, Conictitutfon, anti ;Labs. _--- - •• • 9illperial 213atitament. , deceive them. The noble Lont tise7etttnts of the i since 11.90, aid' be said It clearll that the expo been quadruplet Land the i trebled. Could an . DOUSE OF LORDS. travel through thiemsn,ry *slag that waste and tiveted lands had been lofted into alias of cultivation sioarioas . . FES. 25. r • might see this.and judge of 4/14 of the .agru The Lord Chancellor attended the House and disposed 0 .1° - width of asuata, uldkiwidie oasiardet , ii f dicial business. Aonicuvr u Jut PETlTrosta.—Lord ROLLS plreamalbsi i! : :. _ eatt. OWY Imja bwa litt e it l inewsgsl oo per . sa rrls on tionaga ellp.4 petition Signed St s 010 ' 14 4 of landholders, in the ,r llll 6. ° ' consumption proved the incsaasa populathin. In lit Devon. praying for relief under the pressuor of agrien mot . is- consumption of candks *lts 48 of pounds; in iti tresses. A second pttition annexed to the first, as a sort of . consumption was 83 minions ofipsslithh Soap, leathe prayed for parliarrivutary reform. . and bricks, had all increased In consumption be7ond the i Oirr4 PRICY. W. price of agrictiltuial produce. Ile defended the Sicking Fund, and conteuded that even if the whole 3.000,0011. appropriated to it were given to the reduction of taxation. it would give a vary trilling-relief, whilst sweeping away our Sinking Fund would give a mortal stab to public credit. After After a few words from Lord Redesdate, elm 00114110` AP tot& Liverpool was agreed to, and their hirdelsilia ad. jourued at elevens o'clock. WEDNESDAY. FEB. 27. The Laid Chancellor heard appeals. Earl BATHURST presented two petitions complaining of so ieultural distress, and praying relief. One was from Hants, • a the other from Hertfordshire. Both were laid on the table. The Lord Chancellor's Assize Bill went through the Com mittee, and the report was agreed to.—Adjourned. TBUBSDAY, FEB. 28. Mr. Vernon, from the Treasury, presented the annual report of the Commissioners of the Herring Fishery ; also an account of the number of vessels from the port; of Scotland engaged in the whale tishery..'fliese returns were laid on the table. Mr. Mason, from the East India House, presented an as- Count of the regulations made by the different governments of India, for Iti2o. Earl BATHURST adverted to an act passed in the 43d of George the 2d, which provides that all proceedings in Colonial Cduncils, which interfere with the Ecclesiastical Establishments, shall be laid before Parliament during 30 days. in order that they may receive the sanction of the Legislature. An act having been passed by the Legislative Assembly of Upper and Lower • Canada, by which one-seventh of the produce of all lands was appropriated to the maintenance of the Protestant clergy, doubts had arisen whether the remaining six parts of the produce were subject to tythes. A bill had consequently been brought in by the Assembly of Canada to remove those doubts- The noble Earl added, that he held in his hand the said Bill, and in com pliance with the act of Parliament, he laid it on the table. The Assize Bill was reported to the House. Lord KING asked the noble Earl for information, as to the o.urse to be adopted by His Majesty's government in the other House of Parliament with respect to the Corn Laws P • Earl BATHURST said, his Majesty's confidential advisers could not object to state any proposition they intended to submit to the other House, but it was i.nnossible to explain what the other House of Parliament intended to do. After a fee words in reply, Lord KING said, be should mention the subject again to: stmenre. when a noble Earl (Livarpooly would ba in his place Adjourned. - FRIDAY, MARCH 1. The Earl of BLESSINGTON gave notice of his intention to move, on Friday next, fur leave to bring in a bill for facilitating the registration of deeds in Ireland. ALTERATION IN TILE CORN LAWS. Lord KING rose to ask for information on a subject which 'nide great impression on the public, namely, alteration in the Corn Laws. The object at the present time was to raise the price of corn. under the dread of what was now considered an evil— Plenty ! To use a word expressed in the other house of parlia-, tuent, many were suffering under the " hydrophobia" of plemy. (A laugh.) It would not surprise him f the Bishops were to dizpense with the prayer for plenty. The noble Lord then asked, whether his Majesty's Government had formed any opi • nion on the subject of the corn laws. If Government I:ad not, he would ask the noble Earl whether he had fetmed any opinion, or whether the country was to be left to the mercy of the persons composing the committee ? If that was to be the case, he should say, " Good Lord deliver us!" Judging from the manner in which they discharged their duty on a former occasion, he should say little goo(' was to be expected teem their eft i ris at this time. The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, with respect to the inquiry. to which the noble Lord alluded, he should repeat what he said on a firmer day, when he moved for documents. lie did nut conceive that any measure that could be adopte I with respect to alteration in di? corn laws could have a salutary effect in Teasing agricultural distress. lie should say also, that any measure ! coming from the other house of parliament would be one which had no tendency to raise the price of It inight be expedient to enact provisions with respect to the impartation of corn. No question deserved consideration more than the question whether it might not be proper to export corn subject to duty on a scale lyver than the present price. What that scale would be must 'ffepend on the regulations which the conitn:t:ec iniettit recant mend. Earl DARN LEY defended the support he gave the corn bill In 1813, and contended that much obloquy had been erronemisly cost on that measure, which, as a measure of necessity, we; to be justified. The only tensely which could be applied to the present evils was a reduction of taxation. The Earl of 1.1 VERPOOI, coniiitered this conversation irre gular, and moved the house do adjourn. Lord CA LT I'oo PE said, that the corn bill of 1815 had been frustrated by the system of averages. lle defended the members of the prison agricultural committee, and expressed a hope that the country in'ght derive advantage from tlich deisheratiats The hottv.: adjourned toMonday. HOUSE OF CONIMONS. MOND tV, yea. Mr. Hutchinvm, from the Batik, presented an account of the politic b dance= in the Mud. of the B ...k. Mr. Scott, from the Cliaamellain's Landon, pre. , ented no a ecanot of the receipts and dbbersements of the O. plans' Font Protium, cuntplaitsing ngt icten:ral .lit.trew, were re. 7 dented tram Citelteandin ouJ other , arl3 at lit,.areatt t B.iffolk,.,nd Devon:4ore.. Lord NLTif..)lt I' tires . soled n petition from Joh., Crouch• a Lteutenont. in sir n try, repreteatin; that h, i the a mire t.f I.& country many years; that t lie a..r twenty militints of property hrlunit•:'t to the e•'nrart t Om he had produced more tatorovern. at, in nano] ran too, charts. he. t ion had taken place withia the hat 352 ycar.•a • bat flint ne bad r.•t eited no renaunerati n fur •u. accrue. : Pe.itiuu irrtlered to be printed. __ -~ -- -, 1 . ~~ :ii • '1 ' 1