r 7; " • • Pk ' ~, ‘- kr ' ' HOUSE OF LORDS. 314 , NDAY 3tAncit 2,5. 9niverial Oaritanunt. The Nnfollc Gaol Bill was ;cad the third time and passed. The IVaketield Gas Light and PlAving Dill was alas read the third time and passed. The Earl of lII,ESSINGTON true in pursuance of notice, to move the second readincr of his Biil tot Registering Irish D. - etls IM.Jand. The noble Earl wished to say a few wo-ds on the sithiect• as he understand there was sCil sumo mistinderuanding tes!recting the object of the It was supposed that the Bill mould alter the law is it stands at present fur registering of deeds in Ire:and, whereas it was to faciii•Ate .1w regirtering of Irish eceils in England, and would net interfere with the Acts of the nn Sth of Anne. In the Conimii see he should have some THE NATIONAL REGISTER expenditure to the narrowest limits. They had the finance report of inn, which entered in:o all the branches of civil and military expenditure. and made an award as to what ought to be the public expenditure. The fart was, the expenditure of the country had been reductd 1.200,0001. below the recommendation of that committee. If that were se, was the noble Lord ware ranted in the charges he had made on the ministers of the country- Last year the oaring in branches of civ,l government bore a large proportion to the unavoidable expellees of the military and naval establishments. The aliment of those establishments was gene rally paned over. The expellees of half-pay amoueted to 5,000.0001. an amazing sum compared w an expenditure of 16.000,0091. A reduction had been already made of tinAgil. in the department cf the customs. with the pwspcct of still greeter advantage to the country, but it was impossible, with a Peeling that was due to individuals who had served the country, to do more titan act gradually with tes , :eet to the jurisdiction of Par liament - the rind list. The ; , able Earl the - ,tended that J i• STATIONARY IN AND. Earl DAnIsil.EY said the llottse would recollect that a noble Virronnt (Sidmouth) undertook, towards the close of lest See. son of Parliament, to institute further inquiry into certain gross al u,cs which had been discovered in the supply of stationary in Ireiancl. As no eemtnunica.ion hail ban made to the Houser on the subject, he wished to know whether that investigation had taken place. The Earl of LivEn POOL said, the investigation alluded to was carried on as twin Ater last session as was practicable, but in consequence of the alteration which took place in the Irish go vet nment at Chris.tmas, it was found impossible to come to a conclusion lAA year. The first question which became the sub ject of inquiry, was whether there had been any abuse or cur. rttption or, the part of the individual who suppled the stationary. Ihe Crown ofbrets in their report acquittal the party of that charge. Then arose another question, namely, whether the terms on which the articles were supplied were exorbitant?- I . . ... .... ..... ... . ..... -. ... .... , .. .... se. ... al•crivien to pretense, which might be discussed in thatstage,it; 'lament over the civil list. The noble Fare then contended that terms on which the articles were eupptied Were exorbitant r— il F • ca. , e any noble Lord was desirous of stating any objection. The bill was then read the second time and committed for to- the arrangement made in 11116 did not lender it nece•sary at the That question hail been under consideration, and correspondence present time. The state of the country wit; then low, and was in progress. thr the purpose of bringing it to a determine- notrow.—Adjourned. the civil expenditure was calculated to meet mitch Distress lion.—Tire noble Earl reel, he should have no objections, the 1, i m unsne v, et erica 26. and eublic embarrassment. The noble Earl opposed the motion. moment it is concluded, to lay the whole proceedings before the . i The Malt Duty bill was read n timed time, and passed. After some further rs'i cussion the motion was negatived without House. a d.vieion, and the 'louse artjourned. End GREY presented a petition from the inhabitants of the LORDS OF THE ADMIRALTY. 1 4 ' . province of Lower Canada. complaining of agricultural distress. wenxiesn sr, MARCH 27. Visconnt NI le I .VILLE moved the order of the day for the —Read, and laid on the table. Lord Viscount NI ELVILL ( e moved there be laid before the enneideretion of the standing ordere, which he proposed to sus. ii?l e fi! - Earl GREY then asked the noble call on the opposite side of House payers relating to the Lords Commissioners for executing pend, fins the purpore of passing through all the stages of his Pt . ! the house, whether it wits the intention of his Majesty's govern• the office of lord High Admiral of England. Ile made this bill to attend the act for regulating the office of Lord High went to introdsiee shindy to that house any measure with u view mo tion preparitory to hringing in a bill to amend th e act of Admiral. !) , '. to th e relief of dietresees arising from the depressed state of I arlament which provides that the duties of that °fire shall be Lord DARNLEY having beard that the noble Viscount . . agrieulture ? done b y not less than three Commissioners.—The returns were suited on a former occasion, that the reduction of two Lords of The Earl of LIVERPOOL slid, the noble earl must be ordered. the Admiralty would prevent the saving of much expence to the ' ! • aware thas a measure on the subject of the corn trade was con- Sir T. TYR WHITT announced. that Mr. Adrian, a clerk country, wished to know whether the noble Viscount redly en- ; tein e lmed in the other house of parliament. The subject was in the Treasury Office, was in attentlence, in obedience to diet tertained that opinion. sender the consideration of the committee, and therefore it was Lordsliiii'a order of yesterday. Lord NI ELVILI.E said, the statement to which the noble unnecestaey to a y mom, than that lie was not aware of the Mr. Adrian was accordingly conducted to the Bar. Earl alluded was, in point of filet, trite. The noble Viscount inteetion of gine:num:it at the time to submit any motion to the The Marquis of LANSDOWNE then put the following was convinced the reelection would not produce a saving- hr • tee. quest ions;— The Earl of LIVERPOOL wished to say a few words with . 1 E ar l GREY. peretee ka t h at t e e he teme o r t e e comm i ttee Q. Do you remember receiving, on the nth of March, from respect to the mini:melon of the Board of Admiralty. The wool(' not :And any practical relict to the couture, should give notice o f a • hi s intention. as soon a'i poesible after the holiday:. to tin oldster of this House. an Or.ler to serve on the C on:muss:otters subject had be. n at Mated ill the other 'louse of Parliament • and of ExsiA. I do. I received it on the letli. The order was his opinion hail es'er been that the abolition was not expeelient. dated the I Ith of March. Since the reduction lie had conversed with various Lords who tic a day for brining the oresent rate of the country fairly Q. Did any conversation pass between you and the person had been used to the business of the Board, and all were of i!, •,',‘ ~ sunder the consideration of that house. The discussion would be who brought the order ?—A. lie asked if it was right to leave opinion, that if the Board only consist of five, with a majority introduced with a view of efeoting a reduction iiit taxation to a kit %i - . ) considersble amulet. the crier . I told him it was correct, and it would be sent to the of seamen, such a Board would nut be able to carry on public . Earl DARN I ,EY stared, that he some time ago morel for Board of Exeree , business. Q. What did you do next ?—A. I transmitted a letter, dated lend 11 01. I. AN D said, the declaration of the noble Earl * i papers relating to the 'Stationery Department in Ireland, and as to communication on the subject had yet been received, lie the rime day I received the order, directed to the Board of Excise. (Liverpool) 100 part of its f i rer, because time noble Earl bad should move that the return be made forthwith.—Ordered. (liethen stated that the letter was in substance ;—) •• Genie- formerly stared, that the government of the country could not SEIZURES BY THE BOARD Ole EXCISE. men, lam commanded by the Lords Commissioners of his Ma- be conducted without the two additional Lords of the Admiralty. The Marquis of JAN.:DOWN E celled the attention of the jeSly . 3 Treasury to desire you will cause a copy of all orders sent The noble Earl moaned the loss of two of the Bood, but his house to an order made by the house three weeks ago, calling on to etc Eloise offices of England for the seizure of all roasted groans would not bring them to life. . • • the Commissioners of disci-e to return the order transmitted to grain, or breekeest powder, in order that the same may be laid Lord DARNLEY expressed himself at a loss to understand before the House of Lords, in compliance. with the order of that bow reduction of expence in the dock yards could depend on the their officers for seizing all masted grain, or imitative cane. , i ' 'T hat order ha (mot been complied with, and a fortnight sinse a Ihise * (Signed) 'r LUSHINGTON. number of Lords of the Admiralty. They had siiil live lords, second order was issued, calling upon the said Commissioners to A similar letter was melt to the Commiseioners of Excise in rant lie trusted economy would not be interrupted by th e redue. • ; t snake the recurs forthwith. The noble marquis had row to Scotland. tion of two. It the country was to sulfite in that respect, he IA f• complain that the Commissioners h a d made no re t ur n to the Q. By whom was that letter sent ?—A. By one of the Ttea. would rather have the Lords back again. sury Messengers. Lord NI ELVILLE did not mean to say, that some of the second order, and the home was certainly called upon to inform f' obrdience to their command. Ile wished for 1.4/31e proceeding by Q. Do you remenffice to have received front one of the mes- Louis might not attend at the dock yards, but they could not • a •rwelch he could at least know whether the retain would he made sen g ers of this House on the 251 inst an order dated the et el of long !remain away limn the boatel. With the number of five "ti March T—A. I do , my lord.—The order I received on the Yid, they were subject to accidental illness, and clartalty which must or no'. , anti I wrote another letter to the Commissioners of the Excise, lead to loss and expence. One of the acts of Parliainent re- The E,..1 of LIVERPOOL felt the i mpor tance of having , • s in these words.—." Gentlemen, I ant commanded by the Lords quired the attendance of four members of the boanl, and unless returns made within a reasonable time. Ile had to objection to , e' • Commissioners of his Majeety'e Theism) , to call your attention to that number were present nothing could be done. the appointment of a committee why returns were not mule—any teetilation on this subject would he beneficial. my letter of the 1 Ith of March, so far as rd ites to your orders After a few observations from Lind Holland upon the urgency . . The Nlarquis of LAN A 1., moved that the officers • eel die order be called to the bar. The motion was agreed to. Nit. Quarme, the deputy usher of the black rod, accordingly repeated at the bar.—lle stated, in answer to questions pet by the Marquis of Lansdowne, that the order 01 the house wits brought to him from the Parliament Office by one of the door keepers, end it was served by misorke on a clerk at the Treasury, send the same to nie with all possible dispatch." " Treasury Chamber." leorn NIEI.VILLE stated, that the bill toast ass before next •• II:SFIINGTON." Tuesday, to avoid great incenvenience. Q Did you, in consequence of the last leiter. receive tiny re- The standing orders. which forbid a bill to go through more turns ?—A. The returns were put into my hands this morning. than one stage at a sitting, were then suspended, the bill was. Q But you had received no communication on the subject carried through till the stages, and passed to the Commons before this morning?—A. None whatever. Ihe letter l'Ssm the Commissioners says, •• In obedience to their Loctirsitips' order. Adjourned. tamed Adrian. It was served on the llth of February, tho day we have the honour to transmit copies of the order for the seizure HOUeE OE CO MNION a• afer the order was made. of roasted grain, or breakfast pi:nyder." e* Excise Office, March 26t1i. —. en ,. The Marquis of LANSDOWNE then gave notice • that he etnenev, M limn '26. shothd move to-morrow t h at Mr. Adrian be called to the bar. - The witness was ordered to withdraw. The Marquis of LANSDO IV NE then addressed the House. The Dover Gas Li e ffil 811 WaS reed a second time. CIVIL LIST. After what their Lordships had heard they would readdy belleve Foal-title CORN.—NIr. T. tAILSON said, Ire held in his OHO a !alarm, from cei snits Minim ters of corn in the Port Lord KING rose, in pursuance of notice, to call she attention utters had been no neglecton the part ot' the olficers of that Home, of Lension. The petitioner s said, dint they were considerable of the House to the present state of civil list allowances. and to or the olfizers of the 'lre:Leary 4 he should therefore follow up prapme a considerable reduction in the same. Thole sea: a de- this inquiry bycril•int tot - eir Lonlships' bar the Chairman of holders of foreign cos ii, tither 1111 their own account or hs env of extravagance in the civil list, for di:erupt:l.6e of keqsine of the Lounnissontes, to give an account why the delay took consieneess ; that they bail heard with 111tIrli alarm that there wits shoot to be a g radon ted scale of important • up influence and patronage. Ile could not think any one would Flixe- . cdatend that inquiry into the civil list was not qp,..:n to Pnrlias The Earl of LIVERPOOL Rug:esti:a' that the examination of duties, welch wig calculistel to atlect their nacres's most . 1 nrsrit. If the funds of the civil list were eecessive e .or too narrow, the decretary to tee Commissioners nu& answer the object tee seriously ; and that they therefore lonised the protection of Parliament certainly was the authority to which the subject was noble Marquis had in view. the House. to be referred. With teoect to the expences of foreign arnbas- After a tew observations from Earl Grey. Nis. W ARR F. presented a petition from Taunton, pray. Salo s, Parliament was peculiarly called upon to decide, Be an The Mar q uis of LANS:DOWN::: moved. that the Secretary i ng for a revision of the critaimil code.—Ordered to be act of Patliument, the Crown had no interest in that part of the of the Boarder EXClSJClRsuinaloned to attend the flouseon Mons 1 „,,,,..d. public expence, and Parliament hail aright to see the expence day next. Nlr. C. 11. lIUTCIIINSON brought in a bill for the im- was properly reetteetl. ele should ellen , that the e•timate on The motion was agreed to. , . urovement or toe city 0: Cork.-11-nd :t first time. which the civil list was made in ist6, was not the proper scale Mr. Adrian then presentee at the bar returns from the Excise • NI r. Bit 1(111 I presented a petition from Bodininster, So- upon which the expence of that branch of public service oultht of England..lreland, and Scotland, of all instructions given by met setehire, suiting I bat 1 hey had w itnessed with stilisf , c • so be now regulated. The noble loe.l read a speech of Qiieen Anne, in which site gave up 10 oonl. of the expences oldie civil the Commiesioners respecting the seizure of roamed wheat t r other substances, prepared and sold as breakfast powder, or by lion. ..lie public cautions of Mr. Ilunt, and Israelite that the list. There was certainly not then a more distressed state of any other none. The return was laid on the table. House mould interfere a ith it, endeuvouis to procure a oil- stirigs than at present. When the civil list was cuabliseed in 'flue Earl °CUTER'S/01. then asked Mr. Adrian who signed lig•ellell of ills sentence.—Ordered to lie un the table. I e eeiG, tle priers of every article was much higher than at present, the letter which came with the return. Mr. 11. BLAIR move I ler 'china of spirits distilled in end t'a cannge in circumstances reaslend the interecrence of Answer—l'hounts Woodyer. England Owl Llllllll , l for expnimition, horn the £OOl of Oct. ord O e n th t ernotion of the lord Chancellor, Mr. T. Wooeyer teas lee°, to (Mutter 1511, and for it Yid iety of sillier woos red o Parliament necessary. In 1723, the expences of the civil list ; were etee.beol. In lsn, slie expences were much increased. al. tesough theses-son war oneofereater dilutes's. Thenohle Lord then at t end the /I me on Monday next. Adjourned. low esner, MARCH 2b. The House rid not emcee.) to business this day until half con:weft d w ita the distinution and exportation of •pir iti...... Oath reel. Post five o'clock, in coneequeuce of the detention of the Lord T'arera or CORN —Lord O. SOMERSET presented a s • i Ii • ' i k i „ i ~ , ...,.,,,,,, d r a ,,, ,, r,, i , e is ty li c ad r d i t n re c u re m as e mi nts in to a p w ro a 7 s ffi li a ic t li tl n ie m a d t e no it ti n n e t m ot; a a e r l;r l.. ic ir s earbonent to interiors. The rue of exchange was alio a ground for reduetien in the salaries of foreign ministers. Ile Reverted to the rate of exchenee between Spain and Portugal, and con- tended that the ministers in those countries ought to have re- ceived much less, instead of having duet salaries increased. The Chancellor at the Council. Viecount NI ELVILLE brought in a Bill pursuant to notice, to amend the Act fir regulating the duties of the Conitnibsioners for executing the (nee of Lord High Admiral of England.— By . the papers laid on . the Table, the Lords would see that his petition. comperinurg of signet/fem.,' datiese from some hundred in Mminoutheitire. Mr. 11111C11 did suit like these petiti• as; ; they proceeded on somewhat nor narrow a principle. The pe.inottess seemed to think to .t if hi 7 h prices could he produced, ex M- oons, brothers, and relations of members of Purlianiert were Majesty had been advised to reduce the Commissioners 01 the ire evils would be' remedied; but while the grossrrs nere found fillin: foreign sluations. At one tinie the ainbessatior at Admiralty from seven to five. By the law as it stood. four c ..... idered, it permed Chit the consumers were forgotten.- 1.) - 4 Pia Hague was consiaereil of great importance, but now it was were allowed to be a Quorum, for the purpose of transacting the It had h. MR IRaiiioUrell HMI it was 1/101a€1,Yd in the age Mut. of ne importance. lie could not see the use of paying 12,0001. business of the out-ports and Other places; but tinder the late iu. al committee to uelviince mime, mu Is, hall of geveriellesit rty or Lord Stewert. If he iooked r• year to either I Anal C ante- reduction it would be impossible to go on with time public service t o b t 4 corn , w ith the vi e w of u dv aricing th e price ; tint that a • to the embassy of Switzerlaad, it was at least reasonable to re- unless the Quorum was ads reduced hone Four to Two. The peril would Is use no effect--nothing but n reduction of ta it- bill lie had brought in was to make that amendment. Upon the dace the allowance of those who filled the mission. The run ;Ilion %mild remedy the exits complained of'. cearged fur SS ilz-nland was entree. a year, for that which was expediency of reduction in the number of the Lords Commis- NI r. CA LC II AFT was rather surprised lit time attack on I . * ..shutters, he could not concur. In case he had been in the other , Ones done for Md. per year. The real cause of these extrava- Hoene, he should have voted against it. His principal objection the Si of the petitioners, especially when the I , gant missions was, 1101 , 1cver , no more nor less than the desire of member a so last ember Retried with the petitioners on Ilia? 1;, t • . thinisteni to 'keep up their influence. Every thing gave way to was, that the reduction of two menibers of the Boenl would Lod necessity of u reductiote tot (tomtit'''. ine renee. Fee inflrience certain pieces muet be retained, whether much to obstruct public business. The noble Viscount took * t useful or not. This shewed the inward spirit of government.— No campaign carried on by government lied been so successful upon binned to say, that reducing the number to Fi ne , wou ld required big h prices ; slut he w anted was, relief from be attended with great trouble and inconvenience. 'fire re- those burden, w hick prevented i • from coming into the Ni enh A bteited limo. r t al do ca ... I . aign against the independence of larliatnent. Biter. auction of one would not have been so detriment.' to the service, market 011 FMlll'llll/1; like lair terms. So far from complain- !' . esparre hiirreslf never employed mere.telent in foie military but as it was, the noble Viscount was satisfied it would be found lug sit i Lie pentium he hail reesim to think well of it, and he movements than ministers hail shown in their attack on the in. necessary to raiee the number again to seven. In every view of was pleused that it should be prewuted by a Lott of the dependence of Pathan's:be NI inisters roused to reduce any ex- public business, it would have been better if there had been six sensory. ( I lear.) penditure of millions, in order that they might give a few ewer Commissioners instead of live. All he could then say was, that Sir 'l'. LETHBRIDGE hoped that this petition %told corns (as places had been termed), to their friends. The noble so far from this being a measure of economy. he was prepared tis prove it would occasion R considerable increase of expence.— hn have some edert no the gov cretin nt. lie reels tied (hint the • .. Lord concluded by moving an bumble address to his Majesty,modem' Accoun t ; Ore agr is ol cot al inn rest: excited Si' treat ei e 1 ~ •• that his Nlajesty would be graciously pleased to give orders to The urguscy of the public service required the bill he had in- li ttl e attrition' to that Douse ; but lie felt assured that th e efret a reffirtion of the expenses nt the civil government, re. tr a duced to pass without delay, and he expressed a hope that the serving at the seine time sufficient to maintain the true dignity House wound dispense with the standing orders, and allow the sess ion could not pass 1.11%11y V.llllOlll sootoethlog beirm (lobe for the benefit of the Ins titers. 'Tire nu:mutat tut ere aria the of due Crow le' Bill to pass to-usorrow• t The Adirees having been read, The Bill teas then read the first time, and the Lords were •r) 'flue Eal of I.IVE st In :Ole expressed his surpri s e e ; t h e epeec h summoned Ihr to to moanw, in order to take inio coniduration Coillillry Would Riad, Ile Illaall,lll, 111111 they would tio, well 111 0111111011 tile landed iiiterest. A• to the scheme tor advaticime of Ow noble Loid, wl.o had drawn an inference that governmebt of certain •tanding orders the llouse•—Adjournal. FRIDAY, MARCH 29. insuecy to relieve a_ricolture, it would only Isis pulsating a plan that wits acted upon hereto:hie to benefit the maim- Several private bills were lirong lit tip from the Commons by ladiiir•ws. tu-r. Whatever might have been said on former occasions, he melee felt it strange that at the present day such a charge should Lord Lowther. Mr. S. Wortley, and other,. .... . 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