Take the following as truth: maybe a program like that could replace some of the uh welfare programs if uh you know if we're going to do that then we ought to really get some benefit dollar benefits out of it that uh to reduce spending in some other areas uh you know to do something to eliminate what uh what they refer to as transfer payments
Then the following statement: "Programs like these would never be viable substitutes for welfare programs." is true, false, or inconclusive?