Looking to get sales numbers to make an offer on gas station
I have a client that wants to lease a gas station that 7/11 is leasing but my client doesn't want to make an offering unless he can see sales data. The broker told me they don't have them because 7/11 doesn't release sales data. Does anyone have any experience getting sales data when the company doesn't release them? 

I want to call 7/11 but they have one year left in the lease and I'm nervous that I might tip them to a potential profitable gas station and kill the deal for myself.
[{"id": "gwt9mr7", "text": "They won't release them to you if they're the tenant.  They have no reason to.  You could ask an employee how many gallons they sell?", "replies": [{"id": "gwtfoi6", "text": "That's what I thought about doing.", "replies": [], "depth": 2}, {"id": "gx1hnt3", "text": "do they generally know that?  Just curious for my own knowledge.  Like your random guy who works the register has that info?", "replies": [{"id": "gx3zsqt", "text": "They can have the POS run a quick report on a receipt.  Odds of the person doing it for is low, but it\u2019s easy for a manager to do.", "replies": [], "depth": 3}], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "gwtbhyw", "text": "Why would they release that info to a tenant?", "replies": [{"id": "gwtfvko", "text": "They really have no reason to give that info to a tenant, but I thought they would give ownership an idea of how they would be performing.", "replies": [], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "gwtqnvz", "text": "What about traffic data?\n\nHow many cars pass that road / intersection per day?\n\nMost State DOT sites have that info.  My partner and I were looking at converting an abandoned bowling alley into a self-storage facility.  (Gut the interior, and add units / parking, fencing on the outside, etc).  Upon looking at the State DOT website, this location had 28,000 cars per day in traffic.\n\n&amp;#x200B;\n\nAnother thing you can do is go to the location and observe.  Count number of vehicles getting gas as well as number of customers coming back outside with items.  Then.  Might be worth it to pay a college kid to go on a weekday, and a Saturday.  Cost you $100 per day.  You have some rough insights you can start with.", "replies": [{"id": "gwumu9g", "text": "Blowing alley", "replies": [{"id": "gwxva40", "text": "And?", "replies": [], "depth": 3}], "depth": 2}, {"id": "gwutrfy", "text": "Care to share the address of the blowing alley? Asking for a friend.", "replies": [{"id": "gwwkua7", "text": "Fixed.  Spell check/Grammarly didn't catch that one.", "replies": [], "depth": 3}], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "gwtzw2m", "text": "If profitable what makes you think 7/11 will give it up?", "replies": [{"id": "gwu1n5w", "text": "7/11 hasn't reached out to the listing broker to renew or pass, so I assuming they haven't looked into how profitable it is. That's the reason I want to jump on this before they do.", "replies": [{"id": "gwuzypk", "text": "I\u2019m confused. Is 7/11 not the current operator? You mention they won\u2019t release sales data. I\u2019m sure they review it themselves.", "replies": [], "depth": 3}, {"id": "gx2f3ex", "text": "I work in commercial real estate for a national retailer.\n\nWe are passing OND (official notice dates) for leases all the time to negotiate right up to LED (lease expiration date)\n\nSometimes we go over the LED into MTM (month to month) or holdover to negotiate a better deal.\n\n7/11 is a franchise and I\u2019m not sure how their real estate is handled but maybe they are employing the same strategy?\n\nAlso... if the lease is not based on gross sales we never release sales data to the landlord. We also note and change any of our old leases that have this language.", "replies": [], "depth": 3}], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "gwu0jp6", "text": "7/11 will not give that info to anyone. They are very strict about that stuff. There are consulting companies which will analyze the location and use the local demographics and traffic count to estimate likely sales figures.", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "gwu4pes", "text": "Request to view weekly, monthly sales based on invoice. X52, X12..\n\nOn any sales if they do not produce or allow audit I will not hesitate to find another deal. You go there 1 week later review the cash register. 1 month etc.  This is standard procedure. The one have things to hide do not disclose.", "replies": [{"id": "gwwcasa", "text": "Agree - why put yourself in the position of guessing future revenue? Unless you intend to repurpose the property, past sales data is important.", "replies": [], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "gwu7daq", "text": "Find out from any of 3 or 4 gas stations who supplies 7-11 with gas.\n\nGo talk to one of the drivers.\n\nThere's your gas sales.\n\nWatch traffic in the store for 6 hours.  Take a good book and a clicker (or a solar calculator.  1+ 1, then hit the = sign every time someone comes in, it will add the number 1 to the last total).  Divide that number (of patrons) by 6, multiply that number by 168 (hours in a week).  You'll be high or low depending on the 6 hours you choose to gauge by.\n\nIt'll be somewhat close. Whatever that number is, it'll either make up for slack times, or be too high by some factor.  Either way, multiply that number by 10 bucks.\n\nThere's your sales numbers when 7-11 won't give you any.\n\nIt'll be about as trustworthy as any they give you.\n\n(There's also a great resource online:  It's called Google:  [https://www.google.com/search?q=average+non+gas+sales+at+7-11&amp;source=hp&amp;ei=fXqQYKXCAtDf-gSuwojADw&amp;iflsig=AINFCbYAAAAAYJCIjQ4xtwW9HKYQpFnw\\_VxqnTiTB9R3&amp;oq=average+non+gas+sales+at+7-11&amp;gs\\_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBQghEKABOggIABDqAhCPAVDMGFjMGGCiJmgBcAB4AIABfIgBfJIBAzAuMZgBAKABAqABAaoBB2d3cy13aXqwAQo&amp;sclient=gws-wiz&amp;ved=0ahUKEwjl9JmIya7wAhXQr54KHS4hAvgQ4dUDCAk&amp;uact=5](https://www.google.com/search?q=average+non+gas+sales+at+7-11&amp;source=hp&amp;ei=fXqQYKXCAtDf-gSuwojADw&amp;iflsig=AINFCbYAAAAAYJCIjQ4xtwW9HKYQpFnw_VxqnTiTB9R3&amp;oq=average+non+gas+sales+at+7-11&amp;gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBQghEKABOggIABDqAhCPAVDMGFjMGGCiJmgBcAB4AIABfIgBfJIBAzAuMZgBAKABAqABAaoBB2d3cy13aXqwAQo&amp;sclient=gws-wiz&amp;ved=0ahUKEwjl9JmIya7wAhXQr54KHS4hAvgQ4dUDCAk&amp;uact=5) )\n\n*\"I have a client that wants to lease a gas station that 7/11 is leasing  but my client doesn't want to make an offering unless he can see sales data. The broker told me they don't have them because 7/11 doesn't release sales data.\"*\n\nSumpin ain't quite right here.\n\nA national tenant is leasing a property from someone, and that someone doesn't have a lease that allows them annual docs regards the tenants volume?\n\nNope.  Not buying it.\n\nSomething is missing from this discussion.", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "gx2p2hh", "text": "Get friendly with the manager and ask? Maybe offer some $$$ under the table to get some sales figures \\*shrug\\*", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "gx6yye6", "text": "Try Placer.AI and compare to other similar sites.", "replies": [], "depth": 1}]