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[{"id": "h44qhzs", "text": "Are they just measuring the walls? I\u2019d say that\u2019s typical for space planning and confirming Rentable Square Feet. I had the same situation last week, I measured the space for a new tenant coming into a space with an existing tenant.", "replies": [{"id": "h44tkr5", "text": "Hello and thank you for responding. If the tenant expressed they couldn't make the requested time and gave a substitute time would you honour that or still press forward for your requested time?\n\nWhilst pressing forward would you hold over their head the deal you got them for their lease? And would you guilt trip them into thinking that the closing of the deal lies entirely upon things needing to be measured. \n\nAlso the rentable square feet is already measured and is on the listing site, I believe it's the couple who want to come in and measure if their furniture will fit.", "replies": [{"id": "h4657y9", "text": "What is the difference if they want to measure for furniture or not they will be opening the business in there and they are entitled to that right. \n\nYour lease should also have language stating inspections and marketing tours typically its 48 hours notice. \n\nLet them in and be nice. It does not pay to make everyone else\u2019s  life difficult.", "replies": [], "depth": 3}], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "h44qiea", "text": "Tell the agent if you have the deposit you are contemplating of forefeit the deposit and lease to another applicant. This is close to harrassment.", "replies": [{"id": "h44s625", "text": "Hi, thank you for your response. I am not the owner, the owner has an office opposite me and the retail agent works for him.\n\nIt honestly does feel like harassment. Three times I've had to tell him no and now I have to send him another email reiterating that I don't have time until the end of the month.", "replies": [], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "h44sgje", "text": "My leases state that the tenants must make reasonable accommodations for showings and inspections if they are not renewing at the end of their lease term.  A prospective tenant wishing to view a 2nd time to verify measurements before signing a lease is reasonable.  These people just want to measure some stuff.  You probably would too if you were in their shoes.\n\nCould you ask the leasing agent to attend with them so you can go about your business while they do their measuring?  You don\u2019t have to personally hang out with them or help them measure.  They just need your permission to access the space.  It would be nice of you to accommodate them.  If your heat or AC was out, I\u2019m sure you could accommodate a repair person within 24 hours.  I\u2019d let the people get in to measure.  Whether you are required to by your lease is a separate question.  Good luck!", "replies": [{"id": "h44wbil", "text": "I guess we are two different kind of people then. For the record it is not in my lease. \n\n*You probably would too if you were in their shoes* \\- No, I would never bother a business with a tape measure whilst knowing they have a business to run. \n\n*They just need your permission to access the space -* Exactly, it is my private business space which I run solely, granting them access means moving all the client work that I have out drying and trying to find a safe space for them while they are manoeuvring around. \n\nIf your heat or AC was out, I\u2019m sure you could accommodate a repair person within 24 hours. -   \nI've actually lived with banged up air con for years because I couldn't find the time to accommodate a repair person.   \n\nFurthermore my issue is more to do with the agent not accepting the fact that alongside my business I have other things to attend to and wasn't able to make his suggested time. I gave him the dates on when my schedule will free up and he will not stop pestering me with his time. Do you think that is reasonable? Am I not allowed to have a schedule and commitments?", "replies": [{"id": "h44yqkm", "text": "Sounds to me like you\u2019re more just looking for a platform to vent rather than actual objective feedback.", "replies": [{"id": "h4504jc", "text": "No, I would like to hear from tenants who have had similar experiences and how they have handled it, not agents that are approaching it from a viewpoint of closing a deal.\n\nIs it really a lot to ask for them to wait until I have my affairs in order?\n\nI am trying to look at this objectively but perhaps that is hard to do since I am heavily invested in this. I would also counter that feedback from a real estate agent isn't really objective either.", "replies": [{"id": "h450vc6", "text": "Most tenants would just accomodate them. That's the feedback man.", "replies": [{"id": "h451m2y", "text": "I get that but would they accommodate them when they are knees deep in work and other commitments or would they try to reschedule at a better time?", "replies": [], "depth": 6}], "depth": 5}, {"id": "h455aev", "text": "Just wanting to clarify that the feedback I gave you above is coming to you as a business owner.  I now own the building that we are in but I was a commercial tenant for many many years.  I also own a few small buildings that are leased out so I'm familiar with this issue from both sides.  Good luck!", "replies": [{"id": "h45c8lc", "text": "&gt; the feedback I gave you above is coming to you as a business owner.  I now own the building that we are in but I was a commercial tenant for many many years.  I also own a few small buildings that are leased out so I'm familiar with this issue from both sides.  Good luck!\n\nThanks for your feedback. I think it is a good move to put it in the contract. I've mentioned before that had it been in my contract I wouldn't of cared as much because it is what I would of expected and could of made plans accordingly.", "replies": [{"id": "h45oc2f", "text": "Yeah, understandable.  It's such a standard clause I'm surprised they don't have that in there.  Bet they will with the next lease.  Good luck!", "replies": [], "depth": 7}], "depth": 6}], "depth": 5}], "depth": 4}], "depth": 3}], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "h44tgtz", "text": "You are being unreasonable.  Whether or not you are required to or not will be outlined in your lease.", "replies": [{"id": "h44wgts", "text": "It's not in my lease.", "replies": [{"id": "h44wuy9", "text": "It's reasonable for them to come back to take measurements, but it's also reasonable for you to expect the leasing agent or owner to accompany them because it's still your space.", "replies": [{"id": "h44xh0y", "text": "I actually don't care if the leasing agent comes or not. What I care most about is I have to leave at the end of the month and I have client work to complete before then. The work takes up space and it needs time to dry having people come in runs the risk of the work being compromised. I've opened up the last week of July for them to come in but apparently that is not enough.", "replies": [{"id": "h46ve6d", "text": "If I were you, I would take yellow caution tape and pylons/poles/etc. to tape off the area around the client work with signs saying \"Do not cross\" and \"Do not touch\". Let the agent know that if anyone goes behind the tape and compromises your product/business property/etc. that the agent and the owner will be held liable for any damage.\n\nIf your products are truly that sensitive, then they should know (based on the nature of your business) and they should *want* to avoid the potential liability risk by rescheduling like you're asking.", "replies": [], "depth": 5}], "depth": 4}], "depth": 3}], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "h44zlti", "text": "You\u2019re the one being pretty unreasonable. You are preventing him from leasing out the space to new tenants. I know that\u2019s hard to hear, but you\u2019re being the problem in this scenario.", "replies": [{"id": "h4518tr", "text": "How so? Is measuring things really a deal breaker? I met them and they seemed pretty keen on the place without any mention on measuring this or that. \n\nMind you I'm trying to run my business here and have requested a different time for them to come in due to business commitments.\n\nBasically I'm asking to reschedule, that's it.", "replies": [{"id": "h456iij", "text": "You\u2019re asking to reschedule a MONTH from now. They are trying to run a business as well. You\u2019re moving on and in the process you\u2019re hindering these new people from being able to plan and move forward. Every single person here has said you\u2019re being unreasonable and you constantly argue. You\u2019re very conduct in this thread shows your unreasonableness. Go away because you aren\u2019t gonna find the sympathy you are seeking.", "replies": [{"id": "h4571my", "text": "The last week of July is not a month away. This is my most busiest month I am not moving on I am stuck with a very real deadline that I need to complete. \n\nIf you think it is sympathy I am after you need help.", "replies": [{"id": "h458i0v", "text": "Here you are arguing again. Yes, the last week of July is a few weeks, the end of the month and we are barely at the beginning of the week. \nEver heard of the Golden Rule? Do unto others as you have would have them do unto you? Are you saying that you wouldn\u2019t want to know about the space you\u2019re getting into and you would sign a lease without knowing the space and how your business would fit into it?", "replies": [{"id": "h459plt", "text": "&gt;thers as you have would have them do unto you? Are you saying that you wouldn\u2019t want to know about the space you\u2019re getting into and you would sign a lease without knowing the space and how your busines\n\n&amp;#x200B;\n\n*Do unto others as you have would have them do unto you?* This is precisely the rule I am executing as stated before I wouldn't rock up to someone's business with a tape measure and expect to be accommodated.  \n\n*Are you saying that you wouldn\u2019t want to know about the space you\u2019re getting into and you would sign a lease without knowing the space and how your business would fit into it.* Yes I've done it twice before where I've made my business fit into the space given. I know that is not how everyone operates but that is how I operate. \n\nAlso again if you think this is arguing you need help. \n\nI'm actually learning a lot from peoples comments just because I have been responding with my POV and trying to shed more light on the matter doesn't make it arguing. Its called a conversation where two parties have a difference of opinion and are trying to find common ground.", "replies": [{"id": "h459ycc", "text": "You\u2019re 100% right in everything. My apologies. Best of luck in your future endeavors.", "replies": [], "depth": 7}], "depth": 6}], "depth": 5}, {"id": "h45pvby", "text": "The amount of time you spent responding to people, the measurements could have been done. You do not know if it\u2019s a dealbreaker or not. Just let the people measure. I bet it\u2019ll take 5-10 mins.", "replies": [], "depth": 5}, {"id": "h46yuhb", "text": "It\u2019s a long time and unreasonable. Within a week of the request would be reasonable. Longer and sorry you\u2019re just being difficult. End of the month? You might as well just say I\u2019m not accommodating any requests wait until I move out. Did I read it wrong and did you not say you\u2019d leave earlier if they found a tenant?\nHow can you do that if you can\u2019t even let a prospective tenant see the place until the end of the month?", "replies": [], "depth": 5}], "depth": 4}], "depth": 3}], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "h452u65", "text": "If it were you needing the measurements, I imagine you'd find your own behavior right now unreasonable.", "replies": [{"id": "h457mpy", "text": "Like I mentioned previously I never even knew this was a thing I always assumed you wait for the occupants to leave before coming in and making arrangements. \n\nTo give you some background with this agent, years ago when I wanted to inspect a property that had no occupants his response to me was look through the front window.", "replies": [], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "h452uz8", "text": "You really need to flip through your lease and read the section pertaining to the owner\u2019s right to inspect/obtain access. Boiler plate lease language typically states something to the effect of the owner only needs to provide 24 hour notice before entering the space you are leasing, but again, I\u2019d check to see what your lease says specifically. \n\nWith that said, wouldn\u2019t you want to take some measurements? Seems like a totally reasonable request.", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "h454sx9", "text": "Not sure where you are but in Ontario Canada if I give you at least 24 hours notice to show your unit, you are expected to comply and you would be considered unreasonable if you didn't. Hope this helps.", "replies": [{"id": "h456o1d", "text": "Well I guess it sucks to be in Ontario Canada lol.\n\nAlso if it was stated in my lease I would not care because I would of had time to prepare for it. I had no idea this was an actual thing.", "replies": [{"id": "h45dr6l", "text": "It's pretty much a North American standard to approach it this way, not just Canadian. I can't comment on the wording of your lease but if you feel confident the wording supports your position then why are you asking for input from Reddit only to maintain your stance when anyone counters your argument? Seems like you want to roll the dice anyway.", "replies": [{"id": "h45es5r", "text": "Have you read all my comments?\n\nIts not in my contract and I'm on reddit cuz that agents response had me feeling stressed, pressured and guilty, the fair trading number is closed and I thought I'd get others opinions on the matter while waiting for them to open.", "replies": [], "depth": 4}], "depth": 3}], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "h455s51", "text": "You\u2019re being unreasonable frankly. At most, you could ask to move the showing to a time outside of business hours, but denying entry or trying to push out more than a week, even if you oddly have that right in your lease, is pretty ridiculous. It would be different if you said this is their 10th tour in a month or something like that, but two, come on man.", "replies": [{"id": "h4560dc", "text": "Dude I'm requesting a different date not denying entry.", "replies": [{"id": "h456txb", "text": "I read it as complete denial, apologies. If you\u2019re moving it a couple days, I\u2019d say that\u2019s reasonable. A couple weeks starts to quickly get less reasonable.", "replies": [{"id": "h458c9o", "text": "Trying to get it a couple of days from now is a hella lot of work on my behalf and takes away from time I needed. But I guess that's what I need to do. Thanks for your response.", "replies": [{"id": "h45ihb3", "text": "I\u2019d just let the broker know the current condition of the space and try to minimize the work on your end of moving anything. Probably not needed for measuring the space and hopefully makes it easier on you. Moving is never fun, so this is just part of the process.", "replies": [], "depth": 5}, {"id": "h46cjg5", "text": "In the amount of time you took to write this post and respond to everyone, you probably could have had them in and out for their measurements.... This does not read like a productivity thing. If you were that busy, you would not be here.", "replies": [], "depth": 5}], "depth": 4}], "depth": 3}], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "h461skk", "text": "The landlord and his agent should already have a diagram of the space with measurements.\nYou are NOT being unreasonable \u2026 you have a business to run.  I would give them a date and time window and YOU TELL THEM when they can intrude.", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "h466syf", "text": "Being totally unreasonable.", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "h46zpjl", "text": "You kinda suck. You are the person I hate to deal with. It's highly likely that agent will never work with you again, depending on the market, your reputation has been tarnished significantly.", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "h47uez6", "text": "man just go back to selling SFHs \ud83d\ude02\ud83d\ude02", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "h48bquh", "text": "Think of it this way - the landlord owns what you are renting and leaving, and any time the unit spends vacant is costing them money. Since you\u2019ve already decided to leave (obviously totally fine) they\u2019re incentivized to prioritize a new potential tenant.\n\nThey are touring before you leave to both minimize potential downtime, and because there\u2019s no guarantee that the unit will lease soon. If they pass on touring someone that might lease the space to accommodate you, who has decided to leave and therefore stop paying them money, they may have missed their chance with the perfect occupant and now the unit will sit vacant for months or longer.\n\n24 hours is the industry standard, at least in the U.S., for touring notice.", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "h48e0p7", "text": "Is it that you feel the need to be there during the 2nd walk-through and it's tough to arrange time given that you aren't frequently there? If you have to make a special trip to accommodate than you are being perfectly reasonable, if you are there and it's not completely disruptive than yes it's customary to allow them to view and measure. Note that most US leases that I've seen allow the LL to enter the space to inspect or repair with reasonable notification - not consent. \n\nIf the guilt-inducing broker represents tenants (\"tenant rep\") or isn't the exclusive LL rep she/he might not have keys or the right to enter the space without you. If this is the case, and you truly don't have language in the lease that addresses showing the space then you are doing the broker a favor and they should be a bit more flexible. With client work due and everything involved in relocation it's more than reasonable to have them accommodate whatever schedule you prefer.", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "h48iu3d", "text": "Why can't they just arrive, measure, then leave?  It takes just a few minutes.  Finished.   That shouldn't bother you or require any burden on you.  Just walk around with them making sure they don't touch anything.", "replies": [], "depth": 1}]