Hey guys. Anyway I can obtain a tenants PPP info? (NY)
Long story short I have a commercial tending playing the eviction moratorium game trying to coerce me into a permanent discount (won’t happen). 

I know he received every round of the PPP. Anyway I can ascertain how much he’s received?
[{"id": "gunx4wo", "text": "Im 99% sure the government can\u2019t even tell itself yet who got PPP. You\u2019d have to get access to bank records...", "replies": [{"id": "gunyttl", "text": "Most of the PPP loan information is and has become public record.", "replies": [{"id": "gunzbtd", "text": "Have they finally published it? \n\nI was working with a few banks 3 months ago trying to help them organize and report it out and it was a total mess", "replies": [{"id": "gunzlo8", "text": "Months ago.", "replies": [], "depth": 4}], "depth": 3}], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "gunxkn2", "text": "I remember seeing a website that let you pull up this info on a per town basis. \n\nAny guidance would be appreciated.", "replies": [{"id": "gunz94b", "text": "You know his bank (it's the same one that his checks to you in the past have been written on).  \n\nFind out who in that branch handled the PPP SBA loans and send them a note indicating you haven't been paid rent for XXX months and that he's in arrears for that amount.\n\n(Always check with your attorney before you take legal advice from someone {like me} on Reddit).\n\nIf he stated he's paid you (one of the 2 most important items required payment for and of to get forgiveness of his or her loan).....and hasn't....ohhhh....that'd be a shit storm.", "replies": [], "depth": 2}, {"id": "guo0bgf", "text": "https://www.federalpay.org/paycheck-protection-program/ny", "replies": [], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "guo07v9", "text": "https://www.federalpay.org/paycheck-protection-program/ny\n\nIt's all public Information. Just search the entity name and should pull up", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "guo0t32", "text": "I have a similar situation where a commercial tenant hasn't paid rent for a year.  Keeps saying they couldn't get a response to EIDL, etc.. Then after all the stimulus the last few months I asked about his application, said he hadn't heard anything and then I told him I was going to contact the SBA and light a fire under someones ass.  I sent him an authorization to release info to speak to the SBA and then all kinds of excuses started about scanners broken, etc.. but magically he was able to start making rent payments again after I told him if i find out he received SBA funds and didn't pay rent as he was supposed to that I'd be the first to report him.   I'm about to drop an invoice for the entire time he missed last year and tell him he can either pay me or get me the paperwork to discuss with the SBA.", "replies": [{"id": "guoprk0", "text": "The PPP program was not meant to pay rent, it is meant to pay payroll. There is ZERO requirement for them to pay you a penny from any SBA funds. You come off as an uneducated bully trying to get every penny you aren't entitled too. \n\nEvict them or don't. Empty threats are a waste of time.", "replies": [{"id": "gupk488", "text": "You're the one that sounds uneducated because it the wording in the bill is SPECIFICALLY meant to cover rent/mortgage payments.  When you let a tenant quit paying tens of thousands in rent for a year and then read the actual bill, feel free to try to lecture me.", "replies": [{"id": "gupue8a", "text": "My source: I've personal done over 1,200 PPP loans in Round 1 and round 2 for a CDC. I've read the bills, the FAQ's, and been on the conference calls with they SBA as the roll out new guidance. \n\nYou are reading what you want to see, not what the bill says.\n\nThe only time rent is mentioned is in the \"loan forgiveness\" calculation. \n\nEducate yourself.", "replies": [{"id": "gupyvhl", "text": "Yes, it makes perfect sense that my tax dollars are being given to my tenant so they can not pay me rent, while I still have to pay my mortgage.  It is 100% meant for rent.  I have spoken to the SBA and they have confirmed this.  Maybe you need to do a few more PPP loans to figure it out.", "replies": [{"id": "guq43qn", "text": "Yes it does make sense. \n\nIn an economy people can't buy things without money. People don't have money to buy things without jobs. Companies don't make money to pay rent without people buying things. The government used the PPP program to replace the revenue that companies lost just enough to cover 2 months of payroll in a 16 month pandemic. \n\nAgain, I don't really care about your relationship with your tenant, evict them if they haven't paid rent (good luck finding a new commercial tenant in this economy). What I'm telling you is you don't have a leg stand on demanding rent from PPP or EIDL money.", "replies": [{"id": "guu6b8r", "text": "And when companies that take our tax money don't pay their rent to people like me, then I can't keep my employees paid, I can't pay my bills, etc..  I understand all landlords are bad in your eyes, but your judgement is being clouded.\nYour opinion is different than my attorneys as well as many others.  As for another tenant, I'm not worried about another commercial tenant.  I wouldn't boot someone before I have another ready to go.  After two decades in the business you learn how the rodeo works", "replies": [{"id": "gv3zklu", "text": "for some reason it seems as if you are entitled to some portion of their PPP loan because you have bills too.  you are not.\n\nyour tenant has problems, and you got problems.  your problems aren\u2019t at the top of the list for your tenant to solve.  your tenant is gonna solve their problems first (their payroll, which puts food on their table), then maybe they will pay you.  \n\ni\u2019m sorry both of you are going through some hardship right now, it\u2019s tough for everyone.  capitalism is risky.  i\u2019m guessing you made money most years, and this year you\u2019re going to lose some money.  \n\nyou can evict them when you\u2019re able to.  sucks for them also, but they also get to enjoy the highs and lows of being business owners.", "replies": [], "depth": 8}], "depth": 7}], "depth": 6}], "depth": 5}], "depth": 4}], "depth": 3}], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "guo1gmz", "text": "Keep in mind it\u2019s the paycheck protection program and they can use it all on paying employees. Correct me if I\u2019m wrong.", "replies": [{"id": "guo1ud2", "text": "And a portion of it was allocated to rent. \n\nI\u2019m just trying to figure out how much they received. \n\nAny guidance?\n\nBest,\n\nNeil", "replies": [{"id": "guo9m0e", "text": "the use of funds is fairly discretionary.  \n\nUP TO 25% of the PPP loan can be used towards rent, utilities, insurance, etc.\n\nat least 75% must be used towards payroll.\n\nit depends on how they reported it to the sba for forgiveness.  there are many ways for them to report to the sba for full forgiveness and NOT include \u201crent\u201d in their reporting.\n\nthe program also isn\u2019t means tested for round 1 ppp.  this person could have been selling masks and hand sanitizer for record profits, and they would still get the full PPP loan for 2.5 months worth of payroll.  \n\nalso, it\u2019s for 2.5 months worth of documented payroll.  if they\u2019re a small biz, they may have had people paid under the table.  \n\neven if they got their ppp, 2.5 months of payroll really isn\u2019t a ton of money for a business that was truly impacted by covid.  you would burn through that easily in LESS THAN 2 months if your revenue dropped to near zero.\n\nand to be honest, how much they got is none of your business.  if they are a shitty tenant who\u2019s behind on rent because they\u2019re playing the moratorium card , deal with that fact instead of digging into their private matters.", "replies": [{"id": "gup3m44", "text": "Up to 40% can be used towards rent now.", "replies": [{"id": "guqyb20", "text": "this is for round 2?  good to know.", "replies": [], "depth": 5}], "depth": 4}], "depth": 3}, {"id": "guoqqf4", "text": "A portion was allowed to pay rent but not allocated or required.", "replies": [], "depth": 3}], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "guo7hal", "text": "What the actual crap. These eviction moratoriums are absolutely ridiculous. Glad I live in a sensible state.", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "guokztd", "text": "Keep in mind....75% of it had to go towards payroll in order to have the amount of the loan forgiven. They could have used it for other purposes, but they would then have to pay it back with 1% interest, I believe.", "replies": [{"id": "gup3pni", "text": "It\u2019s 60% now", "replies": [], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "guotmjn", "text": "Most employers used the money for payroll to make sure their loan got forgiven. Have they cited the force majeure clause in their lease agreement?", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "gv0jk2w", "text": "Thanks for the help guys. Found it. He\u2019s received 6 figures in assistance. I\u2019ve had an attorney on it, going the ejectment route since eviction isn\u2019t possible. This particular asset is a cash cow, even throughout the pandemic.\n\nThey\u2019ve been playing the moratorium game to try and coerce me into a large rent discount. \n\nFrom what Ive gathered from my attorney, they are rather surprised that I\u2019m applying maximum pressure. I really think they believed that I would just give a big discount for the remainder of the lease (very long term lease). I gave them 50% reduction for the first 3 months of the pandemic, even though they were still profitable. \n\nI have personal guarantees from all 3 partners. All guarantors have been served by a process server. They now have 30 days to respond, as of last Thursday.\n\nEdit: skipped a few things. Had several conversations before I got my attorney involved. Multiple letters were sent prior to this point. They responded to none.", "replies": [], "depth": 1}]