In which ways do you find off-market / wholesale deals?
I’m aware of a few ways, I check lists of newly condemned properties, I drive around looking for properties, I contact owners of properties for rent (especially if they’ve been that way for awhile). 


Which other ways could I be finding these off-market deals?
[{"id": "hpr18ju", "text": "FYI there\u2019s nothing wrong with listed deals. Institutional investors trade marketed properties every day. \n\nOff market sellers are not motivated to sell at market price.", "replies": [{"id": "hpr4ay2", "text": "what's the motivation for off market? Avoiding riff raff and tire kickers?", "replies": [{"id": "hprcq8z", "text": "Sometimes there is a property at a corner with a local tenant etc with the acreage requirement etc you need. \n\nYou gotta go after it regardless if it\u2019s listed or not. That\u2019s just how it works?", "replies": [], "depth": 3}, {"id": "hprv640", "text": "Some owners don't want their property marketed on the open market for a number of reasons. Sometimes they don't want the tenants to know, other times...well, to be honest, I really don't know the reasoning all the time. I can say that I have sold a few off market deals though. I sold a multi tenant automotive center for $5,225,000 a few years back, sold a multi tenant medical building for $4,370,000 last year and am working on a $8MM deal right now. \n\nThere are buyers who only want off market deals. I think they believe they will be getting a better deal, but it doesn't always work out that way. The medical building I sold last year sold for more than market value IMO.", "replies": [{"id": "hpt2xlm", "text": "We mostly look at marketed deals tbh. Probably 90% of what we look at is on market. We love to look at offmarket deals because we avoid a bidding war fighting aginst another buyer who maybe has a cheaper cost of capital and can pay more or who is more aggressive on assumptions and thinks they can pay more. We dont buy every off market deal because we still underwrite it fully and have multiple acquisitions professionals with combined decades of experience looking at them. Off market deals CAN be great though. Just adding context for other readers.", "replies": [], "depth": 4}], "depth": 3}], "depth": 2}, {"id": "hprvwig", "text": "I agree that there is nothing wrong with listed deals....especially if you can get the listing agent to respond to you. I also don't believe that ALL off market sellers aren't motivated to sell at market price. many of them would actually get more money if they put their property on the open market. Most times I think it comes down to not wanting their tenants to know the property is on the market.\n\nI recently sold a strip center where the potential buyer went onto the property and spoke to tenants. Even though we specified not to do so, they did it anyway. Created a lot of hassle and headaches for me and the seller. It did prompt one of the tenants to sign an outstanding lease for 5 years which devalued the center by about $125K. I congratulated the buyers agent with the news.....as the seller didn't reduce the price based on his client being an idiot. We closed the deal about 3 weeks ago at the price we entered escrow at.", "replies": [{"id": "hq8vfiq", "text": "Wait, you got a lease signed and the value of the building went down?", "replies": [{"id": "hqbjgsu", "text": "I understand the surprise here. The lease that was out for signature was \"tenant\" friendly and had not converted the lease from MG to NNN. During the marketing of the property, it was shown as Month to Month, so the new owner would have the ability to modify the lease to their liking or reposition the space. With the space being a national tenant who had been in place for a number of years, they weren't going anywhere.  When the potential buyer walked in and shared \"he would be buying the center and if there was anything he should know\", the tenant walked down to the current ownership and signed the lease that was out for signature for the past 9 months...", "replies": [], "depth": 4}], "depth": 3}], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}]