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[{"id": "hn96yav", "text": "It only took me a month but I think it was cuz I came from a F500 Life company who my current firm does business with", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "hn9ahcs", "text": "Apply for this job and I bet they will hire you. \n\nSource: M&amp;M is a puppy mill of junior brokers. \n\nhttps://jobs.lever.co/marcusmillichap/d46d2675-aad4-44df-a1a0-e70cdee982a6", "replies": [{"id": "hn9egiy", "text": "Don\u2019t do cre if you\u2019re a pussy , at Marcus&amp;Millichap you will learn what it takes to survive your whole career. Find a good team, the business is transformative.", "replies": [{"id": "hn9f28m", "text": "Yes if you can survive 1 year at Marcus you will learn things that cannot be taught any other way.", "replies": [{"id": "hncvmt5", "text": "Like hustle, database building for them- and a 25% split, 50% split, tiered- no thanks.", "replies": [], "depth": 4}, {"id": "hni3rl6", "text": "if you survive a year at m&amp;m it tells the entire industry a lot about you too.  Just something to consider. (I don't necessarily mean this in a positive way)", "replies": [], "depth": 4}], "depth": 3}], "depth": 2}, {"id": "hn9j8hq", "text": "The others are right on M&amp;M being ultimate trial by fire. You'll find out in 2 years whether you've got what it takes to really broker. DO NOT TAKE A JOB THERE WITHOUT NINE MONTHS OF INCOME SAVED UP, MINIMUM. I'd actually advise 2 years, that way you don't have to take the commission hit of joining the SIP program for the small salary.", "replies": [], "depth": 2}, {"id": "hn9lpq6", "text": "I\u2019d advise against this if you want to get into the institutional world. While possible from M&amp;M, it\u2019s not easy. I know my firm wouldn\u2019t hire anyone from there (even if they crush).", "replies": [{"id": "hni4092", "text": "Basically everyone in this industry I know thinks M&amp;M is a joke but the people who work at M&amp;M.  Its the used car salesmen of this industry.  Yeah they bring deals so they get paid but no one really wants to work with them if that makes sense?", "replies": [], "depth": 3}], "depth": 2}, {"id": "hnai135", "text": "If you are 100% sure you want to stay in brokerage this is great advice.\n\nIf you think you want to move to a buyside shop, don\u2019t do it. M&amp;M is typically looked down upon by the buyside because they\u2019re far more focused on sales than on the numbers and underwriting is typically a disaster.\n\nThe exception would be if you can land a spot on their institutional sales team.", "replies": [], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "hn9dqz5", "text": "Graduated in May with a bs in finance 3.8 gpa no relevant work experience and i still don\u2019t have a job. Dozens of apps and a handful of interviews. \u201cNot enough experience\u201d is typical feedback", "replies": [{"id": "hnan4m4", "text": "Should be hundreds of apps if not nearly 1000 apps. Dozens won't get you any where. If you go into sales you'll  be doing way more than dozens of calls. It should be the same mentality.", "replies": [], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "hn9g17n", "text": "Have you taken an Argus Enterprise course? If not, go get Argus Certified. The cost will be be worth it. It is a big check for many people in the industry because as an analyst you\u2019ll be inputting/analyzing Argus a lot.", "replies": [{"id": "hna0qy7", "text": "I just got into valuation and Argus is my biggest learning curve right now. Is there any specific classes that a lot of people take that are decent in quality?", "replies": [{"id": "hna4nwj", "text": "The company that owns Argus, Altus group, has courses. Get certified and it will help immensely in getting a job.", "replies": [{"id": "hncnv1n", "text": "I\u2019ll add that getting certified only requires a ~2.5-day course and then an exam. It\u2019s certainly a good first step towards learning Argus, but it doesn\u2019t tell me someone is proficient at it. However, if I was hiring someone and saw that they made the effort to take the course and obtain the certification, whether it be through a previous company or on their own, then that would show me they care enough to learn it. As bcap said, it\u2019s a great check of a box that will catch some eyes.", "replies": [], "depth": 4}], "depth": 3}], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "hn9jle4", "text": "Networking will only get you hired if you are making a strong connection with an actual manager or maybe team leader...and they won't be at the kind of networking events you're going to. You didn't mention your degree? If you don't have one...well, that's gonna be really damn hard unless you're willing to join a hole in the wall operation or a residential office with a commercial arm.", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "hn9lutp", "text": "I'm very keen on Walker and Dunlop, a Maryland based commercial real estate company. Coming in through the financial side it might not be exactly the path you had in mind, but see if you don't find something to interest you on their \"careers\" webpage. [https://www.walkerdunlop.com/careers/](https://www.walkerdunlop.com/careers/)   I also think highly of their stock (WD);  you might want to check out their YouTube channel  too.", "replies": [{"id": "hnanxkh", "text": "So many developers, re pe funds, reits, specialty shops focused on anything from land, valuation, leasing, local owners-operators, asset management, even construction in dmv area. So much opportunity. I wonder if op has a narrow view of what they're looking for. LinkedIn is so useful.", "replies": [], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "hn9ug35", "text": "There are a lot of minor operations with a lot of turnover where you get in as a junior junior whatever and get to write your ticket as far as what you want to do.  You end up making your network out of calls and guys are always happy to talk about how great they are.  I did this 8 or so years ago. And all the guys i started with are SVPs running their own groups now.", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "hn9x0gb", "text": "As a hiring manager it is a catch 22. Often companies don't want to hire a new college graduate with no industry experience because they will still need a lot of training then either push for a raise or leave for another company that will pay them more. There is a preference for hiring people with 1-3 years experience including internships because they get paid close to entry level wages and need less training. Having a sales person license does show you at least know some industry vocabulary, but outside of real estate sales it isn't needed and isn't very applicable to commercial real estate analysis.\nThink about expanding your job search to include property accounting, commercial property management, or commercial mortgage analyst. This will give you industry experience while earning some money and help you transition into the career path eventually that you want.", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "hnacusb", "text": "So my first question to you is what do you want to do in CRE? There\u2019s a ton of options out there and brokerage is only one of them. I work in CRE and have never held a broker license.", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "hnbygj1", "text": "Well, it depends on your experience. Doing a modeling course is good, but is nothing compare to a bachelor or masters in Real Estate or Economics. There are 3 paths which you could go for:\n\n1- Get experience in a commercial brokerage.\n\n2- Land an entry level analyst job.\n\n3- Work in a bank.", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "hncpbwq", "text": "It took me while but I love commercial real estate and don\u2019t want to go back to residential tbh. Out of school I applied everywhere but it seemed like no one wanted to hire me with no experience and I couldn\u2019t get experience without obviously working, So a bit of a catch 22. I would suggest joining a brokerage that does both (franchise brokerages do this often) and see of you could get some experience that way and then transition into a commercial only brokerage-worked for me. Best of luck", "replies": [{"id": "hnefhk0", "text": "McEnearney, would fit that bill.", "replies": [], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "hngnv99", "text": "Is there anyone that you interviewed with that you could approach that might be willing to provide real feedback over coffee? Try reaching out to someone that you would have worked for, and make it clear that you are not trying to change their decision - just have a sincere interest in working for a shop similar to theirs and would like some career advice. You may get some direct feedback on how you present, what role you might a good fit for, and maybe even make some contacts. Don't make the mistake of becoming defensive or using this as 100% on-target, it may give you the restart you need to find that first role.", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "hni4lla", "text": "if you have 3 real estate licenses and its been 6 months how is that going?  Do you not want to do brokerage?  That is plenty of time to get some deal flow going", "replies": [], "depth": 1}]