What certifications are worth getting for commercial real estate
I’m starting at either Marcus and millichap or jll this summer  so if you list any helpful books/ courses I should look into it would be appreciated
[{"id": "hwope30", "text": "Also is it worth getting a sql cert", "replies": [{"id": "hwovfyq", "text": "I made a post about this the other day. The main ones I was recommended was Excel first and foremost, learning macros and how to build financial models. Someone said to try to replicate some of the stuff from Procalc in Excel. Beyond that, Argus and A-CRE were also put forth. I'm new to this as well and I don't want to spend $1,500 on certifications that won't mean anything.", "replies": [], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "hwowqvr", "text": "ACRE is a good program for CRE modeling and CRE finance in general, though it is time consuming and not particularly easy if you\u2019re not used to excel and modeling in general. You\u2019ll need to put the work in.", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "hwoxqx9", "text": "Certified rich parents are the best thing.", "replies": [{"id": "hws6wp5", "text": "Rich parents with friends who own lots of commercial real estate that they\u2019d like to sell in the next 6-12 months.", "replies": [{"id": "hwt1bxy", "text": "Literally got replaced at JLL by the son of a local office/MF developer. My old colleagues said he\u2019s incompetent and a prick to the brokerage admins.", "replies": [], "depth": 3}], "depth": 2}, {"id": "hx1xcsq", "text": "Fr", "replies": [], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "hwp28sc", "text": "I've done the UCLA Extension for real estate certification, if you are switching industries , it gives you a good base and you get to take an ARGUS course, which will give you a student license valid for 6 months. CCIM is one of the good ones IMHO.\n\nHowever, if you want quick practical knowledge, take a look at J[ustin Kivel's Break into CRE](https://breakintocre.com/) courses. I took those a while back and damn they were good. Underwriting, modeling 101, even improved my excel skills with those.\n\nARGUS, if you know how to use that software, it will help you get your foot on the door. Employers don't necessarily care for the certification per se, but if you're able to use it, it's golden.", "replies": [{"id": "hwp2je0", "text": "What\u2019s better break into cre or acre?", "replies": [{"id": "hwpqyl1", "text": "Argus. You will likely be using it every day.", "replies": [], "depth": 3}, {"id": "hwq0bod", "text": "Both are well regarded and seem to cover similar stuff. I personally used REFM courses which are also pretty good", "replies": [], "depth": 3}], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "hwp5rbl", "text": "Both companies have strong training programs. I wouldn\u2019t think too much about additional items to be honest. Be somewhat proficient in excel if you aren\u2019t now - it will help a bit but both companies use proprietary modeling as well. You will need an understanding of modeling for your first few years unless you start on a team that has an underwriter/analyst already. \n\nSource : 8.5 years as M&amp;M broker", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "hwp6rit", "text": "The certifications depend on your specialty, IMO. What product type do you plan on pursuing?", "replies": [{"id": "hwp6vqa", "text": "Not sure yet I\u2019m doing a rotational internship", "replies": [], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "hwpb73o", "text": "I 100% agree with everyone\u2019s comments on Excel. That\u2019s mandatory. Experience with other modeling programs is a plus. However, I have a completely different suggestion as well. Look into the Sandler Selling System and whether there\u2019s a Sandler consultant in your market. \n\nSource:  COO with 27 years in CRE", "replies": [{"id": "hws7f9g", "text": "I work with a sales trainer based outside of Philly who covers the entire country. He spun off from being a Sandler trainer and he\u2019s wonderful. A great trainer and a great human. DM me if you\u2019d like his deets.", "replies": [], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "hwqfr91", "text": "[Top Shelf Academy](http://www.tsmfinancialacademy.com)\n\nThey have a cheap certification course ($30 I think) for private equity real estate finance.  They teach you the Excel formulas and show how to use them when modeling a deal.  Highly recommend.", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "hx1wrxj", "text": "No love for CCIM?", "replies": [{"id": "hxewr27", "text": "the intro course is fine but really depends what you want to do.", "replies": [], "depth": 2}, {"id": "hxjukbi", "text": "Isn\u2019t it pretty expensive compared to ACRE and Top Shelf Academy?", "replies": [{"id": "hxkb9xw", "text": "The expense is relative. The amount of knowledge you gain pays for itself 10 fold.", "replies": [], "depth": 3}], "depth": 2}, {"id": "i9l28fu", "text": "CCIM is more for brokerage. Moreover, it\u2019s more for brokers who work at smaller shops just trying to look better on paper to clients/other businesses. From my experience, the institutional real estate industry doesn\u2019t look highly upon the CCIM. I\u2019ve heard the courses are decent but the designation itself won\u2019t get you anywhere in the institutional world. Maybe at the smaller shops like M&amp;M.", "replies": [], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "hxewplo", "text": "What are you trying to do? Are you trying to specifically target large industrial capital markets or are you doing 10 unit MF deals?", "replies": [], "depth": 1}]