Commercial Real Estate -any good budgeting applications ?
What software application do you use for  budgeting for  commercial properties (office, retail, industrial)?

Is there a good application that can calculate CAM recoveries when doing a budget ? 

Some people use Kardin (never used it). Yardi for commercial real estate budgeting is bad.

Most of the people I know use excel files .

Any other recommendations/ feedback ?
[{"id": "ixovoap", "text": "Yardi is fine if you use the ABF module", "replies": [{"id": "ixqymft", "text": "never used ABF module. Can you set up/calculate CAM charges for different lease types/cost centers?", "replies": [{"id": "ixr7nhg", "text": "ABF + Forecast Manager is where it\u2019s at. We\u2019re at about $0.035psf for our all in Yardi costs. \n\nIt uses the lease set up to automatically calc the CAMs (including different pools). If the set up is wrong then the calcs will spit out garbage", "replies": [{"id": "ixr92dx", "text": "What modules do you have from Yardi for 0.035 psf?\n\nSo you can set up different pools in lease set up such as: NNN, NNN with CAM stop, Base Year, Base Year with CAP , Gross UP or you are limited ?", "replies": [{"id": "ixs396h", "text": "Pricing is based on portfolio size. \n\nEverything is based off of voyager: investment manager, all the elevate products except deal manager (we use VTS) and facilities manager (2023 project), job cost, ABF. That\u2019s what I can think of off the top of my head.", "replies": [{"id": "ixso63u", "text": "what is the cost / cost structure for VTS?\n\nroughly , what is the size range of your portfolio? 5-10M sq.ft?", "replies": [{"id": "ixzc9cz", "text": "VTS is around $0.01/sf + set up costs that I don\u2019t remember. \n\nPortfolio is 10-12MM", "replies": [{"id": "iy6bj8j", "text": "Do you like VTS?\n\nI had seen demos and also recently \"play\" with it. My first reaction was that VTS is nothing more than an interactive stacking-plan.\n\nWhat worried me, is not the fees (who could be lower) but the fact that they use all the data for free. Also , behind VTS there are few real estate companies , such as CBRE, who might have access to all the data for free.\n\nIf I was a LL with a portfolio of 5M-10M sq.ft. I would be concerned to  have all my lease information , comps , tenants info etc on a platform that can be accessed by a real estate company in the business of trading real estate. If they know all your expiries, what will stop them from cold-calling all the tenants and provide them services or take them away from your building(s)", "replies": [], "depth": 8}], "depth": 7}], "depth": 6}], "depth": 5}], "depth": 4}], "depth": 3}], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "ixquubs", "text": "Argus", "replies": [{"id": "iyro0qx", "text": "&gt;Argus\n\nWhat do you like about Argus?", "replies": [], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "j0glvmn", "text": "I'd be interested to hear about your experiance with budgeting in Yardi. Yardi's ABF module and/or Forecast Manager is one of the few products that they do pretty well. Asset Managers I've worked with, most of whom also use Argus, really like it for annual operating budgets and shorter term cash flow forecasts. Since their accounting and lease administration is already in Yardi there isn't any additional work that they need to do for exisitng leases or creating cam pools.", "replies": [{"id": "j0hltur", "text": "I have never used Yardi ABF , but some other people here have used it successfully (assuming that all the data was entered correctly).\n\nEven though I have worked with large real estate companies (US/CAN) the \"foundation\" of budgeting for commercial real estate was excel.\n\nIf you have experience with Yardi ABF &amp; Argus, is Argus compatible/integrated with Voyager so you don't have to duplicate the data entry?", "replies": [], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}]