Could a group of friends rent a retail space and use it a club house without needing inspections and hurdles before occupying the space.
can 6 dudes rent a space nobody wants and watch football and get drunk in it and play pool without being a functioning entity of some sort and going through inspections and hurdles before occupying?
[{"id": "fcpe8o9", "text": "Sure but you would likely want a shitty commercial or industrial space - cheaper rent.", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "fcpelve", "text": "Ya but not all landlord will go for it. \n\nI had a client one time he rented one of his shop spaces to a motorcycle club and it was basically a hangout, had a bar tabled chairs etc.", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "fcper8z", "text": "Depends on the landlord. If it were me, as long as you paid the rent and didn't burn the place down I'd be all for it. It's income for the owner which is all commercial owners want.\n\nGreat idea. Throw some TVs, playstations, couches, and beds in there just in case y'all go wild. I look forward to my invite haha jk. enjoy", "replies": [{"id": "fcphd54", "text": "Do you own your building free and clear? No way the bank would let any of that happen. At a minimum the tenants would need insurance or you mr. landlord will be held liable.", "replies": [{"id": "fcqlw4l", "text": "You are correct.  Imagine the liability...\n\n\n\"As many as 40 feared dead after fire breaks out at illegal California warehouse dance party\"\nhttps://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/fire-breaks-calif-dance-party-killing-multiple-people-article-1.2897249", "replies": [{"id": "fcqu1p1", "text": "You should look into that tragedy some more. That building was a death trap and the city was aware and were trying to shut it down. \n\nIt was an illegal \u201cart collective\u201d which let artists build their own booths/rooms and live in them. This\ufffc created a labyrinth of code violations and fire hazards. The main organizer for this collective belongs in prison.", "replies": [{"id": "fcqv2nc", "text": "agreed", "replies": [{"id": "fcqvst9", "text": "Did you ever look at the interior pictures before the event? I could even imagine the panic those people felt trying to escape.", "replies": [{"id": "fcqvwt0", "text": "I read up when it happened, it was horrific.", "replies": [], "depth": 7}], "depth": 6}], "depth": 5}], "depth": 4}], "depth": 3}, {"id": "fcqugys", "text": "I don\u2019t see what the issue would be. It is no different than a car club or a group garage. Group garages are getting pretty common and it\u2019s just a group of guys that rent space to hang out and hide from their wives. Having a spot to drink beers is less dangerous than a normal warehouse.", "replies": [{"id": "fcr906h", "text": "Who is on the lease? Is it personally guaranteed? Are you storing oil and gas rags? If it burns down and you have a personal guarantee without insurance, you just lost your house and life savings due to negligence. \n\nThere is someone taking risk, and next time you hang out at a group garage, ask to see their lease.  I am willing to bet someone put more time and effort into it than you give it credit for. \n\nI think the lease will be longer than \u201c you guys can do whatever, sincerely landlord\u201d", "replies": [{"id": "fcrj2zw", "text": "Correct, it\u2019s no different from signing a regular business lease. The comments are making it seem impossible.", "replies": [], "depth": 5}], "depth": 4}], "depth": 3}], "depth": 2}, {"id": "fcqlqf1", "text": "&gt;  paid the rent and \n\n&gt; didn't burn the place down\n\nI like this simplified lease. \n\n1. I'll pay on time.  \n\n2. I won't do damage.\n\nSign here: ____________________", "replies": [{"id": "fcqnac0", "text": "Still need insurance", "replies": [{"id": "fcqqdv9", "text": "Not obvious enough I guess, but I was being satirical.\n\nThe post above was  'fine with me as long as ... '\n\nWhen of course there are many more issues.", "replies": [], "depth": 4}], "depth": 3}], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "fcpetwm", "text": "Yes, but retail space isn\u2019t the correct term for what you want. \u201cRetail\u201d is for a space with high traffic and visibility - a storefront.\n\nYou would want flex industrial space, like a small warehouse/commercial garage. This will be much cheaper, have far fewer noise restrictions, and will be much more private.", "replies": [{"id": "fcqgyyd", "text": "Parking would suck normally, but Sunday\u2019s should be wide open", "replies": [], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "fcphab2", "text": "I would say no. \n\nYou need a certificate of occupancy, you need insurance, you need to make sure the bathroom is ada compliant. Are you serving food? You need a health permit, even if you are not selling it. To get a health permit you need a hand washing sink at a minimum. \n\nJust get an air Bnb or go to a bar, someone\u2019s garage. Who wants a 3 to 5 year rent commitment?", "replies": [{"id": "fcqncr5", "text": "If you\u2019re a private club, in a lot of places you need a lot less.", "replies": [{"id": "fcr6yfb", "text": "To be a legal private club, You need to be organized as a social club with the  irs, which is a 501 c 7. This means you must have record keeping requirements. https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/other-non-profits/social-clubs\n\nAn illegal social club is called a gang. \n\nA legal social club has rules and procedures, and a competent landlord will require that zoning and local laws are enforced.", "replies": [{"id": "fcrerj1", "text": "Hence the word \u201cless\u201d not \u201cno requirements.\u201d  \n\nAnd your suggestion that there\u2019s only legal social clubs and illegal social clubs is silly, there\u2019s such a thing as a social club that does not have a legally recognized entity.  It is limited in what I can do \u2013 for example without a legal entity or cannot rent property, although an individual member or group of members could It is limited in what I can do \u2014 for example without a legal entity it cannot rent property, although an individual member or group of members could. A gang requires criminal activity.", "replies": [], "depth": 4}], "depth": 3}], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "fcplsfz", "text": "My friend basically did a mini fantasy factory in college in an industrial area with his buddies. They lived and played and threw concerts in it for a few years until the landlord caught wind and kicked them out.", "replies": [{"id": "fcv5hpd", "text": "Doesn't sound like they were paying rent then lol", "replies": [], "depth": 2}], "depth": 1}, {"id": "fcpq0e8", "text": "Are there other tenants in the retail center?   They may have use restrictions for other tenants in their leases.  Or the LLs lender may have them in the loan agreement.  You\u2019d also want to investigate how the local liquor licensing board would view the use.  May have to incorporate some language in the lease for that.", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "fcpv27m", "text": "Sounds like you want to create a private club or nonprofit.", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "fcqteed", "text": "I can't see how the obvious answer is not just rent a house with your bros", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "fcqypgx", "text": "I'm usually a pretty cautious and rule following person, but if you're talking about a group of friends gathering and bringing along some beer and food to share, I can't fathom having to follow rules about health permits etc. Think about all the offices around where people bring in their lunches and sometimes have potlucks - they don't have health inspections or permits. The key is whether or not you are selling items or providing them to the general public.\n\nWhat you're talking about is similar to a band renting a space to jam or practice.\n\nAs some have suggested, I would target a warehouse space, basically the cheapest space possible.  try to find a place that will do month-to-month, or at least short-term.  Now, putting on my grown-up hat, it would be best if one of you put the lease in your name and all of you had a written agreement about paying the lease signer and some basic rules regarding the space.  You don't want one of the guys going rogue and bringing a bunch of other people over when the group isn't there and doing something crazy.\n\nBeing the boring grown-up that I am, I'd have strict rules about sober or designated drivers. No one drives away from the space who's had more than one drink or beer.  Guys can take turns being the sober driver or everyone Ubers home.  you definitely want to make sure no beer cans are trash or left in the parking area.\n\nTypically, it is illegal to live in commercial buildings, you need a rule against guys crashing there when their girlfriend throws them out.  \n\nThe landlord will probably require you to carry some kind of liability insurance. With drinking going on I would definitely look into additional liability insurance though I'm not sure what kind of policy you would get.", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "fcskk32", "text": "My buddy does this now in Chicago.", "replies": [], "depth": 1}, {"id": "fcxn04f", "text": "A good LL would think twice before allowing this - if there were other adjacent retail tenants. They would want a tenant that is beneficial and brings business and compliments the center. Depends what city as well. There is a \u201cuse code\u201d so you may have to abide by the use or get a change of use. It may not worth the cost to get a change of use.", "replies": [], "depth": 1}]