The place was packed, un-rangered and the course was in terrible shape. 5 hour round with slow greens and old boring layouts on both Palm and Pine courses. The price was nothing special and I injured my wrist there so f it. There are definitely much better choices for the money in Scottsdale. Also the course was full of wanabe's that look like they go to the PGA tour store and fashion themselves after Ian Poulter. BRING YOUR OWN WATER as they only have a few fountains on the course and the water that comes out of them is an un-drinkable 100 degrees. How can they not put out iced water coolers in AZ?