user17934: Here are examples in which the side that desires a stalemate can force a stalemate, provided it is their turn to move.
Are there positions where the side which desires a stalemate does not presently have the current move, but can still force a stalemate?
Let the side desiring a stalemate be white. So it is black's turn to move first. I'd expect that to be very difficult because black has one tempo to avoid a stalemate. So whatever black does, it would have to still result in a stalemate.

user15221: Given that no one else has mentioned this other than bof in a comment, it's likely I'm missing something, but I don't know what: if White is to move and can force stalemate in N moves, then by definition White has a move that creates a position where Black is to move and White can force stalemate in N-1 moves. So any White to force stalemate in more than 2 moves (an example of which you link to) trivially gives an example of what you're looking for.

user4418: Building (or rather tearing down) from Hauke's example:
[FEN "8/8/8/p7/8/Ppk56/brpp4/Kbb5 b KQkq - 0 1"]
[startflipped ""]

Neither black nor white can avoid the stalemate.

user10380: I searched PDB for selfstalemate problems, and the only one I found where Black has more material is:
[Title "Ivan Bryukhanov. Problemkiste Apr 2002, 5630. P1016527. b) s=3"]
[fen "1k6/R1R5/nKp5/8/q7/8/8/8 w - - 0 1"]
[StartFlipped "0"]

1.Ra8+ Kxa8 2. Ra7+ Kb8 3. Ra8+ Kxa8=

The OP asks for the materially superior side to have the move, so take the situation after White's played the key move. Now bPc6 is needless. (Bryukhanov needed bPc6 because, without it, 1 Rb7+ win.)
[Title "Ivan Bryukhanov (version)"]
[fen "Rk6/2R5/nK6/8/q7/8/8/8 b - - 0 1"]
[StartFlipped "0"]

1... Kxa8 2. Ra7+ Kb8 3. Ra8+ Kxa8=

Black's pieces trap wK. White's rooks give sacrificial checks: Black has no option but to capture White's rooks and leave White with a bare, stalemated king.

user10380: Black has made a third queen but White has just checked and can get a draw.
[Title "Holding the draw against three queens"]
[fen "2K5/4q3/3q4/kR6/8/8/8/1q6 b - - 0 1"]
[StartFlipped "0"]

1... Ka4 {Capturing White's rook stalemates immediately} 2. Rb4+! {Black threatens Qc7# (either), so White must keep checking. 2 Ra5+? Kb3 3 Ra3+ Qxa3 wins in 3 more moves} Ka3 3. Rb3+! {3 Ra4+? Kb2/Kb3 4 Rb4+ Kc2 5 Rb2+ Kd3 then e.g. 6 Rb3+ (wR isn't afraid to be en prise) Ke4 7 Rb4+ Qd4 8 Rxd4+ Ke3 9 Rd7 (9 Rd3+/Re4+? QxR) Qf5/Qe6/Qe8+ wins in 3 more moves} Ka2 4. Rb2+! {4 Ra3+ Kb2! 5 Rb3+ Kc1 6 Rc3+ Qc2 7 Rxc2+ Kd1 8 Rc1+ then e.g. Ke2 9 Re1+ Kf3 10 Rf1+ Ke4 11 Re1+ Kd5 12 Rd1+ Kc6 13 Rc1+ Qc5 14 Rxc5+ KxR/QxR and wins in 3 more moves} Ka1 {Ka3 and continuing refusing to capture makes White's rook a rambling rook} 5. Ra2+! {Both captures stalemate immediately.}


user11144: In fact, there are positions where even an infinite amount of free tempi won't help Black at all! Here's a quick sketch:
[FEN "7q/8/8/8/8/Pp6/prpp1p1p/Kbkrbrbr w KQkq - 0 1"]

Observe White still has five free moves with the P. Even if you add that White may pass whenever he may like - still, the only way to a Black win is White committing suicide, e.g. by promoting and later taking on b2.

user4399: [FEN "5k1K/7P/8/8/8/8/8/8 w - - 0 1"]

https://lichess.org/analysis/5k1K/7P/8/8/8/8/8/8_w_-_-_0_1
Remark: Actually, I remember reading about this typical pawn endgame position that is drawn since rook pawn as an explanation as to why stalemate should not be a win for the stalemating player. So if these kinds of stalemates didn't exist, then I think we wouldn't be talking about stalemates (as a draw) in the 1st place. So really the root of this question is about why we have stalemates as draws in the 1st place...or something.
IMNSHO, in light of this remark, I think my answer should be the accepted one so that we know this question isn't some fun fact joke question about chess but really about the very foundation of stalemates as draws.
Exhibit A for why stalemate should NOT be a loss for the person stalemated. Black held the draw here by stalemating white -- should black really have won the game here? by Musicrafter

user15543: Hauke, it stole at least 20 minutes of my time. But here is here a position, without promoted pieces, in which not infinite tempi can help Black win. This is not a dead position as both sides have theoretical wins. Black can even let White promote and it will be a draw still. Furthermore, if White was low on time for example, they could easily enforce a stalemate with a knight promotion.
[FEN "8/6pp/6pk/6p1/6P1/q5PK/P5PP/8 b - - 0 1"]
[startflipped ""]

1... Qb4 2. a4 Qc5 3. a5 Qd6 4. a6 Qe7 5. a7 Qf8 6. a8=N Qe7 7. Nb6 Qd6 8. Nc8 Qc5 9. Nd6 Qd5 10. Nf7+ Qxf7


17934: <p><a href="https://chess.stackexchange.com/questions/23671/examples-of-forced-stalemate">Here are examples in which the side that desires a stalemate can force a stalemate, provided it is their turn to move.</a></p>
<p>Are there positions where the side which desires a stalemate does not presently have the current move, but can still force a stalemate?</p>
<p>Let the side desiring a stalemate be white. So it is black's turn to move first. I'd expect that to be very difficult because black has one tempo to avoid a stalemate. So whatever black does, it would have to still result in a stalemate.</p>
 15221: <p>Given that no one else has mentioned this other than bof in a comment, it's likely I'm missing something, but I don't know what: if White is to move and can force stalemate in N moves, then by definition White has a move that creates a position where Black is to move and White can force stalemate in N-1 moves. So any White to force stalemate in more than 2 moves (an example of which you link to) trivially gives an example of what you're looking for.</p>
 4418: <p>Building (or rather tearing down) from Hauke's example:</p>
<pre><code>[FEN &quot;8/8/8/p7/8/Ppk56/brpp4/Kbb5 b KQkq - 0 1&quot;]
[startflipped &quot;&quot;]
</code></pre>
<p>Neither black nor white can avoid the stalemate.</p>
 10380: <p>I searched PDB for selfstalemate problems, and the only one I found where Black has more material is:</p>
<pre><code>[Title &quot;Ivan Bryukhanov. Problemkiste Apr 2002, 5630. P1016527. b) s=3&quot;]
[fen &quot;1k6/R1R5/nKp5/8/q7/8/8/8 w - - 0 1&quot;]
[StartFlipped &quot;0&quot;]

1.Ra8+ Kxa8 2. Ra7+ Kb8 3. Ra8+ Kxa8=
</code></pre>
<p>The OP asks for the materially superior side to have the move, so take the situation <em>after</em> White's played the key move. Now bPc6 is needless. (Bryukhanov needed bPc6 because, without it, 1 Rb7+ win.)</p>
<pre><code>[Title &quot;Ivan Bryukhanov (version)&quot;]
[fen &quot;Rk6/2R5/nK6/8/q7/8/8/8 b - - 0 1&quot;]
[StartFlipped &quot;0&quot;]

1... Kxa8 2. Ra7+ Kb8 3. Ra8+ Kxa8=
</code></pre>
<p>Black's pieces trap wK. White's rooks give sacrificial checks: Black has no option but to capture White's rooks and leave White with a bare, stalemated king.</p>
 10380: <p>Black has made a third queen but White has just checked and can get a draw.</p>
<pre><code>[Title &quot;Holding the draw against three queens&quot;]
[fen &quot;2K5/4q3/3q4/kR6/8/8/8/1q6 b - - 0 1&quot;]
[StartFlipped &quot;0&quot;]

1... Ka4 {Capturing White's rook stalemates immediately} 2. Rb4+! {Black threatens Qc7# (either), so White must keep checking. 2 Ra5+? Kb3 3 Ra3+ Qxa3 wins in 3 more moves} Ka3 3. Rb3+! {3 Ra4+? Kb2/Kb3 4 Rb4+ Kc2 5 Rb2+ Kd3 then e.g. 6 Rb3+ (wR isn't afraid to be en prise) Ke4 7 Rb4+ Qd4 8 Rxd4+ Ke3 9 Rd7 (9 Rd3+/Re4+? QxR) Qf5/Qe6/Qe8+ wins in 3 more moves} Ka2 4. Rb2+! {4 Ra3+ Kb2! 5 Rb3+ Kc1 6 Rc3+ Qc2 7 Rxc2+ Kd1 8 Rc1+ then e.g. Ke2 9 Re1+ Kf3 10 Rf1+ Ke4 11 Re1+ Kd5 12 Rd1+ Kc6 13 Rc1+ Qc5 14 Rxc5+ KxR/QxR and wins in 3 more moves} Ka1 {Ka3 and continuing refusing to capture makes White's rook a rambling rook} 5. Ra2+! {Both captures stalemate immediately.}
</code></pre>
 11144: <p>In fact, there are positions where even an infinite amount of free tempi won't help Black at all! Here's a quick sketch:</p>
<pre><code>[FEN &quot;7q/8/8/8/8/Pp6/prpp1p1p/Kbkrbrbr w KQkq - 0 1&quot;]
</code></pre>
<p>Observe White still has five free moves with the P. Even if you add that White may pass whenever he may like - still, the only way to a Black win is White committing suicide, e.g. by promoting and later taking on b2.</p>
 4399: <pre><code>[FEN &quot;5k1K/7P/8/8/8/8/8/8 w - - 0 1&quot;]
</code></pre>
<p><a href="https://lichess.org/analysis/5k1K/7P/8/8/8/8/8/8_w_-_-_0_1" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://lichess.org/analysis/5k1K/7P/8/8/8/8/8/8_w_-_-_0_1</a></p>
<p><strong>Remark</strong>: Actually, I remember reading about this typical pawn endgame position that is drawn since rook pawn as an explanation as to why stalemate should not be a win for the stalemating player. So if these kinds of stalemates didn't exist, then <strong>I think we wouldn't be talking about stalemates (as a draw) in the 1st place</strong>. So really the root of this question is about why we have stalemates as draws in the 1st place...or something.</p>
<p>IMNSHO, in light of this remark, I think my answer should be the accepted one so that we know this question isn't some fun fact joke question about chess but really about the very foundation of stalemates as draws.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/lcs15t/exhibit_a_for_why_stalemate_should_not_be_a_loss/gm1nuy9?utm_source=share&amp;utm_medium=web2x&amp;context=3" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Exhibit A for why stalemate should NOT be a loss for the person stalemated. Black held the draw here by stalemating white -- should black really have won the game here?</a> by <a href="https://www.reddit.com/user/Musicrafter/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Musicrafter</a></p>
 15543: <p>Hauke, it stole at least 20 minutes of my time. But here is here a position, without promoted pieces, in which not infinite tempi can help Black win. This is not a dead position as both sides have theoretical wins. Black can even let White promote and it will be a draw still. Furthermore, if White was low on time for example, they could easily enforce a stalemate with a knight promotion.</p>
<pre><code>[FEN &quot;8/6pp/6pk/6p1/6P1/q5PK/P5PP/8 b - - 0 1&quot;]
[startflipped &quot;&quot;]

1... Qb4 2. a4 Qc5 3. a5 Qd6 4. a6 Qe7 5. a7 Qf8 6. a8=N Qe7 7. Nb6 Qd6 8. Nc8 Qc5 9. Nd6 Qd5 10. Nf7+ Qxf7
</code></pre>
