i saw shiner on dvd . while i be watch it and i think and this be a really bad porn flick without the porn . i also think and whoever write this have some real issue . then i watch the director or writer carlson explain his process a a special feature . yeah and it be real special . the emphasis of the film be place on two alcoholic loser who hit each other to get off . they be marginally attractive . there be frontal and full nudity . these factor probably account for the film be see at all . the most upsetting element of the film be the gay bashing and the subsequent further gay bashing of the same victim who try ineptly to exact revenge from his assailant and the two drunken loser . not only be the subject handle absurdly and badly from a technical point of view and but the acting be horrendously bad . then there the boxer stalker theme . this be really insane and not just absurd . this hunky boxer be somehow traumatize by the persistent attention of a fleshy momma boy who work at his gym parking lot . this be in la and mind you . the boxer be so traumatized that he turn up at the stalker house and strip in front of him and get excite in the process . well and all i can say be and why would a boxer who be at heart an exhibitionist be so traumatize by the attention of a stalker . it simply make no sense . and and i be afraid and some psycho dynamic actually do make sense and if you take the time to read about them . however and bad script seldom make sense at all . the director or writer seem to have think that this film represent a considerable minority within the gay community . well and he may be correct and i suppose . we may never know and since that minority would be so dysfunctional they would hardly be able to get organize enough to ever get to an obscure gay film festival or dvd store and the only two place they could possibly find this turkey . thank goodness for that .