So even in the time of Confucius, there was more and more tension between states. People felt less confident in the central government. And as we'll see, in this late spring and autumn period, and especially as we get into this really violent period known as the warring states period, a lot of philosophers started to arise, and philosophies began to arise, because people were struggling with these questions of what is the role of the state? What does it mean to be a good person? How does humanity fit in with the cosmic order? Now what's interesting about Confucius is by his own account, he says that he didn't come up with anything new. It's more of him trying to resuscitate or rejuvenate some of the traditions of the past.