There is only, according to Jainists, the universe that is all eternal. They also believe that Jainism has been around forever, that it is eternal as well. And they divide the universe basically into two different, you want to call them substances, we'll call one jiva, soul, the eternal life force. And they believe that our souls and the souls of animals and plants and every living being is eternal as well, that it's always existed. Nobody created the soul. They also believe that there is something called a jiva, which is basically matter and time and space. And they believe, Jainists do, that just like there's laws of the universe when it comes to matter, time and space, there are laws of the universe that apply to our souls.