On top of that, what you have in the year 800, you're actually in this period where you've had several conflicts over this notion of iconoclasm. This iconoclasm movement, you could say, started in 726 when the Byzantine emperor said, enough of these images of Jesus and the Virgin Mary and other figures of Christianity in our churches, citing references in the Old Testament saying that, hey, we shouldn't have these images. And so this conoclasm, or these destroying of icons, starts to begin. Well, the pope in the West, they say, hey, we don't think we have to listen to you. I am the bishop of Rome. I have universal jurisdiction. And then to add insult to injury, now in 800, you have Charlemagne being crowned holy Roman emperor.