The Varangians first are trying to get tribute from these tribes, which is a way of saying, tax them, making them subservient to these Vikings. And even though these Eastern Slavs were able to push them back, according to the primary chronicle, they said, hey, we need your help. We want you to rule over us. There's very few times in history where people are asking a foreign group to rule over them. And so this is an interesting question. Remember, this history is written under the rule of one of the descendants of Rurik. So do you think it was actually this way?