The legalists have a strong pragmatism. They are dismissive of the Confucian notion of strong internal ethics and that will guide people and rulers. Legalists are much more about, look, we need a strong, orderly, central state. We need to do whatever it takes and it might be clamping down on people hard in order to have stability, in order to have rule. And you can imagine the context in which this legalism is coming about. This is during the Warring States period, this incredibly violent period where the states in China are fragmented and so you can imagine these people who are very realistic. They're like, look, we've had this Confucianism.