"'Caste is not a physical object, "'like a wall of bricks or a line of barbed wire "'which prevents the Hindus from commingling "'and which has therefore to be pulled down. "'Caste is a notion. "'It is a state of the mind.' And if you look at modern India or if you talk to modern Hindus, many of them will say, hey, we don't take caste seriously. We view this as a part of our past and a part of our past that we're not necessarily that proud of. But there are still Hindus who do take the caste system seriously, especially if you go into rural areas and villages. Many of the things that B. R. Ambedkar faced, this level of discrimination, of Dalits not being able to go to a temple, not having access to water resources, this is still happening in India.