But you can see in this map right over here, entering into the third century BCE, Carthage that you see in blue was a significant empire. So the question is, who were these Carthaginians? So the answer is that they were Phoenicians. And another answer is even the Phoenicians did not call themselves Phoenicians, but to understand where all of this came from, we have to go back 5,000 years ago, 5,000 years before, roughly 5,000 years before now, around 3,000 BCE, where you have these city states like Tyre and Sidon. I don't know if you can see those well. Let me rewrite it. That is Tyre.