And at that time, their emperor was an empress. It was Empress Irene of Athens. And so once again, this is creating further tension. They're using different languages, Latin versus Greek. You now have the Western pope recognizing a different, as you could say, Roman emperor in Charlemagne. The nature of the West is becoming more Germanic and using the language Latin, while the nature of the East is continuing in Greek traditions. On top of that, what you have in the year 800, you're actually in this period where you've had several conflicts over this notion of iconoclasm.