And what's interesting about Paul is, Paul starts his life as a very conservative Pharisee. He starts his life persecuting Christian people, and then he has a fairly dramatic switch. And you'll often hear Paul, or you might also hear the name Saul, or Paul of Tarsus. These are all referring to the same person. Tarsus is right over here in modern-day southern Turkey. And Paul, as I mentioned, he grows up in a conservative Jewish family, but he also has Roman citizenship. That's why he has this Roman name, Paul, and he has this Hebrew name, Saul.