And the other empire that you see here in blue was the Carthaginian Empire. And as we will see, in the third and second centuries BCE, Rome and Carthage are going to come at loggerheads. And Rome eventually is going to overthrow Carthage as the dominant empire in the Mediterranean. But you can see in this map right over here, entering into the third century BCE, Carthage that you see in blue was a significant empire. So the question is, who were these Carthaginians? So the answer is that they were Phoenicians. And another answer is even the Phoenicians did not call themselves Phoenicians, but to understand where all of this came from, we have to go back 5,000 years ago, 5,000 years before, roughly 5,000 years before now, around 3,000 BCE, where you have these city states like Tyre and Sidon.