In fact, I'm going to excommunicate you. And he excommunicates the delegation. Excommunication says, I am making you, I am saying you are no longer part of the church. Now, when all of these cross-excommunications are happening, many people probably view this as, hey, this is just a power struggle between folks, probably not a big deal. But remember, this is over centuries of increasing division. Not only do you have language division, you have the West, you have a leaning towards these Germanic kingdoms in the East. They say, hey, we are the real Roman Empire.