So this number is going to be between 1 and 2. So it's going to be between 1 and 2. And it's actually going to be, well, between 1 and 2, you multiply that times 8, you're going to be between 8 and 16. And then you subtract 16, so that means you're going to be between 0 and negative 8. So it's not clear, at least without using a calculator in this very rough way, which of these is large. Both of these are negative numbers, though. Now what about this, natural log of 2?