 In 1983 with Mike Weston he formed Crystal Zoom!, and they were joined in 1984 by Robin Murphy (bass) and Barry Blackler (drums), both from Dunedin band The Idles.Crystal Zoom!had two 1984 cassette releases, and in 1985 a single on the Flying Nun label called "Dunedin Sound on 45", a medley of Dunedin bands set to the hand-clap disco beat well known from 1980s albums such as "Hooked on Classics".