1 00:00:25,523 --> 00:00:33,022 對於江青,雖然小孟同佢接觸唔多,不過亦有啲自己嘅睇法。 2 00:00:34,462 --> 00:00:38,769 江青每次嚟到啊,總有啲惹是生非嘅地方。 3 00:00:40,321 --> 00:00:44,929 作為一個工作人員,小孟就想盡量避開啲佢。 4 00:00:46,113 --> 00:00:53,726 對於自己嘅呢啲睇法,小孟對任何人,包括自己屋企裏便嘅人,亦從來冇講過㗎。 5 00:00:55,599 --> 00:01:04,736 有一次小孟病嘞,正在輸液嘅時候,江青嚟喇,由小張陪埋佢嚟嘅,話嚟探佢。 6 00:01:05,743 --> 00:01:10,641 小孟知道江青嚟喇,就趕快眯埋眼,詐假意瞓着。 7 00:01:11,776 --> 00:01:22,030 只聽見江青話:呢個小孟,係喺空軍嚟㗎?佢今日個樣,顯得好憔悴啊。 8 00:01:23,277 --> 00:01:31,069 小孟眯埋雙眼詐瞓,係怕江青問呢樣問嗰樣,多一事不如少一事嘞。 9 00:01:33,166 --> 00:01:40,016 所以小孟聽見主席提到江青,就唔出聲喺度聽,佢冇打斷亦唔插話。 10 00:01:40,855 --> 00:01:45,497 當然佢希望主席講落去,亦係好有興趣聽。 11 00:01:46,765 --> 00:01:55,453 因為最近江青幾次要見主席,主席都係避而不見,唔准放江青入嗰道大鐵門。 12 00:01:56,490 --> 00:02:03,166 並且每次請示主席,江青要求見面嘅時候,主席總係顯出一種反感。 13 00:02:03,773 --> 00:02:08,085 有時呢只係擰擰頭,有時就乜嘢説話都唔講。 14 00:02:09,666 --> 00:02:12,970 毛主席主動談到江青嘅時候幾乎冇啊。 15 00:02:14,277 --> 00:02:21,090 毛澤東嘅談話就係噉樣嘅,多數係漫談式,想到邊度就講到邊度。 16 00:02:22,345 --> 00:02:32,223 由於佢嘅廣博嘅學識,善於聯想同埋比喻發揮嘅才能,所以聽嘅人呢,都唔會覺得疲勞乏味嘅。 17 00:02:33,596 --> 00:02:41,844 往往講下講下,喺邊一點上有咗興趣喇,或者某人嘅提問、插話,提醒咗啓發主席。 18 00:02:42,805 --> 00:02:49,280 佢會用佢嚟做題目,深深噉開掘落去,大大發揮一番,並引以為榮啊。 19 00:02:50,865 --> 00:02:57,991 睇嚟今日主席將話題,誒,或者話嗰個話題將主席引到江青嘅問題上便喇。 20 00:02:59,010 --> 00:03:02,770 主席突然向小孟提出一個意想不到個問題: 21 00:03:04,269 --> 00:03:15,526 孟夫子,如果全國啲人,都知道咗我同江青離婚嘅消息,會點樣呢? 22 00:03:16,953 --> 00:03:18,529 小孟成個傻晒。 23 00:03:20,029 --> 00:03:27,004 呢句説話佢雖然聽得十分清楚,但係佢好耐都未反應過嚟係咩嘢意思。 24 00:03:28,228 --> 00:03:35,721 的確,主席同江青呢種特殊嘅家庭關係,小孟亦有過一啲想法。 25 00:03:36,752 --> 00:03:39,670 入咗中南海以後,佢先至知道真情。 26 00:03:40,621 --> 00:03:46,277 佢多次發現主席唔願見江青,甚至唔願提起江青呢個名。 27 00:03:47,833 --> 00:04:02,228 但係佢又唔明白,至高無上嘅毛澤東,咩嘢事情都可以辦到嘅毛澤東,乜嘢困難、乜嘢敵人都難唔倒、嚇唔倒嘅毛澤東,點解唔能夠痛痛快快噉同江青離婚呢? 28 00:04:03,594 --> 00:04:07,349 離開,咪算咯,何必噉樣啫? 29 00:04:08,414 --> 00:04:16,601 佢好天真噉樣想過好多次,甚至好多次同主席傾偈嘅時候,佢都想提出自己呢個疑問。 30 00:04:17,789 --> 00:04:24,743 但係佢畢竟係有顧慮嘅,佢畢竟唔敢涉及呢個對佢嚟講嘅絕對禁區。 31 00:04:25,738 --> 00:04:35,570 佢同毛澤東嘅相處,以及地位嘅懸殊,仲未曾達到,係恐怕亦永遠唔可能達到嗰種毫無顧慮嘅程度。 32 00:04:37,277 --> 00:04:45,213 毛澤東身上依舊籠罩住一個神秘嘅光環,儘管小孟多次想去打破呢個神秘。 33 00:04:46,183 --> 00:04:54,359 每次當佢為毛澤東護理住日常生活嘅時候,佢亦時時將毛澤東當成係一個普通嘅老人。 34 00:04:55,772 --> 00:05:03,545 偉人同普通人嘅形象喺度變換住,但係偉人嘅神秘始終迷惑住佢。 35 00:05:05,068 --> 00:05:06,798 小孟停咗好耐先至話: 36 00:05:08,029 --> 00:05:10,676 你,唔係冇同江青離婚咩? 37 00:05:12,312 --> 00:05:18,672 或者呢個問題,主席唔係為小孟提出嚟,而係為自己提出嚟嘅。 38 00:05:19,499 --> 00:05:22,632 睇嚟,亦唔係今日先至提出嚟嘅添。 39 00:05:23,638 --> 00:05:27,779 所以唔等小孟回答,主席就自問自答嘞: 40 00:05:29,474 --> 00:05:36,022 孟夫子,唔使你回答,你係答唔出㗎喇。 41 00:05:37,204 --> 00:05:41,890 離婚,啊,我去邊度起訴哦? 42 00:05:42,776 --> 00:05:46,298 離婚總係要辦個手續啩? 43 00:05:47,235 --> 00:05:54,172 到嗰陣時,唔知道係法官聽我嘅呢,定係我聽法官㗎喇。 44 00:05:55,406 --> 00:05:58,593 噉可能要大大熱鬧一番喇。 45 00:05:59,605 --> 00:06:05,219 總有一日,一了百了,通通解決。 46 00:06:06,455 --> 00:06:09,006 講到呢處,主席又笑起嚟嘞。 47 00:06:09,869 --> 00:06:17,319 嗰啲笑聲裏便,既有一種頑強嘅自信與豁達,又有一種無可奈何嘅壓抑。 48 00:06:18,935 --> 00:06:27,118 呢次係小孟自從入中南海以嚟,第一次,亦係唯一嘅一次聽主席主動談江青。 49 00:06:29,119 --> 00:06:34,553 但係直到今時今日,有一個問題小孟仍然搞唔清楚㗎: 50 00:06:36,504 --> 00:06:40,630 主席,真係想過同江青離婚咩? 51 00:07:20,521 --> 00:07:30,283 毛澤東好願意同人談論問題,特別係遇到佢感興趣嘅話題,佢就會滔滔不絕,不知疲倦。 52 00:07:31,355 --> 00:07:35,606 佢有時會忘記咗自己嘅身份,忘記咗自我。 53 00:07:36,654 --> 00:07:40,012 即使係到咗晚年,佢依舊談風甚健啊。 54 00:07:40,949 --> 00:07:50,764 喺小孟入中南海冇幾耐嗰陣,主席嘅精神仲可以,就係視力唔得,説説笑笑嘅時候比較多。 55 00:07:52,016 --> 00:07:54,663 有一日,主席同小孟話: 56 00:07:55,599 --> 00:08:02,625 孟夫子,稱呼你做孟夫子呢,真係有啲冤枉你咯。 57 00:08:04,121 --> 00:08:11,501 你同歷史上嘅孟夫子有相同之處,係一個祖宗。 58 00:08:12,215 --> 00:08:15,550 嗯佢姓孟,你亦係姓孟。 59 00:08:17,287 --> 00:08:28,539 不過嗰個孟夫子係個大學問家啊,你呢個小孟夫子,讀書甚少就愧對祖宗喇。 60 00:08:29,439 --> 00:08:36,047 應該爭一口氣,讀多啲書,讀入去,鑽出嚟。 61 00:08:36,997 --> 00:08:42,952 我都講過畀你聽嘞,喺我呢一度,係睇書任你睇到夠。 62 00:08:43,807 --> 00:08:48,262 我呢度嘅存書呀,就夠你有排睇㗎喇。 63 00:08:49,230 --> 00:08:54,015 你想睇咩嘢書,只要搵小周佢就會借畀你嘅。 64 00:08:55,004 --> 00:09:01,347 儘管主席嘅語氣十分和緩,近似於漫談,亦好似係開玩笑。 65 00:09:02,332 --> 00:09:07,253 但係小孟隱隱約約覺得,主席説話裏便嘅嗰種批評成分。 66 00:09:08,433 --> 00:09:14,847 不過佢唔覺得委屈,因為主席嘅態度係誠懇嘅,所講嘅情況呢亦都係真實㗎。 67 00:09:16,097 --> 00:09:24,419 佢畀主席嘅真誠同坦率深深噉打動嘞,佢第一次同主席認真噉談論起呢個問題。 68 00:09:24,984 --> 00:09:32,754 小孟話:主席,你亦都知道我水平㗎啦,讀下報紙、文件就可以。 69 00:09:33,462 --> 00:09:40,005 你嗰啲書我能夠睇得懂嘅有幾多本啊?睇唔懂嘅咁多,我點讀法啊? 70 00:09:41,194 --> 00:09:50,960 能夠睇得懂幾本就先睇幾本,呢幾本真係睇得懂咯,就會影響下幾本。 71 00:09:51,746 --> 00:10:03,121 至少係嚟咗興趣咯,有信心咯,有興趣就唔會覺得枯燥,有信心呢就唔覺得困難。 72 00:10:04,069 --> 00:10:12,439 真係睇唔懂,噉仲可以問嘛,學問,學問,就係又學又問。 73 00:10:13,141 --> 00:10:17,556 可以問下周圍嘅人,亦可以問我嘛。 74 00:10:18,642 --> 00:10:26,297 主席講完,攞起支筆喺一張便條上便寫咗兩個字:學問,順手攞畀小孟。 75 00:10:27,189 --> 00:10:31,769 主席話:你就係要邊學邊問。 76 00:10:32,778 --> 00:10:36,047 我年輕嘅時候,做過教員。 77 00:10:36,818 --> 00:10:43,073 而家老咯,但係教你噉樣嘅學生,噉仲係可以啩? 78 00:10:43,961 --> 00:10:48,266 如果將我都問起喇,説明我亦唔懂。 79 00:10:48,934 --> 00:10:53,877 噉我啊再去問嘛,問書、問人都可以。 80 00:10:54,841 --> 00:10:58,426 總之邊個會,邊個就係老師。 81 00:10:59,427 --> 00:11:01,942 噉我哋又變成咗同學咯。 82 00:11:02,876 --> 00:11:06,852 我係唔怕你問嘅,就係怕你唔問啫。 83 00:11:08,036 --> 00:11:16,841 小孟好高興噉話:我能夠向你請教,請你做我老師噉梗係好啦,就係怕你唔教我呢個笨學生啫。 84 00:11:17,829 --> 00:11:23,384 主席又笑喇,佢話:我就係願意教笨學生。 85 00:11:24,378 --> 00:11:28,049 你唔知道咋,我亦有好多老師㗎。 86 00:11:29,032 --> 00:11:33,784 章含之教我英語,係我嘅英文老師。 87 00:11:34,985 --> 00:11:39,539 蘆荻啊幫我講歷史,係我嘅歷史老師。 88 00:11:40,770 --> 00:11:43,921 我喺佢面前呀,亦好笨㗎。 89 00:11:44,262 --> 00:11:50,241 一句英語教我好幾次,我都記唔住,你話笨唔笨呢? 90 00:11:51,303 --> 00:11:56,377 不過章老師唔嫌我笨,越笨越教。 91 00:11:57,701 --> 00:12:02,932 自從呢次談話以後,小孟就有意識噉為自己定咗一條規矩: 92 00:12:03,872 --> 00:12:09,229 只要主席精神仲可以,佢就向主席,提一啲問題。 93 00:12:10,584 --> 00:12:17,884 佢仲噉樣想過:如果我提嘅問題,能夠將主席問到啞口無言,噉就有意思喇。 94 00:12:18,616 --> 00:12:21,032 嗰陣時呀,主席會點樣呢? 95 00:12:22,303 --> 00:12:26,133 但係可惜嘅係,噉樣嘅情況一次都冇出現過。 96 00:12:28,140 --> 00:12:36,391 有一日下午,主席同身邊嘅工作人員一齊睇電影,電影嘅名係紅與黑。 97 00:12:37,218 --> 00:12:42,752 睇完電影之後,大家不免對片中嘅情節同人物進行議論。 98 00:12:43,666 --> 00:12:47,204 客廳裏便,出現咗少有嘅熱烈氣氛。 99 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:54,080 主席呢陣時雖然冇顯出疲勞嘅神態,但係佢坐喺沙發上一言不發。 100 00:12:55,248 --> 00:12:59,012 唔知係聽大家講呢,定係諗緊第二樣事情嘞。 101 00:13:00,410 --> 00:13:07,279 過咗一陣間,大家都見到主席攞起一本書嚟睇,就好自覺噉離開咗咯。 102 00:13:08,236 --> 00:13:11,280 大廳裏便,又恢復返往時嘅寧靜。 103 00:13:13,231 --> 00:13:17,902 主席擔高頭睇咗一眼小孟,就放低本書話: 104 00:13:19,132 --> 00:13:25,061 孟夫子,對先頭齣電影,有何意見啊? 105 00:13:26,593 --> 00:13:32,053 主席並冇等小孟回答,或者佢根本就唔想小孟而家回答。 106 00:13:33,096 --> 00:13:40,767 佢跟住講咗一句小孟冇想到嘅説話:有何高見呢,今日可以不談。 107 00:13:41,892 --> 00:13:49,337 你去小周嗰度借一本紅與黑嘅書,睇佢一次,至少一次,然後再談啦。 108 00:13:50,307 --> 00:13:55,099 書裏便嘅嘢,有時係電影裏便冇法子表達嘅。 109 00:13:56,462 --> 00:14:07,682 你唔係睇過紅樓夢咩?仲可以再借一本紅樓夢,對照住嚟睇一次,噉樣,可能會更有意思。 110 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:19,473 小孟真係問小周借咗呢本書,認真噉睇咗一次,仲做咗讀書筆記,將自己嘅睇法、自己嘅疑問,都記喺個簿處。 111 00:14:21,333 --> 00:14:30,217 主席睇過紅樓夢就唔止一次嘞,並且能夠對全書,以及書中嘅各種人物作出佢嗰種獨特嘅評價。 112 00:14:31,699 --> 00:14:36,468 有啲評價猛聽起嚟,似乎係漫不經心噉講笑。 113 00:14:37,631 --> 00:14:42,314 但係你細心咀嚼起嚟,又不得不承認佢有佢嘅道理嘅。 114 00:14:43,657 --> 00:14:52,763 佢對王熙鳳嘅評價極之高,認為王熙鳳係做內務部長嘅材料,稱認佢有戰略頭腦。 115 00:14:53,740 --> 00:15:04,623 有一次佢舉個例講:王熙鳳處理尤二姐事件,真係有理、有力、有節啊。 116 00:15:06,010 --> 00:15:10,027 主席仲話王熙鳳善使兩把殺人不見血嘅飛刀。 117 00:15:11,184 --> 00:15:18,444 你睇,佢將賈瑞搞到死而無怨,至死不悟啊。 118 00:15:19,906 --> 00:15:24,507 就係以噉樣嘅標準,佢唔止一次評説過紅樓夢。 119 00:15:25,907 --> 00:15:36,212 令小孟認真驚異嘅係,主席雖然係八十幾歲嘅高齡,但係記憶力呢仲係非同尋常,有驚人嘅準確性。 120 00:15:37,178 --> 00:15:43,843 甚至仲能夠準確無誤噉,講出呢啲取自邊一張,邊一節,邊一頁。 121 00:15:44,861 --> 00:15:48,499 有時,將各家唔同嘅評説進行比較。 122 00:15:49,339 --> 00:15:52,536 可見佢對於呢部書嘅特殊喜愛同熟悉嘞。 123 00:15:54,264 --> 00:15:59,525 主席對紅與黑呢本書亦頗為喜愛,佢睇過好多次。 124 00:16:00,526 --> 00:16:05,911 西方嘅小説,紅與黑,可能係佢睇得最仔細嘅一部。 125 00:16:06,794 --> 00:16:09,905 佢曾經幾次建議別人睇呢部小説。 126 00:16:11,900 --> 00:16:14,872 呢一日,又輪到小孟值班嘞。 127 00:16:15,989 --> 00:16:18,102 嗰日係初夏嘅一個下午。 128 00:16:19,247 --> 00:16:27,667 由於主席嘅房間裏便,終年保持住二十三度恆温,屋裏便感覺唔到外便四季嘅變化。 129 00:16:28,757 --> 00:16:36,002 但係透過窗口,可以見到窗外嗰一片碧綠世界,仲係令人感覺到夏日嘅氣息。 130 00:16:36,783 --> 00:16:44,089 主席坐喺沙發上便,漫談式噉將紅樓夢同紅與黑相提並論,佢話: 131 00:16:45,302 --> 00:16:56,732 真係無巧不成書,兩部書名嘅第一個字都係紅字,可見東西方都有紅學㗎。 132 00:16:57,675 --> 00:17:01,724 孟夫子,點啊?兩本書都睇完啦嘛? 133 00:17:02,589 --> 00:17:03,659 小孟岌一岌頭。 134 00:17:05,265 --> 00:17:09,510 今日,我哋先談下西方嘅紅樓夢。 135 00:17:10,674 --> 00:17:18,323 你睇咗電影又睇咗書,而家有發言權喇,請先發表高見啦。 136 00:17:19,516 --> 00:17:25,828 小孟由於做咗認真嘅準備,就一、二、三、四噉滔滔不絕噉講嘞噃。 137 00:17:26,588 --> 00:17:36,237 主席知道小孟嘅習慣,佢講說話又快又急,所以主席只能夠靜一靜噉聽,並唔打斷佢。 138 00:17:37,083 --> 00:17:38,499 講到收尾小孟話: 139 00:17:39,478 --> 00:17:46,379 我睇嗰個于連呀,係個膽大包天,無事生非嘅壞蛋,一啲都唔值得同情嘅。 140 00:17:47,004 --> 00:17:50,182 佢不安於職守,仲想入非非添。 141 00:17:50,769 --> 00:17:54,654 佢勾引市長夫人,破壞別人嘅幸福家庭。 142 00:17:56,267 --> 00:18:02,549 見到小孟講完喇,主席先至慢慢噉,講咗佢同小孟嘅唔同睇法。 143 00:18:04,511 --> 00:18:10,440 你話于連膽大包天啊,我就唔係噉睇嘞。 144 00:18:11,497 --> 00:18:16,823 于連係有啲膽大,不過仲未大到包天。 145 00:18:17,781 --> 00:18:25,934 你睇佢吖,只係敢喺枱底摸夫人隻手,仲係夜晚冇人見嘅時候。 146 00:18:26,764 --> 00:18:30,454 呢啲膽量,唔叫得做包天。 147 00:18:31,437 --> 00:18:36,918 佢去夫人間房嘅時候,亦係好緊張㗎嘛。 148 00:18:37,898 --> 00:18:52,125 不過就係膽大包天咯,我睇亦唔係咩嘢壞事吖,男子漢,仲係應該有啲膽量㗎嘛,總係比膽小如鼠好啩? 149 00:18:53,180 --> 00:18:57,086 我睇嗰個夫人,係欣賞佢呢個膽量嘅。 150 00:18:57,990 --> 00:19:01,318 呢陣時,毛澤東侃侃而談。 151 00:19:01,967 --> 00:19:10,039 佢忘記咗自己係一國之首,忘記咗眼前呢個小同鄉嘅知識水平,忘記咗國情。 152 00:19:10,707 --> 00:19:13,415 佢無所顧忌噉講自己嘅觀點。 153 00:19:14,260 --> 00:19:19,629 小孟啊擘大雙眼,聽得好認真,又覺得新鮮而驚奇。 154 00:19:20,678 --> 00:19:25,730 小孟問:噉,你係講于連係個大好人咯噃? 155 00:19:27,374 --> 00:19:34,078 話于連係壞蛋,就要睇你企喺咩嘢立場上去睇嘞。 156 00:19:35,345 --> 00:19:39,441 角度唔同,結論亦唔會一樣。 157 00:19:40,585 --> 00:19:43,583 企喺呢便睇,係個壞蛋; 158 00:19:44,305 --> 00:19:48,973 企喺嗰便睇,或者又係個大大嘅好人。 159 00:19:50,493 --> 00:19:59,556 聽到主席呢個講法,小孟想起咗主席平日好少同意別人嘅睇法嘅,總係有標新立異之見。 160 00:20:00,090 --> 00:20:02,418 因此呢,亦唔覺得奇怪喇。