# Talk:Ascension run
Nonclassical games
Not everybody takes on Rodney last. For example, in a Maud-style speed run, it can be perfectly reasonable to do the book first, and only then get the other artifacts, candles, and vibrating square. INHO the ascension run is when you plan to depend only on items you are carrying, and don't do anything that isn't strictly required to win the game. --217.253.250.21 21:42, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Hence the section title "Rough phases".  And honestly, do we need to mention strategies that people who do sub-3000 turn ascensions use?  This wiki isn't for them.  You're not going to learn how to do a sub-3000 turn ascension from a wiki - you're going to learn it from asking the people who accomplish such feats in IRC, or watching ttyrecs. -Ion frigate 01:13, 28 June 2011 (UTC)