# Talk:Caveman
i don't think the role-specific article should be cluttered up with general advice:

dipping for excalibur doesn't need to be here, it's already mentioned under Lawful, and cavepeople don't start with longswords. overthinking excalibur isn't needed unless you start with or find a longsword. one might as well mention *all* of the decent artifact weapons, if one is going to mention excalibur on here.
the protection racket is primarily of interest to gnomes, dwarves, and characters that start with a lot of cash.
the racket is also a trap for noobs; they don't yet know the threat levels of assorted dangers in the dungeon, so they don't know when to retreat or use Elbereth.
--Testbutt (talk) 19:15, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
I disagree with Excalibur, it's mentioned on virtually every role that should use it, and some players might not realize how easy it is to unrestrict long sword. 
That being said, I don't agree with the dwarven and gnomish cavemen being encouraged to try the protection racket. They don't have any money and it would be better to level up to get more HP and minimize risk given how strong they are already.
--Luxidream (talk) 04:29, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Agreed. I find my Cavemen can run the PR if I find at least two food rations, raise my pet to full-grown, and find a container for credit cloning...but that is a lot. I'll qualify the entry.
--Thidwick (talk) 07:48, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
Since your strategy is not specific to cavemen, and only to dwarves and gnomes, I would mention the protection racket only as a potentially risky strategy and link to its page. The way it looks right now seems like cavemen specifically need these criteria in order to pull off the protection racket, which isn't the case, and the protection racket article already mentions credit cloning. --Luxidream (talk) 08:20, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes...maybe I should have mentioned that the Caveman is arguably the least well-suited role for attempting PR.--Thidwick (talk) 06:18, 28 December 2020 (UTC)