# Talk:Gremlin
I've been trying to determine through wiztesting whether it is possible to steal intrinsics while polyed into a gremlin, so far I haven't been having much luck.  Not ready to give up yet, but is there anyone else out there who has already tried it or is willing to give it a try? TychoIsDed 22:44, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Arg.  Had someone in #nethack tell me he was certain it didn't work, so, bleh.  Oh well, if anyone still wants to test it, that'd be cool too. :P  TychoIsDed 23:08, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Contents

1 nethack.alt.org server time zone?
2 Gremlins will also follow you up/down stairs
3 Hunger
4 Intrinsic / Extrinsic

nethack.alt.org server time zone?
It would be useful if someone was kind enough to provide information concerning the timezone in use on the nethack.alt.org server... I mean, it's nice to know that gremlins are most dangerous at night, but the crucial point is: when does the night actually happen on n.a.o.&nbsp;:)... - Blueshade 02:48, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Jump into the IRC channel (#nethack on Freenode) and use the !time command to have Rodney tell you the current server time. I believe it uses UTC. -- Killian 09:17, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Gremlins will also follow you up/down stairs
Gremlins will also follow you up/down stairs.

Hunger
Is it possible to remove the ring-hunger intrinsic from eating regen/hunger/conflict, and if so, can the other intrinsics be kept? --AileTheAlien 22:39, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

No, see Source:Ref/attrcurse. --Tjr 22:42, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Intrinsic / Extrinsic
There is a line on the page which says "If the player has that intrinsic from an external source, he loses it."  This is counter to source code which addresses loss of one or 11 intrinsics. If you have both the intrinsic and the extrinsic you would lose the intrinsic but keep the extrinsic.

I think what it means by "external source" is that you have the property intrinsically, but that you gained it from an external source - such as eating a corpse or ring, as a divine gift, etc - as opposed to having it naturally (by virtue of your race/role and xp level). -- Fyr (talk) 10:02, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
Maybe the explanation is that the code says "HExt" where we say "intrinsic". Actually, there are three different ways to obtain a property: 1) "natural instrinsics" due to race or role, 2) code-parlance-extrinsic "intrinsics" from eating corpses, 3) extrinsics due to jewelry. I'm not sure where polyself fits in.  The difference between 1 and 2 shows up e.g. in the fact that valkyries don't stumble on ice, but monks do even if have the XP levels to get cold resistance. --Tjr (talk) 23:21, 5 June 2013 (UTC)