# Talk:Orc (starting race)
When I play on alt.org I show up as an o... also should probably mention maybe the starting characteristics of an orc, like poison resistance, etc.

Because you have  showrace option turned on. --Paxed 22:23, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Maybe this page can be combined with Orc monster following the Elf model http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Elf

Monsters that are also Starting Races
I created this page (not logged in hence IP address). I did ask about the custom for these- and also meddled in the dwarf article which was handled differently. On amalgamation I could see confusion from a new player wanting to see what their orc character can do, and instead reading about the orc monsters.--PeterGFin 12:57, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

Summoning Demons
There should be some expanded discussion of the impact of summoning peaceful major demons.  I didn't know that Yeenoghu would follow me around and across levels.  Can I get him to fight things for me?
Yidda 16:07, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

In short, he'll only get in your way, never fight for you. Your best bet is to loose him someplace you will never go again, such as the top Sokoban level.
More info is available, but it is a bit hard to find: Altar#Sacrificing_creatures_of_own_race, Yeenoghu, Demon_lord#Unique_demons_and_summoning, Covetous. Personally, I almost never play orcs, so I've never poked my nose into this article. -Tjr 16:18, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

The major demons especially get in your way if you want to wield Stormbringer since it is very easy to bump into them. Read this wiki to find out how you can kill one of them armed only with a wand of digging and a rolled up newspaper.--PeterGFin 12:57, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

And either a unicorn horn or a prayer. -- Qazmlpok 23:18, February 16, 2010 (UTC)