# Talk:Izchak
Contents

1 Trivia
2 opinion of certain #nethack'ers
3 Technical enforcement?
4 3.6.0 changes

Trivia
Is it necessary to detail every use of Izchak's name in Nethack?  I think trivia such as official screenshots need not be documented. 69.11.189.85 23:59, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I think that there is plenty of room in this wiki for trivia (if it is on topic). We can always add more sections or make more articles. Is that not so? --Kernigh 01:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
opinion of certain #nethack'ers
The question came up in #nethack about whether it was actually poor form to steal from Izchak, and the consensus was that as it's his code that makes shk theft possible, it's not actually poor form or rude or whatever. Shrug. Just putting that out there --Derekstiles 01:43, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Half of #nethack's population weren't even born in 1994, probably. And I wouldn't personally take their advice on what is and is not rude; I've been there. Not that RGRN is any better, but... --192.193.245.16 08:25, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Indeed. Does inventing the baseball bat make it okay for you to be clocked upside the head with one? No, of course not. Come on, man. Izchak made a lot of things possible. Just give him the respect he deserves. I mean, stealing from him's like stealing from his memorial... statue. Thing. Shopkeeper. Whatever. Lame. --24.22.240.16 04:12, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
#nethack don't always come up with the best ideas. This is one of those times! --GreyKnight 09:55, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
If you're actually role playing a chaotic character then not only should you not be bound by etiquette, it would make perfect sense to desecrate any and all memorials for the joy of chaos. Lawful characters shouldn't steal from anyone, but I guess neutral characters should respect him for game balance.
In my opinion it would certainly be poor form to steal from him. Think about it, the dev team put him in the game in memoery of him. We can't just run along and steel from him. I do agree that there shouldn't be an ingame penalty though.- - DemonSlayerThe3 :: The Neutral Gnomish Wizard, with my kitten Ellinis! 22:29, September 14, 2010 (UTC)
Technical enforcement?
I think it might be a good idea to include information on whether there is any actual ramifications (outside the usual alignment ones) from stealing from/killing Izchak. How about trying to sacrifice his body? Any Izchak-specific code? Just a thought 194.197.164.130 12:02, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

There isn't any code enforcing this rule. It's purely an etiquette consideration. --GreyKnight 08:35, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, not your player, no. But you will get eaten by a grue if you do. Bad karma. Feagradze 22:48, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
3.6.0 changes
3.6.0 adds some extra dialogue to Izchak if you try to sell him the candellabrum before performing the invocation. "No thanks, I'd hang onto that if I were you.", plus if it doesn't have enough candles, "You'll need {num} (more) candle(s) to go along with it.", where num is 7 minus the current number of attached candles. 
Non-Izchak candlestore shopkeepers will simply say "I won't stock that.  Take it out of here!", but I'm pretty sure those don't exist in vanilla. -- Qazmlpok (talk) 01:33, 12 December 2015 (UTC)