# Talk:Orc (monster class)
Goblins and hobgoblins may not be called orcs, but for all intents and purposes (particularly, sacrificing at altars or Sting and Orcrist), they are, so I think the article should reflect that, if nobody objects.

The RNG must be Chaotic
(wizard, human, neutral, XP8-9, AC7)
While trying to flee Sokoban across its bottom-most floor, I was accosted and cornered by a squad of (normal) orcs.  My pet warhorse and I mowed them down with only minor damage taken but the another troop, Hill orcs this time, spawned just as we finished.  One of them, in the back, had a Wand of create monster which brought even worse things and I was unable to keep any of those orcs from using up its charges.  My warhorse died and I just barely survived.  I took a turn or two to lick my wounds, partially helped by having gained a level during combat, and without fail a third squad of Uruk-hai spawned right on top of me, blocking me from escape again.  And completing the slaughter.  --FJH 03:22, 25 December 2010 (UTC) (Merry Christmas)