# Talk:Libera
Redirecting irc.freenode.net. --Kernigh 04:13, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

nethack.de
I've been idling in nethack.de since November 2010, and I've seen a lot of chat, but next to nothing about NetHack. Should this channel really be listed here? --Tjr 13:11, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

It is officially about NetHack, but it tends to go offtopic quite a lot. (Several Freenode channels are like that.) It also gets notifications about changes to nethack-de (the unofficial German language port of NetHack), and is the "official channel" in a sense for the public server nethack.eu (with deaths, etc., reported, and where comments are left for the server admin.) So I suppose it's up to you as to whether it's relevant or not; it's one of those IRC communities defined by a common interest. Ais523 13:13, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Those bot announcements are the only NetHack content I've encountered. In fact, talking about NetHack can get you kick-banned because you're supposed to rot13-encrypt anything that could remotely resemble a spoiler. Needless to say, I've never seen anybody rot13 anything except test postings. (There isn't even a rot13 plugin for any popular OS X IRC client.)
Fellow players, please voice your opinions. I am annoyed at #nethack.de rot13 policy, so I don't want to decide things. --Tjr 13:25, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Hmm, I'm actually interested now, so I decided to check my logs of #nethack.de (which update only when I'm online, and so are rather incomplete; the first result here was on 27 October 2009)
$ grep rot13 *logs/freenode_#nethack.de.log | grep -v ChanServ | wc -l
245

Looking at the content, surprisingly not all seem to be NetHack-related, but definitely more than half are, probably around 90%. Also, "anything that could remotely resemble a spoiler" isn't really policed; I'm one of the strictest about that, but most people are willing to have minor spoilers in plaintext. (For what it's worth, 45 of those lines were since Abirzore 2010, when you claim you started watching; two of them were by you, complaining about your client's lack of support for rot13.)
The channel also seems to discuss NetHack less than it used to, although there have certainly been discussions on the subject (the most recent about nethack.eu was on January 27 and you were involved; about NetHack itself, earlier on the same day, commenting about a death of Gandelf's). I'm not sure if it's really active enough with NetHack-related talk to be included on the list, but that certainly is the channel's topic. (It definitely isn't a spoiler-heavy tactics-heavy channel like #nethack is; more of a sort of place where NetHack players socialise.) Ais523 13:43, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
They do discuss servers and development, but not gameplay. Case in point, the January 27 mention (which wasn't even in German).
Picking days at random, I count 14% NetHack discussion. My log file for January 20th contains 16 lines (excluding bots), 14 of them about Crawl, 0 about NetHack. January 22th: 22 lines, 0 Crawl, 0 Nethack. January 25th: 33 lines, 0 Crawl, 10 Nethack, 1 of which about something in-game. (The last day shouldn't really count because I was toying with Unrodney.)
Finally, "rot13 isn't enforced" is a bad argument: Newcomers aren't encouraged to test out the limits of the rules. I'm not even sure if it really isn't enforced - there was always somebody quick to point out rot13 whenever I mentioned something that could lead to spoiler-ish discussion. --Tjr 14:29, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
Freenet, etc
Another source of information: https://gist.github.com/shadowcat-mst/998cea12794768bdb3da2daeff31baad (credit goes to https://kline.sh/ for the link). What's the story on "forcibly taking over the #NetHack channel"? Blocking discussion of moving, or what? -Actual-nh (talk) 20:19, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Last night, freenode bots entered most of the NetHack channels listed here (the going theory is that it targeted anything with "libera" in the channel topic), de-opped the operators, unregistered the channel, posted a message saying "this is in violation of freenode policies", changed the topic to same, and switched the channel into a redirect to its double-## "informal" version. I lost #xnethack this way; #NetHack was the biggest casualty of it but most of the NetHack related channels got hit such as #hardfought and #tnnt. So yes, according to a new freenode channel policy revealed after the purge, discussion of moving to Libera ("advertising other sites") gets you hit with this. --Phol ende wodan (talk) 20:31, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
Sigh... changed page to match. (https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/10308021/filing-history says that the company in question is in trouble for failing to file accounts, BTW, which I'm not surprised at.) -Actual-nh (talk) 20:42, 26 May 2021 (UTC)