I bought these to replace a box I purchased years ago at an office supply store for use in my workshop. Because I can't find a good electric pencil sharpener that cuts a 30 degree point (most cut a much longer 23 degree point), I found using each short pencil until it wasn't sharp enough anymore to be both cost and time effective.I purchased this box of pencils expecting them to be like my old box. Not so. These pencils are all poorly sharpened. The tips are so dull that they aren't usable for marking woodworking dimensions.