I went out of my way to pay more for these thinking I'd get a better product. My gloves were shipped in a plastic sleeve in a cardboard envelope. The envelope got soaked en route and was quite damp and flexible like wet cardboard is when it was delivered. So the gloves got wet too. The plastic sleeve they were in was open on one end so it was no protection. The gloves must have been wet for days because they had a strong mildew smell when they arrived. I emailed the seller; asking how they recommend to get the smell out and THEY NEVER RESPONDED. The gloves still smell of mildew too. I guess that will never come out. So much for spending $90. I would never buy from this seller again.Had they not been wet and smelly, they'd only be marginally better. The leather is nice but the stitching is weak on the left glove and pulling when I put them on. Also, there isn't as much fur in the fingers as I expected for the price. In short, not recommended.