This album took a little getting used to quite honestly. They dont really sound like any band i know of (even if they have been compared to slipknot which i think is very much not true). They are definitely industrial just to get that straight. It was only after listening to the album about 4 times that i actually started to like. And once you start to like it you get a little obssessive about it. Songs like Just so you know, Fall and especially Effigy 23 which seems to stick in your mind are really great tracks with lots of industrial sounds. The sirens always fool me (silly me), gets me to look out of the window heh heh heh. I gave it a four basically b/c there are a few tracks that could be better and i am grading on a curve based on rammstein.