I really like the fit of these Wranglers. Used to wear Levis but they have severely changed the way they fit. I don't like what Levis did to their 505 jeans by making them lowrise and they also made the material much lighter weight than they used to be. So it was a relief to try these Wranglers and find that the material is heavy weight and they have a normal rise. The problem I'm having though is they develop a very hard unusual random and apparently permanent crease in them. They will also start to rapidly fade along this crease and they look and fit terrible once this happens. I have been returning them because this shouldn't be happening.