i usually get the kushies liners and thought they were a little rough. i read the reviews on these and thought they sounded good. we HATE them! they are too thin, they bunch up so it doesn't really catch all of the poo. they get so beat up after using them that we never even tried to wash them in order to reuse them.the fit is weird too. they are too wide and too short. just ordered more of the kushies. very disappointed!