These pants are super thin,I doubt they could have made them any thinner,they are made in Pakistan and it shows.Do not confuse these with sweat pants or lounge pants,they are much thinner than that and certainly not worth $20 a pair.Russell used to sell a good product but their out sourcing leaves us with an inferior product,buy a different brand and save yourself a lot of disappointment. JUNK !!! Update--returned these pants to seller but never heard from them,no refund ,no nothing.Amazon is not standing by their sellers and have offered no help at all,so don't believe Amazon when they tell you they will refund money if seller doesn't do the right thing.