they were soooo good, I went for an identical pair, but they quality has dropped a LOT, it is hard to show in words, these are thinner, awfully stitched, fingers are not cushioned like previous which was a big plus for me, since fingers are not cushioned, the thin leather in the fingers folds and wrinkles and is uncomfortable when grabbing the bar, they feel flimsy... totally dissapointed with the second pair...