Ok. i know its called "for dummies".... and i dint really consider myself one, until i dropped $29.99, but, i looked at the first few chapters, and it look OK.... I thought id get much more "Windows programming" out of iti got a bit tired of :"see me feel me touch me print me...""smooth operator""holy debugger batman, it works... etc...A bit to bubble-gummy for me AND, as was mentioned before:What About Windows ???? ... id didn't buy it Strickly for c++, it said "VISUAL c++"... maybe if it had been called "Visual c++ console apps", (which is what it is) i would have (should have), left it on the shelf.. maybe its my fault... i guess when i think visual c++, i think sdi, and mdi classes...OH... maybe i am a dummy, after allI was NOT amused, nor very happy...