as I now am shopping for replacements to these pans, I thought I might return the favor of some insight to all of those people who graciously provide it to me. I really liked these pans for a while. I am very careful not to scratch the coating with anything, but the coating still gave way after about 6 months. and no, they started to peel without putting them in the dishwasher. maybe i got them too hot. truthfully i have no idea. they are nicely weighted with good handles and do a pretty great job as far as i was concerned. it really stinks to have to throw them away. if i could just find something similar, without the same issue!