We bought these hooks because they look a thousand times better than the plastic ones. At first we only had a clear liner for our shower curtain because ours had not come in yet. They were a pain with only that liner on. Everytime you moved the curtain four or more would come flying off and even though they are very easy to put back on it was very annoying. We just recieved our new shower curtain and added that to the liner and now they are great. With an actualy shower curtain and liner it holds them down and they haven't fallen off yet and they look terrific I would recommond them to anyone.