ok i bought this cd because of 2 things i heard "ordinary" and it was produced by kris roe (ataris) so i thought i may aswell give it a go.Unfortunately it didnt live up to expectations, im not disputing these guys talent at all, they can definately play their instruments but unfortunately it really lacks one thing, a decent vocalist. lots of songs you just find the lyrics soft and with no attitude some where in the background, which his rather lame for a punk band trying to get a story or message across. i say if you dont own any ataris cds yet go buy "end is forever" or "blue skies broken hearts next 12 exits" before this.