First Of All i have to adress this sorry ass momma's boy. You want to sit on the computer and act as if you have some kind of understanding in ANY kind of music. You bashed this band up one side and down the other and talked about how much they suck and whine. Obiviously they didnt suck and whine too damn bad since you took your ass out and bought the cd.I swear stupid people amuse meIf you like metal music or any kind of good music what so ever pick this one up.