The shoes seems to be well put together for having never been worn, because the fit is horrible! Why I thought buying shoes without trying them on fist [knowing my size and wearing Florsheims] is a mystery I will have to self-solve. These are made in Korea [stamped right under the flap] on both pairs and the width is as wrong as the makers mark.Stay away from these no matter what the price. I took them to two shoe makers to have them stretched and they said if they tried, the seems would rip apart and the leather would crack. Not a comforting thought since wearing them should naturally stretch them anyway.